AnandTech impressions and some benches

AnandTech impressions and some benches - HTC EVO 3D

Some brief impressions and a few benches from AnandTech.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...sm8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d
Any thoughts?

Finally a good thread
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Good info. Nice find. I'm not surprised they are still working on the camera.

Dang whats up with the evo 3d benchmark scores(I know they aren't the same as real life performance) they were pretty off from the sensation,well those weird browser ones were anyway. When they actually used a benchmark app the evo 3d scores won by a little. I didn't know you could do benchmarks in a browser.

XxDjbluexX said:
Dang whats up with the evo 3d benchmark scores(I know they aren't the same as real life performance) they were pretty off from the sensation,well those weird browser ones were anyway. When they actually used a benchmark app the evo 3d scores won by a little. I didn't know you could do benchmarks in a browser.
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You can run benchmarks on anything and through anything. This is the best illustration I can think of to underscore the fact that "benchmarks aren't the same as real life performance." If it is going through the browser (which is likely identical on both phones) then it is subject to the whims of the network connection, the medium being the most suspect. If it's WiFi that's sketchy enough, if it's 3G or "4g" then those scores are just about worthless. Sure, it could be a client-side benchmark downloaded and run within the browser but even then unless both devices were booted up at the same exact time, let sit for the same exact amount of time, browsers on both phones were launched at the same exact time, every single tap and scroll was duplicated on both phones, every app (or no app) was all launched (or not) in the same precise order...unless all of those conditions (and far more specific conditions) are all met the test is worthless..
...and the Evo has 256mb more memory, so, perhaps that's just a side effect of more aggressive garbage collection to compensate for that fact....and while the GSM and CDMA chipsets are identical except for that fact, who knows what minute--imperceptible but measurable--differences that might introduce. Not to you or I using it, but, to a benchmark program.

nothing is actually running "through" the browser, its a test of the java scripting language used in many browsers and applications, and websites. There are no other factors than how fast the phone can execute javascript.

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this is the only thread with useful information

Can someone explain the scores and basically what they mean. Also I am curious how this would affect cores that worked independently and ones that worked on each other. To me the indep cores may seem to have lower benchmark score because it may only be using 1 core to obtain the score being seen(again I have no idea what im talking about, I even forgot my name). Im coming from a HTC Fuze so I've been away from androids and well I never seen a thread on the Fuze page about benchmarks(so im a bit retardid ).

Thanks for this.. really

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SO whats the big MFLOPS?

So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.

Carreno43 said:
So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.
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Linpack MFLOPS - measures the floating point performance of your phone.
710...768...806 - refers to CPU frequencies
increasing the CPU frequency should equate to better general-case performance, including things opening quicker as you mention, but also other types of general snappiness like moving between screens and so forth.
"I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS." - This may have less to do with the performance of your phone and more to do with the emulator itself. Emulation is a surprisingly CPU intensive operation, especially if the emulater isn't well written. Rather than looking a ton into overclocking and JIT, etc, maybe you ought to look for a better piece of software.

Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.

Carreno43 said:
Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.
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I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.

Spencer_Moore said:
I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.
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I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz

g00gl3 said:
I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz
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Haha Awesome

it looks like to me that everyone is look at the wrong things.
for example:
I am running a Tom that is getting on a average of 4.9 mflops.
I get smoother screen changes....
streaming videos online is so much faster compared to a 3.0 mflop rom. ...
tubetube and other....... websites.
to me everything I do is faster...
I.don't play game on my phone so I don't know how that is.... but everythng else I do is very much faster.
I love high mflop roms...
I have notice about mflops is that it matters about the kernal that u use.

Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.

xatch said:
Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.
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I have OC and JIT and getting about 5.1 mflops and haven't had worse battery life or a hotter phone. It could be the battery I'm using but meh (got a replacement one that's 2000 mAh) but I got worse battery life on leak 2.1 than with the rom I'm using now that has OC, JIT, LWP, etc. I can go about 8 hours with heavy texting, moderate internet usage and my lwp's running and it only goes to about 65%

so OC and Jit don't make that big of a difference in gameplay?
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What the OP and all the respondents are noting is frankly quite typical of what happens when performance tuning focuses on a single benchmark: the results obtained are essentially meaningless for different kinds of activities on the same device.
That's because there's a whole chain of dependencies that are specific to a given task, any number of which could become the rate-limiting factor; and a different task on the device will have a different set of dependencies and therefore different rate-limiting behaviors.
For instance, let's take writing to an SD card as an example: there's really no way that OC'ing will speed that up in a measurable way - because the CPU isn't the rate limiting factor.
That Linpack benchmark measures floating-point performance using a software library (as the Eris has no hardware FP capability). Most of the apps on the phone do very little FP work at all. But, it's not a bad test of CPU speed, because it performs no I/O. It also may not be very memory bandwidth intensive, either (if the problems it works on stays in the uP cache and there are few page faults).
OTOH, a game emulator needs to write to the graphics display (at a minimum) and possibly also do read I/O from flash.
Different task, different results. Sometimes things can be improved by hardware or firmware; sometimes the software itself needs to be improved.
bftb0

im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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TheSonicEmerald said:
im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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Lima beans bad.
Pork good.
Slow phone bad.
Fast phone good.
bftb0

Thanks for my laugh of the day on that one.

What I'm trying to get at is -
I should be able to play, at the basic level, Sonic or Mario - Without issues.
At the very least
I prefer roms over market games any day (Sonic, Mario, Zelda, DK-Country) and it cripples the phone, at least in my view, that I cannot enjoy the fruits of old games.
Although, I was able to find some old Atari games - which, thankfully, work without stuttering.

just in case you care about quadrant

here you go

Perhaps the only point I'm about to make is to reiterate that benchmarks don't necessarily have any connection to real life performance...
...I'm pretty sure that with my Evo4G and CM6 w/ Snap clocked @ 1190 min/max I was pulling in 2400+....last year....hell, maybe more... I don't remember....aside from benchmarks that kernel wasn't much different from any other of the fastest kernels of the day.
Then again, we all know that the Snap kernel wasn't playing fair....and 1190mhz is pretty much 1200mhz, and there is a good chance that only measures one core well, or at all.
Relative to actual hardware I'd imagine relative to my ~2400 score of last year the Evo3D should probably pull in closer to 5000....relatively...
...benchmarks mean almost nothing and this is a great example of why and how.

32 FPS on the spiral thingie is awesome, think i got like 8-11 on the evo4g, even on CM6/7 at 1.2ghz etc.
and that glowy part after the tunnels would bounce in the 8-12 range as well.

I honestly never cared much for benchmark apps but I know some people do and since I have one there at work I figured lets do a favor for some that are wondering about it
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Overclock speed

Okay, so I just ran the CPU Benchmark test and got 1100mhz and 1000mhz with 430ms and 497ms.
What's everyone else getting? Just curious to compare numbers.

I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery

kennypowders said:
I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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That is your opinion, and to me your opinion is bleh. I love benchmarks and they do mean quite a bit regardless of what you might think. Undervolting isn't in for me at all, I want max overclock with max over volt. I care less about battery saving, these phones do not save battery and minusing a little voltage from the CPU will not only make it severely unstable it is sometimes worse than overvolting. I have been overclocking since the 333mhz CPU. And I can tell you that benchmarks do mean a lot, they tell you quite a bit about your setup and what you could improve on. Not just one single benchmark, you would need a few. That is my main reason for flashing. I want a fast phone, not just fast, faster than yours! That is just how I am.
I would not suggest deleting your benchmarks, keep them, and compare, always, then you will know your phone, and I mean really know your phone. That is my opinion, and it ROCKS!
lol
No offense Kenny, just a little drunk, having some fun!
-DJ

Djspinister said:
That is your opinion, and to me your opinion is bleh. I love benchmarks and they do mean quite a bit regardless of what you might think. Undervolting isn't in for me at all, I want max overclock with max over volt. I care less about battery saving, these phones do not save battery and minusing a little voltage from the CPU will not only make it severely unstable it is sometimes worse than overvolting. I have been overclocking since the 333mhz CPU. And I can tell you that benchmarks do mean a lot, they tell you quite a bit about your setup and what you could improve on. Not just one single benchmark, you would need a few. That is my main reason for flashing. I want a fast phone, not just fast, faster than yours! That is just how I am.
I would not suggest deleting your benchmarks, keep them, and compare, always, then you will know your phone, and I mean really know your phone. That is my opinion, and it ROCKS!
lol
No offense Kenny, just a little drunk, having some fun!
-DJ
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That's cool i respect your opinion dude but you'll learn someday that with Android benchmarks don't mean ****. Why care who's phone scores the highest i could care less abt adding inches to my e-penis. Also, Undervolting has been around for a while and isn't unstable where have you been? You might be one of the few people who still believes overclocking is the ****.....
I know how fast my phone is based on performance and benchmark apps arent an indicator of speed/performance. Most bench apps only run one core to test they don't support dual so?

kennypowders said:
I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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+1 about scores, they can easily be manipulated for e-penis reasons, CM on the evo3d is stupid fast, but I read benchmarks are horrible. Evo3d is a faster phone but the proton scores significantly higher is a good example, I frequently get lag on my MoPho.

phatmanxxl said:
+1 about scores, they can easily be manipulated for e-penis reasons, CM on the evo3d is stupid fast, but I read benchmarks are horrible. Evo3d is a faster phone but the proton scores significantly higher is a good example, I frequently get lag on my MoPho.
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Very true, my photon scored higher than my evo 3D across the board but i know the 1.2 dual snapdragon can out perform the tegra 2 anyday. Owning a 3D for a month was awful though lol. So glad i got my photon.

kennypowders said:
That's cool i respect your opinion dude but you'll learn someday that with Android benchmarks don't mean ****. Why care who's phone scores the highest i could care less abt adding inches to my e-penis. Also, Undervolting has been around for a while and isn't unstable where have you been? You might be one of the few people who still believes overclocking is the ****.....
I know how fast my phone is based on performance and benchmark apps arent an indicator of speed/performance. Most bench apps only run one core to test they don't support dual so?
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I do think overclocking is the ****. I do it as a passion, but undervolting isn't the best way to go. Yes it can be stable with undervolting, but I think you can go way to far also. And there are apps out there that test both cores, and there will be more out there that test both cores. Dual-core phones are still pretty new. But its really a moot point, I like it, you don't, we can leave it at that. I am going to try to start working on kernels myself and learning about them. Maybe I will come up with something you like that gets the best of both worlds. I would love for there to be a kernel out that you could just switch modes. High performance, and low battery use. etc. I don't just mean governor switching, switching the kernel, I'm sure that would require just reflashing different kernels, but maybe someday it wont.
-DJ

kennypowders said:
Very true, my photon scored higher than my evo 3D across the board but i know the 1.2 dual snapdragon can out perform the tegra 2 anyday. Owning a 3D for a month was awful though lol. So glad i got my photon.
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I believe you are completely wrong here, the 3d sucked. The Photon can crush that snapdragon chip. I too had the 3d, but I know the Photon outperforms that thing by a long shot. The 3d was an asynchronous processor, the tegra is not.
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/03/24/nvidia-tegra-2-outperforms-qualcomm-dualcore-1015/
I found this to be quite neat:
As an upstart in the mobile industry, NVIDIA is moving at a lightning-fast pace. The company is already working on a quad-core processor called Kal-El and this should be in a retail product as early as August.
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-DJ

Ppl say snapdragon is faster because of what the chip can do theoretically but in real world it can only playback 1080p videos smoother.
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I have both the evo3d and the photon, I know for a fact that the evo3d is faster, the E3d overall just feels snappier and never had a problem with lag. The proton on the other hand would frequently lag when im running tune in and using another app like the browser or while texting. The EVO or the evo3d never did that. Ill go out and say that I feel the proton is all around better phone as far as build and quality goes, but it does not beat the Evo3d as far as processing power, multitasking and efficiency, and that's in real world use.

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I have both the evo3d and the photon, I know for a fact that the evo3d is faster, the E3d overall just feels snappier and never had a problem with lag. The proton on the other hand would frequently lag when im running tune in and using another app like the browser or while texting. The EVO or the evo3d never did that. Ill go out and say that I feel the proton is all around better phone as far as build and quality goes, but it does not beat the Evo3d as far as processing power, multitasking and efficiency, and that's in real world use.
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^^^^^ +1 on this. Tegra is more about gpu/gfx while dual snap dragon is all about raw processing power. Though this is my first tegra device and i must say its amazing but the dual snap has more power. Im a huge nvidia fan by the way and these processors are just amazing. Cant wait to see tablets shipping with quad core nvidia processors!

Yea I never really played any games, my evo3d had too many touch screen issues lol.

I won't own another HTC phone. I don't care what processor it has. Unless it can either A) Dive for me or B) Build my cars I have no interest what so ever in it. So I'm happy with the chipset we have. :]

kennypowders said:
^^^^^ +1 on this. Tegra is more about gpu/gfx while dual snap dragon is all about raw processing power. Though this is my first tegra device and i must say its amazing but the dual snap has more power. Im a huge nvidia fan by the way and these processors are just amazing. Cant wait to see tablets shipping with quad core nvidia processors!
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I don't think you even read my link, it is proven that the tegra has 10-15% more power thn the snap. regardless of what you think you can 'feel' real numbers do tell quite a bit. More than you can tell by 'feeling'.
Not saying that your specific phone isn't faster than your specific other phone, but in real time and real life, the tegra is 10-15% faster than the snap. Sorry.
-DJ

I have the Photon, Evo 3d, and Now the Epic, and still have my OG Evo, here are my personal stats
Photon: amazing and the smoothest for gaming
Evo 3d: pretty much amazing with everything
Epic: fast and smooth and best for battery life
OG Evo: best for customization, ROM flashing, kernal flashing, and for lasting the longest out of every sprint smartphone

Djspinister said:
I don't think you even read my link, it is proven that the tegra has 10-15% more power thn the snap. regardless of what you think you can 'feel' real numbers do tell quite a bit. More than you can tell by 'feeling'.
Not saying that your specific phone isn't faster than your specific other phone, but in real time and real life, the tegra is 10-15% faster than the snap. Sorry.
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Lol you're funny bro. I did read your link and it doesn't prove anything. You give me a link from a site dated 3/24/11 when the 3D wasn't even around neither were dual core snap dragons and you expect me to just all of a sudden believe a tegra 2 can out perform a dual snap? Lololol you're getting your information from some site thats barely credible and they start their article with "NVIDIA SAID". No **** nvidia will SAY their product is better bro! Just because that site said 10-15% in march doesnt mean its proven. Cmon dude you can do better than that, thanks for the morning laugh though! Now let me tell you again, dual core snap dragon packs more POWER than the tegra 2 and out performs it no matter what old outdated article you're believing in! SORRY....
Dual core snap dragon runs circles around the tegra 2. Talking out of your ass is never a good idea
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8484/20110912125517.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2179/20110912125531.jpg
Go compare the devices yourself @ http://www.glbenchmark.com/

Lol
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I downloaded a couple of games off the nvidia game zone, I am very impressed with the quality of games and how well they run. Im gonna probably sink a lot of money into it lol. As far as nvidia vs snapdragon, its all and always been about personal preference. Both perform well for what they're designed to do.

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Lol you're funny bro. I did read your link and it doesn't prove anything. You give me a link from a site dated 3/24/11 when the 3D wasn't even around neither were dual core snap dragons and you expect me to just all of a sudden believe a tegra 2 can out perform a dual snap? Lololol you're getting your information from some site thats barely credible and they start their article with "NVIDIA SAID". No **** nvidia will SAY their product is better bro! Just because that site said 10-15% in march doesnt mean its proven. Cmon dude you can do better than that, thanks for the morning laugh though! Now let me tell you again, dual core snap dragon packs more POWER than the tegra 2 and out performs it no matter what old outdated article you're believing in! SORRY....
Dual core snap dragon runs circles around the tegra 2. Talking out of your ass is never a good idea
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8484/20110912125517.jpg
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Woah bud, I never meant it like that. But an asynchronous cpu will not out perform our tegra2 chips, sorry but you are wrong. I am not sure as to why the hostility, was just making you aware of yes, what nvidia said, but it is true. That is simple physics. Thats why when the evo 3d got overclocked the performance increase wasn't ****. I had one too, I know all about it. One of the reasons I got the photon. But no matter, believe whatever you want. No sweat off my back. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me by the way, sorry.
Hard to have a simple debate on these forums. Sucks
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Woah bud, I never meant it like that. But an asynchronous cpu will not out perform our tegra2 chips, sorry but you are wrong. I am not sure as to why the hostility, was just making you aware of yes, what nvidia said, but it is true. That is simple physics. Thats why when the evo 3d got overclocked the performance increase wasn't ****. I had one too, I know all about it. One of the reasons I got the photon. But no matter, believe whatever you want. No sweat off my back. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me by the way, sorry.
Hard to have a simple debate on these forums. Sucks
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Those benchmarks mean nothing but some random site that simply said its 10% better does lol? What are you going to base you statement off then? Can make a claim without facts right? I gave you facts that REAL WORLD test prove dual snapdragon is more powerful, faster, and etc. You're just saying "sorry you're wrong" id say you're the one that doesn't know how to debate. I mean you're asking for a debate but you got nothing but your word and some sketchy old website....lol

SetCPU, Underclocking & Scaling

So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.

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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.

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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.

Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...

The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.

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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.

Izeltokatl said:
So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.

A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
Grnlantern79 said:
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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Izeltokatl said:
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.

Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.

Izeltokatl said:
True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.

douger1957 said:
In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?

Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.

[Q] Benchmarks?

Can any one post some bencharks of roms? for example Stock Samsung ICS Rom and CM9? Really want to know if roms compared to stock Samsung and CM9 make diference in speed? Please

1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.

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1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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This ^
I can easily manipulate the same ROM and Kernel to get whatever Benchmark scores I want without too much difficulty, it would also likely be impossible for anyone to tell I did it other than the fact that my scores would be unbelievably high/low.
Also, some ROMs run better than others on a ROM/kernel combo depending on their ability to handle OC/UV and GPU tweaks, not every handset can handle these things in the same way (I have 2 GT-I9100Ms, one can handle heavy UV while the other doesn't seem to be able to handle any, based on the serial numbers they were manufactured at roughly the same time, possibly the same batch) so what benchmarks well for one person may show awful results for another.

Thank you for your replies. the thing is i dont have S2 any more and waiting for S3. but curious about ROM well samsung rom should have better optimisation of drivers and so on because it's their rom well thats what i think but thats why i posted this to find out. ok so in real life what do you think witch is faster on browsing gaming and so on?

You mean between S2 and S3? Its obvious..
Bout benchmarks, always get higher quadrant on stock, and low on cm9/ aosp. But aosp runs as fast or faster in real life.
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atifsh said:
You mean between S2 and S3? Its obvious..
Bout benchmarks, always get higher quadrant on stock, and low on cm9/ aosp. But aosp runs as fast or faster in real life.
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I agree here, Touchwiz based ROMs seem to benchmark higher, while AOSP seems smoother in real world situations, I'm sure there are people out there who have the opposite results, so you aren't likely to get a consensus on whether one is better/faster/smoother than the other.

MistahBungle said:
1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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That's actually not true. Period.

fenjen said:
That's actually not true. Period.
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Did you write that one-handed? Question mark. (why are we writing punctuation?)

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Did you write that one-handed? Question mark. (why are we writing punctuation?)
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You do know it's to emphasise my point and it's a pretty common way to do it right?
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Yeah it is true. You bumped a two month old thread simply to say "That's actually not true. Period.", so let's hear it champ. Tell us why that's the case. Or are you just another benchmark fapper who's FOS ?

I gave up porn a long time ago to masturbate furiously over benchmarks. This has actually had numerous positive effects on both my social life and my sex life.
First, using benchmarks instead of porn allows me to tailor exactly the intensity of fapping I want at that time in a easy, quick and efficient way. No longer do I have to wade through numerous porn videos trying to find that one attractive girl or that one interesting concept to fap to - now I can simply tweak my ROM and Kernel a little bit and get a score which reflects my horniness. Say I'd been camping with my trio of male friends for a week and having to share a tent the entire time, naturally fapping in such a situation would be frowned upon. When I finally get home I would be ready for a really special fap, so maybe I'd tune the scores upto a good 9000 and really crank one out. For everyday use, I use a steady 6000 score. This allows me to really optimize the amount of time I spend fapping per day.
Secondly, exchanging porn for benchmarks has had an extremely positive effect on my Sex life. No more am I staring at Pornstar's penises amazed at their size and wishing I had a similar prowess in bed. No longer am I insecure about sex or constantly wondering whether women actually like getting slapped. Now, when I have sex, I'm thinking one thing and one thing only - a score of 12000 in Quadrant. I am 12000, I am that score, I embody that score, that score is me and it drives me to hump like a God. Indeed, I can attest to the fact that fapping over benchmarks is far better than porn. So I say go OP go, I understand your plight, don't let these meth head unemployed porn addicts ever talk you out of your love of benchmarks, stay strong OP, stay fapping.

Hahahahahaha ;-) That could be the greatest post on XDA. Ever.

I used stock indian rom which was way more scoring than galaxy nexus f1 rom.
Mostly the difference was in i/o score.
Still will show you the stock score with speedmod kernel. :thumbup:
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