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As many of you have noticed, the x10 has very unsmooth touch. Is it only the FPS cap that is limited or is there something else, like hardware? Iv'e heard that Gingerbread have a 32fps cap, does it have that on all devices? Shouldnt their scrolling be unsmooth then? There have to be just not the capped FPS?
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The smoothness of scrolling, animations and the UI in general is affected by the FPS-cap. It also affects the touch polling rate which you can notice as slow touch response when tapping something or playing a game like Fruit Ninja. There is a custom kernel which removes this cap but it's battery life is horrible. I'd imagine it won't take long to see a fully working kernel without the battery issues and the FPS-cap disabled.
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My scrolling isn't too bad. Using rdnars SuperAOSP and the only time I find it lags is when my screen is dirty or I'm running some major usage on the memory. As far as I' aware they are the only two major things you'll come across in the better ROMS here that should effect it.
got to disagree i think the x10 is as smooth as any been playin around with my bros desire hd and cant really tell much difference between
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The FPS-cap affecting smoothness is a FACT. The importance of this fact however is a matter of personal preference. My personal preference is to keep it uncapped. I'm on the verge of buying a second hand iPhone 3GS/4 just because of the godly smoothness of iOS. I'm just waiting to see if the upcoming 2.3 update uncaps this since the devs seem to not be as interested in uncapping the FPS as they are in overclocking/undervolting, which I think the former is absolutely useless when you can achieve the same perceived fastness/smoothness without overclocking.
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My scrolling isn't too bad. Using rdnars SuperAOSP and the only time I find it lags is when my screen is dirty or I'm running some major usage on the memory. As far as I' aware they are the only two major things you'll come across in the better ROMS here that should effect it.
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I agree with you, in fact there are 2 other roms that has smooth scrolling which are Wolfbreak's CM6.1.3 rom and cobrato's MIUI1.3.8v2 rom, try to use GO Launcher EX you'll feel the difference...
Hi I'm using trips 2.2 and I must say with the fps cap the scrolling is horrible
Custom kernel <3
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Hey guys... from where to get custom kernel for tripNraver 2.2 froyo rom. I want fps to be uncapped. Please post link. Thanxx
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have you guys tried the
windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec=260
hack? Add that line to your build.prop if it isn't already there.
Makes it a lot smoother
a1exander said:
Hi!
As many of you have noticed, the x10 has very unsmooth touch. Is it only the FPS cap that is limited or is there something else, like hardware? Iv'e heard that Gingerbread have a 32fps cap, does it have that on all devices? Shouldnt their scrolling be unsmooth then? There have to be just not the capped FPS?
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I'm not 100% sure but i think the driver is hacked to be slightly laggy.
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Any opinions? I'm on KaosFroyo right now and it is amazing but what do you guys think?
Clearly this is all opinion:
CM6. Fastest I've used (noticeably when I play games) and it's really not missing any features... I think facebook sync is working now, gps, everything really except for the camera.
It's weird I think all the camera apps don't work in Froyo. What about the overclock? All the 2.2 roms are at 710 by default right? Even if you dont have setcpu installed?
At the moment they seem to all use a kernel with 710mhz default. The camera is related to the kernel and once the froyo kernel is out we'll have camera.
Try celebfroyo 1.4
My personnel experience has been, KaosFroyo was awesome, but I had some MINOR issues such as launcher pros 3d app drawer lagging real bad, and game performance being somewhat awful. Am now on Cyanogen6 test build. 0 issues. Other than stock camera. Camera magic fixed that for me.
Whitepaint, I had the same issues with games... Zenonia was literally impossible to play lol maybe 10 FPS tops, with CM6 I'm seeing serious improvements.
thanks guys ill go try Cm6
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Try celebfroyo 1.4
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i have tried that Rom and i didnt like it. it was way too slow and laggy for me
CelebFroyo 1.4 i have it over clocked to 806mhz and stable. Linpack 5.5 and quadrent 420. Been really stable aswell. NIKOLAI2.1 Froyo's kernal is 710mhz and yes you can use SetCPU. Mines only stable up to 806
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All of them are excellent works of art ;-)
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CelebFroyo 1.4 i have it over clocked to 806mhz and stable. Linpack 5.5 and quadrent 420. Been really stable aswell. NIKOLAI2.1 Froyo's kernal is 710mhz and yes you can use SetCPU. Mines only stable up to 806
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Haha yeah but my phone will freeze after 768
But hey I'm using CM6 and it's amazing!
itarille said:
All of them are excellent works of art ;-)
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And yes they are!
Tried them all so far, like them all, but definitely have had the most luck with CELB 1.4. Was rocking Kaos for a bit and was pretty quick, but noticed it was slowing down a bit. Battery life was pretty good. Once I got CELB going though, I was just amazed at how quick everything is. Apps open well, smooth scrolling, and most surprising to me is that there is almost no lag when waking the phone while the profile is set 480/245 and when screen is awake it's 806/480 - both performance. Loving it so far, even though battery life doesn't seem quite as good. Small price to pay for the speed though in my opinion.
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Tried them all so far, like them all, but definitely have had the most luck with CELB 1.4. Was rocking Kaos for a bit and was pretty quick, but noticed it was slowing down a bit. Battery life was pretty good. Once I got CELB going though, I was just amazed at how quick everything is. Apps open well, smooth scrolling, and most surprising to me is that there is almost no lag when waking the phone while the profile is set 480/245 and when screen is awake it's 806/480 - both performance. Loving it so far, even though battery life doesn't seem quite as good. Small price to pay for the speed though in my opinion.
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Just curing do you use surface dithering and/or JIT? CM6 had Jit disabled my default for some reason.
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Just curing do you use surface dithering and/or JIT? CM6 had Jit disabled my default for some reason.
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cyangen mod settings under performance ,, just incase u didnt know u can enable it
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cyangen mod settings under performance ,, just incase u didnt know u can enable it
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Yeah I enabled it, I was just curious if I should have since I've seen that JIT is a little unstable.
I have surface dithering on and JIT on with 24m cache.
edit: And JIT is unstable only with certain apps and with Froyo roms it works a million times better. JIT was made for froyo and not 2.1.
es0tericcha0s said:
Tried them all so far, like them all, but definitely have had the most luck with CELB 1.4. Was rocking Kaos for a bit and was pretty quick, but noticed it was slowing down a bit. Battery life was pretty good. Once I got CELB going though, I was just amazed at how quick everything is. Apps open well, smooth scrolling, and most surprising to me is that there is almost no lag when waking the phone while the profile is set 480/245 and when screen is awake it's 806/480 - both performance. Loving it so far, even though battery life doesn't seem quite as good. Small price to pay for the speed though in my opinion.
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I may not have understood what you were saying, but are you saying you have your setcpu to scale for performance all the time? If so that's probably why your battery life is suffering as performance forces the CPU to stay clocked at your highest speed. Yours being 806 awake and 480 asleep. Setting it to On demand will allow the CPU to clock down when its not in use.
Yes, performance means 100% of the time it is clocked as high as possible, put it on demand. Our kernels don't support anything else like "conservative."
Are the Froyo MODs using Sense? I really don't like the idea of giving it up. Everything is too boring without it (just my opinion, don't kill me for it!).
Has anyone else noticed this? If there was a single gripe I have about this phone, it's the browser scrolling. For instance, on the xda developer's forums, with the list of all the phones, the scrolling seems very choppy. On small websites it's not as bad, but I was expecting it to be buttery smooth like (I hate to say it) the SGSII.
I am just wondering if anyone else noticed this and if there is a way around it with/without root? I would be more than happy to wait for root because I know what kind of jumps I can see in performance with a custom ROM/kernel (I had a hero for what seems like a long time and it was much better as time went on due to the custom roms etc.)
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Has anyone else noticed this? If there was a single gripe I have about this phone, it's the browser scrolling. For instance, on the xda developer's forums, with the list of all the phones, the scrolling seems very choppy. On small websites it's not as bad, but I was expecting it to be buttery smooth like (I hate to say it) the SGSII.
I am just wondering if anyone else noticed this and if there is a way around it with/without root? I would be more than happy to wait for root because I know what kind of jumps I can see in performance with a custom ROM/kernel (I had a hero for what seems like a long time and it was much better as time went on due to the custom roms etc.)
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Just tried it, runs smooth on my end. You have anything running in the background?
Yes, I have this. It's very annoying.
Thankfully it's my only real complaint about the phone so far.
One other that is bothersome... If you start scrolling down a page while it's still loading, it will snap back to the top when finished loading. This is also very annoying. Anyone else have that issue?
I have a little lag in the xda app and my market is super laggy
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I have lag everywhere literally feels like everything I do is laggy.
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Try Opera browser. I heard it has gpu accelaration (not sure this is true) but from my experience its the smoothest scrolling browser.
I'll give opera a go then
Definitely roll with Opera Mobile! SMOOOTH
i get occasional lag (not just browsing) that gets annoying but a reboot fixes everything. also: i use dolphin HD and my browsing has been very smooth overall
Anybody else getting lag in the xda app when trying to scroll fast feels laggy I did the ota I think it has to to with photos like on the market which makes it laggy I was using imb and it was lagging a lot it looks like its slowing down because of the pics anyone else having this
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No lag here, everything seems very smooth browser wise. Almost nearly as smooth as the sgs2 which utilizes hardware acceleration.
Did you do the ota
jlevy73 said:
No lag here, everything seems very smooth browser wise. Almost nearly as smooth as the sgs2 which utilizes hardware acceleration.
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jlevy73 said:
No lag here, everything seems very smooth browser wise. Almost nearly as smooth as the sgs2 which utilizes hardware acceleration.
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I don't get why HTC doesn't like implementing hardware acceleration in their phones. My old epic 4g, which was released last year, has hardware acceleration and doesn't stutter on the xda forum desktop site like the 3D. Still, at least it's a million times better than the evo 4g. The og evo could hardly browse xda's desktop site.
I've tried around 5-6 ROMs. My two favorite ones so far are Wolfbreak's TW007 and EWJet xKernal. I have noticed that EWJet xKernal has a smooter UI but not as great battery life compared to Wolfbreak's TW007. (Also the fact that the latter is 2.2)
I'm looking for the best ROM that fits these criteria:
- It doesn't have to have the smoothest of UIs. I don't need to be able to literally blow the screen to flip homescreens.
- I want something that is FPS uncapped.
- It has to have an improved battery life and tweaks.
- I do not mind an ugly user interface or ones that are very easy to navigate. I do not mind learning new things so long as I don't have to climb mount everest to navigate through.
- I do a lot of gaming, so something that has less lag during gaming would be much appreciated.
- I prefer the ROM to come without it's own custom music app like EWJet's UberMusic. I bought PowerAMP and I'm loving it.
- It does not have to have the best camera or video camera ever. I don't often record stuff but I do often take pictures of things.
- I want a ROM whose creator is frequently working on improving the ROM and making it much better.
That and a few more trivial matters that I don't need to put on here. Any help is appreciated, thank you.
Maybe try cobratos formels miui rom? V4 has the new zkernel included which unlocks the fps cap. Just flash bb 67 then try his rom. I tried it....its pretty sweet.
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"- I want a ROM whose creator is frequently working on improving the ROM and making it much better."
Gingerbread is comming this august! Every1 is waiting for it and just doing minor fixes.
stick with WB's and get launcher pro, it allows you to rotate the home screen and looks great because it is whatever you want it to look like. it's free, but i bought it for the extra features. I made mine look like windows with custom icons and a windows wallpaper =D
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Does Wolfbreak's TW 007 have FPS uncap?
And how about Ultima 4? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1095637
Tw 007 does not have fps uncapped but does have best battery life of the roms i've tried.
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The custom kernel Version has Fps uncap
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Haldi4803 said:
"- I want a ROM whose creator is frequently working on improving the ROM and making it much better."
Gingerbread is comming this august! Every1 is waiting for it and just doing minor fixes.
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cant tell that for me i have a BIG fixes that add gingerbread feature check at my post on my signature
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i had a sgs but just broke it with water dmg 2 months ago was great aside from battery life and gps and of course that horrible lag
tried many mods darky , doc , miui ... etc with different lagfix , kernel ext3 . ext4 .. etc but still the device lags alot , the best was miui glitch minimum lag but still the lag is there
i used nexus one with 2.3 and even HD2 with 2.2 and compared them to my phone ... loading games i load them like 1.5~2 x faster than both but while in menu , exiting apps , switching between apps and opining apps both devices do these things much faster and they dont lag at all while mine lags in everything and the same issue with my other friend sgs while sgs2 shows that its faster than both phones
now i want to buy a new phone and thinking about the sgs2 but i dont want to fall in the same mistake and end up with a laggy phone
so what do u think of sgs2 , does it lag much ? or it doesnt lag at all? does it have any lag issue ?
i want you to tell me honestly and excuse my poor English
PS : I 'm not comparing them to how IOS is , i know how fast is iOS but i'm not looking to buy any IPHONE cus i want an android
The word 'Lag' is a relative one. If you are coming from those devices then you won't notice any, but iPhone users have some trouble getting in, iOS is silky smooth, can't say the exact same for Android.
Remember, I am not a fan of either.
Regards.
Every piece of hardware in the world will have software lag on it occassionaly, at least. My experience is that this blows all over my HD2 with every ROM I had on there, and I tried a LOT of different builds on that.
Seriously, if you've had a HD2 running Android faster than your SGS2 then there's either some bad software involved or you've got a faulty device. The difference is more than obvious.
what i meant with lag that the phone get stuck and wont accept commands
i have been android user the for more than a year now , never bought any iphone
but compairing my sgs to hd2 and nexus 1 its the laggiest no mater what u do with it
nexus 1 and hd 2 were very smooth and dont lag when installing more than one up
my sgs lags while downloading a single up and nearly freeze while installing it , cant even brows contact smoothly while installing an app unlike hd2 and nexus 1
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Every piece of hardware in the world will have software lag on it occassionaly, at least. My experience is that this blows all over my HD2 with every ROM I had on there, and I tried a LOT of different builds on that.
Seriously, if you've had a HD2 running Android faster than your SGS2 then there's either some bad software involved or you've got a faulty device. The difference is more than obvious.
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talking about hd2 vs sgs 1 not 2
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talking about hd2 vs sgs 1 not 2
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So you're actually saying that a HD2 running Android is faster than the SGS, but not faster than the SGS2?
Edit: Sorry, I just reread your first post. I see what you're saying now. So basically, you've not got the SGS2, but you've had the SGS and wonder if it's that much better? In that case, I'm out, since I've never even played with the original SGS. All I can say is the the SGS2 is faster and smoother than anything I ever had running on my HD2, and I generally stuck to Nexus builds because I prefer the original stock Android experience.
Coming from an iPhone, I would say the S2 is on par as far as homescreen "lag" goes. As for not accepting commands, the only time I have had this happen is if I lock the phone using setCPU . Other than that, the phone is FAST. I don't notice any lag at all, and most apps launch just about instantly.
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So you're actually saying that a HD2 running Android is faster than the SGS, but not faster than the SGS2?
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i dont have a sgs2 and thats why i'm asking about it before i buy it
and i did compare my sgs1 2.3 darky 10 ext4 wiped to my friends hd2 2.2 mine lags in menu and while installing but its faster when it come to loading games by 1.5~2x times
his never lags while doing anything just smooth
There are small micro jitters here and there with andriod OS, not a smooth as iOS.
Barely any lag in normal use in things like web surfing and using the interface.
But I get extreme lag using BBC Iplayer(Not the app) in HD or any other video source that is in HD excluding youtube. The video lags and the sound it out of sync. Pretty much unwatchable.
I know that these videos aren't optimised for use on a mobile but it would have been nice if they didn't lag.
Apart from that, all other videos are fine.
Silky smooth here, underclocked to 1000GHZ. Had a sgs and it drove me maaaaaaaad!
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Why does everyone think ios is extreme fast?
Even my sgs loads apps quiker than my iphone 4.
It does maybe sometimes not as fluid but always fast.
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I agree faster loading time but unfortunatly not fluid as ios.
I own a Sgs, Sgs2, desire, desire hd, nexus s and the smoother ar the desire hd but it is heavy as a rock and not resistant as the sgs2
No lag on mine ever since updated.to XXKG6. No problem on either Ninphetamine or lulz kernel.
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On mine there is no lag with the stock ROM. Once I installed Go Launcher, the swiping of the homescreen while was not laggy did have a lower framerate than the stock Touchwiz 4 launcher which was silky smooth.
Never had ANY lag at all since the SGS2 released. It really depends on the usage. But mine, no lag.
No lags on mine. Unrooted and stock rom 2.3.3.
Ah, well... actually to be honest yes, now that I think about it... sometimes I experience a very annoying lag of about 1 second at each and every character I type in the standard text box of forums, while posting. Each character appears about 1 second after having tapped it on the virtual keyboard.
Not sure if it happens with all the browsers, but it's very annoying indeed.
In addition, under the same circumstances when tapping on the text for editing, the "arrow" cursor appears shifted down of about 2-3 rows, with respect to where it actually is in the text.
Not sure if anybody has found a solution for this.
All of these newer phones, EVO 3d, sensation, sgs2 etc. will hardly ever have lag, in my case I have mine underclocked and still no lag, and never had lag.
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The question really boils down to does it lag, Yes or No.
There are animation lags from time to time on the S2, thats just how andriod works. Even if you stuff in a quadcore with 3Ghz per core nothings gonna change due to how the software works, probably even if the memory speed is increased 10 folds there will be lags.
No and yes nothings perfect. Ive experienced it before root. Why are you thinking of swtching to, a diffrent OS?
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The question really boils down to does it lag, Yes or No.
There are animation lags from time to time on the S2, thats just how andriod works. Even if you stuff in a quadcore with 3Ghz per core nothings gonna change due to how the software works, probably even if the memory speed is increased 10 folds there will be lags.
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Hello everybody ! Basiclly i want to ask if it would be a good idea to try disabling CPU rendering for a GB rom? Im currently on CM10 but really cant use it too much cause some games like Fruit ninja force close and cant even listen to music whatsoever. But the main thing that i dont like about GB roms is that they are very slow compared to CM9 or CM10. Would disabling CPU rendering make a difference? People say it makes a big difference .
It's probably possible, but I don't have the slightest idea on howto do it.
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Hello everybody ! Basiclly i want to ask if it would be a good idea to try disabling CPU rendering for a GB rom? Im currently on CM10 but really cant use it too much cause some games like Fruit ninja force close and cant even listen to music whatsoever. But the main thing that i dont like about GB roms is that they are very slow compared to CM9 or CM10. Would disabling CPU rendering make a difference? People say it makes a big difference .
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No 2D GPU rendering is available on GB. All GUI is rendered by CPU. So turning that off would leave you a black screen (except in games).
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HW acceleration was introduced in Honeycomb. Only the CPU is used for 2D rendering on earlier versions