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Thought I'd try to start a general Telus thread since there's stuff spread all over the place. Hope that's OK mods.
I bought my Telus Amaze on the second day out. Haven't tried to unlock the bootloader until now. Went through the HTCdev method and it failed. After submitting the hex code the dev site indicated it failed. No error code. Is there a solution?
I had trouble with the hexcode aswell, but I believe I just kept trying and it worked its self out, the htcdev website was being a dink half the time. I'm pretty sure there are other methods to unlock it
This is how I did it http://www.techzek.com/unlock-htc-amaze-4g%e2%80%99s-boot-loader/
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Unlock support for the Telus Amaze had been removed several weeks ago. There has been many request made to HTC for assistance. Last I seen on their Facebook page is that they are "working on it" ...no eta.
I've had the phone since day one and only decided to do the htcdev unlock after It had been removed.
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Trevorhimself said:
Unlock support for the Telus Amaze had been removed several weeks ago. There has been many request made to HTC for assistance. Last I seen on their Facebook page is that they are "working on it" ...no eta.
I've had the phone since day one and only decided to do the htcdev unlock after It had been removed.
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Yeah, tried to unlock several times now and no go. I don't understand why they would remove support for Telus when adding support for tmobile. It sucks. I can't help but wonder if Telus has something to do with it. Didn't HTC promise to unlock all future bootloaders? It makes no sense to allow it for one carrier but not another.
wow im glad i unlocked mine the first day i got it, this beastmod rom is awesome.
So, I called HTC Canada to ask about unlocking the bootloader. I explained that I had attempted to unlock and it had failed. She said, "It should work, hold the line a minute." She then came back on and said I don't see the Telus model listed under supported devices. I pointed out that prior to the tmobile being added the telus version could be unlocked, but now it can't. She had nothing to say. I asked if HTC is working on adding it. Her response was, "All I can do is refer you to the htcdev website." Basically, she knew nothing and was totally useless. She implied that all I can do is wait and hope. While I love the phone, I'm now regretting buying it due to lack of support from htc.
So unless things change, there's no way I'll ever have ICS on my phone since I know from experience that Telus never has any interest in updating their phones.
I decided to be persistent and have emailed htc regarding the bootloader. Here is the series of responses. My initial question was: Attempts to unlock the bootloader fail. When will the Telus Amaze be added? I thought HTC made a commitment to unlock all bootloaders.
Response 1. Thank you for taking the time to contact us here at HTC about the Bootloader for your HTC Amaze, Mark.
Here at HTC we encourage owners of our many devices to use their phones to their full potential. For many owners this involves unlocking the bootloader to experiment with different device ROMs. Although this is not something we would encourage everyone to do, we recognize that many cellphone users with a technical background may wish to do this with their device so that they can optimize the functionality of their device and customize it to suit their needs.
While we can't directly assist you with the process, because of the great demand from our customers we have provided you with the tools you will need to get the process started. Our developer site can be accessed at http://htcdev.com/devcenter. Once the bootloader for your device is available, it will be posted to this site.
This being said, HTC is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, certain models may not be unlockable due to operator restrictions. If your device is listed as unsupported, we would suggest you follow up with your mobile operator to let them know your interest in unlocking the bootloader.
Thank you for your interest in HTC and our devices. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have from 6am to 1am EST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
Sincerely,
Tara
HTC
My Response: Thank you for your response to my question about unlocking the bootloader. I just want to be clear about your answer. Are you saying that the bootloader is currently not unlockable because TELUS has placed restrictions which prevent me from unlocking my phone? I was under the impression that I bought an HTC phone, not a TELUS phone. Are you saying that HTC is waiting for permission or information from TELUS before it will add the TELUS Amaze to the htcdev site and make it unlockable. If so, do you know if TELUS has indicated a willingness to do this and it is forthcoming? If not I will be returning my HTC phone for a Samsung which is fully rootable.
Thanks again for your assistance.
HTC Response 2: Thank you for your response, Mark. Please allow us to clarify.
When it comes to the bootloader for each device, all the information we have at this time is that once the bootloader for your device is available it will be posted to our developer site, which can be accessed at http://htcdev.com/devcenter.
Unfortunately we cannot provide a timeframe for the release of the HTC Amaze bootloader, Mark. We do apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause, and we thank you again for contacting HTC.
My response: Thanks again for your quick response.
Sorry to be so persistent but I just want to be sure I understand. Does a team at htcdev.com (or one associated with it) develop the bootloader, or does it come from the provider (Telus)? Would contacting Telus make any difference or are they just going to tell me that it is HTC who must make it available and that Telus has nothing to do with it.
Thanks for your patience.
HTC response: Thank you for your prompt reply Mark.
HTC, not your carrier, is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, certain models may not be unlockable due to operator restrictions. Please refer to our list of supported devices to see if your device is eligible for unlocking the bootloader.
For more information on unlocking the bootloader please feel free to visit our developer page at www.htcdev.com. We apologize as we here at Technical Support cannot, and do not support the bootloader unlocking of any HTC device.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you Mark. Keep in mind that we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
My last response: I'm sorry but you are not answering my question, but simply repeating an apparent canned response. Please explain what "operator restrictions" are. Aren't I the operator? By operator do you mean carrier? The Tmobile Amaze is unlockable but the Telus Amaze is not. Is that because Tmobile allows it but Telus doesn't?
All I really want is a straight answer as to why this is the case. How are the phones different given that prior to the Tmobile being added to the htcdev site one could unlock the Telus Amaze too. Since the Tmobile was added the Telus will not unlock.
Please provide a straight and clear answer. I am rapidly losing faith in HTC. Given the recent court case loss to Apple, HTC cannot afford to alienate customers. I want to remain loyal but I feel I am being given the run-around.
UPDATE: Htc's last reply: We apologize if you feel that we are not providing you with enough information regarding the unlocking of the bootloader. However; we here at Technical Support really do not have that much information regarding this issue. This is on the development side of things that we do not have access to or clearance for. We do not support or trouble shoot this area of development. This is really a hands off area for us.
With regards to your question regarding "operator restrictions". This is a restriction based on the carrier, not the end user. We apologize as we are unable to elaborate any further on this issue. Again, for more information on unlocking the bootloader please feel free to visit our developer page at www.htcdev.com.
So who know's where we stand on this. Maybe HTC's right hand is working on it but their left hand doesn't know. Or maybe Telus has no intention of allowing us to unlock our bootloader. I guess we wait. The GSII is looking better and better at this point.
I've gotten a call from HTC support and received the same canned answers as well as direction to get in touch with Telus' support system.
I basically told the lady that their support staff isn't going to be able to tell me any more than she could and that I would really appreciate it if she could pass my request on to her supervisor and from there on the development side of things so I could get a solid answer as to wether or not this is a software related issue, or a "Telus has told us not to unlock their phones" issue.
If its the latter I can call them and start up a storm of curses and complaints, but until I do get a solid answer, I'll have telus and htc sending me back and forth to each others support lines.
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Here is what I got from telus
I spoke with our Data and Network Assistance Team and they have advised that what you're inquiring about is all based on what HTC plans to do. In this instance, you may wish to contact HTC directly for any further information:
- 1-866-449-8356
- Web site: www.htc.com
- E-mail: [email protected]
Please note that once any software upgrade is available, it will be listed on our Web site, therefore, you can periodically click on this link and in the upper right hand corner you'll see notification about software updates:
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/ON/client_help/index.shtml
sbalko said:
Here is what I got from telus
I spoke with our Data and Network Assistance Team and they have advised that what you're inquiring about is all based on what HTC plans to do. In this instance, you may wish to contact HTC directly for any further information:
- 1-866-449-8356
- Web site: www.htc.com
- E-mail: [email protected]
Please note that once any software upgrade is available, it will be listed on our Web site, therefore, you can periodically click on this link and in the upper right hand corner you'll see notification about software updates:
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/ON/client_help/index.shtml
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Clearly somebody doesn't know what their talking about. Nothing will appear on Telus' website since it isn't software we are asking about. What a bunch of idiots.
This is typical. Htc says it's Telus' fault, Telus says it's htc's fault. In the meantime customers of both companies get ****ed.
Just saw this post and thought you all might be interested.
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Hey guys I just tried unlocking my mobilicity amaze 4g bootloader from htcdev.com and it just went through and I got the key with the email! :| I'm so excited YAY!
Telus and wind users you guys should try it out too. And let everyone know here.
Thanks!
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Just saw this post and thought you all might be interested.
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I just got another msg back from HTC stating the usual "we're working on it" and recommended I speak with Telus to ensure they are away that the unlocked bootloader is an interest of their customers...
Gotta love the game of pass the buck!
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Just tried it and it failed as usual. Blank error msg. I see that the Wind and Mobilicity Amaze are both now listed but the Telus is not. This leads me to believe that is it Telus who is holding things up for us. Hope it comes soon.
marleyfan61 said:
Just tried it and it failed as usual. Blank error msg. I see that the Wind and Mobilicity Amaze are both now listed but the Telus is not. This leads me to believe that is it Telus who is holding things up for us. Hope it comes soon.
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It is up and running now. I just finished unlocking my Telus Amaze.
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It is up and running now. I just finished unlocking my Telus Amaze.
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Hey, thanks for posting this. Although they still haven't listed the Telus Amaze on their supported devices list it actually worked for me too this time. Finally I am unlocked and can root and flash.
Im on Telus as well worked for me im unlocked and rooted
Holy ****.
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Holy ****.
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Last post in this thread was 3 weeks ago. Thanks for dropping in with this enlightening and insightful post. Was there a point you wanted to make?
I'd also like to root my Telus Amaze. Has anyone figured out a work around of some sort? Reading the above posts, it seems like some of you managed to get it working via the HTCdev site. What steps did you guys take exactly in order to get it working?
Thanks in advance.
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I'd also like to root my Telus Amaze. Has anyone figured out a work around of some sort? Reading the above posts, it seems like some of you managed to get it working via the HTCdev site. What steps did you guys take exactly in order to get it working?
Thanks in advance.
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Go to the HTCdev site above, sign up for a free account if you don't have one, log in with it and go to "Unlock bootloader" follow the instructions on the screen and they will walk you through the rest.
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OPERATION: Make Ourselves Heard (#OPMOSH) 2.0
"Developer Edition"
DISCLAIMER:
We here, in the movement of #OPMOSH do not consider this spam, we do not consider this slandering Moto, we simply use this as a method of having our concerns heard. Motorola Mobility Inc. has been a powerful company that has been around for a very long time, and one we hope to see long in the future as well, before and after the Google buyout (which, might I add, is not completed). That being said...
Prologue:
Motorola Mobility Inc.'s executives and PR team have become famous for lying, having generally poor consumer relations, and amongst all, having a tendency to flat out prove time and time again that it cares very little for its customers after they walk out of that store with their shiny Motorola-branded device. It's definitely not hard to find examples of this - their refusal to upgrade devices that are fully capable of running the latest Android OS, the XOOM 4G upgrade fiasco, re-releasing phones with the same hardware but the most current OS (Defy/Defy+, anyone?), and even locking their bootloaders in the first place. Galaxy Nexus users around the world are laughing in our faces, now. But why is that?
Well, since the early days of Android, post Droid 1, we have (mostly) remained quiet about our locked bootloaders, hoping that one day Motorola would take a second glance at us, and follow other companies leads. The Droid X, the Droid 2, Droid 2 Global, Droid X2, Droid Bionic, and dozens more devices slid by with locked bootloaders, to the dismay of those wanting a long-term device like the Droid 1 was... There came to be a boiling point, though - and many, MANY full-out wars were launched on their social media sites, just a year ago. Sound familiar? Yes, the same thing that worked with HTC's (and now with Asus') bootloader policies.
At the end of the most successful campaign, known as the #UnlockMoto movement (which I extend my deepest gratitude towards everyone involved in), we received a broad, carefully worded announcement, via AusDroid, that unlockable bootloaders were being looked into. Flash forward to late 2011, and we're given another announcement, still quite broad, about the unlockable bootloaders... a "second half of 2011" timing for software releases, via MOTODEV.
...Welcome to Q1 2012, Motorola fans. Not only have they missed their deadline, and rogue-edited their blog post's timeframe for the bootloader unlock software rollout from the "second half of 2011" to "later this year", but they have actually given an official announcement of their plans... to release a completely separate HARDWARE version of the RAZR with an unlockable bootloader. This is unacceptable for those of us who dished out 700 dollars, full retail, to get our brand new Droid RAZR/Droid RAZR MAXX in hopes that they would eventually set free, and even MORE unacceptable for Droid 3, Bionic, and other Motorola users that don't even get an eyelash batted at. DOWNRIGHT UNACCEPTABLE. Basically... Motorola has screwed us over. Again.
But we here at #OPMOSH aren't done. Raise your voices - let's Make OurSelves Heard yet again, to let Moto know that this "Developer Edition" RAZR had better be available either as a trade for our devices, old or new, paying the difference in price, or not at all, since we all bought our devices in hopes that they would keep their word in the first place. Everyone counts!
Moto's Facebook - Moto's Twitter - Petition - FCC Complaints (Against Verizon)
So....What can I do?
Well, at this time, we don't know whether it is Verizon's or Motorola's decision that is causing all of these bootloader-related problems, so there's quite a few general things that you can do to help inch them along. The most important of them all would be to...
FIRST OFF, SIGN THE PETITION:
This is included in the email, so it is crucial that it continues to grow in number.
This petition is specifically worded so that they unlock their EXISTING bootloaders rather than releasing ~Developer's Editions~ of all of their phones. So much for their plans to not saturate the market with 9,000 phones in 2012, right?
Then....
TRY CALLING VERIZON'S EXECUTIVES.
Make sure before calling that you are very informed about the issue and confident in your position, yet can be quite calm. Do not show any disrespect towards Marie H or the person you call. They are merely the (wo)man-in-the-middle, and you simply need to explain to them your position and back it up with facts. Also, do note that all times are EST.
Call Marie H. at (412) 266-7756 on Monday - Fridays, 8 am to 5 pm. OR Michelle at (803) 231-1787 on Monday - Fridays, 7 am to 4 pm. OR Call Verizon customer service at *611 or (800) 922-0204 and get to a rep by mashing 0.
This is something you cannot copy-paste, unfortunately. Here are some guidelines that should help you be successful in your endeavor:
- First off, if you get the voicemail, leave your name, number, and a time you can be contacted in case they wish to follow-up call.
- Mention that many are filing FCC complaints because locking smartphone bootloaders prevents users from installing the software that they want (the OS), and thus violates Block C guidelines. (Do research in case this is brought into question)
- Mention that HTC, Motorola, and Samsung have bootloader-unlockable devices on the network right now, so there's no legitimate reason to be selling a totally new device... (HTC has their 2011 devices, Moto has the Xoom, and Samsung the Galaxy Nexus)
- Mention that the bootloader being unlocked does not allow the device to do anything that a laptop that is using a 4G hotspot cannot do even faster/more efficiently, including hogging network resources.
- Mention that the bootloaders being FORCE locked (as in, not unlockable) does not offer protection from any present viruses or attacks of Android devices.
- Mention also that unlocking the bootloaders could very well use a system like HTC uses - which stores the IMEI of the device and voids its software warranty indefinitely, making Verizon's warranty services not liable for what a user installs on their device.
- Close your talk/voicemail by stating the number of signatures on the petition, currently well over 5,000, and saying that this is a widespread concern of many users, that wish Android to be truly open.
- Say thank you before you hang up, it'll really give off a good impression.
Also, you could...
TRY AN FCC COMPLAINT:
http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm
Select Wireless Telephone > Billing, Service, Privacy, Number Portability and other issues > Online Form. Fill out your information, scroll down, fill out 1 and 2, skip 3 and 4. Then in 5:
- Tell the FCC that your phone’s bootloader was sold to you locked, preventing the regulatory requirement of BLOCK C Devices (MAKE SURE TO MENTION BLOCK C!!!) that "Consumers should be able to download and utilize any software applications, content, or services they desire" - make sure to cite that.
- Also helpful would be dispelling the "Reasonable network management" exclusion. Tell the FCC that Verizon allows tethering of unauthorized devices to 4G LTE services through their mobile hotspots and their paid phone tethering functionality as-is, ones that are more bandwidth-hungry and also permit installing custom operating systems, and have a potential of doing significantly more damage, such as laptops.
If you don't want to write yours up manually, we will have a pre-made step 5 that you can just copy paste soon, hopefully.
Don't forget to...
TRY EMAILING:
TO: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
To Whom It May Concern,
Motorola, please, we beg of you to hear us out. We bought your devices faithfully, some of us standing in line, some of us saving our hard-earned money for weeks, for months, because we were so excited to get our hands on this shiny new piece of technology, be it the Droid 3, the RAZR, the Droid RAZR, the Bionic, the Atrix 4G... Even the Droid X, Droid 2, Milestone, and other users. We were aching to do the impossible with it - to break records with unparalleled speed, to optimize, to customize. To shun those who didn't believe in you delivering on your promise to unlock the full potential for your well-constructed devices, Motorola. We've been faithfully waiting.
And waiting, and waiting. Until today, when you delivered the announcement of the Motorola RAZR Developer's Edition. And unfortunately, this is not like the XOOM's 4G upgrade, where users could send in their already purchased devices - no. This is a completely new device. There is zero compensation or consideration for those of us who already have Motorola-branded phones in our hands.
Motorola.... We Droid RAZR users... We Atrix 4G users... We Droid Bionic users... Even we Droid RAZR MAXX users that got our phones less than a week ago... What about us, Motorola? You gave us your word. It was a tipping decision for a lot of your buyers that purchased the Droid RAZR, to know that we would be a part of history, having the very first Motorola device with an unlockable bootloader. Why did you alienate us? You saw all of our petitions, and this announcement seems a lot like a one-trick pony, something that will start here, not sell well (because we've already purchased the exact same phone and aren't financially able to purchase another), and never happen again. Will there ever be a consumer device that also doubles as a treat for the enthusiasts, like the Transformer Prime? Or any of HTC's devices? As faithful customers, we've been faithfully waiting.
This is like a slap in the face to every buyer of your high-end phones. We very much do appreciate that you're trying, but this is not the solution you need, or that we need. At least not in its current form. Please put your foot down firmly. If Verizon is causing this, you do have the ability to change it. Nexus devices changed it. HTC changed it.
Honor your core demographic, the Android enthusiasts, and unlock your devices. If not the ones you've already released, then all in the future. 2012 is an important year for all of us. Please.
Sincerely,
One of the over 15,000 people represented by the internet petitions listed below.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Or...
TRY TWEETING:
Really, @Motorola? I don't see any mention of a "Developer's Edition". http://moto.ly/icsboot #OPMOSH2
Or even...
TRY POSTING ON THEIR FACEBOOK WALL:
I'm fairly sure a "Developer's Edition" of the same phone isn't a "software release", Motorola. Give us a break. http://moto.ly/icsboot
But above all...
MAKE SURE TO SIGN THE PETITION!!
It is the backbone of this movement. We need as many signatures as possible.
We NEED to be heard to get anywhere. Spread the word to your Facebook friends, your Twitter friends, your Google Talk friends, your Google+ friends, your favorite Android news site, local newspaper, lawyers... Spread the word! Bring freedom to the Android ecosystem, like Andy Rubin and Rich Miner intended.
Thank you SO much for your support. This community is amazing and I know our endeavors will come to fruition soon. See you on Moto's Facebook!
Already started! Been spamming facebook for two days...
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what is the point of this? if it's about the bootloaders try spamming Verizon instead as Motorola has already announced that the bootloaders are locked at the discretion of carrier
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what is the point of this? if it's about the bootloaders try spamming Verizon instead as Motorola has already announced that the bootloaders are locked at the discretion of carrier
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If they don't push for it but rather propose the idea lightly, we're not going to get anywhere. HTC and Samsung (w/ the help of google) did it, so can Moto.
Plus, they promised the second half of 2011, and they haven't started in any market anywhere, internationally or state-side.
And hey, the voice of the people just got Verizon to rethink its $2 convenience fee.
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The voice of the people is what got us that announcement in the first place. Go!
The bootloaders will be unlocked with ICS this has been comfirmed by a VZW employee but the release date for ICS is still up in the air
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The bootloaders will be unlocked with ICS this has been comfirmed by a VZW employee but the release date for ICS is still up in the air
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Is this the same employee that told us the nexus would come out on december eighth?
Time for my daily motorola facebook spam.
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Is this the same employee that told us the nexus would come out on december eighth?
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Yeah seriously if it's not an executive it means nothing, and an executive would never just announce something like that casually.
con5tant said:
what is the point of this? if it's about the bootloaders try spamming Verizon instead as Motorola has already announced that the bootloaders are locked at the discretion of carrier
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Thats already been proven as a BS excuse from Moto. HTC unlocked their bootloaders on VZW's phones.
Just post this over and over on their facebook wall.
“In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”
HTC was allowed by Verizon Wireless to unlock the HTC Thunderbolt, your excuses are invalid now Moto!
Start a petition at http://www.change.org like the one that just made Verizon change the $2 fee....
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Just post this over and over on their facebook wall.
“In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”
HTC was allowed by Verizon Wireless to unlock the HTC Thunderbolt, your excuses are invalid now Moto!
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hmm....late 2011....seems like that has come and gone now.
I'm not entirely sure why people are touting your excuses are now invalid based on HTC unlocking their bootloaders. It's not like Motorola and HTC are going to have identical contracts with Verizon
HTC and Samsung were able to pull it off. I highly highly doubt their contract even brushes against the bootloaders at all, anyway.
What if moto is just hiding behind the carriers to never unlock them. Yes others have done it and to me it doesn't that hard to convince a carrier, unless of course you're not trying too hard. We can all move onto other devices but really what's the ratio of us hardcore users vs those that don't even know what a bootloader is. We can spam their social pages I guess but even there you're getting resistance from regular users who aren't in our hardcore world standing up for moto thinking they are the greatest thing since slice bread. But hey, if we don't try who's going to.
Asus felt the heat, now it's time we step our game up on Moto. Can someone repost this wherever possible (X, X2, Bionic, Xyboard, Atrix 2, Rootz, Droidforums, etc. Forums) and link back to this thread so we stay organized, and we'll launch a full out war against Moto for their lies. Go!
(Also feel free to click Submit this Thread as a News Tip at the top right thanks ok)
If anything, it should be easier for Moto to do this than for HTC or Samsung, since Moto devices carry Verizon's Android experience. Not that the HTC and Sammy phones are bad or worse, but phones like the Droid, Droid X, Droid 2, Droid Bionic, Droid RAZR, etc. are the flagship phones for Verizon. If anything, Verizon has more onus to be harsh with HTC and Samsung over Motorola (Bing as default comes to mind).
They already have the phone-side software there on the newer models, we're just waiting for them to flip the switch on "fastboot oem unlock" to allow. That's literally it. It's stupidly easy. Keep going!
We need your help to unlock all Motorola bootloaders.
Help us by signing the petition to achieve 7500 signatures.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Regards.
Have we not been over this 100 times already, its not up to the OM's it is the vendors.
Lol. Idiots will be idiots
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And that's why HTC and Sony Ericsson have been unlocking the bootloaders of their phones right?
You obviously don't have a clue so please stop replying nonsense!
Why don't you just show some support and sign the damn petition so that we can at least have a chance of finally being heard...
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Have we not been over this 100 times already, its not up to the OM's it is the vendors.
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Lol. Idiots will be idiots
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The answer to your post.
HTC is going to unlock bootloaders for their future devices. And that could lead to loosing partnership with many carriers. As for existing phones - here is what I've asked to motorola support:
Customer By Web Form (Artur Korobeynyk) 26/01/2012 04.19 PM
Hi! I've just purchased your Motorola Photon 4G device of a Sprint Carrier here in Ukraine. It is a used phone, but in my country I have no other option. Best of your devices (like Photon, some Droids) are not available officially here as those are bound to some US carriers. And I wanted Photon so much. I read somewhere that Motorola is capable of unlocking devices for use with any sim card with some specific activation code. If that is true, than how can I get this kind of service (of course I understand that it should not be free of charge)
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Response Via Email (Adriana) 27/01/2012 12.33 PM
Customer Reference number:120127-003406
Dear Mr. Korobeynyk,
Thank you for contacting Motorola.
In response to your query, please note that Motorola is not unlocking devices, this network provider who locked the phone to their SIM cards should do this. You can contact them for unlocking code or you can try to contact repair center in Ukraine ( +380442963572 )
Kind regards,
Adriana
Motorola Mobility
+7 (499) 9228668
Beach_Head said:
And that's why HTC and Sony Ericsson have been unlocking the bootloaders of their phones right?
You obviously don't have a clue so please stop replying nonsense!
Why don't you just show some support and sign the damn petition so that we can at least have a chance of finally being heard...
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HTC unclocked and had repercussions, one being Sprint never approved it.
The petition will get no where when aimed at OM's, if you really understood it you would focus on vendors. They set the requirements, one being they do not want rouge devices on their networks.
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If that were true then why are they launching the Galaxy Nexus which has an unlockable/relockable bootloader?
I suggest you brush up on the subject a little more seeing as your "understanding" of it is a mis-understanding of it!
FYI, an unlocked bootloader won't do **** to the carrier or its network otherwise, Google wouldn't be doing it via their Nexus devices. And CM development would've stopped at version 1 instead of being at version 9 right now...
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HTC unclocked and had repercussions, one being Sprint never approved it.
The petition will get no where when aimed at OM's, if you really understood it you would focus on vendors. They set the requirements, one being they do not want rouge devices on their networks.
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halfdriven said:
HTC unclocked and had repercussions, one being Sprint never approved it.
The petition will get no where when aimed at OM's, if you really understood it you would focus on vendors. They set the requirements, one being they do not want rouge devices on their networks.
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Dude, you spent more effort being a tool than just signing the petition (or not).
It most likely isn't Motorola but the carriers. In an article about the new Droid Razr Developer Edition which can be pre-ordered now, Moto states that "consumer version of the Droid Razr is heavily protected against third-party ROMs, which Motorola says is necessary in order to "continue meeting our carrier and regulatory obligations,".
If you aren't aware this DE version comes unlocked and supplied with no warranty. It is supposed to be coming to a carrier in the US in the future.
What this tells me is the manufacturers have no problem unlocking devices and the carrier determines whether it can be unlocked.
Just some food for thought.
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It most likely isn't Motorola but the carriers. In an article about the new Droid Razr Developer Edition which can be pre-ordered now, Moto states that "consumer version of the Droid Razr is heavily protected against third-party ROMs, which Motorola says is necessary in order to "continue meeting our carrier and regulatory obligations,".
If you aren't aware this DE version comes unlocked and supplied with no warranty. It is supposed to be coming to a carrier in the US in the future.
What this tells me is the manufacturers have no problem unlocking devices and the carrier determines whether it can be unlocked.
Just some food for thought.
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+1
tools (6bowmans, Beach_Head) take note
halfdriven said:
+1
tools (6bowmans, Beach_Head) take note
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Hey genius, if you had noticed, I thanked CCallahan for his comment. He and Beach_Head are at least adding differing opinions based on some facts. You (nor I for that matter) are not. Believe it or not, I tend to agree with you and CCallahan. However, Beach_Head has some valid points. Getting back to the OP, either sign the petition, or if not, provide some value in your response/rebuttal. That's all I have to say about that.
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Have we not been over this 100 times already, its not up to the OM's it is the vendors.
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Guess you missed my first post
dantonel said:
We need your help to unlock all Motorola bootloaders.
Help us by signing the petition to achieve 7500 signatures.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Regards.
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Jeez - do people still think that online petitions do anything?
willysp said:
Jeez - do people still think that online petitions do anything?
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Maybe not but it for sure doesn't hurt anything to do it and if peeps want to spend some of their time working on it then why not.
I support anyone trying to make a change even if it doesn't result in much. At least it is showing some positive community movement.
Haha. Motorola are full of it. Why are Samsung selling so many phones on most networks? Motorola are milking the consumer so they don't have to go through the amount of returns Samsung have.
Is it morally wrong to make use of the unlocked bootloaders, brick your phone and claim warranty? Maybe but very low percentage do and this could be user repairable if they made their chips load USB loader in hardware as a complete backup.
Maybe also could have a hardware bootloader which loads boot information from nand like PC's. That would make them virtually unbrickable without hardware damage. Win win.
Moto just wanna lay excuses for more money.
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Always take what Moto says with a grain of salt...
I was there when the first petition was made late 2010: Motorola Bootloader Groubal
We generated 11,303 signatures and Moto said they'd provide an unlock solution before the end of 2011.
It's 2012 now and nothing. That Razr DE phone is a slap in the face for everyone that relied on their promise for an unlock solution for their devices. Not to mention to the first adopters who bought the Razr when it launched and our now faced with the Maxx and that DE phone.
HTC and Sony Ericsson were taking the same heat and yet as early as May 2011, they had already launched their unlock solution. A solution that affected new and current devices at the time. So if it were really a carrier decision, wouldn't the carriers have had a field day when those solutions were announced?
And this year, Verizon, T-Mo, and AT&T still have HTC and Sony Ericsson phones in their line up. If a device with an unlocked bootloader would cause issues on their network, then why would they continue using devices from those manufacturers?
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It most likely isn't Motorola but the carriers. In an article about the new Droid Razr Developer Edition which can be pre-ordered now, Moto states that "consumer version of the Droid Razr is heavily protected against third-party ROMs, which Motorola says is necessary in order to "continue meeting our carrier and regulatory obligations,".
If you aren't aware this DE version comes unlocked and supplied with no warranty. It is supposed to be coming to a carrier in the US in the future.
What this tells me is the manufacturers have no problem unlocking devices and the carrier determines whether it can be unlocked.
Just some food for thought.
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All your scoreboarding and +1's prove nothing other than your ignorance on the subject matter.
If you're looking for a tool, look in front of the mirror...
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+1
tools (6bowmans, Beach_Head) take note
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Lol. Idiots will be idiots
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I know that you mean no harm, (let's not start an argument here), but some people don't realize that...
Signed.......... no matter the outcome. Took 5 seconds.
Petitions do work to some extent especially with the recent Stop SOPA/PIPA Campaign, however it only works with those who have money and are able to get enough media exposure. It never hurts to try.
I signed my digital John Hancock.
Hey Beach_Head, lets agree to disagree and move on. The discussion has been fun but like 6bowmans said were really not adding anything to the topic. Hope there are no hard feelings. My apologies to everyone.
posting on behalf of a friend. we need to get Adam Outler, alqi, and rakeldev working on this they were crucial for the s3 becoming unlocked on VZW. this device is too awesome to stay locked down let's give VZW the finger.
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posting on behalf of a friend. we need to get Adam Outler, alqi, and rakeldev working on this they were crucial for the s3 becoming unlocked on VZW. this device is too awesome to stay locked down let's give VZW the finger.
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Or everyone should email HTC saying to grow a pair of balls and tell VZW we want our phones unlocked bootloader.
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Or everyone should email HTC saying to grow a pair of balls and tell VZW we want our phones unlocked bootloader.
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Or everyone could be patient and realize that there are several people out there that can get it done, and patience is a virtue.
Or everyone could email HTC which will promptly get deleted and/or ignored. HTC isn't your customer folks, Verizon is. HTC's customer is Verizon, and they make money off them, not you. Skipping the middleman won't do a thing except prompt a precanned sympathy response.
You know that the S3 was unlocked because someone leaked an engineering bootloader, right? None of the devs actually hacked it.
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First off I know this has been done before so please either help or keep your negative comments to yourself. Thank you
So I started a petition to AT&T to try to have somthing done about the locked bootloaders on devices purchased from them. And as I've read you guys with the m8 can unlock your bootloader. Not through att but other sources. So I ask you to put your John Hancock on the petition and try to help all of us with att devices so that we can enjoy the freedom that android OS was made for. Link below, I and the development community thank you for your support.
https://www.change.org/petitions/att-give-us-the-freedom-to-modify-and-build-unlock-our-bootloaders
Also I've sent c.e.o Randall Stephenson a e-mail but have had no reply (to be expected). Samsung on the other hand at least replied.
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And as I've read you guys with the m8 can unlock your bootloader. Not through att but other sources.
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The boot loader unlock for the M8 is through HTC and with AT&Ts blessing. It's not a hack.
Just want to set the facts straight.
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redpoint73 said:
The boot loader unlock for the M8 is through HTC and with AT&Ts blessing. It's not a hack.
Just want to set the facts straight.
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Nothing to set straight. I never said att offered nor did they impede your device from being able to have that service through a third party. But for us Sammy users it's different. We have no third party offering this service and att is not wanting to let Sammy users unlock bootloaders though support software on their site. So we just want what you have, freedom to do with what we purchased. I do thank you for taking the time to reply and hopefully you took the time to sign.
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I signed the petition. I don't think ANY vendor should have their Android devices locked. I also don't think any vendor should be expected to un-brick our devices, should we jack them up. I'm the same way with Apple's junk. I jailbroke every Apple product I have had as well.
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I signed the petition. I don't think ANY vendor should have their Android devices locked. I also don't think any vendor should be expected to un-brick our devices, should we jack them up. I'm the same way with Apple's junk. I jailbroke every Apple product I have had as well.
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That's all I'm asking is for the option to willingly void our warranty if we so choose to. And if we brick our device then yes, no way should at&t be held accountable for your or my actions should we fubar our device. I thank you for your support in signing the petition.:thumbup:
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