Ok so Here's the deal
When I flash a rom I charge the phone till it hits 100%. I then reset the battery stats and go on about my day. With in a few minutes of being off the charger my battery has now dropped down to about 96 %. I do realize that batteries do not stay at 100% but this is crazy. I've only deep cycled my battery once for fear that it may damage my battery.
I Am using Teamwhiskeys ultra awesome bionix-v rom with ttabals oc kernal. I know I am to expect a slightly more rapid drain but this is crazy. I have even tried to lower the vcore and I slowed down the cpu to 800mhz. It still drains just as fast.
The odd thing to me is If i turn my phone off and let it fully charge to 100 percent reset stats then turn on phone It will show full for a minute then drop down to to 96 or 95 percent.
I personally think my battery is damaged but spare parts shows that it is ok.
So i am rather confused by this .
I know I should probably use the stock kernal but it seems like its just as bad with that.
I have looked at the threads about battery life and I am not expecting it to be amazing just hoping it will be ok!
Tell me what ya think !
mt battery play tricks on me too when my phone doesent see that im lookin at it it shows 90 when i look at it and phone notice it bounces to 85 like it hates me , lol but dont take my words for it P
Spare parts would show that too. I remember when I had my G1 spare parts would tell me it was fine. But a 3 hour full battery doesn't seem fine does it? Id suggest getting it replaced.
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Ill probably nurse it... but I am having major ocd type problems about it.
I cannot stress this part enough, so I'm putting at the top, do not do the following often, as it can have a negative effect on Li batteries if done too much.
You want to try what is known as a bump charge. With your phone off, charge to 100 percent. You will see the green battery icon with "100" on it once it reaches full. Unplug from the charger for a minute, then plug it back in, phone still off, and let it reach 100 again. If you want you can do this a third time, do keep in mind, bump charging too much or with any type of frequency can have negative effects on your battery, but doing it once in a great great while helps with with what you are experiencing.
thanks Br1cK'd and those who replied.
I have tried the bump charging method. I am affraid that my efforts to repair my battery are causing it more harm than good.
ok i just restored bionix v and had it charge to 100 percent
spare parts says
battery level 100
battery scale 100
battery health good
battery voltage says 4243mv
battery temp 30.0
hazard99 said:
Ok so Here's the deal
When I flash a rom I charge the phone till it hits 100%. I then reset the battery stats and go on about my day. With in a few minutes of being off the charger my battery has now dropped down to about 96 %. I do realize that batteries do not stay at 100% but this is crazy. I've only deep cycled my battery once for fear that it may damage my battery.
I Am using Teamwhiskeys ultra awesome bionix-v rom with ttabals oc kernal. I know I am to expect a slightly more rapid drain but this is crazy. I have even tried to lower the vcore and I slowed down the cpu to 800mhz. It still drains just as fast.
The odd thing to me is If i turn my phone off and let it fully charge to 100 percent reset stats then turn on phone It will show full for a minute then drop down to to 96 or 95 percent.
I personally think my battery is damaged but spare parts shows that it is ok.
So i am rather confused by this .
I know I should probably use the stock kernal but it seems like its just as bad with that.
I have looked at the threads about battery life and I am not expecting it to be amazing just hoping it will be ok!
Tell me what ya think !
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There is one thing you are messing up. If you flash your phone on a 100% charge then you DO NOT need to wipe battery stats. You only have to wipe battery stats if you flash when your battery is not at 100%!
hazard99 said:
Ok so Here's the deal
When I flash a rom I charge the phone till it hits 100%. I then reset the battery stats and go on about my day. With in a few minutes of being off the charger my battery has now dropped down to about 96 %. I do realize that batteries do not stay at 100% but this is crazy. I've only deep cycled my battery once for fear that it may damage my battery.
I Am using Teamwhiskeys ultra awesome bionix-v rom with ttabals oc kernal. I know I am to expect a slightly more rapid drain but this is crazy. I have even tried to lower the vcore and I slowed down the cpu to 800mhz. It still drains just as fast.
The odd thing to me is If i turn my phone off and let it fully charge to 100 percent reset stats then turn on phone It will show full for a minute then drop down to to 96 or 95 percent.
I personally think my battery is damaged but spare parts shows that it is ok.
So i am rather confused by this .
I know I should probably use the stock kernal but it seems like its just as bad with that.
I have looked at the threads about battery life and I am not expecting it to be amazing just hoping it will be ok!
Tell me what ya think !
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It's not out of the ordinary for a battery indicator to show a few percent drop rather quickly on a LiIon battery. Secondly you should take a battery indicator with a rather large grain of salt. Expecting precision in single digit percentages from the indicator is unrealistic and nearly impossible to rely on given the nature of discharge of a battery. Batteries do not charge or discharge in a linear manner, and people do not use battery powered devices in a linear way either.
It is a visual guide, not a precise and accurate indicator. Many custom roms have a percent accurate indicator, but don't mistake this with being dead-on accurate. It is merely an attempt to make it a BETTER visual GUIDE.
To evaluate battery life properly is moderately time consuming, though rather obvious. Use your device as you would normally. Pay attention to how long it stays charged. If it's not staying alive for a reasonable amount of time (12-24 hours depending on what you are doing of course), then it's time to dig deeper. Apps that wake up and generate unnecessary Partial Wake usage, a lot of background application syncing or apps with short sync intervals, being in an area with poor data/voice signal....these are the usual culprits.
Apart from situations where people are playing around with experimental kernels (i9000 derived kernels tend to vampirically drain battery a few percent an hour regardless), the things that drain your battery are....things that "use" your phone. The more you do (and the more your phone is doing with your permission while it's in your pocket) the less battery you will have.
In the end it comes down to asking yourself some questions. Do you need to automatically update facebook, myspace, twitter feeds constantly when you can manually update them and be inconvenienced by a 10-20 second wait? Do you really need to update 35 rss feeds in Google Reader?
Most people's power related issues come down to three things.
1). Apps that wake up without your knowledge and waste battery for no good reason (I'm looking at you Media Hub!!)
2).All those other apps and widgets that are updating inside your pocket when your not reading, watching, or caring about them.
3). Being in an area with poor data/voice signal, forcing your phone to "hunt" excessively for a better connection.
Apps that wake up and do god knows what without your knowledge can either be removed, disabled, or frozen. Examining partial wake usage can give you insight into what may be going on in that scenario. Apps can be "Frozen" with Titanium Backup Pro (paid) or App Freezer (free).
The other part that is within your control are all the apps/widgets you actively use, and your decisions about how often (or even if) they update themselves.
hi I've heard plenty of times that you should charge your phone once you get it or charge overnight..is this true in anyway? I always go straight to playing with my new phone and then charge once battery dies..any thoughts on this myth?
Hi. I have heard a few different things about this. I think there is a thread on here I read about it as well.
First is that it won't matter because batteries no longer need to have that memory thing.
Then there was one that said let it deplete, charge it and then when the light goes green unplug it and replug it in. The light will go red for a few more minutes and then green. That will set the battery.
Then I also read that you shouldn't charge it completely or let it completely deplete because that will lessen the charge over time
The last I heard is that (and this was under the discussion about extended batteries if I remember correctly) the batteries are made so that the battery meter tells us it is dead even though there is still a little bit of a charge on the battery that way it doesn't do anything bad to it.
So I really think it depends on who you listen to. I did the let it deplete and charge it thing once so far. I get decent battery life. I tested it and got 10 hours out of it with medium usage and I usually get more when I toggle off the 4g when not using it but haven't timed how long for that yet.
Hope that helps until someone who knows more specifics posts something.
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hi I've heard plenty of times that you should charge your phone once you get it or charge overnight..is this true in anyway? I always go straight to playing with my new phone and then charge once battery dies..any thoughts on this myth?
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I don't think it matters any more. I plugged mine in after I did initial setup and let it charge to green light, didn't do any special bump charging or charging while off. The battery is designed to be used as is, without any tricks. Always overcharging to 100% or completely draining to 0% is probably worse than just using it normally and plugging it in when you notice it's relatively low.
There's a battery log that Android keeps regarding voltage and reported capacity that it uses to adjust the percentage display that you see on your phone. This changes over time as it gets a better idea of how the battery discharges, so built into your phone is a mechanism to make sure the reported capacity is accurate. If it gets "off" a bit, like if you see a huge spike up or down in battery capacity after a reboot, it's just adjusting itself.
But, as you know, Android users love to control everything by themselves, and not leave anything to some process behind the scenes. Hence the clamor for root so we can install whatever we want. So some people like to trick this adjustment mechanism by force charging the phone to full when it's off, which gives the battery capacity adjustment mechanism a "true" full charge to base its reporting on. Also, I don't believe the kernels in stock ROMs will charge to what it believes a full 100% charge is, to protect the battery life. Bump charging kind of gets around that, if I understand the process correctly.
Also, I don't charge overnight (lack of outlets in bedroom) so I make sure it's topped off before I go to bed. Even if it's not, it can make it through the night just fine, since it's not being used. So that's not that much of an issue anyway.
TL; DR: Just use it, plug it in when you need to.
I know its bad to overcharge your phone, so when i sleep i leave my phone plugged in and charges in about 2/2.5hrs and the rest of my 5hrs more sleep its overcharging. is there a way to slow down the charge which i can calibrate to about 5hrs and change it back for daytime charging. will be Very useful to me
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Uh overcharge? Correct me if im wrong (someone who may be a little bit more informative), but our phones are made to prevent overcharge. Once it reaches its maximum, it actually starts discharging and then recharges once it drops to a certain point. There should be nothing wrong of leaving the phone plugged in when you sleep.
thats a + to hear =D i dont need to worry about it ty!
although i guess my older phones dont, running GB (galaxy ace, huawei u8220, huawei u8110)
s2 has overcharge protection ,so it should not be a problem
If you're still worried after Kaze's reply you could get yourself a timer plug from pretty much anywhere, cheap too. Set it for 3 hours and away you go.
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Hi everyone i have been using wifi 5.0 about 3 months now it satisfied me enough and i am sure will continue. But the only issue which makes me unhappy is when i am gaming or using gps battery finishes rapidly. I would like to learn when to charge the device is 25% ok and when i am using it on charge even when its full is it bad for the battery life?
Yes you should unplug it when it gets full.
Sent from my YP-G70
durukankurum said:
Hi everyone i have been using wifi 5.0 about 3 months now it satisfied me enough and i am sure will continue. But the only issue which makes me unhappy is when i am gaming or using gps battery finishes rapidly. I would like to learn when to charge the device is 25% ok and when i am using it on charge even when its full is it bad for the battery life?
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don't leave it on the charger longer then 20-30 minutes after it reaches 100%, any longer can be damaging to the battery if done repeatedly.
Wish these chargers were more like the motorola ecomoto chargers that cut off charging automaticaly once the battery hits capacity.
daniel644 said:
don't leave it on the charger longer then 20-30 minutes after it reaches 100%, any longer can be damaging to the battery if done repeatedly.
Wish these chargers were more like the motorola ecomoto chargers that cut off charging automaticaly once the battery hits capacity.
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Thank you for your answer but every time i am charging it over nights i am always turning it off and go to sleep what i want to say i cant wait to be 100% then sleep is there any app to stop charging when its fully done. And isnt it ok while gaming o keep the charger cuz u know after playing 1 hour of fifa12 battery nearly going dead? thanks again.
Mevordel said:
Yes you should unplug it when it gets full.
Sent from my YP-G70
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So you mean this devices are not made for using on charge like laptops?
durukankurum said:
Thank you for your answer but every time i am charging it over nights i am always turning it off and go to sleep what i want to say i cant wait to be 100% then sleep is there any app to stop charging when its fully done. And isnt it ok while gaming o keep the charger cuz u know after playing 1 hour of fifa12 battery nearly going dead? thanks again.
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stopping charging has to be done within the charger itself, so no there is no app that can stop it, plus apps couldn't do anything when the device is powered down anyway.
An hour of a game kills your battery? I can play atleast an hour probably closer to 2 of angry birds and thats from less then 30% and i'm on the 4.0 player which has a much smaller battery, sounds like you've got some battery drain issues to work thru.
daniel644 said:
stopping charging has to be done within the charger itself, so no there is no app that can stop it, plus apps couldn't do anything when the device is powered down anyway.
An hour of a game kills your battery? I can play atleast an hour probably closer to 2 of angry birds and thats from less then 30% and i'm on the 4.0 player which has a much smaller battery, sounds like you've got some battery drain issues to work thru.
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yeah u are right about apps no way any app to work when the device off.
I mean maybe 1h and 20 min. with 50% brightness on and i guess fifa use more data than angry birds when ur playing.
anyway its important to know that i shouldn't keep charger on when its 100% because usually when i am home i was using it like that thanks again.
do u think the app called 'sense analog' may make the battery life shorter.
Something is definately wrong, because I can play MC3, which is even more intensive the FIFA on my Gplayer 4.0 for more than 1.5 hours and still have some life left, and the Gplayer 4.0 is only rated for 4/5 hrs and yours is rated for over eight!
After a full recharge, while still plugged in download battery calibration from the market, and follow it's instructions, after you do, while STILL plugged in, reboot. After a full reboot, unplug it, and DO NOT REBOOT until your gplayer completely dies (forces shutdown). Once that occurs, plug it in, let it charge to 100% (while on), leave at 100% for about 15 minutes, unplug, and use as normal. That should fix your issue, unless your battery is dying, which should not occur, even if you are abusing it badly, for awhile longer.
durukankurum said:
yeah u are right about apps no way any app to work when the device off.
I mean maybe 1h and 20 min. with 50% brightness on and i guess fifa use more data than angry birds when ur playing.
anyway its important to know that i shouldn't keep charger on when its 100% because usually when i am home i was using it like that thanks again.
do u think the app called 'sense analog' may make the battery life shorter.
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haven't seen the 5.0 screen in person but if the brightness levels are anything like the 4.0 why do you have it so high? My brightness is at like 15-20% with autobrightness OFF.
First, like many others already said, it sounds like something is wrong with your battery. I'm on a 4.0 and playing two hours of a really intense 3D game with auto-brightness indoors will bring the battery from 100% to 50% (maybe it even uses less battery).
Second, as to how to conserve battery life, Rule #1 (as others have said): definetely do not keep it plugged it at 100% for too long. Then, something I tried on my iPod and have been using ever since: keep the battery between 50% and 100%, and once a month, completely empty the battery (until it shuts down) and after that charge it to 100% (this is called a charge cycle). As to my iPod's battery, before I was using this, the battery life got shorter and shorter, but after, it didn't shorten noticeably anymore. On the computer I'm writing this on, for a couple of months, I barely followed this plan, and I lost about 5% of my battery capacity (I have a battery widget that tells me what the total capacity is) within one or two months, but then I started following it a little more closely, and actually got some of it back. Over six months later now, I have lost about 10% of my battery capacity (from the original capacity), except that I should do a charge cycle in the next couple of days, and the last time I did a charge cycle, I got about 5% of the original capacity back, not to mention I have broken rule #1 probably too often and for way too long, often for several hours
My 5.0 can play games for hours before it dies but it has strange batery levels..From 100% to 75% it goes very fast.around 40 minutes when you play game..and then on 75% it stays there for 2hours when you play game and with regular use it can stay all day on 75-70% ..after that it fastly drops to 25% and just when you thing you need to recharge it can stay on 25% forever..you can play 2 more hours of game on 25% or with lighy use it will stay all day on 25%.
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daniel644 said:
stopping charging has to be done within the charger itself, so no there is no app that can stop it, plus apps couldn't do anything when the device is powered down anyway.
An hour of a game kills your battery? I can play atleast an hour probably closer to 2 of angry birds and thats from less then 30% and i'm on the 4.0 player which has a much smaller battery, sounds like you've got some battery drain issues to work thru.
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This is not correct. NO modern device has ANY smarts in the external charger - nearly all current phones (and every smartphone on the market for the past 3-4 years) has a constant voltage 5.0 volt USB input. Modern "chargers" are not chargers at all - they are dumb 5 volt power supplies, nothing more.
Charging "smarts" are handled by electronics in the device itself and have been for ages. (For all practical purposes, the Player 5.0 is a Galaxy S smartphone minus the cell radio...)
The kernel and charger hardware automatically handle charge termination and restart themselves. This is, for example, why Daily Driver can charge at higher current levels than stock at low battery (but drop the current as the battery reaches nearly full in order to stress the battery less).
Oh, as far as battery percentage display - the method used for estimating state of charge on the Players is abysmally primitive and highly inaccurate.
Battery Charging YP-G70
I always charge my completely standard YP-G70 overnight. As I understand it, the charger only provides voltage and in this case it's 5vdc. The device's battery management software draws the required current to charge the battery. If you install 3c's "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" you can see a charging graph showing the current levels drawn over the full period of charging. The charging current is stepped to control battery temperature and is reduced as the battery approaches full charge. By the time the battery reaches full charge the current draw is down to a trickle charge and will not overcook the battery. I usually leave the device switched on, which further protects it by maintaining a small load. One of the problems I have found with this device is that this charging regime, along with the fairly large capacity of the battery, mean that the battery can take up to six hours to fully charge, which confirms, in my view, that overnight charging is OK.
hanthesolo said:
Something is definately wrong, because I can play MC3, which is even more intensive the FIFA on my Gplayer 4.0 for more than 1.5 hours and still have some life left, and the Gplayer 4.0 is only rated for 4/5 hrs and yours is rated for over eight!
After a full recharge, while still plugged in download battery calibration from the market, and follow it's instructions, after you do, while STILL plugged in, reboot. After a full reboot, unplug it, and DO NOT REBOOT until your gplayer completely dies (forces shutdown). Once that occurs, plug it in, let it charge to 100% (while on), leave at 100% for about 15 minutes, unplug, and use as normal. That should fix your issue, unless your battery is dying, which should not occur, even if you are abusing it badly, for awhile longer.
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I downloaded the app but its not working i am going to charge my device like the way u said, thank u for ur advises
Entropy512 said:
This is not correct. NO modern device has ANY smarts in the external charger - nearly all current phones (and every smartphone on the market for the past 3-4 years) has a constant voltage 5.0 volt USB input. Modern "chargers" are not chargers at all - they are dumb 5 volt power supplies, nothing more.
Charging "smarts" are handled by electronics in the device itself and have been for ages. (For all practical purposes, the Player 5.0 is a Galaxy S smartphone minus the cell radio...)
The kernel and charger hardware automatically handle charge termination and restart themselves. This is, for example, why Daily Driver can charge at higher current levels than stock at low battery (but drop the current as the battery reaches nearly full in order to stress the battery less).
Oh, as far as battery percentage display - the method used for estimating state of charge on the Players is abysmally primitive and highly inaccurate.
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First of all thank you for this valuable information, thus I can keep my device on plug while i am driving and using gps otherwise on long distance its annoying to keep checking the battery while driving with gps app on.
Other think is i guess its normal but just to ask, The device becomes really hot on charging while i am gaming. What do u think?
Is there an app that takes time of your battery like today I turned on at lets say 7:00am and the battery dies at 9:00 and you forget the times but the app says how long it lasted. Is there some app like that?
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3c's "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" gives all the battery information you could ever need. A data log and graphs allow performance to be analysed over any period of time. You can set markers to indicate charger plugging and unplugging times. Hope this helps.
Sent from my YP-G70 using xda premium
durukankurum said:
First of all thank you for this valuable information, thus I can keep my device on plug while i am driving and using gps otherwise on long distance its annoying to keep checking the battery while driving with gps app on.
Other think is i guess its normal but just to ask, The device becomes really hot on charging while i am gaming. What do u think?
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Off course it will be hot..you play game which hots cpy and gpy and at same time you recharge batery which hots battery..but if battery reach 50 degrese celsius player automaticly stop recharging no matter whow much battery is full.
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durukankurum said:
Other think is i guess its normal but just to ask, The device becomes really hot on charging while i am gaming. What do u think?
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Gaming = CPU and GPU cranking at full tilt with the display on - of course it's going to get warm.
On rooted phones there are a way to make charging stop at 80% charge level. I would like to do this as I charge my phone overnight at a wireless docking. For my use this battery lasts me 2 days of use so stopping it at 80% won't be a problem. I also have a wireless charge at my work desk so I can just place it there at work also. I don't like to keep topping it up to 100% through the day and it would be awesome to just not have to worry about it and have a limit at 80% so I could leave it on the wireless charge pads whenever I'm close to one. Anyone have a solution to this? I have accubattery that can give me an alarm at 80% but that's just anyoing and won't work especially over night..
I use Accubattery to limit the charge to 80%...it does NOT stop charging, but at least it triggers an audible notification so I know when to disconnect. With fast charging not taking more than an hr, I'm usually around.
But it can't stop it from what I can tell so it won't solve my problem.
search xda for app called battery charge limit
this do what u need
im using it on my s9+
MaZaGnGy said:
search xda for app called battery charge limit
this do what u need
im using it on my s9+
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Requires root
You can't do it without root but considering how quickly the Mate 20 Pro charges there is no legitimate reason to leave it charging overnight. That's a habit from the early days of cell phones that has been strongly discouraged for years. If you leave a Pixel phone plugged in overnight and anything happens as a result Google considers your warranty null and void due to owner abuse.
I'm not using the fast charge..
You could say that its a old habit but I feel its quite opposite. I have IKEA wireless pads integrated into the table at the side of my bed so I just rest my phone on it naturally not having to plug anything in. Same as I have on my desk at work and in a table in my living room. It doesn't require me to plug in anything and I can just rest my phone there it feels like 2018. Worrying about cables and proprietary speed charges that's what's old to me..
Compared with an electric car I Always prefer charging it slow at home overnight or when I'm not using it instead of sitting at the supercharger staring out the window wasting 30 minutes that I'll never get back doing nothing. It's not that hard on the battery and I'm not having to waste time doing it.
I just want to set a charge limit so I can use it between 30-80% without having to control it manually..
Any good at software? Maybe get a smart plug, and either write an app of use tasker to turn off the plug when you hit 80% if I had a smart plug i would do it for u
I had to reread the first post about using (I'm using GSam) to set an alarm, that's exactly what I do. Like others have said about fast charging I too prefer charging at a slower rate to reduce heat and try and extend life out of it (I just know the person I eventually sell it too will benefit from this, not me ).
I just program a notification to my honor band 3 from GSam and it vibrates when it's reached the percentage. I've given up on the routine of when I charge but generally just top up when it gets to 30% as usage varies. Charging to 100% when I need it a full day out away from home.
Can see why you would want to automatically stop it though and make use of them IKEA charging pads. ?
I've even thought about timing the charge of the fast charger from 30-80% then setting the smart plug on for that duration when eyes shut time. I'll here it click before I'm asleep of that I'm sure. #insomniac
Trouble is I can't always determine if it will be down to 30% by bed. Could do a chart showing number of minutes needed Vs percentage but that would probably be taking it a little too far ?
I have a TP LINK smart plug and the app has a timer on it to turn it off.
I have a multi port USB charging hub connected to this.
I simply turn the plug on, set the timer for an approximate amount of time using the app and go to sleep.
I waken up with around 80-90% battery every morning.
Takes me seconds at night, literally