Sense vs. De-sensed (non aosp) - Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'm sure this topic has been covered before but I'm not sure I have found my answer;
Is there any advantage to using a de-sensed Rom with a launcher such as Launcher Pro or Go over using a Sense Rom AND an alternate launcher.
Is there a speed or memory management or battery advantage?
I ask this because I like the work of the devs here but would like to use an alternate launcher with their existing framework. Thanks.
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I think the battery saving come from using a better kernel and not necessarily the launcher.
Otherwise, i think its just a matter of preference what you use. If I am wrong please correct me.

Hi
Just bringing up an old thread... I also wanted to know the same thing.
Does having Sense mean you can have FriendStream / HTCSense.com accoutn on you phone...
In other words, if you use a non Sense ROM, you cannot l=use the locate phoen feature of HTCSense ?
Plus, any other advantages/disadvantages.
What are some popular Sense / nonSense ROM's ?
Ta

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[Q] Looking for a ROM that can do the following...is there such a thing?

Hi All
Been a regular reader but just joined now.
Anyway I've been trying a few custom ROMs out on my rooted HTC Hero (GSM)... many have some very good things, but many of the 2.2 ones don't have some of the features or apps I loved from 2.1, especially some of the HTC sense, or some of the apps.
So, I was wondering if anyone can recommend a custom ROM that can do/has the following:
- Based on Froyo 2.2 (want to try out the supposed performance improvements, new UI, later version of flash, etc)
- Needs the Apps2SD functionality (I believe all 2.2 based Roms have it)
- I really like the HTC flip clock/weather widget, with the animated weather as in 2.1..but haven't seen it in 2.2. Is it not available anymore? Anyway it could manually still be added?
- The 2.1 weather app.. where you can add multiple locations. 2.2 only seems to have weather/news which I dont like as much.... the option to see weather in different locations just by scrolling down was great. No other options in the market seem to do this as well, either
- In fact - most of the original HTC widgets available of on the Hero I would still like
- The 'Stocks' app found in earlier versions is missing in 2.2. I really like this app, as it's the only one I have ever found that you can add many quotes, and will work well with non-US countries (like Australia/NZ sharemarkets for example). But, it's not in found in the market and doesn't seem to be featured in 2.2?
- I also liked the way that when looking at 'people', it would summarise 'events' like birthdays and give me a taskbar notification. The 2.2 Roms I have tried so far, don't seem to have this same function anywhere..is it still available?
- I also liked the previous 'my contact card' where I could store my own details. I cant see this in 2.2 either is nit now gone? Would still love that.
Anyway, maybe I'm asking too much, but is there any custom ROM anyone can recommend, that is based on 2.2 but still has those 'good' bits from 2.1 or earlier?
Or, is there anyway I can add them myself??
I have checked out this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=889299
and others, but so far haven't found anything that quite has the above...
For the Flip Clock, you can search for Fancy Widget. In the current version, the autohor redesigned ist, but with you can find the older version here on the forum -and it looked exactly like the Sense flip clock! (what also explains, why that version was removed from the market by htc) As a bonus, I find it less laggy than the original one -therefore, it replaced HTC's flip clock on my homescreen
For the rest, I think, you need a ROM with Sense, as Sense Widget don't work on non-sense Roms...
I use fancy widget as well, glad I saved the .apk file
as for the sense like widgets you are better of doing a market search you might find some similiar to them.
or just go install the custom sense froyo roms although the camera or some hardware aint working on them
Thanks, I found the older fancy widget apk so I will give that a try.
I guess I'm asking too much for a custom ROM based on 2.2, with all the HTC Sense stuff still working... will have to comprise somewhere.
I really wanna give 2.2 a decent try but a lot of the stuff I liked from 2.1 isn't there anymore in the ROM's I've seen.
Anyway thanks for the replies!
Chikara71 said:
Thanks, I found the older fancy widget apk so I will give that a try.
I guess I'm asking too much for a custom ROM based on 2.2, with all the HTC Sense stuff still working... will have to comprise somewhere.
I really wanna give 2.2 a decent try but a lot of the stuff I liked from 2.1 isn't there anymore in the ROM's I've seen.
Anyway thanks for the replies!
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the fact is mate you want HTC Sense on 2.2 (or sounds like that), which isn't a 100% stable port on the Hero (GSM) so you can have 2.2 working perfectly and use 3rd party apps like everyone else to get the same effect, or you can use a buggy 2.2 port of HTC sense, and live with it until someone makes a good port.
Yeah I wasn't too sure what ROM's were available and what they all could or could not do, hence asking for recommendations.
Anyway I'm trying out a number of differnet ones until I find the best one for me.
Think you're right though, 2.2 with Sense isn't really available/stable yet so I think a non-sense 2.2 with addons is the way to go at this stage.
Cheers
Hi,
I trye different ROM and i think a non-sense 2.2 whith an other launcher (like LauncherPro) is better than Sense...
The ROM TastyFroyo is the faster ROM but the screen resolution is not compatible with BeautifulWidget. (2.2 non-sense)
And the FroyedVillain is awesome too and full stable! (2.2 non-sense)
The ChocolateFroyo is a 2.2 with sense but i dut test it...
You have the rom in 2.3 too!!!
Elinux ROM and TastyGinger are great but still in beta...

Comm rom 2.0 tw launcher

I was wondering if you can run a tw launcher on the new comm rom call me weird but I like it better than the one in comm rom
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I don't see why not... If you're just wanting the look I know Go Launcher Ex from the market has a touchwiz theme that looks pretty accurate and neat.
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Well I remember in the thread the said flashing it left some issues im using ef for now though comm rom and ota did this funky thing with my cantact pics where they flashed and went crazy
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hmm well a reflash and/or data wipe seems to fix a lot of bugs like that that I have with any rom im using... however I think one of the main reasons custom roms are made is to get rid of or modify stock touchwiz and the launcher. It might take a little extra work to get a touchwiz launcher to work with E.F. or ComRom, which I unfortunately can't help with. A theme seems like a suitable substitute that won't cause as many problems, so that's my recommendation
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Supposedly FunkBot's TW 4.0 launcher has been updated to work with Comm Rom 2.0 (check his thread in Themes & Apps), but I've been having lots of crashes with it, particularly when trying to use my docks. If anyone has a link to a TW 3.0 launcher that works with Comm Rom, I'd love to hear about it; I like the debloat in Comm Rom, but the TouchWiz launcher design has grown on me quite a bit relative to the alternatives.

[Q] What does it look like without Touchwiz?

Long story short, about a year ago i got a Motorola Bravo (Android) phone for a few weeks but returned it because I couldn't really afford a data plan at the time. About a month ago I switched back to smartphones, this time for good, and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII.
The motorola phone had some AWESOME user-friendly features, such as resizing of widgets. Is this taken out because of Touchwiz or was that an older version of Android that's now obsolete? What all does Touchwiz take away functionality-wise? What does Gingerbread (2.3.6 to be specific) look like without Touchwiz?
I've yet to root my phone (the only reason I'd have right now is more battery life) but if I could reove Touchwiz and get some serious UI improvements, that'd definitely be a gamechanger for me
Motorola has Moto blur I think
HTC has sense
Samsung has TouchWiz
The clean Androind would be an AOSP based rom, like CM9/AOKP
I don't know if you understand me, I think I'm drunk or something right know can't remember
Oh
Galaxy Nexus is like what it looks witout the Touchwiz.
ScelestusAnimus said:
Long story short, about a year ago i got a Motorola Bravo (Android) phone for a few weeks but returned it because I couldn't really afford a data plan at the time. About a month ago I switched back to smartphones, this time for good, and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII.
The motorola phone had some AWESOME user-friendly features, such as resizing of widgets. Is this taken out because of Touchwiz or was that an older version of Android that's now obsolete? What all does Touchwiz take away functionality-wise? What does Gingerbread (2.3.6 to be specific) look like without Touchwiz?
I've yet to root my phone (the only reason I'd have right now is more battery life) but if I could reove Touchwiz and get some serious UI improvements, that'd definitely be a gamechanger for me
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Make sure to go the MIUI route if you're on GB or go the AOKP route if you're on ICS. Those are good starting points if you want to see some nice UI improvements. If you decide to go AOKP make sure to mess around in ROM control.
AOSP stock apps on ICS (AOKP/CM9) are much nicer than touchwizz/samsung ics apps.
UI Ranking
#1 AOSP (AOKP,CM9) and MIUI [all ICS based]
#2 MIUI GB , Sensation ROM GB (Samsung based rom), AOSP GB (CM7) (LunarUI theme)
#3 Stock Samsung ROM or Stock CM7 [both GB based]
Recommend Choice is AOKP http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574718
Just make sure you know what you're doing when you flash
You just need a different launcher. Try go launcher.
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Biporch said:
Motorola has Moto blur I think
HTC has sense
Samsung has TouchWiz
The clean Androind would be an AOSP based rom, like CM9/AOKP
I don't know if you understand me, I think I'm drunk or something right know can't remember
Oh
Galaxy Nexus is like what it looks witout the Touchwiz.
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Oh yeah! Now that you mention it, i remember reading about Motoblur.
Cryosx said:
Make sure to go the MIUI route if you're on GB or go the AOKP route if you're on ICS. Those are good starting points if you want to see some nice UI improvements. If you decide to go AOKP make sure to mess around in ROM control.
AOSP stock apps on ICS (AOKP/CM9) are much nicer than touchwizz/samsung ics apps.
UI Ranking
#1 AOSP (AOKP,CM9) and MIUI [all ICS based]
#2 MIUI GB , Sensation ROM GB (Samsung based rom), AOSP GB (CM7) (LunarUI theme)
#3 Stock Samsung ROM or Stock CM7 [both GB based]
Recommend Choice is AOKP http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574718
Just make sure you know what you're doing when you flash
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Are these custom Roms or just the normal Android OS without the company's additions to it? I have gingerbread atm (I'd rather wait for ICS until the official release from AT&T)
hobbs said:
You just need a different launcher. Try go launcher.
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I tried Go launcher. I didn't like how it was basically an OS on top of the normal OS. They both were running at the same time and I had to rearrange my apps to make them the same as they were. I just want the Android OS without the stupid additions/subtractions from Samsung/Motorola/etc >.<
However I have to say, I do like how Go Launcher doesn't require rooting
ScelestusAnimus said:
I tried Go launcher. I didn't like how it was basically an OS on top of the normal OS. They both were running at the same time and I had to rearrange my apps to make them the same as they were. I just want the Android OS without the stupid additions/subtractions from Samsung/Motorola/etc >.<
However I have to say, I do like how Go Launcher doesn't require rooting
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You do realize, right, that Touchwiz is a launcher too? And even vanilla Android builds use a launcher? When you use Go Launcher, it's not running "on top of" what's already there; it's replacing Touchwiz.
I'm sorry, but you can't have vanilla Android OS without installing it in the form of a custom ROM. Samsung makes their own builds of Android, which is what you have. If you want something else, somebody else has to build it...meaning the developers on this forum.
mattdm said:
You do realize, right, that Touchwiz is a launcher too? And even vanilla Android builds use a launcher? When you use Go Launcher, it's not running "on top of" what's already there; it's replacing Touchwiz.
I'm sorry, but you can't have vanilla Android OS without installing it in the form of a custom ROM. Samsung makes their own builds of Android, which is what you have. If you want something else, somebody else has to build it...meaning the developers on this forum.
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Maybe it just felt like that because I could cancel it at any time and go back and forth between normal touchwiz and Go launcher. I know this is a versatility feature, but I'd rather have that disabled, as crazy as it may sound.
But that's good to know. I didn't know a launcher was REQUIRED, just thought it was what most people did. I'll look into other launchers.
Is there still one where you can resize the UI elements and stuff like that?
ScelestusAnimus said:
Maybe it just felt like that because I could cancel it at any time and go back and forth between normal touchwiz and Go launcher. I know this is a versatility feature, but I'd rather have that disabled, as crazy as it may sound.
But that's good to know. I didn't know a launcher was REQUIRED, just thought it was what most people did. I'll look into other launchers.
Is there still one where you can resize the UI elements and stuff like that?
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As mattdm said, all Android builds require a launcher. Otherwise you'd have no usable GUI. When you were switching back and forth between GO and TouchWiz were you using a home/launcher switcher, or were you just using the default ui to choose one each time you went to your home screen?
You can have several launchers installed and use a switcher to make one "stick" until you decide you want a different look/feel.
Some prefer GO or LauncherPro. I use ADW EX and TouchWiz. ADW and LauncherPro are very configurable. VERY. Both have their ardent fans. I've not used GO.
PS: You do NOT want the ability to change launchers disabled. ;-)
ScelestusAnimus said:
Maybe it just felt like that because I could cancel it at any time and go back and forth between normal touchwiz and Go launcher. I know this is a versatility feature, but I'd rather have that disabled, as crazy as it may sound.
But that's good to know. I didn't know a launcher was REQUIRED, just thought it was what most people did. I'll look into other launchers.
Is there still one where you can resize the UI elements and stuff like that?
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Uhh... touchwiz lets you resize certain widgets... (UI elements) pretty sure go launcher and adw ex do too...
Biporch said:
The clean Androind would be an AOSP based rom, like CM9/AOKP
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CM9 uses the Trebuchet launcher. as it has been hammered multiple times, all roms use some sort of launcher. I'm not sure what AOKP uses, but I'd wager its either Trebuchet, nova, or apex..
0p3nsrc said:
CM9 uses the Trebuchet launcher. as it has been hammered multiple times, all roms use some sort of launcher. I'm not sure what AOKP uses, but I'd wager its either Trebuchet, nova, or apex..
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I believe it comes with both apex and nova. They are fairly similar but each have a few unique features.
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0p3nsrc said:
CM9 uses the Trebuchet launcher. as it has been hammered multiple times, all roms use some sort of launcher. I'm not sure what AOKP uses, but I'd wager its either Trebuchet, nova, or apex..
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Tasks came with trebuchet. I switched to nova and I'm fairly sure that apex came on it too.
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ScelestusAnimus said:
Long story short, about a year ago i got a Motorola Bravo (Android) phone for a few weeks but returned it because I couldn't really afford a data plan at the time. About a month ago I switched back to smartphones, this time for good, and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII.
The motorola phone had some AWESOME user-friendly features, such as resizing of widgets. Is this taken out because of Touchwiz or was that an older version of Android that's now obsolete? What all does Touchwiz take away functionality-wise? What does Gingerbread (2.3.6 to be specific) look like without Touchwiz?
I've yet to root my phone (the only reason I'd have right now is more battery life) but if I could reove Touchwiz and get some serious UI improvements, that'd definitely be a gamechanger for me
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First off, Welcome to Samsung!
A little background.
AOSP = Android Open Source Program. Meaning, a open source of code editable by anyone.
Touchwiz/Motoblur/Sense = Not AOSP, they were written as a launcher/GUI for each phone by their developer (Motorola/Samsung/HTC). On top of that, these GUI/Overlays have their fingers into everything on a phone, this is why updates take so long. Google creates a new version of Android and passes it to the phone manufacturer, they in turn need to take that new version and paste their GUI/Overlay on top of it, this takes time and money. Further, once the phone manufacturer finishes updating, they need to give the software to the vendor (VZW/AT&T etc) who add more bloat/custom crap to the software.
Custom ROM's, are and are not AOSP, Some are pure AOSP like AOKP or CM (Cyanogenmod), they are written by groups of people, all of whom work in concert to bring you the ROM. Then there are custom ROM's that are not in the realm of AOSP. For example, I use Phone Bricker, written by LilChris here on XDA. This ROM is not really Open Source as it's written by one person, the author may give out the source, I don't know.
So what would your phone look like w/o Touchwiz? CM9/AOKP is as close as you'll get. Those ROMs use the closest to stock version of Android.
To confuse matters even more, there are Launchers, Go Launcher/Apex etc. They operate as yet another GUI on top of a GUI, inside a ROM. So you could have a stock, unrooted Galaxy S2, with Touchwiz and Go Launcher, and customize it to make it look like you want it too. Or, you could root your phone, Update to CM9 (running Ice Cream Sandwich btw), and use the launcher that they have there, or change that to Go Launcher.
The options are endless, read read read. I am new to Samsung, I came from Motorola where things are done quite a bit differently. I can tell you this though, you are infinitely better off with a Samsung phone than a Motorola Phone. Not only does Motoblur blow chunks, but Motorola is a terrible company as far as software updates go. Toss in locked bootloaders... anyway, I hope the above answered your question.
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[Q] Can you help me find or build a ROM?

I had an Incredible for almost 3 years and I loved the setup I had on it. I switched back forth between "Sense-less" (or de-sensed for Rezound users) and AOSP depending on what mood I was in. I was rooted and S-OFF.
I have been browsing through the forums, flashing various ROM, and trying desperately to catch up on all the in's and out's of our beloved phone. I really had my heart set on running CM10 once I got my Rezound, but unfortunately, bluetooth doesn't work on AOSP ROMs and that's a deal breaker. So, I've been shopping de-sensed ROMs and I can't find one that I really like 100%.
Why do I want de-sensed? I use third-party launchers because of the customization and ability to have multiple docks. Therefore, most of the Sense widgets are not needed on my phone.
The features that I am looking for:
- Based of the latest Global RUU, all VZW crap removed
- De-sensed to a degree where nothing becomes "broken" (I want everything to work. Sense camera is a must! Friendstream would be nice for Facebook contact pics.)
- AOSP lockscreen with Caller ID and Music Controls.
- No Volume screen wake.
- Long-press volume to skip songs would be nice.
I think that's it. I'll add some later if I can think of some, but these are the most important to me really. I have tried several ROMs and read the threads on most of the other candidates and I can't find one that really suits me.
If no one can point me in the direction of such a ROM, I have decided to develop my own. I have little Linux/Android experience. I am still S-ON so I have become comfortable with adb. I have a very basic understanding of how ROMs and kernel interact to make our phone work. I have some experience with C++ and VB. All I really need is some guidance.
Can I just re-flash the Global RUU and then de-Sense and de-bloat my phone by removing apks through adb? Then, if I can find Sense-compatible .zips that give me the volume controls I need, they should work right? Is that the same for compatible themes?
What gets broken when you remove Rosie? I can leave Rosie alone if it breaks the camera and such. I can just remove the unnecessary Sense widgets instead.
Is it possible to have the same lockscreen from CM10 on a de-Sensed ROM and have it fully-functional?
I have been thinking about this for a while and I have a ton of questions. If anyone is willing to help in anyway, please let me know. I love the phone, but I am dying for a ROM that really suits my needs.
Look up Adrenaline by Neo. There is a link near the end of the comments
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I don't think Adrenaline is based off of the newest RUU yet. I also don't want the 5-pt lockscreen if I can't customize it easily. Is there a way to put the regular lockscreen back?
Neo has some pretty sick ROMs. I was running his CM9 until i found out that bluetooth calls don't work.
blazin_phattys said:
I don't think Adrenaline is based off of the newest RUU yet. I also don't want the 5-pt lockscreen if I can't customize it easily. Is there a way to put the regular lockscreen back?
Neo has some pretty sick ROMs. I was running his CM9 until i found out that bluetooth calls don't work.
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Ahh, sorry. I didn't notice the note about global. Ineffabilis is based off of global, has a desense option while flashing, and has an option for AOSP lock screen. I've heard good things about it, but haven't run it myself.
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I run Ineff Deus v1.2 (global) de-sensed as my daily driver. I use a combination of Nova Prime and WidgetLocker. I believe the AOSP lockscreen is set up the way you're looking for. I know there's an option to bypass the lockscreen for incoming calls. There are a ton of options thru the Aroma installer and more in the MikTweaks menu to customize your setup.
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Neomax by Neo is pretty close to what you described, themed to look like AOSP, has Sense camera but rest stripped.
It hasn't been updated to be based on global, but you can still run neomax on top of global firmware and benefit from radio improvements. I ran Neomax for two months before switching to CM9 RAGE... CM 10 is still in alpha mode and may be a while in getting to usable state on Rezound.
The good news is that apps like Nova Launcher, SwiftKey and the XDA Google Now for ICS port give you early access to Jellybean features.
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lock screen work modding and ROM suggestions

Hi, just recently switched over to android after being an iphone user since 2007. So bare with me as I am learning the lingo and software. The hardware of the HTC one made me cheat. So here I am.
So.... This has been a very different experience from jailbreaks on iphone. So as of now I cannot really get the lock screen the way I'd like. The sense lock screen is not customizable like the stock android lock screen. And I have tried apps such as widget locker and then tried adding things on such as dash clock but things aren't smooth and some apps just don't work well together. Not all the functionality of dash clock will work within widget locker. And widget locker will show the default lock screen whenever I get a phone call....kind of defeats the purpose of having the app in the first place....
I tried the Cyanogen 10.1 rom but found I missed certain aspects of sense 5.... I like blink feed and the way the phone from sense is integrated. Android's stock phone app is bland and not that well integrated and intuitive IMO... Also the beats audio and zoe and camera features that made the camera and speakers great was missing... lets just say those tweaks make a huge difference in camera quality and audio quality that I could not replace with any apps.
So right now I'm currently rooted on Trickdroid version 7.5.0 with JB 4.2.2 and sense 5 on my htc one from AT&T. I flashed the tweaks package that came with the rom and installed the asop JB lock screen hoping I could add widgets to it and customize it the way I want. Unfortunately It won't let me do that with the ASOP lock screen either....I'm not sure why they added it with the rom if it doesn't do what it's supposed to? The tweak package itself is also having a weird bug that causes the status bar to have two clocks.
Anyhow I guess my question is..... is there a better way of customizing my lock screen or is there another rom that would suite my needs? And how would one go about uninstalling a particular tweak package?
Thank you in advance
No one?
I'd like to report the bug to the developers but I haven't posted up enough replies.
Any suggestions on a better rom? One with stock android but still retains the betas audio and htc camera tweaks?
You're gonna have to wait until the GE one drops for the stock with beats and camera. As for the lockscreen, you're not getting much mod wise. Also you can't just delete a tweak you flashed, you have to restore a nandroid you (should have) made in recovery.
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The best piece of advice anyone on this (or any other) forum can possibly give you:
If you're going to be toying with the phone in the manner in which we do here, please please please make a nandroid backup. I'm asking for your own sake and ours. It's the best way to revert to a previous state your phone was in if you have any troubles.
Uribam said:
The best piece of advice anyone on this (or any other) forum can possibly give you:
If you're going to be toying with the phone in the manner in which we do here, please please please make a nandroid backup. I'm asking for your own sake and ours. It's the best way to revert to a previous state your phone was in if you have any troubles.
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Thanks for the advise. I have restored from nandroid. :good:
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spitfire2425 said:
You're gonna have to wait until the GE one drops for the stock with beats and camera. As for the lockscreen, you're not getting much mod wise. Also you can't just delete a tweak you flashed, you have to restore a nandroid you (should have) made in recovery.
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Thanks for the response. I was afraid I'd have to wait. Do you think the GE rom will be available right away to non GE HTC ones or would we have to wait for a developer to mod it for use for us?
Hopefully we can just flash it as an ruu. When someone gets a leak or someone makes a system dump it should be flashable. If not it'll take a little moding which shouldn't take too long for a dev to do.
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