Hi,
maybe it is a stupid question, but how do they (verizon) technically find out that someone tether over 3G, when you have a unlimited data plan (3G) and use 3G normaly from your phone to download? What is the difference between the data that comes over 3G when I download the same pdf to phone or over wifi/3G tether to the iPad ? It makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your answers
The amount of data you use is one method. The other is that they are building in tethering monitoring to the kernels that sends a message to the system that you're tethering.
I know for the DX/D2 the leak of GB from Verizon actually had a tether detection and every time you tried to tether, weather it was barnicle or wireless tether it would redirect you to Verizons website and asked if you wanted to tether to pay another fee ....idk if it will happen with this phone is VZ does decide to push out a GB for us ...
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JeezyMT3G said:
I know for the DX/D2 the leak of GB from Verizon actually had a tether detection and every time you tried to tether, weather it was barnicle or wireless tether it would redirect you to Verizons website and asked if you wanted to tether to pay another fee ....idk if it will happen with this phone is VZ does decide to push out a GB for us ...
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The Fascinate has "hidden" tether protection that we have bypassed thanks to the kernel sources, but it is there in the stock kernel.
imnuts said:
The amount of data you use is one method. The other is that they are building in tethering monitoring to the kernels that sends a message to the system that you're tethering.
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So there is a program that work in the background sending data to the carrier when you use Wifi and 3G at the same time ?
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So there is a program that work in the background sending data to the carrier when you use Wifi and 3G at the same time ?
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Either a program/service within the framework, or a special command/method is used to notify the network that you're tethering.
But if we are using a ROM such as Evil Fascination or Community then they wouldn't be able to tell because of the custom kernels that come with them right?
Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
Thanks for the information, its very interesting . If I am understand it right, there is a part of it in the ROM and a second in the kernel. They have to work together, if one of the parts missing like in a custom kernel it prevent the phone from sending ?
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Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
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Even if you're using verizon's 3G mobile hotspot app? Or do you have to download a different wireless tethering app? (Which we can't cause verizon blocked all of them from the market lol)
Wifi tethering apps aren't hidden in the market for me....
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Wifi tethering apps aren't hidden in the market for me....
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No apps are hidden ....only one that was taken off was Wireless Tether and thats was a long time ago ...the rest are still there
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Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
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I work for an indirect sales and have access to Verizon and ill test to see if Verizon recognizes any tethering downloads...I know they can definitely tell whats tethered and whats not....will report back with confirmation tomorrow
edit:will test CM and Stock just to see how much is visible to them
rebirthan1x said:
Hi,
maybe it is a stupid question, but how do they (verizon) technically find out that someone tether over 3G, when you have a unlimited data plan (3G) and use 3G normaly from your phone to download? What is the difference between the data that comes over 3G when I download the same pdf to phone or over wifi/3G tether to the iPad ? It makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your answers
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I know from working on a customers account that info your asking is clearly defined under current usage tab in our system...it divides the data used into smartphone usage and tethered usage...assuming they considered tether in the sense of hardwired and wireless...yes it is crazy what we can see from your phone reporting to us....will the system know? yes....will someone at verizon care? probably, are they going to pick thru every little customers account who has EVER tether and charge them? probably not....just dont poke the bear and you'll be fine...
mkzbdroid said:
I work for an indirect sales and have access to Verizon and ill test to see if Verizon recognizes any tethering downloads...I know they can definitely tell whats tethered and whats not....will report back with confirmation tomorrow
edit:will test CM and Stock just to see how much is visible to them
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....and what is the difference?
mkzbdroid said:
I know from working on a customers account that info your asking is clearly defined under current usage tab in our system...it divides the data used into smartphone usage and tethered usage...assuming they considered tether in the sense of hardwired and wireless...yes it is crazy what we can see from your phone reporting to us....will the system know? yes....will someone at verizon care? probably, are they going to pick thru every little customers account who has EVER tether and charge them? probably not....just dont poke the bear and you'll be fine...
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hopefully they dont change it where that tethered usage is automatically added to your bill. im on comm rom so it shouldnt affect me but those that arent should be careful or consider a custom rom
from what I had read at one time on ATT's tethering crackdown, the system was easily able to tell due to one little piece... the TTL.
here's a quote and more info on it... probably pertains to verizon as well.
For all you wondering how they can tell:
All IP packets have something called a TTL associated with them. It stands for Time To Live. Every "hop" along the network from one router to the next reduces the TTL by one. When it reaches 0, the packet is dropped. This was introduced to keep routing problems from overloading the network. If for example, by some error a packet was going around in a circular path, the TTL would eventually reach 0 and prevent a packet storm.
The thing is, ALL routing devices do this. OSes use standard TTLs. For example, let's say both your iPhone and laptop use 127 for the TTL. AT&T will receive packets from your iPhone with a TTL of 127, but since the packets from your laptop pass through your iPhone first, they arrive at AT&T with a TTL of 126. They can detect a tethered device this way.
EDIT: Some people below have suggested changing the default TTL of their tethered device (which is possible). I would just like to point out that the max TTL allowed is 255, and if the iPhone uses 255 as its default TTL, well there's no way you can set it to 256.
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I'm not sure if our android tethering apps take this into account and change the TTL of the traffic on the fly or not... would be interesting to test out though...
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Was in the coffee shop and started talking to a guy about internet access. It got us thinking, has anyone been successful in getting their internet stick to work on the Gtab?
dvus said:
Was in the coffee shop and started talking to a guy about internet access. It got us thinking, has anyone been successful in getting their internet stick to work on the Gtab?
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As far as I know, doesn't work yet with the TNT Lite or Vegan ROMs. People have reported that the USB 3G devices power up, but there's no 3G support that appears, presumably because of lack of kernel support. If Viewsonic releases kernel source though, I'm sure that within a few weeks you'll see ROMs here that have USB 3G support built in, since I know Linux drivers exist for these devices.
I use the Overdrive from Sprint. It creates a Wifi hotspot
Works great
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Was in the coffee shop and started talking to a guy about internet access. It got us thinking, has anyone been successful in getting their internet stick to work on the Gtab?
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I felt that was the way to go as well. I had 2 clear 4g usb sticks and upgraded one to the clearspot wifi router. Other than that I just turn the wifi on my phone and tether it that way.
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The kernel sees my CDMA modem but there is no 'app' to control them. The issue is no app not the kernel.
I find these usb stick posts funny. I would figure a majority of gtab owners have an android phone. And so... I would also assume the phones are rooted.
If this is the case just use a WiFi tether application on your phones. Some of the newer versions even work as access points and not just ad hoc networks.
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I find these usb stick posts funny. I would figure a majority of gtab owners have an android phone. And so... I would also assume the phones are rooted.
If this is the case just use a WiFi tether application on your phones. Some of the newer versions even work as access points and not just ad hoc networks.
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Yeah thats what I Do. Im using a free wifi hotspot with my Samsung Fascinate. works great on the go.
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I use the Overdrive from Sprint. It creates a Wifi hotspot
Works great
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yeah I plug my sprint evo 4 g into my tab to keep it charged and turn on the sprint wi-fi app (via myn's warm mod)
works really well this way since its infrastructure mode
Hmmm.... thanks guys, it's a wait and see thing then, either app or kernal support.
I have the Huawei E181 stick on Wind mobile up here in Canada but don't have data on the phone so tethering or WiFi hotspot's not an option for me unfortunately.
It would have been really cool to set it up like you guys and have internet on the go.
cuzzinz said:
I find these usb stick posts funny. I would figure a majority of gtab owners have an android phone. And so... I would also assume the phones are rooted.
If this is the case just use a WiFi tether application on your phones. Some of the newer versions even work as access points and not just ad hoc networks.
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Nope, not everyone has an android phone to tether. I do have a sprint 3g/4g usb stick I would love to get working though. And no, not interested in a smart phone, with web, and email, it's a cell phone, all I need it to do, is allow me to call people, and recieve calls. I don't even have text enabled,because I hate txting.
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Nope, not everyone has an android phone to tether. I do have a sprint 3g/4g usb stick I would love to get working though. And no, not interested in a smart phone, with web, and email, it's a cell phone, all I need it to do, is allow me to call people, and recieve calls. I don't even have text enabled,because I hate txting.
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You think you've got it bad, try finding a way to tether to a Blackberry....
While I could tether my N1 to my GTab I would prefer to use my SierraWireless USB 308 stick with the device for internet connectivity.
As I have "virtually" unlimited DATA with the stick (where mass DATA consumption is allowed) as opposed to my N1 which while on an unlimited DATA plan is not supposed to be used for tethering. I do use my N1 as a WiFi hotspot from time to time but I prefer to keep that to a minimum, in case at&t Mobility decides to get snarky and take away my unlimited plan and substitute it for a 2Gb plan.
Dan
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The kernel sees my CDMA modem but there is no 'app' to control them. The issue is no app not the kernel.
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Hey was trying to get my sierra wireless 598U CDMA modem to work. take a look at this post there are some linux scripts for dialing the modem that may help you out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9833753&postcount=12
http://sierrawireless.custhelp.com/...ting-system-?-(-v.1.7.34)#Driver_Installation
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I find these usb stick posts funny. I would figure a majority of gtab owners have an android phone. And so...
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Not everybody, I have corporate Blackberry with virtually unlimited data plan, why wouldn't I use it? ha?
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Nope, not everyone has an android phone to tether. I do have a sprint 3g/4g usb stick I would love to get working though. And no, not interested in a smart phone, with web, and email, it's a cell phone, all I need it to do, is allow me to call people, and recieve calls. I don't even have text enabled,because I hate txting.
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Texting takes much less time than taking a call.
Someone calls you have to 1) stop what you are doing. 2)hold the phone 3)in some cases get up and walk out of your office (if you work in a cubicle).
Who has the time?
Some one texts and i can answer in one or two sentences and through down the phone and keep working. Plus answering can be done at a time of MY chosing, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 30 minutes later. Dont have to STOP what im doing at that moment to take the call. Call me you get voice mail and a return call 5 hours later when im done at work. Text me you get a response in less than half an hour....
Just saying.....
FRANKLY, when i hear peopke say they hate texting i always think "man, i wish i had the kind of time to waste as you do" ha ha
Allenfx said:
Texting takes much less time than taking a call.
FRANKLY, when i hear peopke say they hate texting i always think "man, i wish i had the kind of time to waste as you do" ha ha
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hit a button at my ear, Say "Call (insert name here)" and have a 10s conversation
to fulfill all the the Q&A that I would have taken a dozen txts or more to complete.
and I can do it while I'm driving without fear of a ticket.
dido, although for me it's a Videotron stick and a XOOM ... would be epic.
Hey all -
My friend just bought an HTC Rezound to with a 2GB (4GB due to their current promo) data plan. He plans on using it as his main internet connection at his house over the summer because up there, they don't have cable internet or DSL available. Anyone have any input on what the best setup (ROM wise and app wise) would be for him to achieve this? I'm a little worried because I've seen some people saying Verizon can charge you for teathering (I'm currently on Sprint and have never had this problem on a rooted device) even if you use are rooted and use a 3rd party app. Is that true? If he has a custom rooted ROM, and uses something like android wi-fi teather, he should be fine right? How could they tell the data is going to a desktop vs. being displayed through his phones browser?
Anyone?
10char
I really don't think you can tether for free with any of the ROMs out now. I just came from a droid 3 and could tether after hacking the radio, but haven't seen anything like that for the rezound. Tethering does come in handy once in a while. Anyone have any success tethering for free?
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I really don't think you can tether for free with any of the ROMs out now. I just came from a droid 3 and could tether after hacking the radio, but haven't seen anything like that for the rezound. Tethering does come in handy once in a while. Anyone have any success tethering for free?
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I believe there are at least two threads that deal with this at xda, so search "rezound wifi tether" on Google and you should get many hits. Search is your friend.
However, the long and the short is, GB ROMs will allow adhoc wifi tethering and ICS ROMs allow infrastructure tethering.
If you don't understand the difference, I wouldn't suggest messing with your friend's Rezound until you've done some research.
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There are currently no wifi hotspot hacks to allow what your friend is looking for. If he's smart he'll pay for wifi hotspot and get unlimited data in the process(plenty of info on that). Otherwise as stated above, ad-hoc tether is available for GB and infrastructure tether for ICS.
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There are currently no wifi hotspot hacks to allow what your friend is looking for. If he's smart he'll pay for wifi hotspot and get unlimited data in the process(plenty of info on that). Otherwise as stated above, ad-hoc tether is available for GB and infrastructure tether for ICS.
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So are you saying that VZW can tell if you use ad-hoc or infrastructure tether? I canceled my mhs because it was basically useless. Haven't asked for a refund since I figured I was getting what I paid for a little at a time and I thought they didn't know...
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So are you saying that VZW can tell if you use ad-hoc or infrastructure tether? I canceled my mhs because it was basically useless. Haven't asked for a refund since I figured I was getting what I paid for a little at a time and I thought they didn't know...
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Nope, I was just saying that there isn't a hack for free MHS. You can only do 1-to-1 device tethering without MHS. As far as we currently know ad-hoc and infrastructure tethering is still not detectable.
I know At&t was pulling "We know you are tethering" claims with all the iPhone users when I was with them. That said I don't see how they could claim this with android with the option to use Firefox+Phony to change how you see the webpage.
I tether all the time for free
I am wondering what people are doing for furthering with regards to protecting themselves. I guess most of this stems from a fear of losing my unlimited data plan. Ideally, I would like to tether over a VPN connection to encrypt all my data from anyone even seeing what type it is....but since the default pptp VPN on android does not allow you to browse over VPN from a tethered client, I am wondering what people are doing (if anything) to protect themselves.
Nothing, straight tether
Spoof mobile user agent string on client
ROM that has the kernel changed to allow browsing over pptp VPN connection
Browsing over L2tp VPN
I usually tether with USB, and that's supposed to be more discreet. I've thought about using WiFi tether, but I don't see the point unless I'm trying to connect multiple devices, then I would have to consider finding something to cover up that many devices.
I use Verizon hotspot since I don't care about unlimited data and saved a ton of money switching to the share everything plan....
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Po1soNNN said:
I use Verizon hotspot since I don't care about unlimited data and saved a ton of money switching to the share everything plan....
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Lol....funniest thing I've read today..
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I use Verizon hotspot since I don't care about unlimited data and saved a ton of money switching to the share everything plan....
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I did, too. But then I switched to an iPhone because it's more open and has better development.
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I did, too. But then I switched to an iPhone because it's more open and has better development.
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You guys crack me up
But, anyway. If you're using WiFi Tether, can't you just set a security key?
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But, anyway. If you're using WiFi Tether, can't you just set a security key?
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Yes. That is a great point to secure from nearby users. Most programs allow you to use a WiFi password.
Im also wondering how people are handling the "safety" of verizon detecting people tethering when they still have unlimited data and are using something other than the mobile hotspot.
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But, anyway. If you're using WiFi Tether, can't you just set a security key?
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The funny thing is i actually did switch....
haha but yeah its pretty secure
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Yes. That is a great point to secure from nearby users. Most programs allow you to use a WiFi password.
Im also wondering how people are handling the "safety" of verizon detecting people tethering when they still have unlimited data and are using something other than the mobile hotspot.
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From what I understand it's like it's run through a proxy. So I guess as long as you don't tether 10GB in a month they won't pay much attention.
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From what I understand it's like it's run through a proxy. So I guess as long as you don't tether 10GB in a month they won't pay much attention.
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Are you saying than any tethering done from any tethering app (in my case "WiFi tether") runs through a proxy and that makes it undetectable by verizon?
I have not understood it to be that way. From what I understand, when you tether, unless you match the user agent string of your mobile browser, the packets/data can be detected by Verizon and they can potentially terminate your contract for violating its terms. When you use a VPN all of the data is encrypted and therefore there is no way for Verizon to detect the tethering.
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Are you saying than any tethering done from any tethering app (in my case "WiFi tether") runs through a proxy and that makes it undetectable by verizon?
I have not understood it to be that way. From what I understand, when you tether, unless you match the user agent string of your mobile browser, the packets/data can be detected by Verizon and they can potentially terminate your contract for violating its terms. When you use a VPN all of the data is encrypted and therefore there is no way for Verizon to detect the tethering.
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Wait, I just remembered...What's it matter? The FCC just slapped Verizon with a huge fine and told them they can't stop customers from tethering/can't charge them, correct?
Ive tethered with pdanet n wifi tether for two years now, tethered more than ten gigs....no issues yet
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Wait, I just remembered...What's it matter? The FCC just slapped Verizon with a huge fine and told them they can't stop customers from tethering/can't charge them, correct?
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Link please? That would be awesome!
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woolster22 said:
Link please? That would be awesome!
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/31/verizon-to-stop-blocking-tethering-apps-settles-with-fcc-for-1/
Here ya go.
Usually PDANet for myself, Wifi Tether for my iPhone friends :highfive:
Just tether we all do it and there is nothing to worry about unless u hit Luke 10 gb all the time or more
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Yeah, don't stress it. WiFi Tether away!
When I moved into my new house last year, it took a few days to get my internet squared away. I just tethered off my phone, and the whole family had reliable internet (as long as I was home, of course). Just make sure your brightness is down and you are plugged into a charger, cuz it drains a battery quick, and the phone will get pretty hot.
PdaNet and USB tether, here. Simple setup, secure, and has built-in cloaking of tether usage.
I just don't get why WiFi tether is such a big deal, unless you want to give away your bandwidth to other people (if you don't use security and password protect). Using USB tether keeps the phone charged while tethering, and is the most secure. Win-win-win situation, if you ask me.
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PdaNet and USB tether, here. Simple setup, secure, and has built-in cloaking of tether usage.
I just don't get why WiFi tether is such a big deal, unless you want to give away your bandwidth to other people (if you don't use security and password protect). Using USB tether keeps the phone charged while tethering, and is the most secure. Win-win-win situation, if you ask me.
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It's quite easy to secure, plugging into a wall charges it better, and you don't have to install any software or drivers on the device you are trying to tether. Win, win, and win for me.
As for the overall topic, I don't do anything other than run Wifi Tether. Currently, we're tethering the whole house because our uVerse is out of service after a storm.
[Q] tethering caught with fox fi- with proxy
i have been a big fan of tethering since my old iPhone days.
the switch to android has been a big step and i am not telling anyone to tether so please don't abuse this.
i used foxfi with proxy for about 4 months until last night. got a email from AT&t stating that i would be moved to a tethering plan for 65 dollars more a month and one less gig than i had before. so for all those that use foxfi with proxy, it doesn't work. i know pda net dosent work from friend who also got a letter, before me.
so i am stuck .. no more tethering for me.. i am actually retiring from it. but i still keep the option on my phone if such an emergency arises.
hears where i am asking for the opinions of the xda members. i am not sure how at&t knows, but they did, and it doesn't make sense that they scan all every packet of data. any ideas how they know?
i did do one thing that i found hidden on my samsung notei717. under network settings it only shows ONE apn. but... if you download a apn-manager it shows a hidden APN-att-entitlement. is this how they know? i thought it was only used for people who pay for tethering? is it also used to track tethering?
i ended up using a sql editor and removed the line for this APN from the(/data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/telephony.db) rebooted phone and now its gone, phone works well and i havent seen any problems yet. ( i did make a copy if anyone wants to see the original)
might anyone in here have any ideas of how at&t knew ?
i am more curious if anything.. even my wife told me, that i have a big enough screen, just use it as a computer from now on.
was it this APN that gave it away? (i tethered a android tablet for internet and games)
I'm on T-Mobile and have been caught tethering, I use chrome extension user-agent switcher. Choose the Android user-agent. If some pages require IE then just precede with HTTPS.
Try it.
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Another thought you could use the tether, establish a VPN tunnel to a home machine and then use the internet that way. it'll encapsulate your traffic from your laptop to your home PC so AT&T could see is traffic but not what and where. From what I've read it's either 1 of 2 ways how AT&T detect if you're tethering:
1) by detecting what type of response headers and ports your connecting on. A VPN tunnel would protect you.
2) the other rumor is that by using a tethering program (or one that's built in for that matter) uses a tethering specific APN which AT&T tracks that way. So in theory if you could specify which APN you use for tethering that would protect you.
I haven't wanted to test out these theories because I have unlimited plan and don't want to risk it.
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Another thought you could use the tether, establish a VPN tunnel to a home machine and then use the internet that way. it'll encapsulate your traffic from your laptop to your home PC so AT&T could see is traffic but not what and where. From what I've read it's either 1 of 2 ways how AT&T detect if you're tethering:
1) by detecting what type of response headers and ports your connecting on. A VPN tunnel would protect you.
2) the other rumor is that by using a tethering program (or one that's built in for that matter) uses a tethering specific APN which AT&T tracks that way. So in theory if you could specify which APN you use for tethering that would protect you.
I haven't wanted to test out these theories because I have unlimited plan and don't want to risk it.
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i have deleted the alternate APN ( which is hidden even from root users) so i am not sure if that is it.
is it possible to alter the TTL ? and if so how?
- also how would i tweak my note to use a VPN?
mac1845427 said:
i have deleted the alternate APN ( which is hidden even from root users) so i am not sure if that is it.
is it possible to alter the TTL ? and if so how?
- also how would i tweak my note to use a VPN?
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Personally I'd handle the VPN on the laptop/computer instead of the phone itself. Inherently there's an overhead for a VPN and requires processing power which would slow down your throughput on your phone if the phone was handling that.
Here's a link that has a decent walk through if you want to use the phone for the VPN.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smartphones/securely-connect-your-android-smartphone-via-vpn/3321
What APN did you delete? can you post the values of it? Also why do you want to change your TTL?
I do not know how at &t does it, but a friend was one of the first owner of a 10" tablet with internal 3g years ago. His provider accused him doing tethering.
We assumed that they check the screen resolution of the browser which some web sites use to optimise the layout.
After short discussion, he could convince them and they droped the case.
Not that I'm in any way knowledgeable in the context of this topic, but when you mentioned the alteration and/or deletion of hidden APN data...
Bear in mind that a stock GB build for the ATT note, contains 1352 separate APN's....
And I'm not sure if the hidden file will capture the additional data or not to prevent detection, but I thought I'd post anyway just in case it helps at all ...g
Edit : I can't say for sure where these APN logs are stored or how/when they are accessed, but I know they exist as they can be seen when backing or restoring the GB or ICS UCLF6 Builds when tracking the line by line process.
Good luck to you gentlemen, I have nothing else to offer on the subject ....sorry ....g
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I do not know how at &t does it, but a friend was one of the first owner of a 10" tablet with internal 3g years ago. His provider accused him doing tethering.
We assumed that they check the screen resolution of the browser which some web sites use to optimise the layout.
After short discussion, he could convince them and they droped the case.
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If that's the case, that sort of data can be masked by a VPN tunnel. But I think it's a little more complex than that because there's quite a few tablets on AT&T now.
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If that's the case, that sort of data can be masked by a VPN tunnel. But I think it's a little more complex than that because there's quite a few tablets on AT&T now.
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Sure, they will have improved their detection, but it will be based on fingerprinting for the traffic of commonly used desktop applications. VPN will avoid this, but using VPN all the time might be suspiscious per se.
xblosa said:
Sure, they will have improved their detection, but it will be based on fingerprinting for the traffic of commonly used desktop applications. VPN will avoid this, but using VPN all the time might be suspiscious per se.
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Agreed, it would look suspicious, but suspicion isn't enough to warrant AT&T to switch your account.
I got the email from AT&T about a year ago warning me about tethering and I called the number and she said their system looks for many thing and throws up red flags when it can prove you are tethering. She said they have to have proof before they can warn people. I was using my device to tether an iPod touch and she told me the reason I was caught was because I had downloaded apps from the App Store on an I device but my sim card was never shown to be inside an Idevice. It was crazy because I used several devices to tether for at least three years without being caught and within a week of using the iPod I was caught.
How dare we use the services we pay for! Such arrogance I have never seen to think att shouldn't be able to double dip. Vote Romney 2012 and deregulate more!
I got a warning once after watching Netflix... on my phone. They're usually bull****.
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Earlier this month, I was on vacay and decided to use my phone to tether to my laptop (wasnt going to pay $12 at the hotel for damn sure), and I forgot and left it on thru one night. I didn't really "tether" per say, I turned my phone to a hotspot actually and it's not like my internet usage was higher than normal neither.
Why does at&t trip when you gotta pay anyway? (if no unlimited plan of course)
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Why does at&t trip when you gotta pay anyway? (if no unlimited plan of course)
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Well because AT&T wants to get you for every single penny they can. They want to charge you for a data plan, then a tether plan and roaming plan, and idevice plan, a non-idevice plan, a gps plan, a navigation plan, a text to speech plan, your grandma is a dirty girl plan, your connected to more than one tower at a time plan, a video chat plan. I'm sure you get the point, if they can squeeze that extra penny from the people and force them to pay higher prices, even though it alienates their consumers, they know people aren't going to leave. The market isn't who has the best service gets the most customers anymore. It's you will use us because we're all owned by the same company and we just give you the illusion that you have choices, but in reality all your money are belong to us.
/climbs off of soapbox
I have a 3 gig plan and use about 8 gigs a month.. I tether my ps3 and play online and stuff like that.. I have never heard from AT&T..
Surely they can see when I'm connected to Playstation Network using massive amounts of data..
Its powered by Jellybeaned AOKP!
Did you delete the tethering manager program?
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johnrippa said:
How dare we use the services we pay for! Such arrogance I have never seen to think att shouldn't be able to double dip. Vote Romney 2012 and deregulate more!
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Exactly !!..g
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I have a 3 gig plan and use about 8 gigs a month.. I tether my ps3 and play online and stuff like that.. I have never heard from AT&T..
Surely they can see when I'm connected to Playstation Network using massive amounts of data..
Its powered by Jellybeaned AOKP!
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aside from charging you for tethering...they dont charge you for the overage from the 3gig to 8gig? that has to be a lot
Hey all,
What's the best / more reliable means to tether on the AT&T HTC One m8?
I've been trying with the Wifi Tether app but no luck on the right config yet. Also, it's probably worth mentioning that I'm on the Skyfall ROM (fully rooted, s-off, etc.)
Thanks!
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What's the best / more reliable means to tether on the AT&T HTC One m8?
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What's "built in" is pretty reliable. You might consider concentrating on getting the "built in" to work instead of adding another layer of complexity. Which firmware is "skyfall" based on? (perhaps give a link to the dev thread.)
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What's "built in" is pretty reliable. You might consider concentrating on getting the "built in" to work instead of adding another layer of complexity. Which firmware is "skyfall" based on? (perhaps give a link to the dev thread.)
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isn't there a charge for the built-in functionality?
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isn't there a charge for the built-in functionality?
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Are you using the stock AT&T firmware? If so, then your account has to be provisioned for tethering. There are ways around this... Also, depending on which data plan you have with AT&T, tethering might be included.
(Example of a way around it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2733561)
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Are you using the stock AT&T firmware? If so, then your account has to be provisioned for tethering. There are ways around this... Also, depending on which data plan you have with AT&T, tethering might be included.
(Example of a way around it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2733561)
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I'm using the Skyfall ROM so I don't think so... (unsure really).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2702074
I'll play with it some more - I had made the assumption that if I used the "stock / built-in" feature there would be a charge for it and it sounds like that's not the case.
Thanks guys!
Testing
So I'm doing some testing using the built in app and it appears that while it works, I think AT&T might be throttling the connection.
I tested using a Bluetooth tether connection as well as using a Wifi Tether.
I'm both cases, I'm getting rougly 1.5-2 mbps download and 1 mbps upload speeds in my tests. Despite when I'm using the bluetooth tether having access to a Wifi network that's capable of 100 mbps up and down.
I'm using a 2013 macbook air to test with which has Bluetooth v4.2.
I believe it's throttled because I'm seeing nearly the same rates with both bluetooth and Wifi tethering. I definitely know the Wifi connection is much, much faster. For example, if I disconnect the Tether and connect directly to the Wifi AP, I get 96 mbps down and 47 mbps up.
Is there a mod to remove the throttle or an alternative?
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I had made the assumption that if I used the "stock / built-in" feature there would be a charge for it and it sounds like that's not the case.
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What is installed on the phone is not going to dictate whether AT&T finds out if you are tethering or not. The stock AT&T ROM will simply block tethering if you don't have a tethering plan. Tethering hack or simply installing any non-AT&T based ROM circumvents this. I just use the stock WiFi hotspot application.
Can't say whether they throttle tethered data or not. But my gut feeling is no. And again, any such measures would likely be network based, and probably can't be circumvented simply by using a different tethering app.
What is your data speed when not tethering (measure on the phone)?
AT&T's way for detecting tethering isn't based on what app you use for it... It's based on packet header examination. If you only use it occasionally, they usually won't look. (I used it for years without being detected... but only very lightly.)