Can I use android app on ubuntu Phone?
No. Ubuntu for android would run its own apps I would assume.
pureexe said:
Can I use android app on ubuntu Phone?
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no u cant because ubuntu is without java virtual machine...
I bet the devs will have some way to hack it to be able to run android apps.
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jon7701 said:
I bet the devs will have some way to hack it to be able to run android apps.
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Well I want to be the first one to do it!
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jon7701 said:
I bet the devs will have some way to hack it to be able to run android apps.
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Hey U dont need to hack ubuntu Its open!! So there gonna be some way to run android apps on your phone!
Cant we load up the Android SDK and run stuff that way? I know it would be slower than molasses but its a start....
I would imagine running bluestacks on a windows virtual machine would get the job done.
Ubuntu running Windows running Android on a phone. Crazy!
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mvgadagi said:
no u cant because ubuntu is without java virtual machine...
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Couldn't one just install a Java Virtual Machine?
I think we should wait for sources before starting this kind of discussions.
thenewshaft said:
I would imagine running bluestacks on a windows virtual machine would get the job done.
Ubuntu running Windows running Android on a phone. Crazy!
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I don't think you would be able to use a Windows because the processor would still be 16 bit
hay just wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
u can install android apps just so easy
install wine for windows emulator
install blue stack throw wine
run android app from wine
but i i think there will be much easy way than that in the future cus the system is not out yet so i think it will easy cus ubuntu or linux in fact is open source
neonlove said:
u can install android apps just so easy
install wine for windows emulator
install blue stack throw wine
run android app from wine
but i i think there will be much easy way than that in the future cus the system is not out yet so i think it will easy cus ubuntu or linux in fact is open source
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Yeah sure x86 apps works completely fine on a arm operating system which we don't even know if there is going to be a full ubuntu running on the background. [/sarcasm]
I think the main goal is running web apps on the OS not java or objective-c, so even if it has some sort of java support it would probably suck.
Android app on Ubuntu should be doable
Looking around it seems android apps don't actually use the android runtime. they are running on a vm called dalvik which itself is forked off of zygote. Both running on the Linux kernel. According to stackoverflow.com/questions/1297678/how-do-i-make-isolated-dalvik dalvik can be compiled separately from android. Shouldn't be too tough. Once I get full up Ubuntu running on my Next9p I'm going to attempt this. It would be nice to get a couple of android apps running on Ubuntu.
leventccc said:
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Yeah sure x86 apps works completely fine on a arm operating system which we don't even know if there is going to be a full ubuntu running on the background. [/sarcasm]
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Mark Shuttleworth said that this is the full Ubuntu OS just repolished and trimmed down for mobile.. Btw I think .deb packages will work.
darkforester67 said:
Mark Shuttleworth said that this is the full Ubuntu OS just repolished and trimmed down for mobile.. Btw I think .deb packages will work.
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I hope deb packages will work but I don't expect too much because its still mobile and it's designed to run light and small apps. Of course compiling a kernel for my device, on my device would be very cool but probably not gonna happen
neonlove said:
u can install android apps just so easy
install wine for windows emulator
install blue stack throw wine
run android app from wine
but i i think there will be much easy way than that in the future cus the system is not out yet so i think it will easy cus ubuntu or linux in fact is open source
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WINE is a recursive acronym which stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator. It translates Win32 API calls into Linux API calls, but it does not emulate a different processor architecture. You couldn't use it on an ARM processor to run apps compiled for X86.
Given the shared kernel and drivers and open-source nature, if Canonical releases the Galaxy Nexus images and source in a timely fashion, there will probably be enough developer interest for someone to bring Dalvik to Ubuntu mobile fairly quickly. The question is will it kill developer interest in building truly native apps for the Ubuntu mobile platform.
x86 on ARM
The question is will it kill developer interest in building truly native apps for the Ubuntu mobile platform.
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The attractiveness of Ubuntu on these increasingly powerful "mobile" devices is the millions of applications already available in the repositories (Ubuntu's "app store"). All of which are already free downloads. Granted some of them will be more usable than others on smaller screens. But, given a 10 inch screen or bigger, almost everything should run just fine. Since Ubuntu has only one code base for all of their varying distributions, I'm looking forward to UI and efficiency improvements across the entire platform.
As far as x86 hardware emulation... there are a couple of projects doing some work on implementing at least a subset of the more than 700 x86 instructions as an application level translator. One Russian company (1) has a working translator, albeit a slow one. They expect to be able to release something usable in the next year or so. Also, there is a thread (2) on the winehq mailing list that discussed this very possibility last year. IDK how far it went or whether anyone associated with the wine project is actually working on this or not.
(1) computerworld.com/s/article/9232222/Russian_startup_working_on_x86_to_ARM_software_emulator
(2) winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2011-April/089562.html
Qemu android is really fast with kvm on x86 in emulator. Choosing the custom screen resolution make it looks like SDL game. Can we do the same for arm to emulate android dalvik for apps? It can be just a separate package with android for ubuntu phone if seamless integration is impossible.
Of course you can run Android Apps in your Ubuntu on Android Desktop without Bluestacks or some sort of virtualisation...
Here are the facts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JISeFQ_1QzU 1:15 - Presentation by Canonical as you can see from all the Pictures with the Canonical Logo in the Image Viewer Application.
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So if this is a stupid question - please be kind.
It seems the Prime has the power to run the full Java instead of the phone based version.
I noticed this the other day when I was trying to run a java video app from within BlackBoard for one of my assignments. I just get a bunch of symbols at the top of the frame and it extends the screen endlessly to the right.
So is adding the full java something that can be done in a new firmware update or be a part of a rooting package of the future? It sure would be nice to take advantage of the power of this tablet by adding the upgraded java.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Am I crazy?
Dalvik is a full JVM, it's just that Android doesn't implement a lot of the Java libraries dedicated to writing desktop apps. It might not be too much work to get, e.g., hidden Java applets running. It would be a lot of work to get Java applications with graphical interfaces working.
I think it'd be cool to run a Minecraft server off my tablet... but that's just me.
Noxious Ninja said:
Dalvik is a full JVM, it's just that Android doesn't implement a lot of the Java libraries dedicated to writing desktop apps. It might not be too much work to get, e.g., hidden Java applets running. It would be a lot of work to get Java applications with graphical interfaces working.
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But this tablet has the horsepower to run it if it were done, correct? I'm just thinking quad core tablet- a GB of ram. Seems like a ripe apple for the developers to add something a little more tricked out in the software now that there is hardware that would support it.
Of course I am not a developer, but my understanding is java is scaled back due to hardware limitations. The Prime is a beast of a tablet. What would it take for this to happen?
redraider II said:
What would it take for this to happen?
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A lot of time and money? Months of work at an absolute minimum. I don't know all the missing APIs, but at least pretty much all the graphics stuff from desktop Java is missing on Android.
Noxious Ninja said:
A lot of time and money? Months of work at an absolute minimum. I don't know all the missing APIs, but at least pretty much all the graphics stuff from desktop Java is missing on Android.
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Oh crap. Well..... I suppose that hope just went out the window.
I am happy with the Prime as it is. I was just curious about the possibilities of taking it to the next level java wise now that there are devices capable of running it.
I see you are in SA, Noxious. I'm just up the road in Austin. Have to come down there every other month or so to Methodist Transplant hospital. Had a liver transplant almost 5 years ago now. Graduated from Judson.
Thanks for your replies.
RedRaider II
You can run Java SE and even a JDK but you lose Android integration. Example: I have JRE/JDK and most of the Android SDK running on mine, in a Debian chroot. All I am missing seems to be a couple x86 C/C++ programs that I don't know where to find the source for, otherwise I could get them ported to ARM and do Android development on my tablet with the usual build system (not what terminal ide does).
But note that if you want to do GUI crap in Java, like AWT/Swing/JWT, then you need the x11/vnc stuff or to push the built code to another machine you can remote into. Running headless Java code is also possible via dalvik (just like the Android SDK does for what goes into .apk files) in some cases but I would not want to test complicated parts of core libs and classpath dancing.
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Run Linux (ARMel or ARMhf) OS ontop of Android and run "ARM_Linux_Moder" from the following link after cloning it to the Linux file system
https://github.com/S0AndS0/Debian-Kit-Mods
Full directions are in readme file and I've a guide on xda and google docs to set up Linux on Android using Debian Kit.
Currently you can run JDK hard or soft float on Android and run almost any .jar file or java program that runs on PC Linux OS's using the scripts provided and install Java dependent software I've tested and scripted installers for.
I'll be working on Android SDK and NDK soon.
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Khyrdantai said:
I think it'd be cool to run a Minecraft server off my tablet... but that's just me.
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I think it would be great too
Saw this article on a Winu Newsletter the other day, if anyone is interested.
What if you want to go the other way around with emulation and run your favorite Android apps on your PC? Well, you can do that too. BlueStacks' App Player is a program that you install on XP, Vista or Windows 7 and then you can run Android apps on it. Over a million people downloaded and installed the alpha version, but the latest version (beta-1) runs many more apps and it's also a free download. Some major companies apparently see the potential for App Player to be a hit, as Qualcomm just recently joined Citrix, AMD and others as an investor in BlueStacks.
Check it out Here:
http://bluestacks.com/
This brings up an interesting idea. What if you ran windows arm on your tablet then used that to run this and used this to run windows arm again and so on. Appception?
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Android apps are java apps so theoretically multi-OS. Some of them need some specific Linux libraries to run. That's probably the goal of this app.
Like Wine in Linux that converts windowsAPI calls in Linux API calls..
I did some research and this is what I believe it would be:
apps written for UT (developed with QML)
any linux binaries, given that they are compiled for ARM and that corresponding non-kernel libraries or services that are being used are present in UT
QEMU will help out for x86 versions
android apps: can be run if someone writes an emulator for UT (probably not developed by Canonical)
otherwise there will probably be a way to easily port android apps to UT
windows software: the ARM versions (WinRT) should be able to be run with the ARM version of Wine
for x86 versions QEMU can emulate the x86 environment for the x86 version of Wine to run the software
windows phone: not sure
OSX: through a virtual machine running OSX on top of QEMU
iOS: seems unlikely at the moment
Theoretically UT will be able to run A LOT of software... however, for the non-android and non-UT software it will depend on QEMU, Wine and the hardware of the phone. I'm confident about the hardware part (phones are getting more powerful by the day) and therefore believe that we'll be getting a powerful desktop with a vast selection of software to run when having connected the UT phone to a dock with screen and input devices.
The question for what apps UT can run seem to pop up quite a lot so making this a sticky thread might be a good idea...
I'm not 100% sure about the statements I made above so please do give feedback and suggestions for additional info.
Win8 apps? What?
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Win8 apps? What?
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Well, I guess maybe it should read this:
win8 software compiled for ARM (which should be WinRT software...?) can be emulated with Wine
I'm not too sure about win8 phone apps... suggestions?
It's entirely possible to run x86 windows applications on ARM, see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258506
And the official site
http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
Note that WINE Is Not an Emulator. It just provides an environment that allows windows applications to run on Linux and X.
To get x86 applications to work on ARM you need an emulator, which what qemu is. And the above links are about using Wine and qemu together.
BukaKing said:
It's entirely possible to run x86 windows applications on ARM, see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258506
And the official site
http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
Note that WINE Is Not an Emulator. It just provides an environment that allows windows applications to run on Linux and X.
To get x86 applications to work on ARM you need an emulator, which what qemu is. And the above links are about using Wine and qemu together.
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You're absolutely right... Wine isn't an emulator technically speaking. As I got to know it's also in the name! (WINE stands for: Wine Is Not an Emulator)
Haven't heard about qemu... good to know!
Thanks for the info, I'll update that!
Why develop "bluestacks" for cyanogenmod modification stripped from dalvikVM? Couldn't one just reimplement it in some way?
I uninstalled Ubuntu Touch from my N7 because there were no apps
You don't want to use Wine and all that stuff on a mobile environment, not even if it's docked.. It's not that easy as installing Wine for ARM, or supposedly on an Intel atom powered phone. You want applications that are breed for Ubuntu and Ubuntu only, honestly, you guys ran Windows apps on Wine before and you know it's a real pain (and this is on desktop, imagine on a smartphone)..
Don't get me wrong, it's totally possible but by the time you get all this working and configured you're better off learning QML and making the program from scratch.
Hey!
We know, that we can't run Android apps on Ubuntu Touch. The UT is a great operating system, but it has a big problem. It doesn't have any "neccessary" or "must have" applications NOW. These apps are the following by the community's opinion: FacebookMessenger, WhatsApp, Google Maps, a browser (like Chrome, Opera mini or Firefox), instagram, etc.
So, I want to know, that we are possible to port these (or any other) Android apps to UT, or not? If the answer is yes, i want to create a team. In this team i want to port Android apps, or create this apps alternatives.
Guess not much up in the forums
Request: Simyo Call Status App [Netherlands]
Hi there,
I haven't been on the xda forums a lot since the end of 2009 I believe but, since Canonical announced Ubuntu Touch this year, I have my reasons to pick up browsing the forums again. The Ubuntu Touch region, specifically.
Now, you were asking if there's any Android Apps to port to Ubuntu Touch.
I have a request that might not be of interest to a lot of people but will get pretty important to me once a 'user version' of Ubuntu Touch is released:
Simyo Netherlands provides an App to check your current "Belstatus" or call status.
This app provides me (on my iPhone) with the current remaining minutes/sms messages and remaining data (megabyte) for the current month within the contract.
Below the link to the Android equivalent in the Play Store, which might be portable to an Ubuntu Touch app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nl.simyo.mijnsimyo
Let me know if this is something you'd be interested in doing.
I might be of some help being a C# programmer, but I still need to check out the Ubuntu Touch SDK (my HTML5 and QML knowledge is poor) and that's something I won't be able to very soon....
frummel said:
I might be of some help being a C# programmer, but I still need to check out the Ubuntu Touch SDK (my HTML5 and QML knowledge is poor) and that's something I won't be able to very soon....
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I have a little bit of C# knowledge, but i'm good in HTML5, so this is a good beginning i think.
DLevai94 said:
I have a little bit of C# knowledge, but i'm good in HTML5, so this is a good beginning i think.
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You can port any already existing apps that are found on Android, you just need the API from the app developers.
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same here.. looking to port my android apps to ubuntu touch, developed using java..
is there some porting apps like Command Tools in Blackberry OS10
srdananjaya said:
same here.. looking to port my android apps to ubuntu touch, developed using java..
is there some porting apps like Command Tools in Blackberry OS10
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No, there's no tool like that for Ubuntu Touch (yet?).
I'd be willing to port my Android apps to Ubuntu touch. Does the work need to be done from scratch? Is there a simpler way to port a java, native, android app to Ubuntu?
I can't contribute anything app-wise, but this sounds like a really good idea; best of luck!
Ubuntu-Touch must LIVE! I have use it and it is cool system. Some problems with applications time to time appeares. And it is very hard find developers for apps. But I think if required apps appeares -- more people move to UT. And first of all that system must use NOT for games.
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Hey!
We know, that we can't run Android apps on Ubuntu Touch. The UT is a great operating system, but it has a big problem. It doesn't have any "neccessary" or "must have" applications NOW. These apps are the following by the community's opinion: FacebookMessenger, WhatsApp, Google Maps, a browser (like Chrome, Opera mini or Firefox), instagram, etc.
So, I want to know, that we are possible to port these (or any other) Android apps to UT, or not? If the answer is yes, i want to create a team. In this team i want to port Android apps, or create this apps alternatives.
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Till last some years UT has some changes. For example appears OpenVPN network manager in a base apps. But unfortunately that feature with unresolved bugs. Also I didn't find any browsers like QupZilla/Mozilla FireFox or Lynx. So As for me we required updated OS for first. And normal browser. Current versions of browsers are unusable. That i big part of work. For that required powerful developers group. I try to compile and run some examples to UT but unfortunately unsuccessful. But I try. Who also try do something but with successful result?
Was just wondering, can either Dalvik or ART be emulated/virtualized on Ubuntu Touch just enough to give it a base to run android apps on? from what i understand, i guess this will have to be done with either QML or HTML5.. i can code in both of them but would need help with the Dalvik or ART part... Any ideas/suggestions?
In theory it might work but have a look at this recent Google Plus comment by a Canonical employee (@mhall119):
we're not going to support running Android code on Ubuntu, it would be impossible to do it well, less alone perfectly. You can run standard Java code by packaging the JRE like Alan suggested, but there's usually going to be a C++ or Javascript alternative library for whatever you used in Java, and that would make for a better app.
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Source: https://plus.google.com/+MichaelHall119/posts/aPPVcxM29fe (highlighting by me)
Additionally, I don't think that Android apps would look good on Ubuntu Touch. The design is completely different.
If you have a look at the link above, you'll see that he is currently working on a way to convert Android xml files to qml though. That will make it easier for developers to make the switch.
Once Ubuntu Touch hits more of the main light I would assume Android Compatibility Layer would be ported. It works well on the HP Touchpad with webOS. And its easy to root ACL.
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