I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
mahdibassam said:
I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
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nope.
dungeon defender hd which was optimized for tegra did not work. samurai 2 does not work either.a real bummer
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nope.
dungeon defender hd which was optimized for tegra did not work. samurai 2 does not work either.a real bummer
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Friut ninja hd, also doesnt work. Says that its optimised for tegra devices only.
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From reading other comments elsewhere it appeared that the Exynos chipset was better than the Tegra 2, or is the Tegra 2 just better in games?...
Tegra games will not work on any other GPU ATM
galaxy s and nexus s PowerVR sgx 540 and other high end GPUs are more than capable of running "tegra 2" games.
Not to mention the tegra 2 really isn't that much faster than the SGS NS sgx540 tegra has two CPU cores and from what i gathered when gaming it dedicated one core for system and the other strictly for games when gaming.
Nvidia is paying off developers just like they do on PC. only difference between mobile and PC though is that PC "nvidia meant to be played" games will still work on ATI
Not the same with other mobile GPUs unfortunately
Nvidia is ruining android by doing this exclusive BS
Also the SGS2 GPU should be on par if not faster than the tegra 2
^ Gotcha thanks!...
Not sure if this has been answered before, but this post seems like a good place for this discussion...
1. Why did samsung launch a phone under two different cpu's...
2. Doesn't this mean that when samsung goes to release an android update for the phone they have to make two different updates, one for each cpu?
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Skycake 21 said:
Not sure if this has been answered before, but this post seems like a good place for this discussion...
1. Why did samsung launch a phone under two different cpu's...
2. Doesn't this mean that when samsung goes to release an android update for the phone they have to make two different updates, one for each cpu?
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1. Probably due to the limited supply of Exynos CPUs
2. No, unless there needs to be a new driver written for the CPU (which is highly unlikely)
Nvidia is just causing some more fragmentation. As if we needed anymore.
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Not only that but AMD is actually getting into the Android hardware game so it's about to get even messier. I hope Google comes out with some kind of DirectX thing to help with this.
well this cant go on forever because HTC sensation also comin out with a different cpu. so we should see the games released in different versions for all dual core phones pretty soon.
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well this cant go on forever because HTC sensation also comin out with a different cpu. so we should see the games released in different versions for all dual core phones pretty soon.
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Wouldnt worry to much about that Most game developers make sure their game run on a wide selection of phones. Addapting a game to run on a new phone is not a lot of work, but increases the market potential. As mentioned before, Nvidia is paying developers to make the game tegra2 only. And luckely Nvidia is the only one doing this so far. A direct X solution for android could be a good medicine against the fragmentation, but I do know a certain hackers community that makes tegra 2 games playable on other devices. (have been playing galaxy on fire 2 for a while now) But XDA doesnt support linking to pirated software so I cannot share this, im sorry. (Google is your friend )
If the range of tegra 2 games will grow, there will be more interest in porting those games. Since its not very hard. Lets hope the hackers destroy the fragmentation haha.
As long as game developers stick to OpenGL ES specifications, all devices will be able to play the game (current). The device with more powerful GPU will obviously play it better.
What Nvidia is doing with Tegra is that they are making the sponsored game developers use the proprietary texture compression format that only Tegra Devices can run. This is what I have against Tegra Zone and Tegra as whole. The last thing we want is Nvidia playing dirty games they tried to play in PC gaming arena (they still do to some extent with PhysX and CUDA ).
So there is no real need to worry about developers having to code the game for each GPU core out there. Sensation might have different GPU but it will be OpenGL ES 2.x compatible just like Mali and others.
mahdibassam said:
I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
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Samsung galaxy s and Desire HD can run tegra game ... why would world's fastest phone cannot run it????
Ur solution here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSAJptywT8Q
Below the video , see description.. he has attached all files needed...
U need to root ur SGS2 and Install chaifire 3d... install nvidia driver.. it will run flawlessly....
here.. .http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087427
http://samsunggalaxysforums.com/showthread.php/4949-Tegra-only-games-now-working-in-SGSII!
Enjoy...
mahdibassam said:
I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
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Yes but you'll need to Root, download Chainfire3D and the NVidia Tegra patch.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090032
I can confirm this works for some games...
These are the games I've tested thus far:
Samurai II: Vengeance runs very well - However their is a bug with opening the combo draw.
Pinball HD for Tegra runs flawlessly
Riptide GP doesn't load at all - Just a black screen and then crash to homescreen.
When I have the money I'll buy the other games later and post results later.
Our phones also use an OpenGL compression which no other phone uses as of this moment, so there is nearly 0 support for it at the moment
EDIT: I forgot to mention this is with the use of Chainfire 3D with the Tegra plugin.
Pinball HD is running even on my Xperia X10 with Chainfire 3d...
Samurai 2 ... runs on low texture but not playable on x10.... but i have seen videos of it running on SGS and Desire HD... so it will run on sgs2 too
Dont know about other games...
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I am a bit of a layman when it comes to GPUs etc, but I am aware that the SGS II will not be able to run tegra applications...
Is anybody able to give the main advantages/disadvantage of the SGS II's GPU in comparison to it having a tegra chip?
Will it cause problems in the future if more power intensive games are coming out for tegra only because of the whole 'tegra zone' thing?
LawAce said:
I am a bit of a layman when it comes to GPUs etc, but I am aware that the SGS II will not be able to run tegra applications...
Is anybody able to give the main advantages/disadvantage of the SGS II's GPU in comparison to it having a tegra chip?
Will it cause problems in the future if more power intensive games are coming out for tegra only because of the whole 'tegra zone' thing?
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Well judging by what Chainfire is doing just now, it won't be non-tegra supporting for much longer
Game devs all want to make money. The galaxy s 2 is going to sell A LOT. So I'm pretty sure we won't have that many games that aren't supported.
A dev would be stupid to not support the s2.
And is ALL open gl benchmarks the s2 does MUCH better than tegra 2 phones.
guys do you know if this phone will be able to play tegra 2 games ?
I guess chainfire3d is an app that lets you spoof the chipset id so software for a certain chip will run on any device. Haven't tried it yet, but it may be what we need. Games may run like crap but only time will tell. App is in the market.
The app requires root and s-off so no way to know for sure until the phone is released and the community finds full root.
do you know when it will be release in europe ? (greece)
i hope it will play tegra 2 games because is good games
This is also a big concern of mine. Im a bit of gamer, so I would love to have the tegra games. I have heard the dual core should help them run smooth.
The Adreno 220 GPU should be able to handle some hits I would imagine. It's too bad games are being developed that only the Tegra can handle that are so fun. Kinda taunt us by putting it in the Market and slapping "Tegra 2 only!" on it.
Chainfire 3D does allow that, but requires root access,
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The Adreno 220 GPU should be able to handle some hits I would imagine. It's too bad games are being developed that only the Tegra can handle that are so fun. Kinda taunt us by putting it in the Market and slapping "Tegra 2 only!" on it.
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Once we get root we will be able to run them no problem.
my Epic 4G ran all the tegra 2 games at full speed and looked great
Does any have an opinion as so the speed between the 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060 va tegra 2.
Seems like all the major players are using tegra 2 but the hp touchpad sports 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060.
Is one chip more costly then the other?
My guess is that the tegra 2 is cheaper thats why the mainstream tablets are using it. But I could be wrong.
Any input?
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Does any have an opinion as so the speed between the 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060 va tegra 2.
Seems like all the major players are using tegra 2 but the hp touchpad sports 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060.
Is one chip more costly then the other?
My guess is that the tegra 2 is cheaper thats why the mainstream tablets are using it. But I could be wrong.
Any input?
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Most of the Honeycomb tablets use Tegra 2 because Honeycomb was primarily built for Tegra 2 much the same way ICS was built primarily for omap 4.
As far as speed goes, with identical clock speed the GPU in the APQ8060 (Adreno 220) is twice as fast as the one in Tegra, while Tegra has a slightly faster CPU. They average out to be even.
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i will tell you something graphic drivers in android are big problem and google cant do anything about it as the number of devices are too many,i mean to say they cant optimize it as it is in the control of oems and there is the problem as most oems dont have great developers you get scrap drivers on the chipset, you can see tegra drivers on 1 and 2 are not so great, i have notion ink and touchpad alpha 3 the flash videos in touchpad alpha are great with no stuttering but in notion ink there is so much stuttering while playing.coz tegra is new where is qualcomm has been around for longtime and they know much better than nvidia in optimizing their drivers.this is where apple is much better than google as they have a single chipset to optimize and no oems to worry about so their products come with optimized drivers and work great.i wish there was a way oems could collaborate on their drivers with google so it would work great for android in terms of the os delivery for all
Why is this in development for :s
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Why is this in development for :s
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A very simple example: Tegra 2 can't play 1080 video, Qualcomm APQ8060 can play flawlessly
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Thank you for this.....
hakkinenvthh said:
A very simple example: Tegra 2 can't play 1080 video, Qualcomm APQ8060 can play flawlessly
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There is a guy who thinks he knows more about tablets than most ppl. He's very annoying with the information that he does have. I came across an HP TouchPad and loaded the CM9 Nightly build and was talking about the difference between a device that had the Tigra 2. He was trying to tell me that the Tigra 2 was better but I couldn't find a difference. So now I can go back and show him what I've never even noticed (except for the fact that I think my video is better) seeing as there is a lack of games that are working on ICS 4.0.4 I'm not able to show him anything that looks good. I cant get any HD games working.
If you can let me know what the most compatible game packages I should be looking for with the HP Touch 32 GB please let me know. I've tried just about everything even the Samsung Galaxy II. I get all the way to the game and it just closes.
adreno 220 GPU its 2x more powerful than tegra 2 GPU,
and if you overclocked the touchpad CPU at 1.8ghz will be 50‰ more faster
I've over clocked to 1.5Ghz and she's smooth as a whistle. I'm noticing that none none of the HD games r working is there an update as to when that maybe fixed ? Or am I just using the wrong install files... I've got some HD games for some of my other devices I would love to pay them on this new system :beer:
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ShadowTech2008 said:
I've over clocked to 1.5Ghz and she's smooth as a whistle. I'm noticing that none none of the HD games r working is there an update as to when that maybe fixed ? Or am I just using the wrong install files... I've got some HD games for some of my other devices I would love to pay them on this new system :beer:
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what custom rom use?
because on my touchpad i can play every new and old hd games
I'm using the nightly build 4.0.4 CM9.
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OK the latest update.... I'm not sure what happened or why the games were not working. However after restarting the system (after installing the game) it worked... not sure why.... thanks to everyone for all your help and hard work... I'm wondering when the expected fix for the camera will be out. It will be nice to use Skype on this :beer:
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CPU wise tegra is better just for the fact that they are using a9 cores and the s3 snapdragon uses scorpion cores which are more closely related to the a8. S3 snapdragon @ 1.5 ghz is less than or equal to an a9 based processor running @ 1 GHz.
GPU goes to the snapdragon as its a lot more powerful GPU than the geforce GPU in the tegra... however there is much much more high end games that are tuned in to work with the tegra GPU so in real world performance its about a wash. Do you prefer performance or compatibility.
The one spot that the snapdragon processor shines is battery life. Going back to the s3 running @ 1.5 GHz and the a9 based SoC running @ 1 GHz you'll actually see better battery life from the s3 as the cores are more power efficient, but in the end your not really going to notice the difference unless you plan on playing 1080p videos which is a little bit pointless seeing as our screen isn't even 720p and 1080p video takes up a lot of space.
Long story short its pretty much a wash barring the 1080p video.
Edited because of damn auto correct!
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is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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Helmut_TuT_GuT said:
is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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I don't use chain fire. I'm just using the adreno drivers. Also to spoof as another device u will have to edit your build props. Make sure u do a full backup and backup your build.props
You can use rom toolbox.
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ShadowTech2008 said:
I don't use chain fire. I'm just using the adreno drivers. Also to spoof as another device u will have to edit your build props. Make sure u do a full backup and backup your build.props
You can use rom toolbox.
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This is a useful step by step guide from Reverend Kyle .
http://www.reverendkyle.com/index.php/articles/107-how-to-edit-the-build-prop-file-in-android .
Build.prop Editor (available in play store) is a great way to edit your build.prop. it automatically stores a backup every time you edit as well.
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Helmut_TuT_GuT said:
is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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You can spoof a tegra 2 GPU but not a tegra 3 GPU with chain fire.
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do ihave just to spoof the build or do i have also to install chainfire.?
Helmut_TuT_GuT said:
do ihave just to spoof the build or do i have also to install chainfire.?
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If your spoofing the GPU then you will need chainfire. If your just doing what I'm doing and simply spoofing the market to games built for the adreno GPU then just edit your build.props
I'm spoofing the market to think I'm a galaxy s2 or Motorola Xoom. They both have the same CPU. Galaxy S2 uses the Tegra 2 signature and the Motorola Xoom uses the Adreno signature. Both of these spoofs do not require me to have the chainfire program. I did install the adreno drivers linked to the original install post.
I'm thinking I going to start to play around with the chainfire GPU spoof options more for game download compatibility. As far as downloading and installing a Tegra 2 game, you will need to spoof the GPU for the download (unless you manually find the correct apk) and the install will also need the GPU spoof. Once the install is done then disable the GPU spoof. Then run the game with your Galaxy spoof or your Xoom spoof.
Please note that I've spoofed my build.props and have not changed it since. I'm currently showing my device as a Motorola Xoom. I'm able to play all the games. Only every now and than do I change it for the game install. Then i put it back and I have no issues. HD games and all.
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As the topic says which is better?
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mali 400...
I havent tested mali, but the downside with tegra 2 is that they say that nvidia haven't released the source code, leaving developers fumbling in darkness. I have an LG Optimus 2X with tegra 2 gpu, and I really like the smoothness and quickness of my graphics. I haven't seen any graphical problems yet, though I have played lots of demanding games.
You could check these out: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked and http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/.
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You could check these out: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked and http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/.
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Thx bro.
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That was Anandtech Feb 2011 benchmark.
I admit those scores also misled me for the longest time, which is what brought me to purchase a Tegra 2 tablet. Then after a while, seeing that there is little gaming support for Tegra 2 (couldn't even run Dead Space, and Real Racing 2 ran like a dog), I fell out of that wagon pretty fast and got an iPad 2, which ran basically ANYTHING, and freaking hell smoothly I might add.
Now I got to play with a friend's Galaxy that comes with a Mali 400MP. What amazes me is that it can run NOVA 3 relatively well, whereas Tegra 2 version can't even show you any shader effects, that is, if you get it to run at all. So after some more Googling, I found another benchmark from Anandtech that claims a totally different thing. Have yourself a look.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
Now if you base your performance on the first 2 graphs, of course you'd think the Tegra 2 is so much faster than Mali 400MP. But hang on, scroll down a little further, and you'll see how wrong you are. For on every graph that follows, Mali 400MP freaking hands the other players their asses! All except Flash, which it ties with Tegra 2.
i think they are performing close together, any rumor? no i dont think so,
These Benchmarks are only theoretical values.
I'm running my Sony Xperia P which contains a cutted Mali400 with Chainfire3d fired up with Nvidia Plugin so i'm able to play the Tegra 2 Games and they are smooth like Hell even with 4xMSAA.
So Benchmarks are one Hand but real feel Values are the better one Solution to mention about Performance
(Xperia P has only 1Core Mali400MP the SGSII has 4Core Mali400MP4)
And how does that contradict what I said about Tegra 2 vs Mali 400MP? Mali 400MP > Tegra 2, totally contrary to what a lot of people have asserted on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977412
And if you're a Tegra fan looking for more aggravation, just look up "tegra 2 NOVA3" and watch a few videos, and watch a few videos of how Mali 400 runs the same game.
Tegra 2
But mali400 have support more than tegra 2 video codecs
I was wondering if it's possible to use Chainfire3D to run Tegra 3 games on the SIII. I'd try it but I don't have an SIII yet.
I too am wondering this, or if it is any possibillity to make an app like chainfire 3d which allows us to run tegra 3 specific games on our samesung galaxy s III.
Mali-400 has the ower, but tegra 3 has the game compabillity.
chainfire 3D runs perfectly on my SIII and it smoothly runs Fruit ninja, Riptide HD and Samurai II
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chainfire 3D runs perfectly on my SIII and it smoothly runs Fruit ninja, Riptide HD and Samurai II
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What settings do you use on Chainfire ? I keep getting the device not supported message on Samurai II and other games
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Edit : wrong plugin loaded =)
Yeah I am trying to get Shadowgun the tegra 3 version to run but no joy, the sgs 2 is able to run it with chainfire3d.
The aforementioned games aren't Tegra exclusives any more.Try running the THD version of ShadowGun,Renaissance Blood,Glowball for Tegra 3 etc,they won't play even with CF3D.Unless someone makes a Tegra 3 plugin,or unless Chainfire manages to do his magic to crap all over NVidia's crappy chipset,the S3 unfortunately won't be able to play Tegra 3 titles.
That is 50% of why I hate NVidia so much.The other 50% is the fact that they haven't even managed to directly compete against anyone.Their chipsets are so crappy at a short time after the release,even if they make us drool at first,that they aren't even worth the money.
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That is 50% of why I hate NVidia so much.The other 50% is the fact that they haven't even managed to directly compete against anyone.Their chipsets are so crappy at a short time after the release,even if they make us drool at first,that they aren't even worth the money.
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I personally love nvidia, for their desktop GPUs that is