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Hello, I have been searching for app killer information. I see that some people don't think is necessary and some say it is. What's the verdict on this topic? Thx
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dont use it, unless you know what your looking for. if you do use one look for one that displays processor cycles or how long the app uses the processor. if a rogue app is uses more than it should you kill it. other than that use. do not use them.
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if an app uses excessive processor time, i just straight up delete it. unless i need it then i kill it.
At the Android BBQ, Cyanogen stated that there is absolutely no need for task killers. Granted this is the same thing he has been saying for some time now but misinformation is a hard thing to overcome.
I am sick of App killers, they may have had a place pre Froyo but any recent android build will not benefit from them. Most of the time quite the opposite of what is expected including but not limited to Higher battery drain, background services not syncing, or Force Close issues. In general if an android phone comes into the store I work at with a task killer it will leave with it uninstalled. If you need something to conserve battery I recommend adjusting your sync settings, brightness/timout, and installed apps settings. If you are running out of memory due to too many programs running you can either buy a new phone that has more memory or uninstall some of said programs.
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I am sick of App killers, they may have had a place pre Froyo but any recent android build will not benefit from them. Most of the time quite the opposite of what is expected including but not limited to Higher battery drain, background services not syncing, or Force Close issues. In general if an android phone comes into the store I work at with a task killer it will leave with it uninstalled. If you need something to conserve battery I recommend adjusting your sync settings, brightness/timout, and installed apps settings. If you are running out of memory due to too many programs running you can either buy a new phone that has more memory or uninstall some of said programs.
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So if the photon ran out of memory you would recommend buying the latest and greatest? And delete customers info?
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mikel719 said:
So if the photon ran out of memory you would recommend buying the latest and greatest? And delete customers info?
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Yes and No. A few years ago, 128Mb or even 512Mb on these phone were common. Yes it was nice to have 2Million apps on your phone and 1/2 of them running. It was easy to jam up your phone, so short of a reboot, an app killer was a nice tool.
This has 16Gb (Not Mb) and some space to play on the chip. I work in IT, been doing it for MANY years. Look at the size of these apps in Market Place. If you have THAT many apps, all running at the same time, You need a new phone when available.
BTW: Photon comes with Task Manager out the box, it willdo the same thing.
Just my $0.02!
Thx for the info.. I currently do not have one installed. I never have problems with my photon. Just wondering if it was something I needed.
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So if the photon ran out of memory you would recommend buying the latest and greatest? And delete customers info?
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My point is that it is an app that adds no value to the device.
An example would be a customer with an LG Optimus (140 MB of onboard memory) that has installed every version of angry birds and now wonders why their phone is slow and unresponsive. A task killer will not fix this, they either need to remove some apps or buy a phone that better suits their needs.
That being said I'm not really worried about the photon running out of memory (either the 3GB allocated to app storage or the 1GB of RAM) I'm not saying it's impossible but for the average user, heck even the average power user it is highly unlikely.
So people still don't realize this is Linux. Unused ram is useless ram. Fill it to the brim, it's there to be used 100%.
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schale01 said:
My point is that it is an app that adds no value to the device.
An example would be a customer with an LG Optimus (140 MB of onboard memory) that has installed every version of angry birds and now wonders why their phone is slow and unresponsive. A task killer will not fix this, they either need to remove some apps or buy a phone that better suits their needs.
That being said I'm not really worried about the photon running out of memory (either the 3GB allocated to app storage or the 1GB of RAM) I'm not saying it's impossible but for the average user, heck even the average power user it is highly unlikely.
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memory is different from ram. i have 1.6 gigs of apps(240) my phone doesnt run slow at all. i had 200 plus on my galaxy s and my g1(apps2sd). never slowed down any of my phones as long as you dont download poorly coded apps or use 500 widgets/app killers/bad live wallpapers/crappy home replacements. you can use as much storage as you want and never slow down the phone. its the active apps that are running that slow down the phone, not the inactive ones simply stored in memory for quick access. when android needs memory it kills off inactive apps. simple.
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Turbo Droid app out the market
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Definitely not.
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charlie2900 said:
Thx for the info.. I currently do not have one installed. I never have problems with my photon. Just wondering if it was something I needed.
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Good choice! On both phone and not needing this!
I have my phone and dont have any issues with it. I installed an advanced task killer and thats when I started having problems once I uninstalled it I was good. No problems whats so ever. Another thing I noticed is with the extra task killer when would dock my photon into the hdmi station I would get low memory pop ups since I uninstalled it no more low memory popups.
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Anyone using Juice Defender on their Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I've been using it ever since I bought mine, but I honestly don't get much more battery life...
Anyone has a nice improvement using Juice Defender or any other battery life improver app?
(I don't know what happened to the search function after the changes to the xda forum but it's really confusing now and I'm sorry if this has already been posted. i'm too dumb for this.)
I always use either go task manager or smart ram booster ..........these are only which effectively closes tasks and also uses less ram ......also u can try ram manager which is similar to juice defender
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I always use either go task manager or smart ram booster ..........these are only which effectively closes tasks and also uses less ram ......also u can try ram manager which is similar to juice defender
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But everyone says that using task managers/killers isn't a good idea since Android manages memory in a "smart" way and interfering might result in issues after some time. Do you actually notice a battery life improvement using Go Task Manager? Maybe I should give it a try..
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But everyone says that using task managers/killers isn't a good idea since Android manages memory in a "smart" way and interfering might result in issues after some time. Do you actually notice a battery life improvement using Go Task Manager? Maybe I should give it a try..
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I never felt much difference in the battery but I use only to speed up my tab .........frequently if u clear u will not experience any lag ...........for me it is must
I use JD on my phone, there it is great because it manages 2G/3G/WiFi, AirplaneMode over night etc....
On my tab it isn't installed because I always turn WiFi on when I need it, I do not use 3G (or just few times)... so with my behavior JD is useless...
As the days go on I feel like I'm using more RAM doing the same tasks. I haven't changed anything really and I went from having 1.03 free to now having 900ish free. What's up with that? And what's the point of 2GB if 1 of it will be used almost all the time. I know this is stock and rooting and removing bloatware will help, but this is crazy for stock isn't it?
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Unused ram is wasted ram.
Android does a fine job with ram utilization. That's why most of the veterans of Android device will always tell you that Task Killers are a big no-no. There are very good articles regarding this, sorry don't have a link but try to do a google search.
the purpose of having additional RAM is so that i can be used.
I'm running the Base v.5 and often have around 850M to 1G free.
Don't worry about it. Android OS is based on Linux, and as such it's very efficient in memory utilization, unlike Windows.
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Ok, I've just never understood how unused RAM is a bad thing. I always thought having free RAM was what you wanted. So should I even bother occasionally clearing RAM through the built in task manager? Won't these things drain my battery if I don't?
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they shouldn't have any noticeable impact. they should go into a very low usage mode...kinda like a sleep. if needed the app can resume quickly...if more RAM is needed, then the system will close these "sleeping" apps. i'd allow the system to manage your RAM.
back in the early days of Android there was a good reason to use task killers, but that is not the case in the newer devices. you can use the task manager to kill an app that's hung up or whatnot, but i'd suggest trying to break yourself of that habit....let the system do it's thing for a week or so and see how it goes.
btw...you want enough memory so that apps can do what they need to do when you want them to do it. so yeah, having a lil extra is a good thing but that's only because of "burst usage". if you run at 95% utilization most of the time, then when you have a sudden burst of activity your device may not have enough spare memory to use. but if your at 50% utilization you're fine.
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they shouldn't have any noticeable impact. they should go into a very low usage mode...kinda like a sleep. if needed the app can resume quickly...if more RAM is needed, then the system will close these "sleeping" apps. i'd allow the system to manage your RAM.
back in the early days of Android there was a good reason to use task killers, but that is not the case in the newer devices. you can use the task manager to kill an app that's hung up or whatnot, but i'd suggest trying to break yourself of that habit....let the system do it's thing for a week or so and see how it goes.
btw...you want enough memory so that apps can do what they need to do when you want them to do it. so yeah, having a lil extra is a good thing but that's only because of "burst usage". if you run at 95% utilization most of the time, then when you have a sudden burst of activity your device may not have enough spare memory to use. but if your at 50% utilization you're fine.
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Thanks that cleared it up for me.
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I just wanted to come over to the General forum and let you all know that Scotty's Clean 4.5 is probably the most amazing ROM I have ever seen on any device.
out of the box Antutu is 17500....I'm running 10.5 hours with 2 hrs screen time and I have 71% battery left.
seriously folks....it's all day zoom zoom and it looks and feels totally stock.
If you haven't tried it....for the love of Pete..."DO-IT MAUN!"
Man, ur playing with fire here. But I would have to agree, it is a pretty nice rom if you prefer the stock look.
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I ran his roms when I had my gs3. Tbey were the best. Fast and everything worked. I havent tried any roms fpr tgis one yet but when I do it will be his rom first.
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I love it as well. Best performance out of any ROM. But I also am in love with AOSP and 4.2 is amazing. So torn!!!
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I cant do the stock look, it doesnt agree with me!
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Man, ur playing with fire here. But I would have to agree, it is a pretty nice rom if you prefer the stock look.
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Yeah... I'm just letting people know tjere was a stock-ish rom with un believabke battery performance. I can't even remember where my extra battery is....I havent used it since I started using Clean.
Other roms are great...clean is...just amazing
I gotta give this a try
A couple of things...
Is everything working?
And of course the famous "is wifi tether working"?
And - how stock is stock? Do you get the horrible message in your pull down, "There are wifi networks available?", "Your wifi is off" blah blah blah. Man! That was irritating!
Thanks for any information.
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I disagree. I wasn't impressed with that ROM.
But its your opinion. Glad u like it.
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I just wanted to come over to the General forum and let you all know that Scotty's Clean 4.5 is probably the most amazing ROM I have ever seen on any device.
out of the box Antutu is 17500....I'm running 10.5 hours with 2 hrs screen time and I have 71% battery left.
seriously folks....it's all day zoom zoom and it looks and feels totally stock.
If you haven't tried it....for the love of Pete..."DO-IT MAUN!"
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Im at 1d, 10 hours and almost 1.5 hours screen time, I have 56% left....
Oh and stock.
Sorry but no zip rom dev will ever improve battery life without coding their own battery saving applications.
I am sure the rom is great, but don't credit battery life to it
Short of going to AOSP, you cannot significantly change battery life on any ROM compared to what it is based off of. So, if you make a ROM based on Stock TouchWiz, it is going to get approximately the same usage as the Stock ROM. If you have doubts, go do a comparison test. Even undervolting isn't going to do anything significant for you with modern day processors.
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Short of going to AOSP, you cannot significantly change battery life on any ROM compared to what it is based off of. So, if you make a ROM based on Stock TouchWiz, it is going to get approximately the same usage as the Stock ROM. If you have doubts, go do a comparison test. Even undervolting isn't going to do anything significant for you with modern day processors.
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...and debloating doesn't save you battery life.
My phone is still unrooted and stocked from when I got it replaced last week.
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...and debloating doesn't save you battery life.
My phone is still unrooted and stocked from when I got it replaced last week.
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I knew I wasn't crazy... I've tried all roms under the sun. To me I've not noticed any performance difference. Of course I'm sure I don't use my note 2 as much as most people...
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bond32 said:
I knew I wasn't crazy... I've tried all roms under the sun. To me I've not noticed any performance difference. Of course I'm sure I don't use my note 2 as much as most people...
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It has always been my belief that you use roms for features, not performance or battery claims.
I use Jelly Beans ROM 8 and the performance and battery life is 100 times difference. The battery with heavy usage was at 56% from 7am until 5pm. My Galaxy Note 2's performance without overclocking has been extremely fast in comparison to stock, I can now watch videos with any browser without the hour glass circle hanging for an extended period of time.
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bond32 said:
I knew I wasn't crazy... I've tried all roms under the sun. To me I've not noticed any performance difference. Of course I'm sure I don't use my note 2 as much as most people...
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AOSP based ROM's can get you better performance and improve battery life (though I very rarely if have ever actually see the later).. At this time there are still issues with AOSP here and there.. most notably the gpu has either glitches or a memory leak (one or the other) and bluetooth is sketchy.
Zip ROM's or Stock ROMS will not change either performance or battery life by any real significance.
Basically I am reiterating what adrynalyne and imnuts said here
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...and debloating doesn't save you battery life.
My phone is still unrooted and stocked from when I got it replaced last week.
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I disagree. Lol. I'm not a dev and don't know how to code (sure I'll get flamed) but here's how I see it:
"Debloating" does save my battery a bit. Some crap programs running in the background (at all times) that I never use, showing up in my battery stats and my running apps using xyz of my ram, apps that I *never* use (I mean NEVER opened) -- you don't think killing those (in effect - killing process) has any positive effect on ones battery life?
I think it does. I've tested it. One example: anything exchange related on this phone and the Note 2. Also: smart alarm clock. That damn widget never sleeps and I've never used it. My phone sleeps better without it and I do believe overall (with the other rogue apps I kill) my battery is better.
I'm ready to be proven wrong.
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AOSP based ROM's can get you better performance and improve battery life (though I very rarely if have ever actually see the later).. At this time there are still issues with AOSP here and there.. most notably the gpu has either glitches or a memory leak (one or the other) and bluetooth is sketchy.
Zip ROM's or Stock ROMS will not change either performance or battery life by any real significance.
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Your Liberty rom on my old Droid X improved performance and battery life significantly, and my co-worker mentions often how her friends and family with better, newer phones are surprised that her phone runs better.
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I disagree. Lol. I'm not a dev and don't know how to code (sure I'll get flamed) but here's how I see it:
"Debloating" does save my battery a bit. Some crap programs running in the background (at all times) that I never use, showing up in my battery stats and my running apps using xyz of my ram, apps that I *never* use (I mean NEVER opened) -- you don't think killing those (in effect - killing process) has any positive effect on ones battery life?
I think it does. I've tested it. One example: anything exchange related on this phone and the Note 2. Also: smart alarm clock. That damn widget never sleeps and I've never used it. My phone sleeps better without it and I do believe overall (with the other rogue apps I kill) my battery is better.
I'm ready to be proven wrong.
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I don't notice as much now, but with older devices bloat had a huge impact on performance and battery life. On some of my phones blockbuster was one of the biggest battery hogs and I've never once opened that app. On my Droid X with 512mb ram it would start to lag at 90mb free, it was really bad once it got down to 70mb free, and would freeze at 50mb free. Before I first rooted I had to use a app killer before I used my phone so it wouldn't lag, and if I used it more than 20 minutes or so I had to run it again to stop the lag. Once I rooted I started using an app to set the memory to always keep 90 mb or more free and didn't have lag anymore, but the apps I was using would constantly redraw but bloat apps I never used would be eating up all my ram, I debloated it and have been fine ever since.
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1ManWolfePack said:
I disagree. Lol. I'm not a dev and don't know how to code (sure I'll get flamed) but here's how I see it:
"Debloating" does save my battery a bit. Some crap programs running in the background (at all times) that I never use, showing up in my battery stats and my running apps using xyz of my ram, apps that I *never* use (I mean NEVER opened) -- you don't think killing those (in effect - killing process) has any positive effect on ones battery life?
I think it does. I've tested it. One example: anything exchange related on this phone and the Note 2. Also: smart alarm clock. That damn widget never sleeps and I've never used it. My phone sleeps better without it and I do believe overall (with the other rogue apps I kill) my battery is better.
I'm ready to be proven wrong.
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Those *things* you never used are backgrounded and harmless, despite perceptions.
I have never seen a battery use screen shot chock full of apps never used draining the battery. ...
Except Maps. That one is annoying.
I am fully stock still and almost 2d usage with 34 percent left.
This is with Scott's clean Rom 1.0. Maybe stock gives you the same battery performance. But this Rom is as smooth as butter.
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On my device it starts out taking up about 70mb of ram but continually grows.
To check, go to settings->apps->running->show cached process.
Please help me here, I dont know if this is normal or not. It goes from 70 to 300mb of cached ram usage in a matter of hours.
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On my device it starts out taking up about 70mb of ram but continually grows.
To check, go to settings->apps->running->show cached process.
Please help me here, I dont know if this is normal or not. It goes from 70 to 300mb of cached ram usage in a matter of hours.
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IIRC, cached process is for background apps that are still in memory simply because there is enough memory to do so. If the device is short of memory, these cached processes will be cleared.
Does the memory issue cause you actual problems?
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On my device it starts out taking up about 70mb of ram but continually grows.
To check, go to settings->apps->running->show cached process.
Please help me here, I dont know if this is normal or not. It goes from 70 to 300mb of cached ram usage in a matter of hours.
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Dolphin actually works for you? Well I'll be damned. Are you rooted or just straight stock?
The poster above is correct in what he said, the only time to worry about it is if it causes a device slowdown. If you're worried about it you can always go to the recent page and clear it out.
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Thx for the help . I'm rooted. No, the browser does eventually get laggy when the cache size gets really high. I've set Tasker to kill dolphin when the screen goes off to reset the cache, which seems to work.
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Using dolphin on my rooted Team Baked tab and have zero issues. Infact, hasnt been rebooted in a few weeks, and dolphins never been closed. Same 9 open tabs and smooth as butter.
Dolphin and jet pack on stock tablet z.
Best browser ever. Why should I care about memory 2GB is a lot
With my 2 bad eyes I can watch only one wide at a time and usually do not stream music from another at the same time.
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Same problem on all browses on many devices at the moment for many people. It comes from a problem in android latest releases which is hopefully going to be addressed. Nice to be able to say that this device is not affected because saved by relatively large ram but others not so lucky with apps slowing down and freezing, one guy on another forum. has said chrome reached the heady heights of 400MB :-o
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I am using Dolphin on my XTZ (non-rooted 4.1.2 stock). After a few hours of browsing the used RAM goes to 400-500 Mb.. And Dolphin actually slows down and sometimes freezes for seconds, so I have to restart it.
Lately I started using Chrome.. seems to handle better browsing for hours.
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I am using Dolphin on my XTZ (non-rooted 4.1.2 stock). After a few hours of browsing the used RAM goes to 400-500 Mb.. And Dolphin actually slows down and sometimes freezes for seconds, so I have to restart it.
Lately I started using Chrome.. seems to handle better browsing for hours.
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I love you. You have convinced me this issue is not a hardware defect or something (I dont know how rogue memory leaks would be a hardware defect but w/e). You also saved me from additional anger by factory resetting my tablet only to find the issue still persisting.
Gosh, I love this tablet so much despite its flaws, I really want to keep it. My last (5) nexus 10s would randomly reboot multiple times a day from the freaking system ui having a memory leak, and it took a year for Google to fix it with 4.3.
Anyway, turning off Javascript helps immensely. Still, after a few days, the browser is taking up over 200mb of ram, but it is a far cry from the 400mb in 2 hours that usually happens.
Anyone have any idea?
Stinky
, do you Know if 4.2.2 will fix this when it's released? Sorry for double post.
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, do you Know if 4.2.2 will fix this when it's released? Sorry for double post.
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As far as I've read on other forums here and other sites..... No! Latest upgrade to 4.3 on galaxy nexus has, if anything, made it worse...I tried it on a Gnex and can confirm that to be the case
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Well that's just dandy. Honestly thinking about getting an ipad right now . Sure, ios is a bit more boring, but it at least works. Nexus 10 was plagued by a memory leak, and it was 8 months before Google for anything. Now I can't properly browse or use bluetooth, as that affects Internet.
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