So, while the bootloader isn't unlocked, I'm fairly impressed with the frequency of updates in just the first 3 months with the Atrix. Without violating any NDA with Moto, anybody have speculations or know of "rumors" as to what's next and when to expect it?
Sideloading should be here with next update, although we have it anyway without AT&T enabling it for us.
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Sideloading should be here with next update, although we have it anyway without AT&T enabling it for us.
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Do you have a source on that? Our device was NOT among those listed in the official announcement from AT&T.
As for future updates, there's currently nothing inside or outside of an NDA to report. 1080p recording that was promised is still in the works, but that's really about all we know right now.
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Do you have a source on that? Our device was NOT among those listed in the official announcement from AT&T.
As for future updates, there's currently nothing inside or outside of an NDA to report. 1080p recording that was promised is still in the works, but that's really about all we know right now.
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Android central says that the Atrix will get a future maintenance update (that sucks) that enables it.
Source: http://www.androidcentral.com/att-confirms-third-party-apps-coming-existing-phones
Previously, installation of non-market apps required hacking of the phone, or a tool like the Sideload Wonder Machine. With this silent update -- note that you won't actually have to do anything; AT&T will push it to your phone automatically -- you'll now be able to install applications directly from developers, websites and, yes, finally, the Amazon Appstore.
And as for the Motorola Atrix 4G? AT&T says it's working with Moto, which will provide the update for non-market apps in a future maintenance release.
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From what AT&T says all devices will be able to install from unknown sources soon. Although I didn't see anything specific to the Atrix the announcement leaves the assumption that everyone with AT&T will get it changed.
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Do you have a source on that? Our device was NOT among those listed in the official announcement from AT&T.
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Mofiki said:
From what AT&T says all devices will be able to install from unknown sources soon. Although I didn't see anything specific to the Atrix the announcement leaves the assumption that everyone with AT&T will get it changed.
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What he said! ------------------------------------------------>
Mgamerz said:
Android central says that the Atrix will get a future maintenance update (that sucks) that enables it.
Source: http://www.androidcentral.com/att-confirms-third-party-apps-coming-existing-phones
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Motorola also said (back when they announced the Atrix) that the Atrix 4G will get the new MOTOBLUR (like the one Droid Bionic & the GingerBread update for Droid X & Droid 2 have) later , since it wasn't finished at the time
plus , there is the 1080HD update
& something too fix the Fingerprint scanner miss
I guess we 'll have to wait & see
& of course there's GingerBread , or Ice-Cream sandwich , but I think they gonna take a while
especially since this the Atrix we are talking about here , which is not the typical good ol' Android phone , not with the "Web-Top" feature
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Bad news fellas - the LG Optimus One P500 is obviously going to be stuck to Froyo for the rest of its life. The device that is certainly one of the best bargains you can get for the holiday season, but despite being announced just a few weeks before Gingerbread was released, it won't get a chance to taste it.
It's not the first time a manufacturer has let down its users with OS updates. Besides it is probably more tolerable here, considering that the Optimus One is meant to rival high-end feature phones, rather than smartphone top-dogs. However what's most embarrassing is the way LG brought the news to its customers.
A post on the LG Facebook page states that the Optimus One P500 won't be updated because there's a 1GHz minimum requirement for Gingerbread. Makes total sense, right? They can't update it without fixing the hardware, which is impossible. Except that it's not true and there is no such Gingerbread requirement and that was confirmed by the Android guru Dan Morill.
We really hope it's a case of the guys maintaining the Facebook page being ill-informed or otherwise there's no explanation for the LG blatant lies.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_one_p500_wont_be_getting_gingerbread_update-news-2129.php
For me it's not a problem...if does everything good on froyo...
But I see a little "hope" of devs to get something "gingerbread" to work with P500 since there is no 1GHz minimum requirement
and is bull**** because there is no need 1Ghz gingerbread to run ...
Okay, there are no information from LG, everything else is a lie. I got an answer of the LG support and they told me, it isn't clear right now. So just wait and stay cool.
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Okay, there are no information from LG, everything else is a lie. I got an answer of the LG support and they told me, it isn't clear right now. So just wait and stay cool.
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Just got this a few days ago:
Received Date : 06/12/2010 21:26 22
The type of inquiry : Software/Hardware updates
Product/Model No. : /LGP500
Hi,I'd like to know if LG is planing on releasing Android Gingerbread 2.3 for the LG P500.
Thanks
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Dear Customer
Thank you for your email regarding the P500,
At the moment the only update available for any handset is the 2.1 firmware update. Sorry for inconvenience this may of caused you.
I hope this has been of some assistance to you.
Please do not hesitate in contacting us again should you require any further advice.
Best Regards,
LG Electronics UK Helpdesk
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LG Customer Services
UK: 0844 847 5454 Ireland: 081827 6954
Mon-Fri 9am to 8pm Sat 9am-6pm
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2.1? Optimus One runs on 2.2 from factory. So this guy seems to know nothing.
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2.1? Optimus One runs on 2.2 from factory. So this guy seems to know nothing.
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although I thinked as you before,I know realise that the guy has some reason,updates are only for 2.1,as there is no update for P500 he is correct...
sad but true, no official gingerbread for O1... there's an article on engadget about that.
sorry but the forum doesnt allow me to post the direct link
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sad but true, no official gingerbread for O1... there's an article on engadget about that.
sorry but the forum doesnt allow me to post the direct link
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Is engaged by LG? No it isn't. Thats no official Source. The only official source is LG and nothing more. And as soon they don't tell us anything about that, this is only speculation.
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Is engaged by LG? No it isn't. Thats no official Source. The only official source is LG and nothing more. And as soon they don't tell us anything about that, this is only speculation.
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well the account LG USA Mobile quoted on both engadget and gsmarena it's by LG... btw let's wait and hope to get 2.3 soon enough
Pomidoro said:
well the account LG USA Mobile quoted on both engadget and gsmarena it's by LG... btw let's wait and hope to get 2.3 soon enough
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To be honest, this LG-guy seems to me a little bit like he don't really know what is happening there. If he didn't know that Gingerbread don't require a 1Ghz CPU, I think that his comment should not be seen as an official statement.
/edit: And sorry for my bad english
after being on T-Mobile as long as I have, I'm used to things like this. If i ever want any updates, I have to ROOT and install a cooked version of the update. It happened on the Mytouch 3G, and it will most likely have to happen on my LGOT.
Lets focus on Cyanogen and the devs on here and on android central for the best info on 2.3 coming to the LG OO.
I reckon the downside of buying a full feature though budget Android phone is that you - realistically from a business perspective - can't expect the manufacturer to invest money to give you more than you paid for (which is an Android Froyo phone, nothing more, nothing less).
TL;DR: You get what you pay for.
What you may (realistically?) expect is that they allocate means to solve current critical firmware issues, if and when confirmed.
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Hopes from LG for a Gingerbread P500
Guys, just read a good news from Engadget: (sorry for not able to post link as i'm a newbie)
You might remember yesterday's brouhaha over LG's seemingly false claim that Android 2.3 Gingerbread requires a 1GHz processor or better, using it as a justification for keeping an official upgrade out of the hopes and dreams of Optimus One owners around the globe -- but the good news is that it appears to have been a misunderstanding. Here's the official statement from LG:
"LG released information prematurely regarding the minimum processor upgrade requirements for the LG Optimus. Google recently announced the Gingerbread platform and has not yet published the Gingerbread Compatibility Definition Document (CDD) or the public branch open source code. Once the CDD and the source code is public, LG will evaluate the upgradability of the Optimus Series. We apologize for any confusion or misunderstanding. We will alert you as soon as more information on this topic is available."
So they're taking responsibility for jumping the gun and have committed to "evaluating the upgradability" of the Optimus line once Google's published Gingerbread's official requirements and turned loose the source code. Of course, it's possible they'll ultimately find another reason for keeping the phones stuck on Froyo -- but for now, we've got a sliver of hope.
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Let's just hope LG will get us some good news soon!
let's be patient, will get the upgrade soon...c",?
Asuma06 said:
let's be patient, will get the upgrade soon...c",?
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Personally i'm not expecting anything from LG
I'll just hope for a firmware release that's going to fix rustle in the speaker and i'll be happy
look at this
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/08/lg-pulls-back-will-evaluate-upgrading-optimus-series-to-ginge/
this is a very interesting news
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this is a very interesting news
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Indeed, let's hope they change their mind and give us an upgrade to gingerbread
LG will upgrade all Optimus One smartphones currently using the Froyo OS to the next version of the Android OS, Gingerbread. Details of the upgrade schedule will be announced locally in due course. We sincerely apologize for the confusion and misunderstanding that was caused regarding this issue.
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"source coming from Androidguys.com"
which was quoted from LG website USA, you can check that out...
ok! now since O1 will have a big chance on getting gingerbread..
may i now ask if all the mods here will still be compatible for the fix, will it be in-tune with gingerbread?
tia
Gingerbread confirmed has posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=867479
Closing....
Hi
I saw a post in the dev section titled "Source code (Android kernel, Ubuntu) now available".
I saw it here and downloaded it in case it disappears:
https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/sfmain/do/go/rel1543?selectedTab=files
What does this mean for the Atrix now? Is this anything special or won't help us at all? Will it be easier for the devs to crack the bootloader?
I'm still up in the air on whether to buy this phone or not and I'm just waiting to see if more development is made on it to choose.
Bell has lowered the price of the phone by $100 until March 31st so I would like to make my decision before that time. Nexus S and Incredible S are also coming to Bell in April so I'm not sure what to do! But Atrix with unlocked bootloader is like unlimited potential!
Thanks,
Elliott
I too would like to know as well what his could mean to the Atrix. ANy one care reply?
please.
Here are the words from another member at this thread Source code (Android kernel, Ubuntu) now available
ikenley
It will make it easier for tweaks and optimization to occur without access to the bootloader.
It could also mean that there is a possibility for custom Roms for the truly gifted Developers who can do it without modifying the Kernel. Has happened for the Milestone and is currently being undertaken for the Milestone 2 (Droid 2)
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Thanks I saw that too...
Ahhh I want to wait until the Incredible S and even the Nexus S but the thought of having a dual core proc that is very fast is tempting to me...knowing that these devices only have single cores they're not as future proof...but neither is the Atrix if no development is done on it.
I'm fairly sure the source wont disappear for android that is... the kernel stuff maybe? I think android is GPL'd so it has to be released after modification as part of the license.
Starholdest said:
Thanks I saw that too...
Ahhh I want to wait until the Incredible S and even the Nexus S but the thought of having a dual core proc that is very fast is tempting to me...knowing that these devices only have single cores they're not as future proof...but neither is the Atrix if no development is done on it.
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I'm in the same boat as you. Even in Canada.
But I guess I'm going to take the plunge and get this phone I'm getting it tomorrow or the day after.
My reasoning is that there will be a new nexus by the end of the year. But I agree fully to what you said above. I wish Motorola made the Nexus S. I wish it was the atrix but an official google device. If only that happened.
Source Code : OSHWT_U1_4.257.14
Starholdest said:
Hi
I saw a post in the dev section titled "Source code (Android kernel, Ubuntu) now available".
I saw it here and downloaded it in case it disappears:
https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/sfmain/do/go/rel1543?selectedTab=files
What does this mean for the Atrix now? Is this anything special or won't help us at all? Will it be easier for the devs to crack the bootloader?
I'm still up in the air on whether to buy this phone or not and I'm just waiting to see if more development is made on it to choose.
Bell has lowered the price of the phone by $100 until March 31st so I would like to make my decision before that time. Nexus S and Incredible S are also coming to Bell in April so I'm not sure what to do! But Atrix with unlocked bootloader is like unlimited potential!
Thanks,
Elliott
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I see this is the source code for the original retail version (OLYFR_U4_1.2.6). I noticed on there website they also released the source code for what looks like the newest build they have out getting beta tested right now (OSHWT_U1_4.257.14) I might be wrong on that, but if it is, it seems Motorola might be getting easier to work with.
Motorola Website source code >> OSHWT_U1_4.257.14 <<
**Edit** Looks like this is the Source Code for the 'Atrix Webtop'. My bad...
http://www.facebook.com/LGItalia
The official LG Italy FB page just posted the following:
Ready to upgrade to Gingerbread? The new version of Android for mobile will be available from July for the holders of Optimus One. Some of the latest outing with upgraded graphics and features.
Among with the video of LG 01 with Gingerbread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y17GiSEpROI&feature=email
July??? FUUUUU...
XD
Damn it! I hope for end of May release.
Wel, at last we have the unofficial port of CyanogenMod 7
Maxwell Lost said:
Damn it! I hope for end of May release.
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Me too,why so lately?
lg sucks its just not happening they are delaying it too much to get official 2.3.3 ,who cares mik cm7 rules
Its a pitty, he didn´t show the kernel version in the video
shhbz said:
lg sucks its just not happening they are delaying it too much to get official 2.3.3 ,who cares mik cm7 rules
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What are you talking about? They never officially claimed it'd be out by May. This is the first official announcement since........ 4 months ago.
FnH84 said:
What are you talking about? They never officially claimed it'd be out by May. This is the first official announcement since........ 4 months ago.
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Are you sure about that?
LOOK HERE
Guys did u notice one thing,..., the camera app has the same icon as froyo..?
same goes for gallery, phone book, calc, ... the list goes on...
Also, battery, signal, 3g...are all weird ... especially signal...its supposed to turn green when its connected to google servers, isn't it?
Are u sure this is the " ufficiale " Gingerbread ROM for Optimus One p500 ?
Somehow I don't think LG will post such a HUGE RELEASE in such a small manner - video - that only a few come to know about ( initially )....( just thinking out aloud )
http://www.facebook.com/LGItalia
also on facebook:
We are still working on a new version that improves the management of the MicroSD (avoiding unwanted disconnections) and the management of the touch (do not let the CPU goes to 100% when you touch the display).
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Are you sure about that?
LOOK HERE
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Yes. That's not an official announcement, it's an estimation time.
hell1134 said:
Guys did u notice one thing,..., the camera app has the same icon as froyo..?
same goes for gallery, phone book, calc, ... the list goes on...
Also, battery, signal, 3g...are all weird ... especially signal...its supposed to turn green when its connected to google servers, isn't it?
Are u sure this is the " ufficiale " Gingerbread ROM for Optimus One p500 ?
Somehow I don't think LG will post such a HUGE RELEASE in such a small manner - video - that only a few come to know about ( initially )....( just thinking out aloud )
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Use common sense, please.
It's an official LG facebook page for Italian customers. The announcement was also made in Italian. Yes, it's official. But yes, it'll be made in English as well.
But I believe we will get it before the Italian version.
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LGintheBox says, that the Kernel is 2.6.35.10-perf [email protected] #1
I don't know what to believe. The release date keep getting pushed out. Last I was told, it should out in May...
I think LG wait for the Optimus 2x gingerbread update......Optimus One mustn't be the first phone with 2.3.....
Well, i think it will roll out on other country first, way before Italy...
I am on a Singaporean FW. Hope that means we will get it sooner. Praying...
We'll just have to wait and see.
Hopefully it will be released by the end of this month, but if it will be July, also not a big problem.
One way or the other, we're getting an official Gingerbread.
The Atrix Hd has been released for ATT and the Electrify has been released for US Cellular. Both of these phones have been given ICS in the stock form, i don't know about the boot loader but my thought is that with them both being Motorola and both of them being close to the photon, if we were to get a dump from one of them if not both of them we would be able to get the drivers and everything else that we would need to make all of the custom roms that are having camera issues and stuff get fixed. Has anyone taken a look at them and seen if we can use them?
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The Atrix Hd has been released for ATT and the Electrify has been released for US Cellular. Both of these phones have been given ICS in the stock form, i don't know about the boot loader but my thought is that with them both being Motorola and both of them being close to the photon, if we were to get a dump from one of them if not both of them we would be able to get the drivers and everything else that we would need to make all of the custom roms that are having camera issues and stuff get fixed. Has anyone taken a look at them and seen if we can use them?
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Nope im afraid not. None of the new moto releases are of very mu h help to us. Different processors and everything.
What about the ZTE Grand X? Thats a Tegra 2 with stock ICS...
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What about the ZTE Grand X? Thats a Tegra 2 with stock ICS...
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Yeah, we could probably benefit from that. Though i have a feeling joker and bill are already aware. But perhaps not.
I just pmed bill about it. We will see what happens.
Would be nice really .
Motorola seems so reluctant to help out photon users
Really they haven't fixed anything significant in past few months.
Buttery Smooth THS15 Deviled
there has to be a way we can get the drivers and stuff if Motorola isn't going to update us to ics any time soon. Hopefully if the two phones i posted don't work maybe the grand x can do the trick . I just hope the developers get a chance to take a look at one of those phones and see what they can pull from them
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there has to be a way we can get the drivers and stuff if Motorola isn't going to update us to ics any time soon. Hopefully if the two phones i posted don't work maybe the grand x can do the trick . I just hope the developers get a chance to take a look at one of those phones and see what they can pull from them
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According to Bill, he and Joker tried to implement the Grand X libs before but had trouble doing so. He informed me he was going to take a second look at it when it comes back from vacation. That phone seems to be our best bet at the moment. It's probably a lost cause though, unless Moto backs out for whatever reason those ICS drivers should be dropping for the Atrix very very soon.
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According to Bill, he and Joker tried to implement the Grand X libs before but had trouble doing so. He informed me he was going to take a second look at it when it comes back from vacation. That phone seems to be our best bet at the moment. It's probably a lost cause though, unless Moto backs out for whatever reason those ICS drivers should be dropping for the Atrix very very soon.
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I will be waiting for either patiently
Tried talking to Samsung to find out why those of us never receive updates to our software. Besides their chat being a joke as usual this is what i got:
Melina: I understand that you want to know why developer edition Galaxy S4 does not get updates like normal S4 . Is that correct?
Visitor: yes
Melina: Thank you for confirming.
Melina: May I know the model number of the device? To know the model number of the device, please tap on Home>> Applications>> Settings>>More tab>> About Device/About phone. It generally starts with SCH or SGH or SPH or GT.
Visitor: sch-i545
Melina: Thank you for the model number.
Melina: May I know your device base band version? You can find it in Applications>>Settings>>About Device/ About Phone.
Visitor: i545oyuamdk
Melina: Thank you for the information.
Melina: May I place you on hold for 2 minutes, while I gather the information on your request?
Visitor: yes
Melina: Thank you.
Melina: Thank you for waiting. I appreciate your time and patience.
Melina: I should inform you that your device has an update to Android 4.3 Jelly Bean through OTA( Over The Air) . OTA updates are pushed by the carrier. You need to contact your carrier and request them to push the update on your device.
Melina: You can contact Verizon support at 1-888-466-4646.
Click here to reach them online.
Melina: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00053701/63350/SCH-I545ZKDVZW
Melina: Please click on the above link to view how to update your device to Android 4.3 and information about the update.
Melina: Are you able to open the above link?
Visitor: yes i realize that this has this update which is why i am asking why i do not recieve it. YOu also pushed out 2 other OTA updates prior to this that only the consumer edition galaxy s4 got, the developer edition does not ever get them. The link you sent is for the update all galaxy s4 should be receiving but as if stated, noone who owns a developer edition gets these.
Melina: I understand your concern.
Melina: I should inform you that OTA updates are released by the carrier and not by Samsung. They push the update in batches by selecting devices randomly. You can contact them and request to push the update.
Visitor: i have contacted verizon before in regards to the previous updates not being installed. THey have informed me that you, samsung, does not release any of these updates for the developer edition, the updates you give to verizon are only good for the consumer edition. SO yes my question still stands why are there no updates for this version of the phone. Im sorry if you do not have an answer for this question please direct me to someone who does
Melina: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
Melina: I am sorry for the delay.
Melina: I should inform you that Kies software updates are provided by Samsung and OTA updates are provided by carrier. However I should inform you that boot loader of developers edition devices are by default unlocked and these phones are meant to install third party software on their devices thus Samsusng does not specifically provide software update. I request you to contact our higher level of chat support to know more information about the same.
Melina: You can contact our voice support at 1-888-987-4357, Mon-Fri: 7 AM - 9 PM (CST), Sat: 9 AM - 6 PM (CST).
So yes essentially they are never going to update the dev edition galaxy s4 from the current build. And as we know installing the consumer edition software is no good for our phone. So glad i spent $650 on a phone that will never receive updates.
You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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Absolutely...and I wouldn't be surprised if one shows up today.
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You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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That is not a stock software from Samsung. Yes it's nice to flash a rom, but if they had no intentions of updating the phone they should outline that before purchase. Why do you replace your phone over time? Because it becomes old and no longer recieves updated android. So by them selling a phone with no updates from the start, they are basically stating the device is EOL.
While true in the strictest sense, there really is no compelling reason to purchase the dev edition for anything but the unlocked bootloader. If all you were looking for was updated stock firmware, the three standard s4 is all that is needed. The dev s4 can effectively receive all the updates the standard s4 receives by using custom roms based on said updates. Also, the unlocked bootloader means you will be able to use custom roms of Android updates that are made long after Samsung ceases to make official updates for the device.
Samsung seems to always direct you back to the carrier (VZW) in this case. Irony is the the GPe version is not supported by the carrier but by Samsung/Google. Although google does not post the binaries either of the device. Since our device is locked to VZW I would bug Big Red for all its worth.
My 2 cents
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While true in the strictest sense, there really is no compelling reason to purchase the dev edition for anything but the unlocked bootloader. If all you were looking for was updated stock firmware, the three standard s4 is all that is needed. The dev s4 can effectively receive all the updates the standard s4 receives by using custom roms based on said updates. Also, the unlocked bootloader means you will be able to use custom roms of Android updates that are made long after Samsung ceases to make official updates for the device.
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This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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You are correct, sir!
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Personally, I agree with both sides. In one case, you have an unlocked bootloader for a reason.
I believe you dealt with an uninformed agent in that chat, as she was just reading from a script, you could tell with the whole "can I confirm you are" blah blah. Try getting on the phone and dealing with a live American rep.
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joshm.1219 said:
This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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I agree however i bought the dev edition solely for the fact i can customize it, and then run custom roms once i get bored of stock. Like any phone. However this leaves anyone with this phone no choice but to run custom roms for any updated software. It really doesn't matter what i wanted from the phone, or anyone else wanted, its solely the fact Samsung sold a phone with no intentions of supporting it beyond release. I can say that everyone who bought the standard gs4 should never have expected to run a custom rom and just be happy with stock as well, because thats exactly what the standard edition is made for. But we both know thats not true for the majority of people owning it. Samsungs selling point for the Dev edition is the choice to do what you want with it, by not supporting it they aren't giving you a choice to keep it stock (even though they give you no firmware image to get back to stock if you mess it up.) So yes i am right in saying they messed up big time with the Dev edition.
I have a conflicting view. I wouldnt personally want my developer edition phone to recieve updates, id rather want complete control over what is flashed to my device and I know I can just build a stock rom for the dev device from the consumer ed. updates. However not all people know how to build their own roms, know which partitions to ignore/modify/flash or know how to make it all come together and work. I think the issue is that there aren't many developers with dev s4's. Its possible to make odin images for all the corresponding consumer update builds. Dev edition devices are only limited by the ability and knowledge of their owners. Consumer devices dont get that luxary.
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Surge1223 said:
I have a conflicting view. I wouldnt personally want my developer edition phone to recieve updates, id rather want complete control over what is flashed to my device and I know I can just build a stock rom for the dev device from the consumer ed. updates. However not all people know how to build their own roms, know which partitions to ignore/modify/flash or know how to make it all come together and work. I think the issue is that there aren't many developers with dev s4's. Its possible to make odin images for all the corresponding consumer update builds. Dev edition devices are only limited by the ability and knowledge of their owners. Consumer devices dont get that luxary.
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I agree with that surge, the problem being like you said, those of us with limited development skillset cannot build the rom. guess I have something to learn
The other is brickability. Since the dev ed is more brickable without a true factory image to recover its a catch 22. Unlike the GPe there isn't any way to unlock the bootloader if it should become relocked.
my 2 cents
oakley470 said:
I agree however i bought the dev edition solely for the fact i can customize it, and then run custom roms once i get bored of stock. Like any phone. However this leaves anyone with this phone no choice but to run custom roms for any updated software. It really doesn't matter what i wanted from the phone, or anyone else wanted, its solely the fact Samsung sold a phone with no intentions of supporting it beyond release. I can say that everyone who bought the standard gs4 should never have expected to run a custom rom and just be happy with stock as well, because thats exactly what the standard edition is made for. But we both know thats not true for the majority of people owning it. Samsungs selling point for the Dev edition is the choice to do what you want with it, by not supporting it they aren't giving you a choice to keep it stock (even though they give you no firmware image to get back to stock if you mess it up.) So yes i am right in saying they messed up big time with the Dev edition.
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Well, just playing devil's advocate, you would think that the purpose of a developer edition is to have custom software on it. I agree with what you said about the expectations of someone who buys a stock phone of course, but it's obviously not true the majority of people owning a stock phone want custom software. I don't know if you meant to type it like that but I can assure you most people who buy the s4 in the world run normal Touchwiz and have no idea about ROM's, bootloaders, android versions, etc. I can make assumptions too about Samsung's selling point for the Dev Edition, but the only differentiating factor is an unlocked bootloader. The purpose of that is to run custom software, thus the purpose of the Dev Edition. Also, they might just assume the developers these devices are really meant for know how tobuild updated stock rom's if they wanted to. I understand your frustration in that it wasn't upfront information before you purchased it.
Buy a Dev phone with no knowledge of building ROMs and then complain about updates not being released for a phone built for ROM development purposes? Not sure why this is even an issue.
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chriskader said:
Buy a Dev phone with no knowledge of building ROMs and then complain about updates not being released for a phone built for ROM development purposes? Not sure why this is even an issue.
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Not sure why you felt the need to post? The complaint is valid for many with a dev edition, everyone was wondering why they don't receive the updates, I have now answered that.
Even if we didn't get otas it would be nice if they released an Odin flashable factory image for when we screw our phones up.
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Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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I agree although ROMing is the main activity with this phone other updates and software have nothing to do with the ROM. Since this is my first Dev Ed, I'm slightly disappointed.
I've tweeted with VZW to no avail but they seem to at least acknowledge the Dev Ed but don't have much info.
My 2 Cents
Schoat333 said:
Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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I agree. Dev edition phones are not just for running Roms. There is a reason that Stock images are put out there, so the those with Dev editions that do play around, have a way of getting back to a fresh restart. So a Dev edition is permanently locked on old software? That makes no sense. It should be up to Samsung to release the VZW 4.3 update for the Dev edition through Kies, not pushed, but offered. Those with Dev editions should have the ability to upgrade and still tinker, and given a the stock image to restart when necessary. It's why they shelled out the extra $.