With alpharev giving us software for s-off soon, would rom porting/making be easier or pretty much the same as it is now?
Signatures are fancy.
Good question. At the very least I would think it would be less time consuming but I'm not a dev.
MIUI would be awesome, but I know that isn't happening.
At least upgrading CWM will cease to be a total pain in the ***.
Moh_Jay said:
With alpharev giving us software for s-off soon, would rom porting/making be easier or pretty much the same as it is now?
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With S-OFF, it is easier to flash ClockworkMod recovery straight from HBOOT; You no longer need to do it using Unrevoked. Once CWM is in place, you can flash any rooted ROM or root the current ROM by installing su.apk.
Check out attn1's post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122694
tpbklake said:
With S-OFF, it is easier to flash ClockworkMod recovery straight from HBOOT; You no longer need to do it using Unrevoked. Once CWM is in place, you can flash any rooted ROM or root the current ROM by installing su.apk.
Check out attn1's post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122694
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He's asking whether S-OFF would make it easier to port ROMs from other devices to the Liberty.
The answer, though, is not really. The main issues have to do with the difference in hardware.
Moh_Jay said:
With alpharev giving us software for s-off soon, would rom porting/making be easier or pretty much the same as it is now?
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The biggest advantage (to me) of s-off is fastboot boot for kernel development. Yes, fastboot flash recovery is very useful (and will allow unexploited android version to be rooted), but from the advancing the phone/development side, I don't see anything trumping how much easier fastboot makes kernel dev work.
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Soooo, I have been living a relatively blissful existence in the rooted world rocking cyanogenmod 7. For a couple of reasons I decided to try the latest "official" gb leak from HTC... And I've lost root...
So, my question is: what/where am I? My s-key is still off... I originally rooted using the revolutionary method, should I redo the root process?
Thanks in advance!
seamusz said:
Soooo, I have been living a relatively blissful existence in the rooted world rocking cyanogenmod 7. For a couple of reasons I decided to try the latest "official" gb leak from HTC... And I've lost root...
So, my question is: what/where am I? My s-key is still off... I originally rooted using the revolutionary method, should I redo the root process?
Thanks in advance!
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What exactly did you flash?
The latest gingerbread leak for the thunderbolt (from Android Police) is what I flashed.
"[Exclusive Download] Gingerbread Build 2.11.605.3 Full RUU And New Radio For HTC ThunderBolt"
I'd post a link, but I'm not yet allowed.
seamusz said:
The latest gingerbread leak for the thunderbolt (from Android Police) is what I flashed.
"[Exclusive Download] Gingerbread Build 2.11.605.3 Full RUU And New Radio For HTC ThunderBolt"
I'd post a link, but I'm not yet allowed.
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Well, when you flash an RUU (something you really shouldn't do unless you want a bone stock device) you're going to loose root because HTC doesn't root their ROMs.
You should be able to just reflash a new recovery (since the RUU probably wiped it) and superuser and be good. If not, reflash the recovery and try a rooted version of the ROM. And stay away from RUUs... If you'd rooted with ADB you'd be looking at a completely bone stock, S-On device right now.
If you want to try newest leak rooted and running very nicely load my Vigor lookalike or xdabolt in development section both based off 2.11.605.3 mine has a few more tweaks and custom kernel his is more stock if you want that with HTC kernel.
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Since you still have S-off you're still rooted. Download Superuser from the market. And clockworkmod comes with rom manager from the market if im not mistaken.
TDubKong said:
Since you still have S-off you're still rooted. Download Superuser from the market. And clockworkmod comes with rom manager from the market if im not mistaken.
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No. S-off is S-off, not root by any stretch of the imagination. Let's not confuse people by mixing terms that aren't interchangeable.
loonatik78 said:
No. S-off is S-off, not root by any stretch of the imagination. Let's not confuse people by mixing terms that aren't interchangeable.
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I was told that when i first rooted my phone that as long as i had S-Off that meant i still had root. Never saw anyone say any differently until just now when you did. I'll check it out. I am far from being a developer I just know what i been told and what I have found out on my own. So if I am wrong then ignore my previous post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838909
TDubKong said:
I was told that when i first rooted my phone that as long as i had S-Off that meant i still had root. Never saw anyone say any differently until just now when you did. I'll check it out. I am far from being a developer I just know what i been told and what I have found out on my own. So if I am wrong then ignore my previous post.
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S-off merely allows root permissions to persist beyond reboot. It primarily locks out writing to /data and /system, and without those, root is impossible. The difficulty in rooting a new device is finding a way around the bootloader security to achieve SU access so that exploits can be used to write a new bootloader that won't check for root and will allow writing to /system and /data. Once security is off, gaining SU status is fairly easy. It is entirely possible to have S-off and run a non-rooted ROM. I hope that clears up confusion. If I'm wrong somewhere in this, I hope someone corrects me.
Will dev's now require to have S-OFF to flash their ROM's, Kernels, etc. ?
Or will you guys provide options when flashing based on if you're S-ON/S-OFF?
I have not done the "S-OFF" process on my Rezound yet and don't feel that I really need to do it since I am completely and totally happy with Ineffabilis GB with the last official OTA radios. I am patient enough to wait for the official ICS OTA update plus I'm scared I might brick my phone during the process
S-OFF is only if you need to change radios. If you like the one you got then your phone if went to the ICS leak and had problems then you can go back to GB.
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DigiDave said:
Will dev's now require to have S-OFF to flash their ROM's, Kernels, etc. ?
Or will you guys provide options when flashing based on if you're S-ON/S-OFF?
I have not done the "S-OFF" process on my Rezound yet and don't feel that I really need to do it since I am completely and totally happy with Ineffabilis GB with the last official OTA radios. I am patient enough to wait for the official ICS OTA update plus I'm scared I might brick my phone during the process
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Im sure the developer will note on their thread if it will be needed. I highly doubt it will be required unless flashing critical files.
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DigiDave said:
Will dev's now require to have S-OFF to flash their ROM's, Kernels, etc. ?
Or will you guys provide options when flashing based on if you're S-ON/S-OFF?
I have not done the "S-OFF" process on my Rezound yet and don't feel that I really need to do it since I am completely and totally happy with Ineffabilis GB with the last official OTA radios. I am patient enough to wait for the official ICS OTA update plus I'm scared I might brick my phone during the process
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The only difference could be that you would still have to use the PH98IMG method or use fastboot to flash the appropriate kernel for the ROM instead of just doing it all with the ROM flash.
OLDsJUNKIE said:
The only difference could be that you would still have to use the PH98IMG method or use fastboot to flash the appropriate kernel for the ROM instead of just doing it all with the ROM flash.
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...and making and restoring backups will include the kernels with s-off.
DigiDave said:
Will dev's now require to have S-OFF to flash their ROM's, Kernels, etc. ?
Or will you guys provide options when flashing based on if you're S-ON/S-OFF?
I have not done the "S-OFF" process on my Rezound yet and don't feel that I really need to do it since I am completely and totally happy with Ineffabilis GB with the last official OTA radios. I am patient enough to wait for the official ICS OTA update plus I'm scared I might brick my phone during the process
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I hope they require it. The inability to flash boot images via recovery has been a major roadblock for development and there is no reason for it to continue. There is no reason not to S-OFF. If you don't S-OFF your device then you will have to fastboot flash everything or manually create your own PH98IMG files.
con247 said:
I hope they require it. The inability to flash boot images via recovery has been a major roadblock for development and there is no reason for it to continue. There is no reason not to S-OFF. If you don't S-OFF your device then you will have to fastboot flash everything or manually create your own PH98IMG files.
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Just curious. How has flashing method been a roadblock to development? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just don't see it.
Hello,
I installed the ICS OTA on my EVO 3D, i then went to htcdev and unlocked my phone. How do i gain root access from here? All this googling is giving me a headache lol. I keep finding so many different ways but it all seems a little confusing. Am i able to install a custom recovery then flash SU without flashing another rom? if so how? or do i have to lose everything and start over again? I miss good ol' unrevoked lol.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
This is the reason there are stickies at the top of every forum.
i then went to htcdev and unlocked my phone. How do i gain root access from here?
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Flash recovery, flash superuser or supersu.
Am i able to install a custom recovery then flash SU without flashing another rom?
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You can't flash a rom until you have a recovery.
if so how?
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Decide which recovery you want, and flash it through bootloader.
I understand that, thank you. And im not trying to be lazy, ive gone through 10 different pages of posts so far and just about everyone of them references not flashing ICS rom. So i just wanted to make sure i wasn't ahead of myself for already having the official ICS. But i also don't want to flash any roms if i don't have to. I just want to gain root access. So thank you for the tip. I will start looking for recoveries.
hey don't feel bad, i had 1.4 s-off and went to stock so to get the bug free official ics and am extremely let down - to put it mildly.
i too am nervous over bricking all over again and i wonder if better options are out since may.
i also feel the forum is more fragmented and evo3d specific deving seems to have slowed.
i sure would welcome a clear path to best root from here and best bug free ics jb sensev4 rom
or am i dreaming
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Hey man, I figured it out!
after taking the ota from sprint, I went and unlocked my phone with htcdev, then flashed twrp recovery from the official site for the recovery, the only method that worked for me was using the adb method, after that I flashed su, the newest su kept failing so I flashed the 2.3.something version then I was able to flash the new 3.x su. All is well and I know have a stock rooted Ics.
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Hi everyone, I feel very sorry for this question, I am a noob and not so well in Androis system and I get so confused on all the instruction that I've read on the discussion.
My question is this, I really dont know if I can flash custom ROM such as CoolFlyer or Leedroid ROM for my HTC Flyer WIFI, My HTC Flyer is
unlocked already but still S-ON, with HBOOT 1.11.0011, and it has also a Revolutionary CWM v.4.0.1.4. It is also in Stock Honeycomb ROM
Actually I paid only some Technician to root my phone and I gain S-ON Unlocked, the problem is he did'nt rollback it into Gingerbread thats why I am not sure on how will I installed custom ROM like CoolFlyer.
.3 or
Can someone to inform me how can i make it S-OFF, and if im S-ON still can I flash Custom ROM like Leedroid HC V.4.3 or Cool 3dHoney v.6?
Thanks and really appreciated your help.
Just follow the guides here in the Flyer Android Development forum
My honest opinion is that you should roll back to gb and gain s off. Anyone you paid should of done so. You can flash roms from your current state but it requiresyou to learn how to use fastboot commands
Flyer
mcord11758 said:
My honest opinion is that you should roll back to gb and gain s off. Anyone you paid should of done so. You can flash roms from your current state but it requiresyou to learn how to use fastboot commands
Flyer
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so you mean i can flash rom even i am s-on and still in HC Stock ROM?
xchan21 said:
so you mean i can flash rom even i am s-on and still in HC Stock ROM?
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Pretty much. Though you'll need to manually flash the boot.img file from the ROM after every installation, or the system won't boot and you'll be stuck on HTC logo screen, and of course a custom recovery to be able to flash ROMs
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Pretty much. Though you'll need to manually flash the boot.img file from the ROM after every installation, or the system won't boot and you'll be stuck on HTC logo screen, and of course a custom recovery to be able to flash ROMs
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Thanks for the help. Really appreciated
Well... After an issue with the digitizer in my phone I had to finally have it recently replaced. I had recently loaded the ICS OTA and actually for the most part liked it alot. I have rooted and done some roms with my 3d when it was Hboot 1.4 with Rev S off and root method. But my phone is currently Hboot 1.5 after replacing it. I havent loaded it to the OTA for ICS. But im trying to decide what I want to do. Id like to root and S off if I can and find a Rom/OTA that works great with the best performance and options with reduced bloat. ICS is pretty cool that I used, but seemed like some bugs with it to. Any suggestions of help on getting me there and in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Ive done some searches here and there on the forum. But really after taking time out for a medical issue I havent been in the loop til now. Thanks ahead of time for any help and suggestions you can push my way.
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But im trying to decide what I want to do. Id like to root and S off if I can and find a Rom/OTA that works great with the best performance and options with reduced bloat. ICS is pretty cool that I used, but seemed like some bugs with it to. Any suggestions of help on getting me there and in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
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Here's what I would do in your situation:
1. Do HTC unlock and flash 4EXT recovery
2. Backup current ROM so you have a nandroid of GB stock
3. Root GB stock ROM and do JuopunutBear (wire trick) with GB version to gain S-OFF
4. Flash 2.89 RUU.exe to get solid Sprint ICS base (firmware and software)
5. Flash Jbear Sprint ICS (1.58.5858) or engineering (ENG) bootloader
6. Flash 4EXT recovery (via fastboot flash recovery.img)
7. Backup current ROM so you have a nandroid of ICS stock
8. Flash whatever ROM's you want to try and check them out
If all the ROM's you are interested in are ICS Sense, then the JB Sprint ICS bootloader is fine, but if you want to flash and run GB and AOSP ROM's the ENG bootloader is a better choice, but it won't run the 2.89 stock kernel.
That's one opinion.
ramjet73
Thanks Ramjet. What are you using or have you used? Is ICS the latest? Any other good stuff out there?
If anyone else has suggestions or preferences Id love to hear them.
Thanks!!
constevens said:
Thanks Ramjet. What are you using or have you used? Is ICS the latest? Any other good stuff out there?
If anyone else has suggestions or preferences Id love to hear them.
Thanks!!
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The Sprint ICS 2.89.651.2 release with Sense 3.6 is the latest official build, but there have been several CM10 based ROM's released using the AOSP 4.1.1 (Jelly Bean) base, and some Sense 4.0 and 4.1 ROM's that run on the E3D.
My favorites are still MeanROM ICS 2.6 and SOS M 2.6.1 which use the same base. Here's a post I wrote back in May that enumerates the fixes mikeyxda had done to the VM leak base at that time and most of those fixes and enhancements were transferred to the Sprint ICS 2.89 based version, with some new ones added. SOS M is de-Sensed and offers a lot of customization built-in and via the Aroma installer with a minimal amount of effort. Both ROM's are fully functional and have good reliability, performance and battery life.
I've tested a lot of interesting ROM's with some unique features including Paranoid Devil with a tablet configuration option and Charmander with Sense 4, but they both have some stuff not working, including 3D and WiMax/4G. If you don't need those features you might also want to try some of the AOSP ROM's (CM9, CM10 and MIUI) since they are very light and clean, and a lot of the current development activity seems to be with those ROM's. If you want a full ICS Sense 3.6 based ROM with a lot of mods integrated, Cool ICS is worth a look too.
ramjet73
Thanks Ramjet. Im gonna check out the MeanRom ICS, SOS and Cool ICS. In past ive liked a sense based rom but Im open to other stuff. My main thing is wanting as few as issues or non working things as possible. Even the OTA of ICS has to muc issues. But the in general feel and look was good.
Thanks for the input and direction. I may hit you up on some advice if thats cool? Thanks again.
Just use the search function to find all the info on the stuff above Ramjet? or is there a good central location that might have links for everything?
constevens said:
Just use the search function to find all the info on the stuff above Ramjet? or is there a good central location that might have links for everything?
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A lot of the information and links that you will need are in mpgrimm2's guides in this forum. Just do an advanced search on threads started by user mpgrimm2 and you should have most of the information and links you need in those threads.
ramjet73
Thanks you Ramjet!
Ok So I got it unlocked. and installed the APK of the 4EXXT recovery. But its giving me some issues saying I need S-off before I can use it? I assume its a program that runs on the Phone not a recovery like ive been used to with the boot loader? If its a flash that flashes the boot loader i seem to be having issues finding it. How do I need to go about rooting? Is root the same as S off? Its been a while since doing all this kinda stuff and just getting back into it. Thanks for any direction you can give me.
constevens said:
Ok So I got it unlocked. and installed the APK of the 4EXXT recovery. But its giving me some issues saying I need S-off before I can use it? I assume its a program that runs on the Phone not a recovery like ive been used to with the boot loader? If its a flash that flashes the boot loader i seem to be having issues finding it. How do I need to go about rooting? Is root the same as S off? Its been a while since doing all this kinda stuff and just getting back into it. Thanks for any direction you can give me.
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This post by mpgrimm2 (part of his overall guide) covers flashing a custom recovery (like 4EXT) and superuser from the PC command prompt via fastboot. Those are the two steps required for rooting, after you have HTC unlocked.
Once you've done that you can move on to gaining S-OFF with either the JuopunutBear (wire trick) or Hboot downgrade method, which is setting the security off for the NAND memory of your phone, and allows you to flash more stuff and not have to use the fastboot command to do it.
It's probably time to move on to the Q&A forum since this has changed from an advice thread into a help thread.
ramjet73
ramjet73 said:
This post by mpgrimm2 (part of his overall guide) covers flashing a custom recovery (like 4EXT) and superuser from the PC command prompt via fastboot. Those are the two steps required for rooting, after you have HTC unlocked.
Once you've done that you can move on to gaining S-OFF with either the JuopunutBear (wire trick) or Hboot downgrade method, which is setting the security off for the NAND memory of your phone, and allows you to flash more stuff and not have to use the fastboot command to do it.
It's probably time to move on to the Q&A forum since this has changed from an advice thread into a help thread.
ramjet73
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Have more questions but will gladly move it over to the Q and A if you dont mind more questions... So many write ups on stuff.. Little confusing sometimes.
Thanks RamJet.
Here is my questions thread for help in the Q and A section..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31102158#post31102158