[Q] which one is better bell or AT&T? - Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I am in possession of both bell atrix and ATT atrix. I have to sell one and keep one but I cannot decide which one?
I like to have root access and play with roms. I have a lapdock as well.
what is your suggestion? which one should I keep?

You might be most qualified to answer this question since you have both phones. Maybe run quadrant on each.? Maybe Linpack too? And definately a speed test. You kind of have me wondering now if there is a substancial difference between the two phones. From reading around the forum it does appear the att version is recieving more attention.

Initially I would've said AT&T hands down..but now i'm not so sure. Since Seven's been able to get the Bell Atrix so that we can install At&T pseudo roms and themes..with the Bell atrix you're going to be more open to updates (from international carriers)..and thus more opportunity for potential updates.
Any bootloader bypass will most likely come from the At&t version however..so it makes it a tough call (although i'm sure once it's bypassed on AT&t's version..it won't be too long before it's applicable to the Bell/International versions)

as of now, I would stick with the AT&T version

I know that the bell atrix doesn't have sideloading disabled. i heard that this was an issue with the att one. Also, I'm not sure about the hsdpa+ speeds being blocked, I would check into that.

As suggested I ran Quadrant on both phones. some background about the phones:
1. ATT
original image, no mods, no theme, unlocked rooted, my primary phone
score 2652
2. BELL
modded phone using bell_deodex_v8, unlocked rooted
score 2803
I feel that the mod on BELL phone and/or ATT having more apps on it has to do with the difference in score.
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As for side rolling it is possible to open it on ATT if you have root.

devbro said:
As suggested I ran Quadrant on both phones. some background about the phones:
1. ATT
original image, no mods, no theme, unlocked rooted, my primary phone
score 2652
2. BELL
modded phone using bell_deodex_v8, unlocked rooted
score 2803
I feel that the mod on BELL phone and/or ATT having more apps on it has to do with the difference in score.
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As for side rolling it is possible to open it on ATT if you have root.
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Ohh yeah most Roms add that feature to your device with my setup I have sideloading enabled. Im not familiar with bell so I can't have say on your OP but hope this helps some
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Not to be cynical, but why do you have both and what carrier are you on? And what country? The AT&T seems to get most of the attention here, as well as Motorola's updates tend to arrive in the USA first, but it mostly depends on your preference.

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Bell's sbf

Does anybody have bell's sbf, please share me. Thank u so much.
jynlele said:
Does anybody have bell's sbf, please share me. Thank u so much.
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ROFLMAO...
If anyone on this forum had the SBF, it would already be out....
jynlele said:
Does anybody have bell's sbf, please share me. Thank u so much.
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Nope, Bell has not released the Atrix's SBF and we were not as lucky as our US counterpart to get the SBF leaked out to us.
Here it is but its really slow right now wait a couple days for it to be mirrored
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042499
Bell sbf is now available
Bell SBF is now available on my thread
OLYEM_U4_1.4.2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042499
Note this is Aussie Firmware. It does work on bell devices but you can't root it yet and therefore can't easily get back to your bell rom if you need to.
y2whisper said:
Note this is Aussie Firmware. It does work on bell devices but you can't root it yet and therefore can't easily get back to your bell rom if you need to.
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who cares.. you can't get back to your bell rom anyways no matter what.. so its a very good option to those who softbricked their bell phones since the chance of us (bell users) getting an SBF is almost impossible.
Bell sbf firmware
I have an idea, in the Atrix, under settings, About Phone, system updates you can request an update but it checks the version number then reports back, Your device is up to date. Is it possible to modify the version number so that it would re download the SBF, just an idea.
seven2099 said:
who cares.. you can't get back to your bell rom anyways no matter what.. so its a very good option to those who softbricked their bell phones since the chance of us (bell users) getting an SBF is almost impossible.
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true its good for those who have soft bricked, but for those thinking this is some kind of update to flash will be stuck on that until root pr a real sbf comes out for bell.
to be honest there is no reason not to upgrade to this new SBF..
HSPA is unlocked and it is faster.
I seriously seriously doubt we will see a formal Bell HSPA unlocked SBF soon, if not EVER...
Bell is terrible about holding back updates, its not Motorola's fault but more over the carrier.
Can I flash this via clock work mod... If not is there any way to do it via adb on mac?
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
seven2099 said:
to be honest there is no reason not to upgrade to this new SBF..
HSPA is unlocked and it is faster.
I seriously seriously doubt we will see a formal Bell HSPA unlocked SBF soon, if not EVER...
Bell is terrible about holding back updates, its not Motorola's fault but more over the carrier.
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I hear you there in fact I just joined you in doing the switch. Just making notes for those who think this is a bell sbf that may want to go back. Good to warn them that right now you can't. (hey some people like the bloatware, or miss the customizations they had with a rooted bell rom)
ChongoDroid said:
Can I flash this via clock work mod... If not is there any way to do it via adb on mac?
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I don't believe so. Isn't there a way to flash on macs?
Are you guys noticing better browsing or anything? I mean..if hspa is enabled what are the everyday advantages? Does this make up for losing root and alot of the added benefits from it?
I'd like to think that there are people working on a root script for this one already..not sure if im willing to jump over just yet and lose root..
Just a curious question, does it have any telstra bloatware? they are acutally pretty annoying when somehow incorperating Foxtel (australian pay TV) into their high end android phones so I was wondering if this will come with the crap like that aswell..
DarkRyoushii said:
Just a curious question, does it have any telstra bloatware? they are acutally pretty annoying when somehow incorperating Foxtel (australian pay TV) into their high end android phones so I was wondering if this will come with the crap like that aswell..
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My understanding is that with the locked bootloader the bloat is necessary in order to receive system updates. So its a question of what bloat you like. I personally just freeze it for now but with new sbfs coming out we will be able to re-flash or restore via cwm if or when an update comes out. So in short, yes, this has the telstra bloat but its comparable to what we have with bell bloat and the same method of freezing should work once root is confirmed.
Sent from my rooted and frozen Bell MB860!
Rickroller said:
Are you guys noticing better browsing or anything? I mean..if hspa is enabled what are the everyday advantages? Does this make up for losing root and alot of the added benefits from it?
I'd like to think that there are people working on a root script for this one already..not sure if im willing to jump over just yet and lose root..
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Gotta figure out how to use this multi quote option....
Overall it feels a bit smoother, but (even blur had a tiny bit less lag) but that could be placebo.
browsing seems to be ok haven't pushed it. no H+ logo if you guys care. it goes from 3G to H which makes more sense in my books, were connecting to the same network just the hardware can support the faster speed.
I think the big advantage for the upload speed if you do any video calls on 3g etc.
DarkRyoushii said:
Just a curious question, does it have any telstra bloatware? they are acutally pretty annoying when somehow incorperating Foxtel (australian pay TV) into their high end android phones so I was wondering if this will come with the crap like that aswell..
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yes it does have it, foxtel included.
y2whisper said:
Gotta figure out how to use this multi quote option....
Overall it feels a bit smoother, but (even blur had a tiny bit less lag) but that could be placebo.
browsing seems to be ok haven't pushed it. no H+ logo if you guys care. it goes from 3G to H which makes more sense in my books, were connecting to the same network just the hardware can support the faster speed.
I think the big advantage for the upload speed if you do any video calls on 3g etc.
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The reason it goes from 3G to H and not H+ is because telstra doesn't advertise it as HSDPA+ but instead calls it nextG and shows it as has
Sent from my MB860

[Q] Bell to AT&T

Found a "deal" on a SGSII branded from Bell - I live in the south US and want to know if I throw a ROM (say Cog or a US dev. ROM) or even if I odin back to a factory ROM from an AT&T model - will this work? I cant think of something that would cause this to be an issue & I'm pretty sure it would get rid of the Bell boot up screens or any other branding but I am not 100% on that as I have never taken a out of country phone and attempted to do this before. I'm no noob with flashing but I'm also no developer either so your experience & assistance is appreciated!
(I searched & couldn't find this answered)
You don't need to replace the ROM. If the Bell phone is sim-locked, you'll need the unlock code; there's an unlocker program in one of the other forums that works with the earlier ROMs. IIRC, more recent ROMs have a different unlock mechanism that hasn't been reverse-engineered yet.
You can't replace the Bell ROM with an AT&T one, since AT&T doesn't have one -- no US carrier has released the SGS2 yet. The factory ROM will do the job; I bought a EU SGS2 back in May and have used it on AT&T since then. I get 3G & HSPA+ data at speeds up to 7 Mbps, using an old 3G SIM I've had for several years.

[Q] How to Debrand a Bell Galaxy Note?

Hello guys just wanted to know how to debrand the note from bell as it is running a little slugishh and i also want to remove all the bell apps without rooting thanks for the help...
What do you mean Debrand it? It litterally has no branding. You're talking about changing the firmware?
It does have branding likeee all the bell apps and stuff all the extra stuff...
Sent from my SGH-I717M using XDA
Just the word that you used is odd, because branding literally means to "mark" something, or it means a certain type. So automatically when I read the title I was thinking you wanted to remove a carrier logo branded on the phone which it clearly doesn't have.
Anyhow, I digress.
To remove all that just root, get Titanium backup and remove all pre-loaded apps you don't want. This topic has already been discussed and you shouldn't have trouble finding out how to remove those apps.
Check the development section and you'll find more information there.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note I71M
Like i said i dont want to root...is there a way to straight flash a official galaxy note update which isnt from a carrier?
Sent from my SGH-I717M using XDA
There hasnt been any update yet. We are all patiently awaiting ICS. (Which will come from our carriers.) The only way I can see you getting rid of the bell bloatware is to either Root the phone and freeze those apps with TiBu. Or Flash a Rom which still requires rooting. Dude if you want them gone you're gonna need to root. However I could be wrong there may be a flashable Odin files that get rid of all the bloatware. Im not sure. Go look in development. I just don't know how to tell you any other way. Also don't know if you know this but the International Version is not tied to any Carrier, You can look into that if you're not happy with the Bell one. I also forgot to mention, I have one on Rogers and Bell. The Rogers one seems to be slightly faster. But I only have 2 to compare so I dunno. Maybe you can always sitch carrier if your contract is new.
Sarius24 said:
There hasnt been any update yet. We are all patiently awaiting ICS. (Which will come from our carriers.) The only way I can see you getting rid of the bell bloatware is to either Root the phone and freeze those apps with TiBu. Or Flash a Rom which still requires rooting. Dude if you want them gone you're gonna need to root. However I could be wrong there may be a flashable Odin files that get rid of all the bloatware. Im not sure. Go look in development. I just don't know how to tell you any other way. Also don't know if you know this but the International Version is not tied to any Carrier, You can look into that if you're not happy with the Bell one. I also forgot to mention, I have one on Rogers and Bell. The Rogers one seems to be slightly faster. But I only have 2 to compare so I dunno. Maybe you can always sitch carrier if your contract is new.
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I know you do not want to root my man but I will pay you $30 right now to upload the Bell stock system and then you can go right back to the unrooted version. I am desperate!! No Wi-fi hotspot, no NFC, S Planner, AT&T sucks!!
Yea waiting for ics is unpredictable now...
And like u said rogers note is faster thats why i want to debrand it i used my friends rogers note n there is a good differencee i got this from bell but got it unlocked cause i am with rogers so even if i can Get rogers firmware that would be fine too just need to find a wayy...
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Rooting is your only way afaik with Bell and Rogers. My Telus Note came with ZERO Telus bloatware and I mean ZERO unless I missed something. Luckily, in Canada, Telus, Rogers and Bell did not put their name on the Note like how AT&T removed the Samsung name and used AT&T up on top of the phone. Also WIFI Hotspot (tethering) option is there and not removed. I use tethering all the time to tether to my tablet and several of my Sony Vaios. Lastly, NFC is there and is working.

[Q] Wind vs. TMobile Amaze plus a couple of other questions....

Hey all!
Sorry if this has been asked before (I've seen posts about it but no straight answers on the issue).
I have a brand new T-Mobile Amaze and a brand new Wind Mobile Amaze. Long story about why!
I can't decide which to keep. I like the fact that Winds is unbranded. I would probably like to use the wifi calling feature on the T-Mobile one when I visit the US (I spend 5 months in the US and the rest of the year in Canada). I don't think I want to root this phone....am undecided right now. The thing that bothers me though, is the camera program on the Wind Mobile version. It's completely different and I like the T-Mobile one better. If I DID decide to root, could I get the T-mobile camera on the Wind one? And then, how would wifi calling work?
Sorry, I'm a newb who is not savvy about any of this stuff....
Any help would be appreciated
Also, I read something a while back, that the bands are different between the two versions. Is this true?
Thanks in advance! CHEERS!
I'm no pro and please correct me anyone if i'm wrong but yes. the bands are different, which is why there are different RUU's for the telus, tmos, wind etc amazes.
I'm pretty sure if you kept your wind mobile one and then followed the procedure to root the device, you'll be able to use the ROM's that we have on XDA and then in my opinion that would give you the camera from the T-mobile one (most likely unless it's been changed) - but yeah don't hold me 100% accountable for this.
You can flash a T-Mobile based ROM onto the WIND's Amaze. With this, you will get the camera interface from the T-Mobile Amaze. I'm not sure about WiFi calling since I never use it - actually I don't even know if WIND has WiFi calling on their network.
Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
Thanks for the replies
Hmmmm, I may think about rooting after all....I am looking at both the T-Mobile and the Wind site....
T-Mobile Amaze:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100);UMTS: Band V (850)
Wind Amaze:
3G (UMTS/HSPA) AWS 1700/2100 2G (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) 850/1900/900/1800
They look like the same bands to me. (??) I really like the unbranded Wind one. I'm not sure if I would ever use wifi calling when I had the phone in the US. Could I potentially add the T-Mobile wifi calling to a rooted Wind Amaze do you think?
Thanks so much once again. Sorry for the dummy questions....!
Wind's Amaze bands are (from the box, and I have verified that I could connect to both T-mobile and AT&T bands while in the states):
HSPA 850/1700/1900/2100.
GSM 850/900/1800/1900.
Kernels from Faux do work on the Wind Amaze (at least, they did for me when I was running custom).
morrislee said:
Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
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Ohhh I had no idea....
Well I guess that makes things easier for me
Thanks everyone once again!
morrislee said:
Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
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I don't know what you're talking about, but Faux kernel works fine with my WIND Amaze.
adslee said:
I don't know what you're talking about, but Faux kernel works fine with my WIND Amaze.
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Your videos work fine after? camera still work???? maybe you have a slightly different variant, but recent batch seems to be incompatible.
Hmmm, now I REALLY don't know what to do! I guess I will keep the T-Mobile one since I have already been tinkering with it...that keeps the Wind Mobile one brand new so I can resell it! I suppose I can be a girly girl and put some swarovski crytals over the darned T-Mobile branding!
Now, next step is to find out how to get the wifi hotspot working. Have been reading up on this. May be easier just to root it.
If I unlock it and use it on Wind, would the wifi hotspot work without rooting it?
Thanks again everyone
if i was you i would keep the wind one ... why? because the tmobile branding is a HUGE turnoff when you are looking at your screen (sorry americans!) They are generally the same device just with no branding, you could push an apk to your system folder or apps cant remember and it should work as long as you have a t-mobile sim card. In canada we do not have wifi calling so it wouldnt working here (duh!) Good luck with your pick! what i would suggest be the breaking point is check if either device has S-OFF if it does you could sell it to a developer (possible a little cheaper so they can start making roms and try to achieve s-off in all other devices.) Good luck with your pick, basically theyre both the same device.
ed116 said:
if i was you i would keep the wind one ... why? because the tmobile branding is a HUGE turnoff when you are looking at your screen (sorry americans!) They are generally the same device just with no branding, you could push an apk to your system folder or apps cant remember and it should work as long as you have a t-mobile sim card. In canada we do not have wifi calling so it wouldnt working here (duh!) Good luck with your pick! what i would suggest be the breaking point is check if either device has S-OFF if it does you could sell it to a developer (possible a little cheaper so they can start making roms and try to achieve s-off in all other devices.) Good luck with your pick, basically theyre both the same device.
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Heya!
Ok, so they are the same device exactly....hmmm. So, wifi calling isn't as a big deal as the camera software. I want to make sure I could for SURE have the T-Mobile Camera on the Wind phone. And if I root the Wind one, I am assuming the start up animation can be changed. The Wind one is lame. T-Mobile one is much better;-)
I am not sure what S-Off is....but can you tell me how to check for that?
Thanks a bunch!
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Heya!
Ok, so they are the same device exactly....hmmm. So, wifi calling isn't as a big deal as the camera software. I want to make sure I could for SURE have the T-Mobile Camera on the Wind phone. And if I root the Wind one, I am assuming the start up animation can be changed. The Wind one is lame. T-Mobile one is much better;-)
I am not sure what S-Off is....but can you tell me how to check for that?
Thanks a bunch!
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you have to boot into bootloader (by removing battery then - pressing volume down and holding it down and then press power button (you should keep pressing both power + volume until you get into bootloader.) if you install a custom rom like bulletproof or sense 3.5 you will get The new Camera APK and bulletproof has wifi calling included good luck!
I don't know why people keep saying that T-Mobile and Wind are different bands.
You do realize that the reason why Wind doesn't get different phones from T-Mobile is because they use the same bands, right?
If the phone doesn't work on T-Mobile's standard 3g+ network (AWS) it won't work on Wind, and vice-versa.
The only thing you need to worry about it is it being sim-unlocked.
The different RUUs only exist because of carrier customization and locking. Wind's Amaze RUU is pretty much stock without the extra bloat of T-Mobile Apps. But of course, the T-Mobile RUU also has the updated camera function, unlike Wind's.
Also, that's the first I've heard about Wind Amaze's having problems with faux's kernel. FYI my Wind Amaze's camera works fine on faux's latest kernel and NRG's Energy ROM (and xboarder's when I used his). However, mine was manufactured in November, so YMMV.
Actually youre a bit wrong on that, T-Mobile does support 2G network so any phone with 2G bands (such as iphone or galaxy note) will work on T-Mobile Network with 2G Internet Speeds. And the RUUs are made for the carrier specific device so if you want to revert stock always use ur own carriers RUU!
I know, that's why I mentioned the standard 3g+ AWS network. If it doesn't work on the 3g network on T-mobile, it won't work on Wind's Home network which uses the same 1700/2100 band (also why people tend to buy T-mobile phones and use them on Wind's network).
And yes, reverting to stock using the same RUU is a good idea. However, from my experience with Motorola's SBFs, they are interchangable among the same device. Because Wind didn't have a publicly leaked SBF, we've been using other carrier's SBFs without problems when reverting to "near" stock.
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I know, that's why I mentioned the standard 3g+ AWS network. If it doesn't work on the 3g network on T-mobile, it won't work on Wind's Home network which uses the same 1700/2100 band (also why people tend to buy T-mobile phones and use them on Wind's network).
And yes, reverting to stock using the same RUU is a good idea. However, from my experience with Motorola's SBFs, they are interchangable among the same device. Because Wind didn't have a publicly leaked SBF, we've been using other carrier's SBFs without problems when reverting to "near" stock.
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Ahh... another unsatisfied XT720 user. ;p
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Ahh... another unsatisfied XT720 user. ;p
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Hohoho, you've caught me. (So many random freezes/battery pulls)
Now I'm a mostly satisfied Amaze user. Just need to wait for those new ICS ROMs.
Also, quick reading for those who are still confused about radio bands / if it will work on your network.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...ne-Will-Work-With-WIND-(or-Any-Other-Carrier)
i still dont know why tmobile version is the only one that have all those camera features, the wind version of the Amaze have the old camera UI like the sensation does, but im sure there should be a flashable zip for the camera like tmobile amaze version is.
anyone that had the sensation 4g knows what im talking about
i dont know if the same flash zip file from the sensation works or not, im not a pro but i figure it wont cause its made to work with the sensation,
another thing guys, they have a blueray feature for the camera when recording, you guys think it can be port over to the amaze?
If you rooted your phone, I have the tmo camera apk for you.
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Galaxy S6 Edge- Will I Lose Data Flashing My Phone To AT&T?

Android newb... will I lose anything flashing my unlocked international phone on AT&T
Hi everyone, and thanks for all the great info here. Let's assume I have my "how to root" links bookmarked and ready to go, but like a good boyscout I want to understand the gotchas/subtleties before I cliff jump. I'm also within my 15 days to exchange my s6edge AT&T for an unlocked one at Best Buy, which I plan to do today... :highfive:
(I'm technically savy, but a real newb in the world of android versions, manufacturer changes, and carrier versions and conflicts...) :crying:
1) How do I do a full ROM-level backup before beginning my adventures in rooting? Titanium Backup is no good since I need root to use it. I'd like an iPhone-style backup that I can just restore should I brick my phone.
2) After I exchange my phone I'm going to immediately airplane-mode it to prevent autoupdates (my current phone already autoupdated to unrootable OF4)... once I root how do I effectively get-latest? I'd obviously like the latest security updates, and 5.1 if I can manage it, and to maintain root.
3) AT&T doesn't have 5.1.... but if I go unlocked then can I run 5.1 on AT&T? (I've been iPhone forever -- carriers messing with you is really foreign to me). On a related note, can AT&T send some update/profile-change OTA to my phone that will conflict with updates I'm doing locally? If so any tips to avoid this?
4) An unlocked phone will perform just as well on AT&T as an AT&t phone, right? (looks like the 925F has all the AT&T bands and more, whereas the 925I is missing 1 AT&T LTE band)
Thanks for any info, help, and/or pointing me to resources where I can find the info, in advance. I'm technically savy, but a real newb when it comes to the gotcha-ridden ground of android and carriers.
Thanks again.
- Jason
So can I upgrade a 925F to 5.1 and use it on AT&T? I'm trying to work out if AT&T has _all_ edges locked down or just the official AT&T versions.
JasonS6Edge said:
So can I upgrade a 925F to 5.1 and use it on AT&T? I'm trying to work out if AT&T has _all_ edges locked down or just the official AT&T versions.
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At&t does not have the power to lock down all variants; only the variant with its branding. Just make sure 925F is compatible with the network of you want to use that variant.
Snowby123 said:
At&t does not have the power to lock down all variants; only the variant with its branding. Just make sure 925F is compatible with the network of you want to use that variant.
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Thanks so much. Is there a reason I can't to seem to find any people running 5.1 or rooted phones on AT&T? Just that not many people are buying unlocked phones?
JasonS6Edge said:
Thanks so much. Is there a reason I can't to seem to find any people running 5.1 or rooted phones on AT&T? Just that not many people are buying unlocked phones?
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The at&t variant is the only variant not to receive 5.1 yet. It has nothing to do with root and everything to do with at&t's corporate policies. Most people who use a smartphone in the USA buy it through their carrier. So those users on at&t likely bought there phone from them. This is why no 5.1 for them.

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