Hey guys,
N1 owner here who wants to inquire about live wallpapers and homescreen lag. It seems like all 2010 phones, even up to the Nexus S, had at least some lag on the homescreen whenever live wallpapers were used. This was more apparent with wallpapers of higher complexity or more movement on the screen. However, even the most basic live wallpaper would still yield obvious FPS slowdown when flicking side to side, and especially going in and out of the app drawer and scrolling through the app drawer. This occurs in stock Launcher, stock ROM, CM ROM, ADW Launcher, and CM Launcher. Basically it happens no matter what. An overclock with a quality ROM might minimize the lag, but it's still there.
So my question is...do you notice the same thing on the Atrix with all its delicious hardware? Do you feel there is any sacrifice of smoothness/FPS at all when using live wallpapers?
If you think about it... Lwp is pretty amazing.. To have an interactive animation playing while your ui is present. I'm surprised its smooth at all.
I think gingerbread will really help but as it is 2.2 atrix is about as smooth as a n1 with 2.3
Without the lwp its crazy smooth!
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Ah good point. I didn't realize Atrix is on 2.2. I'll check back in once I see people using stable 2.3 ROMs. I think lwp are awesome to use, really makes Android stand out can look amazing. It's to bad that there is a FPS sacrific that comes with it...for now...
Yeah when gingerbread comes out for these phones they really will be something else.
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Hi!
As many of you have noticed, the x10 has very unsmooth touch. Is it only the FPS cap that is limited or is there something else, like hardware? Iv'e heard that Gingerbread have a 32fps cap, does it have that on all devices? Shouldnt their scrolling be unsmooth then? There have to be just not the capped FPS?
Hi!
The smoothness of scrolling, animations and the UI in general is affected by the FPS-cap. It also affects the touch polling rate which you can notice as slow touch response when tapping something or playing a game like Fruit Ninja. There is a custom kernel which removes this cap but it's battery life is horrible. I'd imagine it won't take long to see a fully working kernel without the battery issues and the FPS-cap disabled.
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My scrolling isn't too bad. Using rdnars SuperAOSP and the only time I find it lags is when my screen is dirty or I'm running some major usage on the memory. As far as I' aware they are the only two major things you'll come across in the better ROMS here that should effect it.
got to disagree i think the x10 is as smooth as any been playin around with my bros desire hd and cant really tell much difference between
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The FPS-cap affecting smoothness is a FACT. The importance of this fact however is a matter of personal preference. My personal preference is to keep it uncapped. I'm on the verge of buying a second hand iPhone 3GS/4 just because of the godly smoothness of iOS. I'm just waiting to see if the upcoming 2.3 update uncaps this since the devs seem to not be as interested in uncapping the FPS as they are in overclocking/undervolting, which I think the former is absolutely useless when you can achieve the same perceived fastness/smoothness without overclocking.
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My scrolling isn't too bad. Using rdnars SuperAOSP and the only time I find it lags is when my screen is dirty or I'm running some major usage on the memory. As far as I' aware they are the only two major things you'll come across in the better ROMS here that should effect it.
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I agree with you, in fact there are 2 other roms that has smooth scrolling which are Wolfbreak's CM6.1.3 rom and cobrato's MIUI1.3.8v2 rom, try to use GO Launcher EX you'll feel the difference...
Hi I'm using trips 2.2 and I must say with the fps cap the scrolling is horrible
Custom kernel <3
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Hey guys... from where to get custom kernel for tripNraver 2.2 froyo rom. I want fps to be uncapped. Please post link. Thanxx
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have you guys tried the
windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec=260
hack? Add that line to your build.prop if it isn't already there.
Makes it a lot smoother
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Hi!
As many of you have noticed, the x10 has very unsmooth touch. Is it only the FPS cap that is limited or is there something else, like hardware? Iv'e heard that Gingerbread have a 32fps cap, does it have that on all devices? Shouldnt their scrolling be unsmooth then? There have to be just not the capped FPS?
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I'm not 100% sure but i think the driver is hacked to be slightly laggy.
I just got this phone. I love it except for the fact that is not very smooth when scrolling through list, home screens etc.
I just figured with dual core CPU and all, that it should handle that like nothing.
Anyone else experience this and any ideas on a "fix"?
Once gingerbread is released I am sure that these issues will be solved considering froyo isn't multithreaded
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My X2 is really smooth, no jerky transitions or anything. Of course I ditched MotoBlur and went with ADW Ex for my launcher. I also rooted and removed quite a few of the bloat apps... still no problems. The MotoBlur software is horrid. Change to something MIUI, ADW, Go Launcher or anything different from the stock/default. The different launchers are all available in the market.
Agreed. Go launcher and smooth as butter
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yeah, sadly a software issue. One thing is Tegra needs its own optimizations. Gingerbread should help, while custom ROMS if/when they arrive should do wonders also. Mines mostly smooth (with BLUR) but does have its moments.
Agreed, it's very jerky. With any luck motorola will unlock these phones and the devs will have the roms out in weeks vs the months we face waiting if it's not unlocked
I wouldnt say its "jerky" but its just not so responsive
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My X2 is really smooth, no jerky transitions or anything. Of course I ditched MotoBlur and went with ADW Ex for my launcher. I also rooted and removed quite a few of the bloat apps... still no problems. The MotoBlur software is horrid. Change to something MIUI, ADW, Go Launcher or anything different from the stock/default. The different launchers are all available in the market.
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Though I think the Blur UI provides handy features that Gingerbread has (ability to uninstall apps directly is an example), I agree that Blur may be a part of the issue with performance.
I returned the DX2, but miss the things it did great (IMO) like nice display, build, call quality, N64 and PSX butter smooth, hardware buttons are MUCH better for avoiding gaming accidents, etc.
Though the V6 script rocks for rooters, it would be nice to have no low ram issues, audio pops or random reboots- out of box. That said, the script does not appear to fix the audio pops or reboots, but does help in reducing accumulated performance lag.
I noticed the same thing. Particularly after loading the phone up with apps.
Using this (SuperCharger Script) and selecting option 9, the phone is smooth as butter now and no more redraws of the home screen.
I love sense 3.0 but Im honestly tired of having 7 screens im a 3-4 screen type of person. I like using go launcher but When it comes to smoothness sense 3.0 has everything beat. Is there any alternate launcher that have hardware acceleration.
BTW i also dont like the way some of the sense widgets refresh
Launchers haven't really changed, just go with what you know is what I say
Bussin Caps from my 3D shooter
if you use launcher pro is smoother than an iphone. But somehow im loving sense even though it is really sluggish compare to lancher pro.
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benjimatt said:
I love sense 3.0 but Im honestly tired of having 7 screens im a 3-4 screen type of person. I like using go launcher but When it comes to smoothness sense 3.0 has everything beat. Is there any alternate launcher that have hardware acceleration.
BTW i also dont like the way some of the sense widgets refresh
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No way....LauncherPro is wayyyyy smoother. Hell, ADW launcher has never been smoother...in fact it has LP beat. LP's 4D app drawer stutters a little...but with the massive horsepower of this phone ADW is smooth as silk.
Sense has never been smooth for me on any phone ever.
Sense is quite the "pig with lipstick" compared to other launchers, has battery life been better for those of you switching to a different launcher?
not saying battery life is an issue, but a lil more juice never hurts
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Sense is quite the "pig with lipstick" compared to other launchers, has battery life been better for those of you switching to a different launcher?
not saying battery life is an issue, but a lil more juice never hurts
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Tough to say...I've been screwing with the phone constantly, so, I've been plowing through the batter as fast as possible. That said, I'm getting such fantastic life out of the battery (considering how much I am using it) that I have no concerns for the battery...it's definitely _much_ better than my EVO4G...
...in another week or two we'll really be able to get an accurate measure of battery life. First of all we need to stop screwing with the phone every free second we have--that'll wear off by then. Plus we need to get a week or two of charge cycles under our belts. But something tells me, even bone stock, that we should be pretty happy with the results.
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I love sense 3.0 but Im honestly tired of having 7 screens im a 3-4 screen type of person. I like using go launcher but When it comes to smoothness sense 3.0 has everything beat. Is there any alternate launcher that have hardware acceleration.
BTW i also dont like the way some of the sense widgets refresh
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I use Go Launcher EX and it's pretty dang smooth. The speed of this phone really helps.
Launcherpro is buttery smooth. I very rarely ever see lag. I'm one that can notice even the slightest bit of lag and, this launcher is 99.9% lag free..
ADW looks badass.. I love the screenshots I've seen. I'm just not sure if it's worth shelling out the money to buy yet another launcher.
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Launcherpro is buttery smooth. I very rarely ever see lag. I'm one that can notice even the slightest bit of lag and, this launcher is 99.9% lag free..
ADW looks badass.. I love the screenshots I've seen. I'm just not sure if it's worth shelling out the money to buy yet another launcher.
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Any lag or fc on reboot like there was with cm7?
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Unfortunately I've not had the pleasure of using CM7. I am very new to android.
ive tried adw and launcher pro however, i found that go launcher was the smoothest. plus they have a ton of cool transitions that are buttery smooth. I use it with the classic theme.
I've had a problem since getting my Atrix (unlocked on TMO). I'm coming from a Vibrant, which I dearly loved. I just loaded it up with too many widgets and started using SPB Shell which greatly slowed down its performance. Its one of the reasons why I got an Atrix to begin with, to have extra power to overcome all the little things I load my phone up with. It performs fine for this, the problem I have is a fairly low framerate on the homescreens, not enough to be non functional but just enough to be a little annoying.
For instance, I can flick the app drawer with my vibrant and it quickly flys up but you can distinguish different icons flying up, this is not possible with my atrix. It creates an indistinguishable blur. While switching between homescreens it comes off as stuttery instead of the smooth transitions I'm used to with my vibrant. I don't notice any of this while running apps on the atrix.
I'm rooted and running stock 2.3.4. I don't know if a custom rom would fix this but I'm tempted to just sell it and wait a while if this what to expect.
Any help regarding this matter would greatly be appreciated.
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I've had a problem since getting my Atrix (unlocked on TMO). I'm coming from a Vibrant, which I dearly loved. I just loaded it up with too many widgets and started using SPB Shell which greatly slowed down its performance. Its one of the reasons why I got an Atrix to begin with, to have extra power to overcome all the little things I load my phone up with. It performs fine for this, the problem I have is a fairly low framerate on the homescreens, not enough to be non functional but just enough to be a little annoying.
For instance, I can flick the app drawer with my vibrant and it quickly flys up but you can distinguish different icons flying up, this is not possible with my atrix. It creates an indistinguishable blur. While switching between homescreens it comes off as stuttery instead of the smooth transitions I'm used to with my vibrant. I don't notice any of this while running apps on the atrix.
I'm rooted and running stock 2.3.4. I don't know if a custom rom would fix this but I'm tempted to just sell it and wait a while if this what to expect.
Any help regarding this matter would greatly be appreciated.
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I have this same problem. On my old Inspire 4G transitions between multiple widget heavy homescreens was silky smooth on the stock sense launcher, or launcher pro, go launcher ex, and finally adw launcher ex.
On the Atrix the stock blur launcher is horrendously slow, go launcher ex isn't much better (and performance drops if you enable high quality drawing), launcher pro is nearly bad. The only launcher that comes close to the smoothness of my old inspire is adw launcher ex, which coincidentally was the slowest launcher on my inspire!
I've tried nearly every launcher (Blur, ADW, LauncherPro, Go, Zeam) but they all exhibit the same issue. There seems to be no way around it.
But at least it's fully responsive (on Gingerbread). No delays when swiping between screens. At this point I've stopped caring about framerate.
Launcher pro and adw launcher are very smooth with cm7
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jimmer411 said:
Launcher pro and adw launcher are very smooth with cm7
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Does bluetooth and the camera app work now?
Ultimate83 said:
I've had a problem since getting my Atrix (unlocked on TMO). I'm coming from a Vibrant, which I dearly loved. I just loaded it up with too many widgets and started using SPB Shell which greatly slowed down its performance. Its one of the reasons why I got an Atrix to begin with, to have extra power to overcome all the little things I load my phone up with. It performs fine for this, the problem I have is a fairly low framerate on the homescreens, not enough to be non functional but just enough to be a little annoying.
For instance, I can flick the app drawer with my vibrant and it quickly flys up but you can distinguish different icons flying up, this is not possible with my atrix. It creates an indistinguishable blur. While switching between homescreens it comes off as stuttery instead of the smooth transitions I'm used to with my vibrant. I don't notice any of this while running apps on the atrix.
I'm rooted and running stock 2.3.4. I don't know if a custom rom would fix this but I'm tempted to just sell it and wait a while if this what to expect.
Any help regarding this matter would greatly be appreciated.
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There's your problem right there.
Honestly, launchepro was the only launcher on Atrix that I tried that works absolutely flawlessly and with no lag.
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Does bluetooth and the camera app work now?
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Launcherpro is better than stock but it still suffers the same issue for me.
Wondering if anyone is experiencing lag when you a different launcher? Mine's lag very badly when using nova. If I'm moving between screens or in the app drawer.
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I've been using Nova (Prime) since day 1 and it is smooth, except for the very very occasional lag.
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Wondering if anyone is experiencing lag when you a different launcher? Mine's lag very badly when using nova. If I'm moving between screens or in the app drawer.
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Yeah, I've been going through the same thing. I end up going back to Sense launcher because the lag bothers me that much. I'm using Blackout ROM for AT&T version.
I have even changed all the settings to FAST for animation and performance and it works great but the lag eventually comes back and is noticeable.
Also been using Nova prime but haven't really noticed much lag between screens. Get the occasional lag (but nothing major) in the app drawer.
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The same here.
With Sense, there is no much lag, but it is not very smooth. (it seems to low FPS, but no lag)
With Nova, some transitions perfect, other very laggy. Little better with Apex, but still laggy.
Waiting for an official CM10.1
I hope it solves this problem.
I have paid a lot for this phone, and I tought it would perfect smooth. There is enough hardware in the box..
Just happy is just not my phone. Went back to sense launcher because it annoyed me that much lol
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i had the same problem and figured out why, first you need to go to developer options-----> advanced and check force 2d gpu rendering
and the try unchecking the animation option...no lag what so ever since
can't remember having lag with the vanilla HTC sense build when using Apex, but I surely don't have any lag issues on it using CM10.1
My phone isn't rooted or anything and since I've been using Android I've used Launcher Pro on every Android phone I've owned. The one thing that I do notice with the One X+ is that Launcher Pro constantly crashes. Never had a problem like this on any other device.
Apex Launcher Pro runs great for me no probs sofar since day1
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My phone isn't rooted or anything and since I've been using Android I've used Launcher Pro on every Android phone I've owned. The one thing that I do notice with the One X+ is that Launcher Pro constantly crashes. Never had a problem like this on any other device.
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erm Launcher Pro is dead since since 17.05.2011
dats why im usin Apex launcer
spray.de said:
Apex Launcher Pro runs great for me no probs sofar since day1
erm Launcher Pro is dead since since 17.05.2011
dats why im usin Apex launcer
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I just rooted and installed a ROM last night and went with Apex
I have made a vid to show the micro lags.
This is Apex Launcher Pro. With Nova is worse.
It happens with every Rom I have installed. From Stock, Insertcoin (sense and senseless), revolution, Cm10, Cm10.1.... all of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaCq5weoU4&feature=youtu.be
Best in 720p
First at real time, after that, 25% speed to see it better. With the Hox in hand feels worse than vid...
Im paranoid?
With "Sense Launcher", and "Next Launcher" this not happens. But I dont like neither of them..
This didn't happen with Nexus4, I would like to be the same in Hox+..
Thanks
alioth said:
I have made a vid to show the micro lags.
This is Apex Launcher Pro. With Nova is worse.
It happens with every Rom I have installed. From Stock, Insertcoin (sense and senseless), revolution, Cm10, Cm10.1.... all of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaCq5weoU4&feature=youtu.be
Best in 720p
First at real time, after that, 25% speed to see it better. With the Hox in hand feels worse than vid...
Im paranoid?
With "Sense Launcher", and "Next Launcher" this not happens. But I dont like neither of them..
This didn't happen with Nexus4, I would like to be the same in Hox+..
Thanks
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I don't know what is causing it. It is really annoying, maybe it is the Tegra processor? My old S3 and S2 never lagged with any launcher.
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I wonder if it is due to the aggressive governor settings HTC used. They are intended to mitigate battery drain, but, they can cause stuttering in games as well.
I ended up using Renovate Gaming Boost to fix the issue in various games that I play, but, I generally turn it (Gaming Boost) off unless I am gaming. There is a thread for the Renovate Gaming Boost in the HTC One X forum and the Jelly Bean version is compatible with HTC One X+ also.
It unlocks the GPU from the CPU so the GPU clocks stay at high levels even if CPU scales down. It also changes the 'on demand' governor settings. You can find out exactly what it changes in the main thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1783260
Not sure if this will have any effect on the launcher lag. If the issue is a result of the governor settings and/or GPU clock scaling down, then this should fix it. However, the downside is that your battery life will decrease as your CPU and GPU will run at higher average clock speeds. Root is required to get any benefit from the application.