who partitions there sd card? any benefit to doing it?
who installs apps to the sd card? besides capacity issues of the native memory onboard the phone any advantages? what is the method to install apps to sdcard? any misgivings about such a practice?
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mark
markkal123 said:
who partitions there sd card? any benefit to doing it?
who installs apps to the sd card? besides capacity issues of the native memory onboard the phone any advantages? what is the method to install apps to sdcard? any misgivings about such a practice?
thanks
mark
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It could be argued they run slower on the SD card. Needless to say this phone has plenty of onboard storage for apps. And some apps don't support the SD card. The only apps I have on my SD card are the incremental backups from TiBackup.
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It could be argued they run slower on the SD card. Needless to say this phone has plenty of onboard storage for apps. And some apps don't support the SD card. The only apps I have on my SD card are the incremental backups from TiBackup.
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I completely agree with nerozehl. Put everything on your internal storage.
Another con of installing them to SD is that, if the app is important, then your phone won't function "properly" when you plug it into a PC under some configurations (like when your PC reads your phone's SD card). Important or not, the apps installed to SD will most certainly not run in those scenarios.
I can't think of any reason to install the apps to your SD Card unless you really insist on installing like 500 different apps and you use up the internal storage, which is incredibly unlikely.
Jaxidian said:
I can't think of any reason to install the apps to your SD Card unless you really insist on installing like 500 different apps and you use up the internal storage, which is incredibly unlikely.
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ahh-hahahahahahahaha! my first pc was an ibm 286. only option was choice of a 10mb or 20mb internal hd
markkal123 said:
ahh-hahahahahahahaha! my first pc was an ibm 286. only option was choice of a 10mg or 20mg internal hd
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Wow, your HDD only weighed 10-20 milligrams??!
Typo aside, keep in mind that EOL on the TBolt will be in ~1.5 years (and that's probably stretching it). You're comparing storage from a system ~25(?) years ago, not 1.5 years ago. The 8GB (actually 4GB) of storage will last that 1.5 years just fine. Even if you try, your phone will run like crap before you fill up that storage.
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I've been prowling websites, SE's included and I find contradictions on the amount of memory - internally and the amount of the internal storage (not microSD) in the X10.
Most sites seem to suggest that there is 1GB of RAM memory. The OS/Firmware takes up 384-400mb ROM.
There are sellers who say that the X10 has 8 or 16GB of internal storage. There are others that say it's only 2GB. I think that a lot of sites are confusing the microSD with internal storage. Rogers site seems to suggest 8GB internal storage and ATT says 2GB.
The Samsung Galaxy S seems to come with 16GB storage and a 8GB card at ATT.
The X10 they are selling seems to be with 2GB storage and 2GB sd card. (SonyStyle is selling the X10 with a 8GB card incl.)
Could someone clarify this? Is it just confusion with the SD card or did ATT order up the X10 with less internal storage than the rest of the world, guarantee that 'geeks' wouldn't be as interested....
From what I've seen they're all the exact same hardware wise, and the internal memory is the same. Was supposedly 1gb internal memory in the phone, but not sure if it's actually true, or if 1.6 limits available system ram.
The x10 from Rogers in Canada comes with 16GB card installed. (They did a few months ago anyway)
1GB ROM (internal mem)
384MB RAM (used when phone is on for programs and tasks)
"practically" unlimited Storage (mem card)
yetep said:
1GB ROM (internal mem)
384MB RAM (used when phone is on for programs and tasks)
"practically" unlimited Storage (mem card)
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I don't understand the 'practically unlimited' part. Isn't one of the reasons that people want Eclair/Froyo the ability to store apps on the memory card rather than the internal memory? And the better message auto-management?
stan.s said:
I don't understand the 'practically unlimited' part. Isn't one of the reasons that people want Eclair/Froyo the ability to store apps on the memory card rather than the internal memory? And the better message auto-management?
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"practically" unlimited storage was regarding size of memory card you can use in your device, which as of now can be max. 32 GB.
That´s 3rd point..first is internal memory (ROM), second is operating memory (RAM) and finally third is external memory (MicroSD card)
Can anybody clarify the internal storage situation on the evo 3d? It sounds like it's essentially 1Gb (user-available), same as the sensation. So including all the ram and storage specs we have
sensation: 768Mb ram / 1Gb internal storage (user-available) / 8Gb SD
evo 3d: 1Gb ram / 1Gb internal storage (user-available) / 32Gb SD
is that right?
edit: apparently I got the included SD card wrong in the evo 3d, it's 8Gb too. So they're even closer than I thought.
I had been under the impression for months now that the sensation had less internal storage than the evo 3d, but I think I may have been mistaken and that was just an artifact of the order the information was released in: The initial specs I saw for the sensation said 1Gb internal storage, then later I found that it's apparently a 4Gb chip where most of it is used for android/sense/etc and ~1Gb is available to the user for apps. The initial specs I saw for the evo 3d said 4Gb internal storage, then now I'm finding out (and correct me if I'm wrong) that it's the same situation: most of that is used for android/sense/etc and only ~1Gb is available for user apps.
Also I know I can get a larger SD card if I need more space, but I care about storing apps in internal storage because I presume it to be faster than an SD card.
I've read there is actually a full 4GB of internal memory. Well maybe not a full 4GB more like 3.xxxx. But I could be proven wrong.
edit: okay correction 1 gb actually available to use (from those that have actually gotten hands on reviews)
EVO 3D
Internal Memory
4GB eMMC / RAM 1GB
Sensation:
Internal Memory
768 MB RAM, 4 GB Internal Storage (1 GB user addressable)
Though apps generally don't take up a lot of space, be aware that like the HTC Sensation 4G, the Evo 3D doesn't offer much internal storage. It has 4GB of internal memory but only 1GB of that is available to the user, and you can't uninstall the preloaded apps. You can move them, as well as any downloaded apps, to the preinstalled 8GB microSD card, but if you plan on loading up your phone with apps, music, and video, you might want to upgrade to a higher-capacity card. The phone's expansion slot can support up to 32GB.
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Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-evo-3d-sprint/4505-6452_7-34554507-2.html#ixzz1PmC84ElY
got this from cnet
Total internal memory=5Gb
1Gb=RAM
4Gb=eMMC
The 1 GB RAM should be what stores all of your mtd partitions. boot, recovery, wimax, system, data, cache, etc. The eMMC storage is used for music, documents, pics, etc if this is the location you specified to save it to.
Once this thing is rooted we can use the eMMC for whatever we want. All we need to do is partition it if you want more than 1 partition or format it to ext and use it as /data. But of course we will need a custom kernel that supports ext2, ext3, ext4 to use it as /data. Personally I am looking for a dev that can get a kernel with ext fs and loop support included for my own project.
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Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-evo-3d-sprint/4505-6452_7-34554507-2.html#ixzz1PmC84ElY
got this from cnet
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When the hell did they test..
The camera can also capture 1080p HD video in 2D (720p in 3D), and video quality was also good.
Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-evo-3d-sprint/4505-6452_7-34554507-2.html#ixzz1Pn2pXj00
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I want 1080p recording. But I'll live with 720p until they update it.
unCoRrUpTeD said:
Total internal memory=5Gb
1Gb=RAM
4Gb=eMMC
The 1 GB RAM should be what stores all of your mtd partitions. boot, recovery, wimax, system, data, cache, etc.
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Wrong, RAM stores running apps and running os elements. The mtd partitions boot etc would be on the ROM.
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StellarWiid said:
Wrong, RAM stores running apps and running os elements. The mtd partitions boot etc would be on the ROM.
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ROM=1GB
This is as far as I can tell
There is 4gb of memory built in for storage. HTC uses 3GB of that between Sense, Android and all the stuff they preinstall. So you have 1gb for Apps. Then you can put in up to a 32gb sd card. The reason it's important to note it's 4gb is because the rom chefs especially guys who do ASOP will be able to free a chunk of that space.
Hey there.
I'm a little confused regarding the internal storage of my VZW Note II. It has 16gb, which I know is less when formatted... there's around 10gb available for apps and files. Isn't that the partition sizing for Samsung's massively bloaty ROM? I'm running AOSP; is there any way to reclaim some of that space? Or I've seen some stuff about dual-booting, but there are way too many disparate GNoteII forums on XDA and I can't find any specific font of information. Is that a way to more efficiently use space? I'm just consistently crunched for space since nothing can use the external SD really, and 10gb goes away quickly nowadays.
Thank you kindly.
I would like to know the same thing. Just flashed and rom and set everything and now I only have about 700MB free space. I don't even run lots of apps. It's the miscellaneous that takes up majority of the space.
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tee00max said:
I would like to know the same thing. Just flashed and rom and set everything and now I only have about 700MB free space. I don't even run lots of apps. It's the miscellaneous that takes up majority of the space.
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Thats 700mb freespace for the system partition which is plenty...apps reside on the internal sd which you should have 10-12gb free.
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Thats 700mb freespace for the system partition which is plenty...apps reside on the internal sd which you should have 10-12gb free.
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Exactly. That's 700mb to /system, then the rest goes to app storage and the emulated internal SD card. My phone reports that at 10.33gb total; 10.33gb + 700mb = 11.03gb total known storage across all known partitions. Doesn't that seem a little low?
I know my phone has 2gb of ram but what I am speaking of is the 16gb internal SD storage.
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I know my phone has 2gb of ram but what I am speaking of is the 16gb internal SD storage.
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That's what we're speaking of as well. Your phone has 16gb of internal storage which is split across system files and app storage. Any space left over is your "internal SD card". It's how Android works post-Ice Cream Sandwich.
no its not low thats normal...
Well, I know our "16gb" cards are only 14.9gb, marketing considers 1gb = 1,000mb's, but it's really 1024 mb's. So really if you do the math, 16gb by marketing definition equals 14.9gb in reality (16*1,000^3/1,024^3). That explains 1gb at least.
I'd imagine the rest is the baseband and radio software, all that? Is the touchwiz framework always left on the phone even after a full internal format?
How much available space does a "16gb" Nexus 4 have on first boot?
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no its not low thats normal...
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Ah. I did not realize that the RAM was part of that 16gb as well, I thought it was dedicated. That explains it. Thanks
ieAnd said:
Ah. I did not realize that the RAM was part of that 16gb as well, I thought it was dedicated. That explains it. Thanks
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Where'd you see that?
Well according to the email notification I got from XDA, droidstyle's response was:
"no its not low thats normal... The rom is 2gb + 2gb of ram + all of the apps leaves arouns 11gb free."
then when I went to reply that second part wasn't there anymore? But I assume droidstyle is right? 14.9 - 2.0 - 2.0 = 10.9, so... closer?
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Well according to the email notification I got from XDA, droidstyle's response was:
"no its not low thats normal... The rom is 2gb + 2gb of ram + all of the apps leaves arouns 11gb free."
then when I went to reply that second part wasn't there anymore? But I assume droidstyle is right? 14.9 - 2.0 - 2.0 = 10.9, so... closer?
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yea i edited that because I was not sure that was 100% correct...which I do not think it is.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21573600&postcount=3
It seems weird, but I think you're right. It's not only the most logical and mathematically accurate solution, but thinking back on it I believe that's how my poor old Galaxy Nexus functioned as well, it was just far less noticeable since the Gnex had 32gb of memory and only took 1gb of RAM, vs. 16 - 2.
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It seems weird, but I think you're right. It's not only the most logical and mathematically accurate solution, but thinking back on it I believe that's how my poor old Galaxy Nexus functioned as well, it was just far less noticeable since the Gnex had 32gb of memory and only took 1gb of RAM, vs. 16 - 2.
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just add a sd card
I have 16+64.
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just add a sd card
I have 16+64.
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This definitely solves the problem
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I have a 32 ultra SD, so I'm pretty set. Currently I have 4.9 GB available on the internal drive. I like to keep a clean drive. If you download music, most if not all will go to the internal. I've looked for mp3 apps that direct the DL's to the ext.SD, but have only found one, and that one didn't work. I believe cache goes on the internal too. Every time you download a ROM like meanbean, liquid smooth, they place a folder on the internal drive. They're empty, but they take up space.
I think the ram is part of the internal.
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Oh I have a 32gb Class-10 µSD card in my phone right now. The problem I'm facing is that any sort of app storage can't be moved to external SD... I have one or two pretty massive games and a lot of apps that love to cache reserves of data, and it adds up. I only have about 1.2 gb free storage after clearing all caches, without really any other files to speak of besides a few pictures. Oh well, I can deal. I was just spoiled with storage on the GNex.
I use my s3 mainly for music and camera video, the size of the internal memory is more than enough, so which is more efficient in terms of use and battery?, just use the internal memory alone with faster read and write then remove then sdcard? Or just keep the sd? Isnt it will just consume more power since you are running both reader especially when listening to music for long period? The only advantage of sd is you can remove it along with your files if the phone broke down, but since i backup my files most of time i dont think its an issue, cant decide, give me opinions pls
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This is a strange question. Reads / writes on an external sd card will not use more power than read / writes to internal memory.
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Best reason not to use the internal storage is if you have the insane emmc chip, you're less likely to have problems with bad memory blocks if you keep everything on the external sd.
Yes but if it reads faster, the time it spends reading will be reduced, based on my benchmark, internal read is 32MB/s as compared to my sd class10 which is 14MB/s, and since it will always read the internal because that is where the system apps is right? So adding an additional sd will just consume power, i got my sd from my previous phone, just doing some powersaving on hardware side since as much as possible i want to save power. Just updating for info
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This is a strange question. Reads / writes on an external sd card will not use more power than read / writes to internal memory.
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Really? how can be?
I thought when using ext sdcard, the device need more power.
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Yes but if it reads faster, the time it spends reading will be reduced, based on my benchmark, internal read is 32MB/s as compared to my sd class10 which is 14MB/s, and since it will always read the internal because that is where the system apps is right? So adding an additional sd will just consume power, i got my sd from my previous phone, just doing some powersaving on hardware side since as much as possible i want to save power. Just updating for info
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Technically yes, a read / write will be quicker on internal so the same operation on both, the external would take longer so would use a modicum of "extra power". 2 minutes of iops on internal will use the same power as 3 minutes of iops on external.
Since iops on solid state memory use almost 0 power, by not using an sd, you're not at any advantage
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Really? how can be?
I thought when using ext sdcard, the device need more power.
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Why would you think that? The internal nand flash is the same type of memory as an sd card.
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It depends on the class number written on the SD card.
I have a Samsung Galaxy light, and it is rooted. Yeah, this is a relatively low end phone that cost me about $50 a year ago, but it still sometime seems a bit slower than I think it should be unlocking the lock screen, or loading apps.
I used the app Android A1 SD Bench to benchmark the SD card and internal memory. Here are the results.
Exteral SD card ---------Read 37.1MB/s Write 11.88MB/s
Internal memory--------Read 12.31MB/s Write 1.62MB/s
SD Card (see note)-----Read 19.39MB/s Write 2.26MB/s
Now I'm not quite sure what the SD card item was, the total size was identical to the internal memory, but with a 20MB difference in free space, so I assume it is some other reference to the same internal memory, but it somehow performed faster.
Either way, you can see, according to this app at least, that my SD card is way faster. Any good ways to take advantage of this without getting too overly in depth?