So, seeing as webtop is basically linux, and we can now install ubuntu on it, is there any possibility of wine working on the phone.
Thanks guys
Nope, Wine is not an emulator / virtual machine. Wine only works to run Windows applications in linux on computers with x86 processors.
Wine could technically run on it. Sadly I don't have the slightest clue on how to get it to run.
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Is there no wine for ARM, i thought there was?
Wine is a compatibility layer that substitutes Windows API calls with comprable Unix/Linux ones. Because of this, the answer is no. The Atrix's processor uses an ARM instruction set, and (at least until Windows 8) all windows apps use the x86 instruction set. There's no instruction set substitution(emulation) going on, just the apis.
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Hi, I'm trying to understand the WebTop architecture. How does it interact with android OS, or does it interact with hardware directly like a real linux OS? Attached is an android architecture diagram. Is there something like this for WebTop?
There are several WebTop hacks. At least one of them was described as "running Linux, on top of Linux, on top of Android, a.k.a Linux". Which hack is the one runs closest to hardware, thus has the best performance? Dual core cpu is good, but it's still a ARM. I'd really want to avoid running things in virtual machines in this kind of CPU.
Thanks for any clarifications.
That is something I've been wondering too! If someone could enlighten us it would be great
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Hi, I'm trying to understand the WebTop architecture. How does it interact with android OS, or does it interact with hardware directly like a real linux OS? Attached is an android architecture diagram. Is there something like this for WebTop?
There are several WebTop hacks. At least one of them was described as "running Linux, on top of Linux, on top of Android, a.k.a Linux". Which hack is the one runs closest to hardware, thus has the best performance? Dual core cpu is good, but it's still a ARM. I'd really want to avoid running things in virtual machines in this kind of CPU.
Thanks for any clarifications.
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The "WebTop" is just a standard Linux X-server, and apps run on it the same way they do on a Linux desktop. On your attached diagram, the X-Server would be at the same level as the Android RT and the Dalvik VM, as would each application running in the webtop. I think that the only webtop thing that would interace with Android would be the dock manager, which starts up the X-server, and the panel that shows the android notifications.
If you bring up lxterminal in the webtop,. sudo to root, then run 'pstree' you can see how the apps running in the webtop are running as close to the kernel as you can possibly get.
Thanks cmcnabb.
So if I run FireFox in WebTop, it's really running on the same instance of linux kernel which is running android, and display is rendered by WebTop the x server? I'm glad to know where's no additional VM involved.
FireFox does't seems to be very responsive in default WebTop. Some WebTop hacks clarim it's much faster there. Is it because the hacks have more efficient x servers?
Saw this article on a Winu Newsletter the other day, if anyone is interested.
What if you want to go the other way around with emulation and run your favorite Android apps on your PC? Well, you can do that too. BlueStacks' App Player is a program that you install on XP, Vista or Windows 7 and then you can run Android apps on it. Over a million people downloaded and installed the alpha version, but the latest version (beta-1) runs many more apps and it's also a free download. Some major companies apparently see the potential for App Player to be a hit, as Qualcomm just recently joined Citrix, AMD and others as an investor in BlueStacks.
Check it out Here:
http://bluestacks.com/
This brings up an interesting idea. What if you ran windows arm on your tablet then used that to run this and used this to run windows arm again and so on. Appception?
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Android apps are java apps so theoretically multi-OS. Some of them need some specific Linux libraries to run. That's probably the goal of this app.
Like Wine in Linux that converts windowsAPI calls in Linux API calls..
Can I use android app on ubuntu Phone?
No. Ubuntu for android would run its own apps I would assume.
pureexe said:
Can I use android app on ubuntu Phone?
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no u cant because ubuntu is without java virtual machine...
I bet the devs will have some way to hack it to be able to run android apps.
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jon7701 said:
I bet the devs will have some way to hack it to be able to run android apps.
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Well I want to be the first one to do it!
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jon7701 said:
I bet the devs will have some way to hack it to be able to run android apps.
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Hey U dont need to hack ubuntu Its open!! So there gonna be some way to run android apps on your phone!
Cant we load up the Android SDK and run stuff that way? I know it would be slower than molasses but its a start....
I would imagine running bluestacks on a windows virtual machine would get the job done.
Ubuntu running Windows running Android on a phone. Crazy!
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mvgadagi said:
no u cant because ubuntu is without java virtual machine...
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Couldn't one just install a Java Virtual Machine?
I think we should wait for sources before starting this kind of discussions.
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I would imagine running bluestacks on a windows virtual machine would get the job done.
Ubuntu running Windows running Android on a phone. Crazy!
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I don't think you would be able to use a Windows because the processor would still be 16 bit
hay just wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
u can install android apps just so easy
install wine for windows emulator
install blue stack throw wine
run android app from wine
but i i think there will be much easy way than that in the future cus the system is not out yet so i think it will easy cus ubuntu or linux in fact is open source
neonlove said:
u can install android apps just so easy
install wine for windows emulator
install blue stack throw wine
run android app from wine
but i i think there will be much easy way than that in the future cus the system is not out yet so i think it will easy cus ubuntu or linux in fact is open source
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Yeah sure x86 apps works completely fine on a arm operating system which we don't even know if there is going to be a full ubuntu running on the background. [/sarcasm]
I think the main goal is running web apps on the OS not java or objective-c, so even if it has some sort of java support it would probably suck.
Android app on Ubuntu should be doable
Looking around it seems android apps don't actually use the android runtime. they are running on a vm called dalvik which itself is forked off of zygote. Both running on the Linux kernel. According to stackoverflow.com/questions/1297678/how-do-i-make-isolated-dalvik dalvik can be compiled separately from android. Shouldn't be too tough. Once I get full up Ubuntu running on my Next9p I'm going to attempt this. It would be nice to get a couple of android apps running on Ubuntu.
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Yeah sure x86 apps works completely fine on a arm operating system which we don't even know if there is going to be a full ubuntu running on the background. [/sarcasm]
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Mark Shuttleworth said that this is the full Ubuntu OS just repolished and trimmed down for mobile.. Btw I think .deb packages will work.
darkforester67 said:
Mark Shuttleworth said that this is the full Ubuntu OS just repolished and trimmed down for mobile.. Btw I think .deb packages will work.
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I hope deb packages will work but I don't expect too much because its still mobile and it's designed to run light and small apps. Of course compiling a kernel for my device, on my device would be very cool but probably not gonna happen
neonlove said:
u can install android apps just so easy
install wine for windows emulator
install blue stack throw wine
run android app from wine
but i i think there will be much easy way than that in the future cus the system is not out yet so i think it will easy cus ubuntu or linux in fact is open source
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WINE is a recursive acronym which stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator. It translates Win32 API calls into Linux API calls, but it does not emulate a different processor architecture. You couldn't use it on an ARM processor to run apps compiled for X86.
Given the shared kernel and drivers and open-source nature, if Canonical releases the Galaxy Nexus images and source in a timely fashion, there will probably be enough developer interest for someone to bring Dalvik to Ubuntu mobile fairly quickly. The question is will it kill developer interest in building truly native apps for the Ubuntu mobile platform.
x86 on ARM
The question is will it kill developer interest in building truly native apps for the Ubuntu mobile platform.
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The attractiveness of Ubuntu on these increasingly powerful "mobile" devices is the millions of applications already available in the repositories (Ubuntu's "app store"). All of which are already free downloads. Granted some of them will be more usable than others on smaller screens. But, given a 10 inch screen or bigger, almost everything should run just fine. Since Ubuntu has only one code base for all of their varying distributions, I'm looking forward to UI and efficiency improvements across the entire platform.
As far as x86 hardware emulation... there are a couple of projects doing some work on implementing at least a subset of the more than 700 x86 instructions as an application level translator. One Russian company (1) has a working translator, albeit a slow one. They expect to be able to release something usable in the next year or so. Also, there is a thread (2) on the winehq mailing list that discussed this very possibility last year. IDK how far it went or whether anyone associated with the wine project is actually working on this or not.
(1) computerworld.com/s/article/9232222/Russian_startup_working_on_x86_to_ARM_software_emulator
(2) winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2011-April/089562.html
Qemu android is really fast with kvm on x86 in emulator. Choosing the custom screen resolution make it looks like SDL game. Can we do the same for arm to emulate android dalvik for apps? It can be just a separate package with android for ubuntu phone if seamless integration is impossible.
Of course you can run Android Apps in your Ubuntu on Android Desktop without Bluestacks or some sort of virtualisation...
Here are the facts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JISeFQ_1QzU 1:15 - Presentation by Canonical as you can see from all the Pictures with the Canonical Logo in the Image Viewer Application.
I did some research and this is what I believe it would be:
apps written for UT (developed with QML)
any linux binaries, given that they are compiled for ARM and that corresponding non-kernel libraries or services that are being used are present in UT
QEMU will help out for x86 versions
android apps: can be run if someone writes an emulator for UT (probably not developed by Canonical)
otherwise there will probably be a way to easily port android apps to UT
windows software: the ARM versions (WinRT) should be able to be run with the ARM version of Wine
for x86 versions QEMU can emulate the x86 environment for the x86 version of Wine to run the software
windows phone: not sure
OSX: through a virtual machine running OSX on top of QEMU
iOS: seems unlikely at the moment
Theoretically UT will be able to run A LOT of software... however, for the non-android and non-UT software it will depend on QEMU, Wine and the hardware of the phone. I'm confident about the hardware part (phones are getting more powerful by the day) and therefore believe that we'll be getting a powerful desktop with a vast selection of software to run when having connected the UT phone to a dock with screen and input devices.
The question for what apps UT can run seem to pop up quite a lot so making this a sticky thread might be a good idea...
I'm not 100% sure about the statements I made above so please do give feedback and suggestions for additional info.
Win8 apps? What?
Fatal1ty_18_RUS said:
Win8 apps? What?
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Well, I guess maybe it should read this:
win8 software compiled for ARM (which should be WinRT software...?) can be emulated with Wine
I'm not too sure about win8 phone apps... suggestions?
It's entirely possible to run x86 windows applications on ARM, see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258506
And the official site
http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
Note that WINE Is Not an Emulator. It just provides an environment that allows windows applications to run on Linux and X.
To get x86 applications to work on ARM you need an emulator, which what qemu is. And the above links are about using Wine and qemu together.
BukaKing said:
It's entirely possible to run x86 windows applications on ARM, see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258506
And the official site
http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
Note that WINE Is Not an Emulator. It just provides an environment that allows windows applications to run on Linux and X.
To get x86 applications to work on ARM you need an emulator, which what qemu is. And the above links are about using Wine and qemu together.
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You're absolutely right... Wine isn't an emulator technically speaking. As I got to know it's also in the name! (WINE stands for: Wine Is Not an Emulator)
Haven't heard about qemu... good to know!
Thanks for the info, I'll update that!
Why develop "bluestacks" for cyanogenmod modification stripped from dalvikVM? Couldn't one just reimplement it in some way?
I uninstalled Ubuntu Touch from my N7 because there were no apps
You don't want to use Wine and all that stuff on a mobile environment, not even if it's docked.. It's not that easy as installing Wine for ARM, or supposedly on an Intel atom powered phone. You want applications that are breed for Ubuntu and Ubuntu only, honestly, you guys ran Windows apps on Wine before and you know it's a real pain (and this is on desktop, imagine on a smartphone)..
Don't get me wrong, it's totally possible but by the time you get all this working and configured you're better off learning QML and making the program from scratch.
So my ancient 1st gen iPad is finally about to die and I've been considering getting an x86 Android tablet. Since Android is written in Java and runs in a VM, I expected x86 to just allow me the option of running more native x86 Linux packages as well as any Android app I want. However, I'm noticing a lot of lists like this one that list all the apps that do and don't work with x86.
Why is that? Does x86 not have a dalvik VM and can only use the NDK or something?