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So my friend has a Thunderbolt and she complains about it freezing up when doing text messaging. She has to hit the power button and then it will come back to life. Sometimes she even has to wait a few minutes for it to come back. She has tried to restart it and even takes the battery out. She has also even having troubles with the GPS not working or taking forever to lock. Everytrail will mess up and not get her entire run, etc. I even noticed that my TouchPro2 running android will go from google maps to google navigation faster than her Tbolt. Is this poor performance common for users with the stock rom and the update?
I have no problem messing around with phones and putting custom roms, etc, etc on my phone. I would help her root her phone if its worth rooting. She was concerned it would void warranty, but I saw the thread to restore to stock. Is there anyway for them to tell you were rooted if she has a warranty issue and I return it to stock? She is obviously wanting something that will work better and faster than stock. What would be the best setup for a close to stock look and feel, but more stable and easy to use? Does a rom like that even exist? Help me out here fella's as I told her to get the Tbolt instead of another crackberry and now she is less than happy because her Tbolt sucks stock. Thanks
If i was her i would call and get a replacement and see if that helps b4 messing with the phone. A phone should work properly out of the box.
Wont they just send her a replacement that is a refurb?
They will definitely give her a refurbished no matter how much you complain.
For the gps, try download an app called GPS Status and Toolbox. It's free from the market. Turn GPS on, open up the app, and hit the menu button. Then choose Tools, and choose Manage A-GPS State. Choose reset and see if that helps the GPS lock on faster.
As for the freezing, I'm not sure why its doing that. It could be a rouge app that's hogging the CPU. Tell her to go through and uninstall any apps she doesn't use. Worst case scenario, back up everything she needs, and factory reset the phone. Is a pain, by it might be worth a try.
Rooting does void the warranty. You can return back to stock and they would never know. However, because of this, many people are bricking their phones because they don't know what they are doing and then claim warranty on them. Because of this, the OEMs are starting to lock down the bootloaders to prevent this, and carriers and pressuring them to do so as well.
I, personally, think the tbolt runs faster and has the best battery life stock than with any Rom kernel combo I have tried.
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I'd rather have a functional refurb than a broken new phone. That's just me.
I had never done anything close to rooting a phone before. I spent 2 days reading about it. I downloaded all the programs and files that are needed to root the phone. Finally decided to do it....knowing full well that I could brick the phone and have to pay retail for a new one. It did take me a long time just cause I wanted to be very thorough with the process and make sure I did everything right. If I had to do it again it would probably take a half hour. It was easier than I thought it would be. The combo I'm using now is Bamf 1.6.3 remix and Imoseyons lean kernel on normal mode. The battery life is amazing. I do have a slight problem that will hopefully get fixed soon but after unplugging my phone at 730 am and having moderate usage at work my battery is at 82% at 5 pm.
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I had never done anything close to rooting a phone before. I spent 2 days reading about it. I downloaded all the programs and files that are needed to root the phone. Finally decided to do it....knowing full well that I could brick the phone and have to pay retail for a new one. It did take me a long time just cause I wanted to be very thorough with the process and make sure I did everything right. If I had to do it again it would probably take a half hour. It was easier than I thought it would be. The combo I'm using now is Bamf 1.6.3 remix and Imoseyons lean kernel on normal mode. The battery life is amazing. I do have a slight problem that will hopefully get fixed soon but after unplugging my phone at 730 am and having moderate usage at work my battery is at 82% at 5 pm.
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The battery percentage isn't always accurate. Try using green power. It's a free app in the market. It an shut your data off when you shut the screen of, and turn it on when you turn the screen back on. You can also set it to turn the data on and let the phone sync. I have none set to turn the data on for 1 minute every two hours to let it sync.
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I am not worried about successfully rooting the phone. I am sure I can handle that. I am more worried about the phone working worse than it is now. That is why I was asking about which roms are nice and stable.
She is running SMS backup? Is there a better program that archives texts to gmail easily that she could try?
Could there really be a hardware issue? Seems odd.
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I am not worried about successfully rooting the phone. I am sure I can handle that. I am more worried about the phone working worse than it is now. That is why I was asking about which roms are nice and stable.
She is running SMS backup? Is there a better program that archives texts to gmail easily that she could try?
Could there really be a hardware issue? Seems odd.
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Plain Jane is a great ROM. its pretty much stock only deodexed and rooted.
I'm currently running das BAMF 2.0 and its very stable and runs great.
As far as sms backup, I never back up any of my text when I flash new ROMs so I couldn't help you there.
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I am not worried about successfully rooting the phone. I am sure I can handle that. I am more worried about the phone working worse than it is now. That is why I was asking about which roms are nice and stable.
She is running SMS backup? Is there a better program that archives texts to gmail easily that she could try?
Could there really be a hardware issue? Seems odd.
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SMS backup works fine. I don't like the HTC messaging app, mine freezes up too. Mostly when you have a ton of messages in a particular thread. Tell her to try handcent. That cleared up my messaging woes. If that doesn't do it I would tell her to go back to the store and have them replace the phone. Refurb or not it's better to have a phone that works. As far as gps that's a well known problem with this phone. I've resigned myself to waiting 90 seconds to get a fix which in reality isn't that bad. The garmin in my car takes at least that long.
Didnt realize there was a rom called plain jane. Sorry but what is deodexed?
I know she doesnt delete her texts so long threads may be an issue. I will have her look at handcent.
The length to lock isnt the biggest issue its the freezing and her missing stuff on everytrail.
Well after the WOW effect wore off my phone, i am starting to HATE the flaws.
I bought this phone outright for a hefty $600 and hoping i did not waste my money switching over from blackberry.
MY problems
Bluetooth disconnects every 15 minutes, plus sounds like garbage, i did some reading on this and its a common problem yet appears to not be addressed yet? i am using a Jawbone Icon by the way and its dual connected to my work BB
Data(HSPDA) randomly disconnects at least once every 2 days and requires me to pull the battery to get it back going.
Battery drain is beyond crazy, i cant get 5 hours out of the phone with moderate use.
This thing heats up like crazy!!!
I know the last two things are software related, and people say upgrade to KG2, well my phone had 2.3.3 and KG2 and this is what it shipped with, so what should i go to?
Or can i just solve all of these issue by rooting the phone? if so, i will go that route.
Thanks.
Dustin
if you want to go that way(rooting,FLashing Roms)
Think twice, the SGS2 has a binary counter that counts how many times you flashed unofficial software on the phone,
if you brick it or something happens, screen breaks etc, you might ran into some problems @ samsung if they check the counter
you can reset it yourself by buying a JIG, google it!
I've had no issues with my bluetooth headset (logitech freepluse). i'd guess it doesnt like being dual connected
I've had no issues with losing my data connection (i did on galaxy s though). how strong is your signal before you lose it?
as for the battery drain, make sure you're exiting your apps + all the usual other stuff (turn off sync, wifi, bt, set to autobrightness). 2.3.3 does have the drainage issue for some people. i'm on villainrom 2.3.4 and have no drainage issues
rooting won't help you out.
HSDPA disconnects? if you have H always on that means you are either downloading or uploading something most of the time, H only turns on when there is data being pulled or sent, you should see the 3G icon MOST of the time, if you are streaming music/video then you'll see the H kicking in.
I have a Jawbone Cruiser and have no issues whatsoever I have 2 devices paired to it but only 1 at a time, A2DP works flawless and it even sounds better than the original Galaxy S.
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Well after the WOW effect wore off my phone, i am starting to HATE the flaws.
I bought this phone outright for a hefty $600 and hoping i did not waste my money switching over from blackberry.
MY problems
Bluetooth disconnects every 15 minutes, plus sounds like garbage, i did some reading on this and its a common problem yet appears to not be addressed yet? i am using a Jawbone Icon by the way and its dual connected to my work BB
I get zero disconnect .
Data(HSPDA) randomly disconnects at least once every 2 days and requires me to pull the battery to get it back going.
never happened yet on many roms .
This thing heats up like crazy!!!
Warm but not overhot .
I know the last two things are software related, and people say upgrade to KG2, well my phone had 2.3.3 and KG2 and this is what it shipped with, so what should i go to?
KH3 latest stock firmware on this forum .
Or can i just solve all of these issue by rooting the phone? if so, i will go that route.
Rooting has nothing to do with battery problems all it does if give user a lower level access to the OS .
Hundreds of battery problem posts with tips methods etc but for me the starter has to be ,
better battery stats .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Find what apps are draining the battery .
jje
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Or can i just solve all of these issue by rooting the phone? if so, i will go that route.
Thanks.
Dustin
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Rooting will not solve these issues, but I can maybe enable you to start solving it.
However, before you start messing with kernels and firmwares I would really try to find out if some of the problems might be hardware related or not. If so, you could use your warranty to get a new one or get it fixed. Once you start messing with custom software you're never sure if they will grant you the warranty or not.
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Dear me another Apple fanboy on here
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not sure where you get that from? i actually hate apple and take that post as quite an insult, one and only thing i ever owned from them was a ipod way back, and it got stolen 2 mths after i bought it and i never replaced it.
that aside, i came from a Blackberry Curve 8330, although it sucked, it did have good bluetooth connectivity,decent battery life, and did not heat up, keep in mind it was a CDMA phone.
so i know i have some changes to expect with a new network, but it appears lots of these have been fixed by people and i am just trying to understand the software and device, KG2 KY this,etc is all new to me, so i have been reading lots but find it confusing since its so vast.
needless to say it will be kind of disappointing if i cant connect 2 devices to my jawbone icon at the same time and work flawless, as this is huge for me.
Also i NEVER see 3G data show up on my phone, its always the H with up and down arrows, should i see 3G? im up in Canada(Saskatchewan to be exact)
It appears i should update from KG2, yet KIES shows no update, i have not dove into Odin to try that out, maybe i should?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Dustin
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Dear me another Apple fanboy on here :rolleyes
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To be scrupulously fair, the OP confesses to having come from Blackberry.
He is therefore not the spawn of Satan, merely just a second cousin of a minor demon...
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To be scrupulously fair, the OP confesses to having come from Blackberry.
He is therefore not the spawn of Satan, merely just a second cousin of a minor demon...
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fair enough Blackberry not quite as bad unless your planning on rioting in your town or city
ill do my best
lool! some of these guys on here are too funny. ok how the f*** are u only getting 5 hours? i get 14-16hrs moderate use . i really would suggest rooting your phone. it really helps! i mean with the overheating problem i have under volted and under clocked my cpu and my phone doesnt heat up no more! woooop! lol. funny that my 3g and bluetooth is perfectly fine. oh and rooting is very very easy now and odin is quality and... simple . as im typing this im flashing another rom, lol. flashaholic . its a really good phone and ive had many many phones.
so now i have mixed reviews? should i root or not.
i really just want to solve my issues!
i installed Battery Stats but have no idea how to screenshot?
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so now i have mixed reviews? should i root or not.
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Rooting doesn't solve anything, just gives you access to hidden files. You need to flash a newer rom(kh3 or kh5) and hope it fixes those issues.
I agree with the above poster, I've been using android since inception and I don't believe in rooting a phone to mask the issues you are having, upgrade the software, there are many roms to choose from, get the device running well before you think about rooting.
People are giving new android users the impression that rooting is the answer for phone issues, it is not.
Rooting is for advanced users who want the extra access to explore the power of android.
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I don't understand why everyone seems to be pushing the USB JIG, it's like there are people making and selling them here or something.
@BrokenPixel, H or H+ doesn't drop to 3G as fast, if your Telco doesn't support Fast Dormancy, or you have Fast Dormancy disabled.
I like Blackberries, it is lacking as a end-user smartphone, however for companies, I still like the privacy with point to point encryption. Android does not have that unless you purchase a 3rd party application which means both parties have to have it as well. Again, it really depends on what you are using the phone for. I still recommend using the right tools for the right job.
@Gustopher, calling Blackberries a "second cousin of a minor demon..." is like calling a screwdriver the bane of our existence, or a hammer "the killer of thumbs..."
peachpuff is correct, instead of rooting your phone, perhaps you should try changing the modem to something else instead, try KH3, KG6, KF4, KE4. Perhaps in the mentioned order. It really covers most regions, since we don't know where you are at!
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I don't understand why everyone seems to be pushing the USB JIG, it's like there are people making and selling them here or something.
@BrokenPixel, H or H+ doesn't drop to 3G as fast, if your Telco doesn't support Fast Dormancy, or you have Fast Dormancy disabled.
I like Blackberries, it is lacking as a end-user smartphone, however for companies, I still like the privacy with point to point encryption. Android does not have that unless you purchase a 3rd party application which means both parties have to have it as well. Again, it really depends on what you are using the phone for. I still recommend using the right tools for the right job.
@Gustopher, calling Blackberries a "second cousin of a minor demon..." is like calling a screwdriver the bane of our existence, or a hammer "the killer of thumbs..."
peachpuff is correct, instead of rooting your phone, perhaps you should try changing the modem to something else instead, try KH3, KG6, KF4, KE4. Perhaps in the mentioned order. It really covers most regions, since we don't know where you are at!
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Thank you for actually being informative.
I am in Canada by the way(Saskatchewan) and i am running on the Sasktel network(Bell essentially)
I always thought i had to root in order to install something different then KG2?
i am not sure what my network supports, but i have NEVER seen 3g since the day i bought it.
i have turned off some of the recommended things to save battery life, it seems to be helping, we will see what i get
If your problems are related to your settings, flashing newer firmware (KG5 for example, works fine with me) will only really help if you do a complete wipe/factory reset. See the guides for that.
That would be done best by rooting with CF-root, going into CWM-recovery, doing a backup there, do all "wipes", reboot straight into download mode and flash the fresh firmware via Odin. The guides are all there.
Just make sure to play with some settings like gsm/wcdma in your network settings first.
5hrs use?
Your blackberry gave much better battery?
Sorry, but your talking absolute ****e!
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5hrs use?
Your blackberry gave much better battery?
Sorry, but your talking absolute ****e!
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Have you never heard of BB's? He came from a Curve..basically a glorified pager. He could probably go 3 days on that thing with a single charge. Kind of like going from a Commodore 64 to a high end laptop.
One thing I haven't heard mentioned about rooting is the fact with root you can install Titanium Backup..and with the Pro version..freeze apps (instead of deleting) which allows you to fiddle with perhaps some rogue apps that are draining your battery.
As usual with most Androids..make sure you don't have FB or Twitter syncing crazily (and if you're running multiple tweet or FB programs..be sure they aren't syncing as well). I'm not familiar with Touchwiz..but if they have their own "social networking" apps that you don't use (and you use the actual apps themselves instead) be sure to check those and make sure they arent sync'ing either (and better yet freeze them with TiBu).
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5hrs use?
Your blackberry gave much better battery?
Sorry, but your talking absolute ****e!
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yes i am lying to your face in order to get you to help me fix my phone.....:facepalm
A. i get FIVE HOURS with moderate use on my current I9100
B. i ad a BB curve 8330 i would get 14-16 hours moderate use.
so no, i am not talking "****e"
Ok, I installed 2.3.6 from AT&T and my bettery life has tanked.
Batter Usage shows the Android OS at 93%!!!
Not using my phone, it is dead in about 7 hours.
Kernel Version
2.6.35.7
Build Number
GINGERBREAD.UCKK6
I am not rooted and dont want to root.
HELP!
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Ok, I installed 2.3.6 from AT&T and my bettery life has tanked.
Batter Usage shows the Android OS at 93%!!!
Not using my phone, it is dead in about 7 hours.
Kernel Version
2.6.35.7
Build Number
GINGERBREAD.UCKK6
I am not rooted and dont want to root.
HELP!
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You have an app that is driving data to your phone, causing the wifi chip to wake the phone all the time. Apparently a system app - a lot of people have been having this issue with KK6.
Beyond this - sorry, but if you are not rooted you will have to live with it. Identifying what is triggering the wifi interrupts requires obtaining a Wireshark capture, this is not possible without root. Even if a common root cause is found for what's going on with KK6, it's most likely in /system itself so can't be fixed without a custom ROM or at least rooting.
If you're not willing to root, why are you on a firmware developer forum? Have AT&T help you instead if you're on 100% bone stock unrooted.
Well if it's an APP causing it, then many many people must be running the same app cause all of the various forums out there are a lot of people with the battery drain after updating to 2.3.6. Even a lot of my customers have mentioned it also.
I doubt it is an APP doing it. I'd bet it is just some bad coding on Samsung's part. They are probably getting a lot of complaints and are most likely already looking into it.
As far as the why he is here if he doesn't root. Well I don't root as well and have no desire to being as stock works just great. (other than the battery drain)
This is a great place to hang out and keep up on other people using various phones. He posted in the General section, not the Developer's section for this phone. So I think his/her question was valid.
If he was asking the question in the Developers section I would understand your concern. But I don't feel you have to be into cooked ROMS to value this forum.
That's like saying to the people who like the "Fast and the Furious" moves to stop watching them because they have a Chevy and not a pimped up Civic.
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Ok, I installed 2.3.6 from AT&T and my bettery life has tanked.
Batter Usage shows the Android OS at 93%!!!
Not using my phone, it is dead in about 7 hours.
Kernel Version
2.6.35.7
Build Number
GINGERBREAD.UCKK6
I am not rooted and dont want to root.
HELP!
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I'm not rooted with wifi on all the time just got the phone 3 days ago and I'm getting 14-15hrs with no issue down to about 15-20% battery life left before I have to stick back on charger. Could be a bad battery or device, I'm coming over from Sprint after using rooted evo3d and rooted photon.
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The forum is called xda-DEVELOPERS.com
If you don't want to root, you're probably better off in the AT&T support forums, because honestly, it isn't worth our time to try and help someone who doesn't want to root fix a problem that is almost sure to require root access to fix, or in this case, even diagnose.
I do believe many are having this issue after upgrading to kk6 (with same apps installed). I had the issue as well.
May be a system app, or something in /system causing an app to become unhappy.
Either way, it's not going to get fixed without Shark for Root captures from those encountering problems.
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I do believe many are having this issue after upgrading to kk6 (with same apps installed). I had the issue as well.
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I don't think it anything to do with KK6. As Entropy said its an app causing a wake lock. I'm run Ingram KK6 without any issues with battery.
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Having this issue as well. Phone is stock. Ive been here since the captivate but I hang around with the sgs2. Never needed to root this phone as it works perfectly for me. But I did the update this morning at 100% charge and 9 hours later with no use it's down to 9%. I could go all day with moderate use and be at 30-40% by the time I go to bed.
I read on a rather long on a google forum that many had this issue after upgrading via ota but who knows. I found that wiping dalvik and flashing unnamed update again I have much better batter life. I did read in update that he reverted to an earlier kernel signature to fix the battery drain.
Im going back to 2.3.4 via this method.
http://galaxys2root.com/att-galaxy-s2/how-to-unroot-att-galaxy-s2-sgh-i777/
Losing 10% of my battery at idle /hour is ridiculous lol. Android os was at 87+% within 3 hours of restart.
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Okay so I did this method. Took about 5 mins after I got everything downloaded. I did not do the factory reset since it's not needed. Phones back to 2.3.4 and nothing was reset. Have all my sms's contacts, aps, wallpapers etc. Battery seems to be back to normal.
I recommend everyone who did that 2.3.6 update to revert back. To many problems with it.
I never entered download mode on this phone before. Just a tip: Keep holding all the buttons till the phone seems like it shuts off and keep holding them till you get into download mode. Do not let go or else it just powers off.
For the purposes of attempting to fix the problem, I really would like some people to take some Shark for Root captures as described in my Known Battery Drainers thread.
With that data, the root cause of the problem might be identifiable.
So far I've only seen one capture, I really need more unless I can reproduce the problem myself.
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For the purposes of attempting to fix the problem, I really would like some people to take some Shark for Root captures as described in my Known Battery Drainers thread.
With that data, the root cause of the problem might be identifiable.
So far I've only seen one capture, I really need more unless I can reproduce the problem myself.
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I'm also having battery issues but would like to try to fix it before giving up.
I've searched a bunch but can't find that thread. Not at home to try it on my PC so if you'll link it here, I'll do what I can to get some captures for you.
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I've searched a bunch but can't find that thread. Not at home to try it on my PC so if you'll link it here, I'll do what I can to get some captures for you.
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I read a possible solution on another forum and tried it with my SGS2 today and am amazed at the difference today in my battery life.
Worth a shot as it does not require anything more than charging your phone and pulling the battery.
Charge your phone to 100% with the phone off (hold the power button for 3 seconds or so until the menu comes up and select power off). When you reach 100%, unplug the charger and remove your battery (some said keep the battery removed for 90 seconds while others said 3-5 minutes). I left my battery out for 5 minutes or so. Put the battery back in and power on.
That was it. My Android OS went back to normal and the battery life today has been great if not better then with 2.3.6 than before I updated.
Screen grab of my current battery use after trying this method this morning is attached.
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I read a possible solution on another forum and tried it with my SGS2 today and am amazed at the difference today in my battery life.
Worth a shot as it does not require anything more than charging your phone and pulling the battery.
Charge your phone to 100% with the phone off (hold the power button for 3 seconds or so until the menu comes up and select power off). When you reach 100%, unplug the charger and remove your battery (some said keep the battery removed for 90 seconds while others said 3-5 minutes). I left my battery out for 5 minutes or so. Put the battery back in and power on.
That was it. My Android OS went back to normal and the battery life today has been great if not better then with 2.3.6 than before I updated.
Screen grab of my current battery use after trying this method this morning is attached.
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Placebo effect - did nothing a plain old reboot would not have done.
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Placebo effect - did nothing a plain old reboot would not have done.
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Quite possible, but still running on the same charge from this morning and am at 28% battery after 14+ hours of normal use which is all I expect (calls, texts and light web browsing during the day over data) and then couple hours of web use at night over Wi-Fi when at home.
The last few days I was charging the phone when I got home from the office if I wanted to use it at night. Android OS was way up in the 60+ range after I first updated OTA and today it has been under 20% and more near 15%, so I'll take it.
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Come to think, I probably did not do a reboot after the update and could have been all that was needed.
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I read a possible solution on another forum and tried it with my SGS2 today and am amazed at the difference today in my battery life.
Worth a shot as it does not require anything more than charging your phone and pulling the battery.
Charge your phone to 100% with the phone off (hold the power button for 3 seconds or so until the menu comes up and select power off). When you reach 100%, unplug the charger and remove your battery (some said keep the battery removed for 90 seconds while others said 3-5 minutes). I left my battery out for 5 minutes or so. Put the battery back in and power on.
That was it. My Android OS went back to normal and the battery life today has been great if not better then with 2.3.6 than before I updated.
Screen grab of my current battery use after trying this method this morning is attached.
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I did this and saw absolutely no change. 2.3.6 is draining my battery far faster than 2.3.4 ever did. The culprit is the Android OS running at 90%.
I read that it might be an issue with the wifi so I have turned that off and will report back if that seems to fix it.
I read on another forum that att and Samsung are trying to blame it on bad batteries and shipping out new batteries.
What a bunch of crap. People everywhere wouldn't suddenly all have bad batteries at the same time. Sounds like usual BS.
I personally think its just some bad coding that Samsung needs to figure out.
On a different note, I played with the Verizon Droid Razr yesterday. Man that is a really nice phone. I'm tempted to get it, but I work for att and get free cell service, so it wouldn't make sense to pay for Verizon service, even though I think their network is better.
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I read on another forum that att and Samsung are trying to blame it on bad batteries and shipping out new batteries.
What a bunch of crap. People everywhere wouldn't suddenly all have bad batteries at the same time. Sounds like usual BS.
I personally think its just some bad coding that Samsung needs to figure out.
On a different note, I played with the Verizon Droid Razr yesterday. Man that is a really nice phone. I'm tempted to get it, but I work for att and get free cell service, so it wouldn't make sense to pay for Verizon service, even though I think their network is better.
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Android OS is definately eating up the battery now. I think it does have to do with wifi, because it seems to be much improved with it off. I'll take a free battery as long as I don't need to exchange the old one.
I am trying to understand this phenomena.. I realize this is more of a philosophical topic than a technical topic, but its something I think about ever day when I read the forums and try to help people with stuff.
To start, my good friend, and my wife have rezounds. To be fair, my wife could care less about the ROM she is running, but, I like to keep her updated. My friend and I go back and forth about what rom is better, he likes Rrez rom, I like Cleanrom, but we flash back and forth.
Out of the 3 of us, We have never had any of the problems that I see other people having. Why?
We all (you guys too) have the same phones, we flash the same software, how is it that Joe gets 24 hours of battery life, flawlessly smooth performance, crystal clear reception.. while John gets an overheating battery, stuttering performance, unusable signal and 4 hours of battery life?
I continue to read posts from people complaining that this rom sucks or that rom sucks..
So.. is it the PERSON, the PHONE or...
maybe not all rezounds are the same inside, and maybe some software does not work with some versions of the phone. That seems pretty ridiculous though.
When I flash mine and my wife's phone, i usually "race" them to see who's is fastest (ya.. its stupid i know). But from the first power down, to wiping to flashing the rom. i press the buttons at the exact same time, and both phones complete the process at the exact same time, boot up in the exact same time..
you get the idea.
just to see if there are any differences, I did a clean flash of clean rom 4.1 on both phones, and let them sit with the screens on, full brightness for 1 hour. they BOTH drained to 83%.
These phones were purchased 3 months apart, and one from VZW and the other from Amazon.
my buddy has never had any of these problems either (his wife has a rezound, but she wont let him flash it)
none of us have had problems, why?
I am not trying to discount anyone's problems, obviously if your phone is overheating, its not something you are making up.. but why is it that YOUR phone heats up, yet mine doesn't
This is a real question, and I think it deserves some sort of analysis. A real answer could go a long way to helping people who are having problems others are not.
Case in point, people are complaining that the radios in the new leak suck. They are getting crappy reception and they regret updating.
i LOVE the new radios!!! i get AWESOME reception!!.
Right now im sitting at 17 hours with 30% left and I tethered my laptop at school for 3 hours while doing homework at school.
A few days ago, I let the battery die (didnt charge it overnight) and it charged over 60% in 30 min, it was awesome lol
60% in 30 minutes? on the new ICS firmware? it took me 1 hour and 20 minutes to go up from 14% to 70% today...
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60% in 30 minutes? on the new ICS firmware? it took me 1 hour and 20 minutes to go up from 14% to 70% today...
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trust me, I was just as surprised as you, I was sitting in lecture and it shut off on me. I went to study and plugged it in with the HTC charger and the supplied cable (i love that cable) while I read over some material, 30 min later I unplugged it and it was at 62%, I almost fell over lol
im on 4.1 with stock kernel. I flash my phone so much that I dont have **** installed on it (battery saver wise or whatever). It just a normal phone. I dont OC it, I dont run apps that close programs..just stock build
I've wondered the same thing. I'm somewhere in the middle here. I have some heat problems (can't charge and use a lot of mobile network, heavy games push me to 120-ish), my battery life kinda sucks (it's great, as long as I don't use it... but I get like 2 hrs screen on time). Overall though, it's not a terrible situation, and I still dig the phone.
But stories of 24 hour battery life and never seeing temps above 90 sound like tall tales to me.
I think some of it is that we all have our own interpretation of "moderate" use. I'd imagine some people think two hours of screen time is moderate use (a few facebook checks, some phone calls, and some email over the course of a day). To me it's extremely light... I'm at an hour+ by 10AM most days, 2 by the end of work, then I run with gps, play a game or two in the evening, and you get the idea.
I can't speak for those who have radio/ reception problems... but I've become pretty convinced that the other two main "issues" are mostly due to perception.
I think some of this may be location... if you are in an area where reception is spotty, your phone works harder to gain a connection, gets hotter doing it and uses more battery power.
I went from last Thursday to Monday morning with zero WiFi and the phone was using more power than my normal use, but the connection was solid, speeds were solid as well. I normally use WiFi most of the day because if I am at home or at work, I have a good solid WiFi signal and the phone uses less power (for me at least). My test over the weekend was a good test for me showing that while 4G was solid, if I have WiFi available I save battery power using it.
In general, I have rarely had issues with any phone that I use. Never had to replace one or return it for defects or any other reason. I am good to my equipment though, my Dinc still looks brand new and I got it pre-launch.
It's about 20% phone problems and 80% problems with the people. A good majority of people who flash and then complain are those who don't know what the heck they're doing. In the case of the new firmware, many didn't follow the directions to a T. They got a bad flash or a bad download. Then there are those who flash a new ROM and don't take the time to read everything before doing so. These are the 80% that are essentially complete morons. They do idiotic things that just can't be explained. These are the types of people who should either not be flashing ROMs or who should be using iPhones. In my opinion, if you don't read everything and then complain about something not working correctly, it's your fault.
That being said, there are phones that just suck straight from the factory. Some people who really know what they're doing have these phones and get bad results when running the new firmware and different ROMs. There are plenty of these people on here that have these issues. I feel bad for these people. I certainly don't feel bad for the other 80% who go into a thread and complain that the ROM sucks or something when it's completely their fault.
EDIT: And yes, much of the battery drain and temp problems can be blamed on location for those who have phones that just can't seem to grab a 4g signal for too long. I live in an area where my 4g is solid 99% of the time, so I have no issues. I was in an area about 2 hours south of where I live the other day, though, that had crap 4g signal. My phone definitely drained pretty quickly that day and did get a bit hot.
These are all good points. and actually I never considered location before,
And i thin you are right on with the perception. There has to be a way to standardize some of the stuff to rule out perception. So when people say "man i get crappy battery" We can say "well did you run the (insert standardized battery test) test? what was the result?"
say the test was something like leaving the screen on for 2 hours, starting with a full charge and in airplane mode to rule out reception. Theoretically, all phones with the same ROM and kernel should drain the same amount ..
It is also common for people to see a new mod/rom etc.. and rush to try it out without doing any prep for how they will recover if it doesn't work, how to go back, ramifications of the changes they make... checking first to see if others had problems with it first... etc.
krelvinaz said:
It is also common for people to see a new mod/rom etc.. and rush to try it out without doing any prep for how they will recover if it doesn't work, how to go back, ramifications of the changes they make... checking first to see if others had problems with it first... etc.
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Exactly. The "80%" problem in my post. People don't read. It's a shame.
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Exactly. The "80%" problem in my post. People don't read. It's a shame.
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lol, Rom devs should put in a system where new people are required to read the entire "read me" file along with flash instructions, and then answer a 20 question test and score at least 90% on it. Then, and ONLY then do they get the DL link After 10 or so times of doing this, the requirement would be lifted.
this idea makes me laugh..
Serinety said:
lol, Rom devs should put in a system where new people are required to read the entire "read me" file along with flash instructions, and then answer a 20 question test and score at least 90% on it. Then, and ONLY then do they get the DL link After 10 or so times of doing this, the requirement would be lifted.
this idea makes me laugh..
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Shouldn't make you laugh... it's a great idea!
Serinety said:
lol, Rom devs should put in a system where new people are required to read the entire "read me" file along with flash instructions, and then answer a 20 question test and score at least 90% on it. Then, and ONLY then do they get the DL link After 10 or so times of doing this, the requirement would be lifted.
this idea makes me laugh..
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Hahaha that's actually a really good idea lol I would change it to 95% or higher, though.
i know for a fact i'm not blaming it on the rom, or not reading right, or not flashing the firmware right.
i did everything right, and i'm 150% positive of that. thing is, when a rom runs great for the first 4 days or so, then out of nowehre i'm going from 18 hours of battery to 5 hours of battery, clearly there's an issue SOMEWHERE.
i'd love to blame it on verizon trying to push 4g here, but i run on wifi most of the time, so i don't think that's it.
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i know for a fact i'm not blaming it on the rom, or not reading right, or not flashing the firmware right.
i did everything right, and i'm 150% positive of that. thing is, when a rom runs great for the first 4 days or so, then out of nowehre i'm going from 18 hours of battery to 5 hours of battery, clearly there's an issue SOMEWHERE.
i'd love to blame it on verizon trying to push 4g here, but i run on wifi most of the time, so i don't think that's it.
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I've read your posts in the threads. I meant to put that in my post that you weren't one of the 80% I was talking about. I think yours is a case of the other 20%. Or it could be something to do with the firmware going all bonkers on you.
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I've read your posts in the threads. I meant to put that in my post that you weren't one of the 80% I was talking about. I think yours is a case of the other 20%. Or it could be something to do with the firmware going all bonkers on you.
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by the way, your sig is aweomse.
And yes, **** does happen sometime. but its usually clear from the way the post is written that the person was clueless.
posts usually start like this
"I tried searching but didnt find the answer...."
and then they ask how to flash the rom, or something else that has been covered 1000 times (you have to UPGRADE TO NEW LEAK FIRST)
yeah man, i really hope it's not! everything went smoothly...well, almost smoothly, i was one of the few where the phone froze on the white HTC screeen, and i did a batt pull, and when it rebooted, it began the second step of installation..but i have yet to have any force closes or anything. maybe i'm subconsciously using my phone more? i really don't think so. screen on time should pretty much help judge that, and it's not showing anything out of the ordinary...and better battery stats isn't showing any crazy up time..my awake time is like 39%..i mean, maybe the 4g issue is it? idk..like i said, i run wifi often, so that means mobile networks OFF...
then again, i'm running just 3g tonight ot see if 4g comes on again, and 3g keeps turning off, and switching to 1x..like, constantly...so they MUST still be doing something down here..
Serinety said:
by the way, your sig is aweomse.
And yes, **** does happen sometime. but its usually clear from the way the post is written that the person was clueless.
posts usually start like this
"I tried searching but didnt find the answer...."
and then they ask how to flash the rom, or something else that has been covered 1000 times (you have to UPGRADE TO NEW LEAK FIRST)
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Hahahahaha, that's a dead giveaway that they didn't really look lol.
And thanks If you click on my sig it'll take you to my thread to look at others I've done lately
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yeah man, i really hope it's not! everything went smoothly...well, almost smoothly, i was one of the few where the phone froze on the white HTC screeen, and i did a batt pull, and when it rebooted, it began the second step of installation..but i have yet to have any force closes or anything. maybe i'm subconsciously using my phone more? i really don't think so. screen on time should pretty much help judge that, and it's not showing anything out of the ordinary...and better battery stats isn't showing any crazy up time..my awake time is like 39%..i mean, maybe the 4g issue is it? idk..like i said, i run wifi often, so that means mobile networks OFF...
then again, i'm running just 3g tonight ot see if 4g comes on again, and 3g keeps turning off, and switching to 1x..like, constantly...so they MUST still be doing something down here..
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I got stuck also. Scared the hell out of me. But mine seems to have gone through the RUU perfectly and I've been getting insane battery life lately. Like at least a day every cycle on a stock 3.8v. It really could be a case of bad timing with the new firmware and Vzw updating 4g in your area that could be killing your battery. I hope you figure it out soon, though. That would be driving me insane.
you're running the RUU? i'm running joel's Bamf. works pretty well; i like ICS better, in general
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you're running the RUU? i'm running joel's Bamf. works pretty well; i like ICS better, in general
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Sorry, I meant I ran the leaked RUU and firmware and that's where I got stuck for a minute. But I'm on BAMF right now. I always run the latest BAMF.
So here I am, upgraded from the GS3. I understand that the ME7 radio is locked and that safestrap is the only option. But here's my dilemma. I used to get 14+ hours of battery life on my GS3. Now I'm lucky to get 8 hours, if I'm not touching the phone whatsoever. I've tried stock, Jellybeans, and Darkslide (seems to be my only options but feel free to prove me wrong.) Is this normal? Do I have a defunct device? This just seems extremely poor to me... They can't advertise that this phone is so much better if it's getting less battery life than the fricken S3...
Side note: I've tried running w/o my apps, and by turning all of the motion sensor stuff off, but I do not see a difference.
I also am pasting a picture of my battery in stock. You can see that in one day, I have to put it on the charger. Yes, I use wifi, but I honestly wasn't using the phone (and I do not have my apps installed.) The first fall on the graph is me using netflix for an hour (battery decline here is understandable). The second fall is my phone sitting on my desk while I'm at work. I'm on my computer, not my phone... and it's almost declining as much as if I was watching netflix. I've restarted it.... used the android task manager to kill the ram... you name it... Every rom I flash I've flashed is like this. It's astronomically frustrating...
I get awesome battery life with Hyperdrive have you tried that at all?
Verizon Galaxy S4
SafeStrapped & Hyperdrived
Mistertac said:
I get awesome battery life with Hyperdrive have you tried that at all?
Verizon Galaxy S4
SafeStrapped & Hyperdrived
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I have not, but I'm downloading it now. We'll see how it works!
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I get awesome battery life with Hyperdrive have you tried that at all?
Verizon Galaxy S4
SafeStrapped & Hyperdrived
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+1 Hyperdrive. 9.1 rocks my battery.
kyls2010 said:
So here I am, upgraded from the GS3. I understand that the ME7 radio is locked and that safestrap is the only option. But here's my dilemma. I used to get 14+ hours of battery life on my GS3. Now I'm lucky to get 8 hours, if I'm not touching the phone whatsoever. I've tried stock, Jellybeans, and Darkslide (seems to be my only options but feel free to prove me wrong.) Is this normal? Do I have a defunct device? This just seems extremely poor to me... They can't advertise that this phone is so much better if it's getting less battery life than the fricken S3...
Side note: I've tried running w/o my apps, and by turning all of the motion sensor stuff off, but I do not see a difference.
I also am pasting a picture of my battery in stock. You can see that in one day, I have to put it on the charger. Yes, I use wifi, but I honestly wasn't using the phone (and I do not have my apps installed.) The first fall on the graph is me using netflix for an hour (battery decline here is understandable). The second fall is my phone sitting on my desk while I'm at work. I'm on my computer, not my phone... and it's almost declining as much as if I was watching netflix. I've restarted it.... used the android task manager to kill the ram... you name it... Every rom I flash I've flashed is like this. It's astronomically frustrating...
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It's obvious that some apps you have installed are causing this, I can get 14+ easy on mine. I highly suggest using Greenify to hibernate misbehaving apps and try to use auto-brightness if you can stand it.
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The first time I read that I laughed out loud. The second time I read it - I thought yeah he would actually..or he'd write his own from scratch!
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A different rom wont make much difference if its something with the settings or a specific app you have running constantly. Do you have location services enabled. Thats a big one that causes alot of drain.
Hit thanks if I helped you out. Doing a little bit of reading goes a long way. Sent via tapatalk.
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It's obvious that some apps you have installed are causing this, I can get 14+ easy on mine. I highly suggest using Greenify to hibernate misbehaving apps and try to use auto-brightness if you can stand it.
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I had put in a side note above stating that I have been running without my apps installed, so it really can't/shouldn't be a case of misbehaving apps. "Side note: I've tried running w/o my apps, and by turning all of the motion sensor stuff off, but I do not see a difference."
I will definitely take a look at Greenify, and see if it helps me. Thank you for that suggestion.
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A different rom wont make much difference if its something with the settings or a specific app you have running constantly. Do you have location services enabled. Thats a big one that causes alot of drain.
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I had put in a side note above stating that I have been running without my apps. "Side note: I've tried running w/o my apps, and by turning all of the motion sensor stuff off, but I do not see a difference. " I did a ton of reading on this prior to flashing, but from what I see people are only reading my first sentence and trying to answer (which is why the, "Doing a little bit of reading goes a long way," comment irked me.) I have been a rooted android user since Droid X, so I know how to read/research/troubleshoot phone issues. Believe me, I've had to SBF that phone a million times because each flash was like a crapp shoot. This issue however is a commonality between multiple SGS4 roms (Stock, Jellybeans, and Darkslide).
I always shut my location services off the second I flash a rom (unless I need to use my navigator, which as mentioned, I don't have installed at the moment.) But this is definitely a valid troubleshooting question to ask.
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So here I am, upgraded from the GS3. I understand that the ME7 radio is locked and that safestrap is the only option. But here's my dilemma. I used to get 14+ hours of battery life on my GS3. Now I'm lucky to get 8 hours, if I'm not touching the phone whatsoever. I've tried stock, Jellybeans, and Darkslide (seems to be my only options but feel free to prove me wrong.) Is this normal? Do I have a defunct device? This just seems extremely poor to me... They can't advertise that this phone is so much better if it's getting less battery life than the fricken S3...
Side note: I've tried running w/o my apps, and by turning all of the motion sensor stuff off, but I do not see a difference.
I also am pasting a picture of my battery in stock. You can see that in one day, I have to put it on the charger. Yes, I use wifi, but I honestly wasn't using the phone (and I do not have my apps installed.) The first fall on the graph is me using netflix for an hour (battery decline here is understandable). The second fall is my phone sitting on my desk while I'm at work. I'm on my computer, not my phone... and it's almost declining as much as if I was watching netflix. I've restarted it.... used the android task manager to kill the ram... you name it... Every rom I flash I've flashed is like this. It's astronomically frustrating...
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Turn off Google location services, see if that helps. That was killing my battery on ME7, same as yours. If your not into rooting, the 4.3 update has fixed that bug, I'm back to 3.5ish hours of screen on time. I did give up root though, so pick your battle i guess.
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Turn off Google location services, see if that helps. That was killing my battery on ME7, same as yours. If your not into rooting, the 4.3 update has fixed that bug, I'm back to 3.5ish hours of screen on time. I did give up root though, so pick your battle i guess.
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FYI it is possible to retain root and take the update as explained here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504408 If you've already updated though you'll just have to wait for an exploit.
To the OP: It's also possible you just have a bad battery... there have been cases of faulty batteries and some were even swelling up so perhaps you could try to get a replacement to see if it fixes it.
Here is a post I made a few months back..I was battling Horrible Battery life (approx 5-10% per hour). Since i caught the culprit in my home netork I get less than 1% drain idle per hour:
"I had bad battery life on my S4 right after release. I tracked it down to Multicast being ENABLED on one of my Access Points. I would recommend logging into your routers and/or) access points and look for anything related to Multicast and Disable it (or uncheck it).
Granted this was for a totally different device (note that my Nexus 7 was NOT affected by multicast) but it certainly cant hurt anything by disabling multicast..If it does, just enable it again.
My S4 was using approx 5%-8% of battery per hour with multicast enabled...once I disabled it, I now drain about 1% per hour.
This took me almost 2 weeks to discover...keeping in mind that my S4 never connected to the affected AP. I use that AP for older legacy devices.....just having it on the network affected my S4.
Give it a try..if it does not work..enable it again."
PS..disabling Google location services also helped me slightly with a runaway battery drain.
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FYI it is possible to retain root and take the update as explained here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504408 If you've already updated though you'll just have to wait for an exploit.
To the OP: It's also possible you just have a bad battery... there have been cases of faulty batteries and some were even swelling up so perhaps you could try to get a replacement to see if it fixes it.
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Ya, I saw, but not having root is kind of a penance, makes me appreciate having it more when I do get it. I've also decided flashing roms gets old, but for sure I'm missing Xposed framework.
metalunna said:
Here is a post I made a few months back..I was battling Horrible Battery life (approx 5-10% per hour). Since i caught the culprit in my home netork I get less than 1% drain idle per hour:
"I had bad battery life on my S4 right after release. I tracked it down to Multicast being ENABLED on one of my Access Points. I would recommend logging into your routers and/or) access points and look for anything related to Multicast and Disable it (or uncheck it).
Granted this was for a totally different device (note that my Nexus 7 was NOT affected by multicast) but it certainly cant hurt anything by disabling multicast..If it does, just enable it again.
My S4 was using approx 5%-8% of battery per hour with multicast enabled...once I disabled it, I now drain about 1% per hour.
This took me almost 2 weeks to discover...keeping in mind that my S4 never connected to the affected AP. I use that AP for older legacy devices.....just having it on the network affected my S4.
Give it a try..if it does not work..enable it again."
PS..disabling Google location services also helped me slightly with a runaway battery drain.
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Amazing suggestion! I will definitely check that!
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FYI it is possible to retain root and take the update as explained here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504408 If you've already updated though you'll just have to wait for an exploit.
I have been hawkeyeing that thread all day lol...
To the OP: It's also possible you just have a bad battery... there have been cases of faulty batteries and some were even swelling up so perhaps you could try to get a replacement to see if it fixes it.
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I'm seriously starting to consider that as well... I'm on hyperdrive now but it really hasn't improved that much. I'm currently sitting at 19% since 8:45 am this morning (currently 4:01 PM here). So I'm going to just dip over 8 hours today, sitting at work while on my computer mind you, which is still sad in my eyes...
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Turn off Google location services, see if that helps. That was killing my battery on ME7, same as yours. If your not into rooting, the 4.3 update has fixed that bug, I'm back to 3.5ish hours of screen on time. I did give up root though, so pick your battle i guess.
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I'm definitely considering that OTA w/survival mode... no doubt about it.
Today I was using Navigation for about 4 hours straight, GPS and location services on, with LTE, also using Bluetooth the whole time for music and Poweramp with some texting in between. I only dropped 35%. It definitely sounds like you got a lemon (either the battery or phone).
Wow, I am jealous... Yeah, I think you're right.