This is an open call for devs who would like a challenge, and who would like to improve ths usability of our Atrix phones. I'm not a programmer at all, but I have an idea for a webtop replacement app, one that has the potential to be much faster and potentially more universal.
So, we all know that moto's webtop software kinda blows chunks. Its slow and buggy and absolutely not worth buying the lapdock for.
From what I understand, it's a customized, instant-on build of linux. This strikes me as a little stupid, because android already is linux (of sorts), and the limitations of the lapdock sound easier to overcome without a second OS. I don't know much about programming, but I imagine that this can't be the best way to do this.
After seeing an ASUS Transformer in action, I got to thinking. The multiple customized desktops and widgets from android translate pretty well to the bigger screen, and using them with a mouse and keyboard isn't half bad.
Rather than a whole second OS, I would love to see a new launcher, a second set of homescreens that appear when you plug the phone into the lapdock. I'm visualizing something like this:
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One, three or five fully customizable homescreens for widgets and a customizable dock with some apps in it. It doesn't have to look exactly like this, this is just a mock-up. The standard notification curtain is probably good enough as a start, though somebody ambitious could probably do better.
rather than booting up, we could close the phone homescreen and open the laptop homescreen. There might be a bit of a wait when switching while your screen redraws, but after that, it should be very snappy. I don't know how easy it would be to do, but if you can tell apps about the bigger screen size/resolution, you could probably convince them to open in their tablet versions, furthering the bigg(er)-screen experience. Combine that with a tabbed browser (anything from the market) and you've got a solid netbook replacement. play games, or read your gmail on a real screen, without needing a second device. you know, what this lapdock was supposed to be!
I'm guessing this would need to be a root app because of the pixel density and screen size changes, but i have no idea. And i don't know if it'd be easier to do as a separate launcher or as one launcher that does double duty with both phone and laptop homescreens. The only other challenge that I can think of is getting the mouse and keyboard to play nice.
For controls, in adition to using the mouse as fake touch, I was thinking of using the left and right arrow keys to switch screens, and up and down to open the app drawer and notification curtain. Making this user customizable would be ideal.
This has the potential to be totally compatible with the Photon when it comes out, and it probably wouldn't be too much harder to use this to give webtop functionality to any ROM or even any phone with HDMI && usb. Does anyone know if this would work with MHL (ala Sensation and Galaxy S2)?
I really don't know where to start, and there's no way I can do this alone (or even at all, really) so if you have advice or would like to help make this happen, sound off!
so basically you want it to output a upscaled/honeycombed look when HDMI out is present/webtop enviro selected.
it's a nice notion, but i'm doubtful that this will get done. most likely it would involve opening up a second instance of Android from the boot address of the current linux installation. not really sure if that's possible.
This seems a bit steep of a feat, but definitely possible. Devs that are attached to webtop would not have to make sure that it is compatible when making new roms, because they would only need to add the separate launcher.
but again, this could be too steep. Instead, if the into mode is feeling a bit sluggish to you, I might suggest that someone figure out a better windowing manager than motorola's clunky version.
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Before we get into anything... Explain how a little change to webtop is more important then an unlocked bootloader?
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I'm not sure that a change in window manager would help any. Startup time seems pretty similar to what I see when starting the X Windowing System on any box with just a gig of ram. Maybe a lighter weight window manager, such as fluxbox, would help but I'm betting the issue is the same as it is on any other platform....the X window server itself is an inefficient memory hog.
jbrussee said:
Before we get into anything... Explain how a little change to webtop is more important then an unlocked bootloader?
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This is a project that will outlive the atrix. Future phones with unlocked bootloader will have this webtop already complete, or less optimistically, available for porting.
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I'm not sure that a change in window manager would help any. Startup time seems pretty similar to what I see when starting the X Windowing System on any box with just a gig of ram. Maybe a lighter weight window manager, such as fluxbox, would help but I'm betting the issue is the same as it is on any other platform....the X window server itself is an inefficient memory hog.
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then I guess somone out to port wayland to android....
good luck with that
first things first
does anyone know of an api public or private to write to the hdmi serial port???
Great idea, and interesting too - however, should be in [Themes and APPS]
Nal, I do not believe we want the Atrix devs working on other phones, basically. Defeats the purpose of modding our atrixs
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moved to proper forum.
almost seems like it would be better to wait for the bootloader to be cracked, then dualboot with ubuntu (or some sort of arm-adapted desktop OS) and startup a gui. Now that's what im waiting for. Anything else just isnt native, and slows up the phone.
arexxk said:
almost seems like it would be better to wait for the bootloader to be cracked, then dualboot with ubuntu (or some sort of arm-adapted desktop OS) and startup a gui. Now that's what im waiting for. Anything else just isnt native, and slows up the phone.
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Well no, that's the point, the reason its so bad is because its running two OS's. Booting up ubuntu is totally not necessary, we already have android, which for most purposes, is enough.
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moved to proper forum.
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Thanks, I wasn't sure where it went
jbrussee said:
Before we get into anything... Explain how a little change to webtop is more important then an unlocked bootloader?
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This is definitely a different area of development. Every single developer that is interested in the Atrix probably isn't working on the bootloader. I certainly wouldn't want to steal away bootloader devs, as customs ROMs are really important for unleashing this phone. That said, webdock is definitely another weakness of this phone, it isn't as amazing as it could be. I'm sure someone wants to help improve this aspect of the UX.
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Well no, that's the point, the reason its so bad is because its running two OS's. Booting up ubuntu is totally not necessary, we already have android, which for most purposes, is enough.
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It is not running two OS's. It is running a single Linux kernel (which is the O/S) plus a scaled down destop environment built from some of the Ubuntu packages (but not Ubuntu in any way, shape, or form) and the android gui environment.
Looking at some process stats, it appears that webtop runs at about half the priority of the Dalvik stuff. Maybe the answer to your perceived problem is just changing that.
There are already several projects in place to open up the webtop environment into a much more vanilla linux experience, without all the motorola lockdown. Check the dev forums.
Related
http://androidroot.mobi/2012/02/23/ubuntu-on-the-transformer-prime/
The guys over at androidroot.mobi have brought us CWM showed us CM9 and now theyre bring us native Ubuntu.
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Let’s look at what does work first:
Wifi – Same patch as for the TF101.
Keyboard (if you have a dock).
USB Host (if you have a dock).
Partially working:
Graphics Acceleration – Only 2D at this point.
Touchscreen – It works but every few touches are off target by 1/2 the screen.
not working or tested:
Bluetooth.
Trackpad.
Sound.
Sensors (ALS, Gyroscope, Accelerometer, GPS, magnetometer).
Shutdown, Reboot, Suspend.
Ooh this looks fun.
Hopefully in the future if Ubuntu releases the code for their Android-Ubuntu, those drivers can be integrated into builds like this for even more stable releases
I liked the linux tablet concept, thought they would be cheaper. But since HP's failure, I got skeptic.
But with this, would we see a change in pattern :
Buy an Android device, go the custom kernel way, choose to use Ubuntu or Android as you like, switch between OS's as often as you like....
Really excited. Hope someone around me decides to do this (Or decides to let me do it to their tab )
roc_vader said:
I liked the linux tablet concept, thought they would be cheaper. But since HP's failure, I got skeptic.
But with this, would we see a change in pattern :
Buy an Android device, go the custom kernel way, choose to use Ubuntu or Android as you like, switch between OS's as often as you like....
Really excited. Hope someone around me decides to do this (Or decides to let me do it to their tab )
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i wish we can get this as a dual boot OS but looks like were going to have to flash it full out through fast boot not to sure though
Awhh Dang i wonder if hai trat will let me change my mind on that refund
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I'm excite!
Wordlywisewiz said:
Awhh Dang i wonder if hai trat will let me change my mind on that refund
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You may still want to if you have never used Linux. Took me a few months to make the transition from windows.
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No I use windows but its just the point I like to be able to use whatever I want on it...
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I'm excite!
You may still want to if you have never used Linux. Took me a few months to make the transition from windows.
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Yea but it has a functionality much more similar to a windows desktop than the stock android OS does. Full applications/filesystem, etc.
Should still be the tablet much more like a laptop
tylermaciaszek said:
i wish we can get this as a dual boot OS but looks like were going to have to flash it full out through fast boot not to sure though
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My first thought as well. I doubt I'd do a full flash over to Ubuntu but would love to have it as a dual boot environment.
i dont think i would leave android for ubuntu but i would defintely flash for a little while to play around
Well, Well.... Ubuntu will probably be strangled in a "****storm" about closed/proprietary software and firmware.
Or some lunatic from FSF comes in and start a "****storm" about that Ubuntu supports closed software.
"Mission impossible".....IMHO !
Extremely excited for this. Tablet running ICS and netbook style Ubuntu.
Edit. Posted in wrong thread. Sorry
Any news? its been awhile.
jellydroid13 said:
Any news? its been awhile.
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Asus is diligently working with the developers and Ubuntu to release a complete Android 4.0 + Ubuntu option, whereby, the TFP displays the typical Android 4.0 Tablet interface when in pure tablet mode (undocked) and when docked with load up Ubuntu.
I wish ... LOL
jellydroid13 said:
Any news? its been awhile.
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Sorry ot but jelly how is that miui.us port coming?
currydude said:
Asus is diligently working with the developers and Ubuntu to release a complete Android 4.0 + Ubuntu option, whereby, the TFP displays the typical Android 4.0 Tablet interface when in pure tablet mode (undocked) and when docked with load up Ubuntu.
I wish ... LOL
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Ahh i see what ya did there!!
Really got my hopes up there!!!
plun said:
Well, Well.... Ubuntu will probably be strangled in a "****storm" about closed/proprietary software and firmware.
Or some lunatic from FSF comes in and start a "****storm" about that Ubuntu supports closed software.
"Mission impossible".....IMHO !
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I doubt that. Ubuntu currently does support 3rd Party proprietary drivers, such as that for Nvidia graphics cards, and codecs on its desktop OS. It has never been a 100% free (as in freedom) OS. There always was support for proprietary and people are okay with it.
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Asus is diligently working with the developers and Ubuntu to release a complete Android 4.0 + Ubuntu option, whereby, the TFP displays the typical Android 4.0 Tablet interface when in pure tablet mode (undocked) and when docked with load up Ubuntu.
I wish ... LOL
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Me too, currydude! I too re-he-heaallly wish Asus is doing that. BUT, I don't want it such that it becomes Linux/Ubuntu on docking the keyboard as I don't have it and I don't intend to buy it. I already have a laptop, I don't need another mini laptop/netbook. I would, however LOVE it if Asus allows me to boot into Linux/Ubuntu without even docking the keyboard and let me use my Tablet as a Ubuntu Tablet.
Alas, unless Asus supports this and releases a Linux version themselves, we may never see something working 100% efficiently due to all the Tegra 3 drivers that would be missing due to a lack of support from Asus! :/
Asus. DO. THIS. NOW!!!
some of us just need linux support (not ubuntu), and nvflash.
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We need and want this.
Also, it's the only way to compete with Windows 8 ARM!
If people find Ubuntu good enough we finally might live to see the prophecised "year of the Linux desktop"
Go go go!
Now this would be cool to compile for the Xperia Play: http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/05/01/android-in-c-sharp/ Android re-written in C# instead of Java!
Look at this speed difference:
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Their github source is here: https://github.com/xamarin/XobotOS anyone fancy it?
Seems very good, is there any disavantage using this?
That image that he posted speaks for itself...
The "Time in seconds" is decreased by up to 7 times in mono, compared to dalvik.
That's quite a performance boost, and it would save battery a lot.
i think this should be getting much more attention. looks like a major improvement to android!
anyone tried yet?
That's nice! I thought my phone was already at an okay speed, like riggnix said, this needs more attention.
This is quite amazing, and truly has the same benefits to Java in the sense is you have many editors, portable and anyone can develop and publish in C# without limitations (Referring to Oracle vs Google, as I doubt Microsoft would say "No, we own C# blah blah")
I also prefer .NET over Java for the reasons of speed and rapid development.
There is a Tool sharper .can we with this convert our Rom for play ?
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I'm all about speed this would keep our play around for awhile. Could leave my iPhone at home
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This wouldn't break apps or anything, would it?
To do this would take a monster amount of time and alot of hard work.
We would need an experienced team doing it anyway!
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pricey2009 said:
To do this would take a monster amount of time and alot of hard work.
We would need an experienced team doing it anyway!
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Deal! Thanks for volunteering...
So that's 2 people, anyone else?
Looks interesting! Need any help?
While this would be awesome, is there a even a version of the Mono CLR that will run on ARM?
As a .NET dev though, I would love to be able to write my apps in C#. I really don't feel like learning Java.
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Deal! Thanks for volunteering...
So that's 2 people, anyone else?
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I've already downloaded source. I'm trying to build but I'm not able to use plugin.xml, maybe cause I have a too recent Eclipse.
EDIT: little help, download this version of Eclipse.
EDIT2: Building is not so easy. I think many hours must be spent on this. Maybe it's only that I'm a noob.
I'm going to assume that this will only be for unlocked bootloaders, as the kernel may need to be modified? Just a guess. I have the new 2.3.4 Verizon update, so I'm basically screwed. lol I still have root at least.
crono141 said:
This wouldn't break apps or anything, would it?
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I think this is the problem - unless I'm not fully understanding it. You'll have to run Sharpen on all Java code to get C# code. I'm not sure it is clear whether or not Sharpen can be run on compiled Java/Dalvik byte-code (meaning unless you have the source of the app or can decompile it (which might not be that hard), you can't use it). It would be interesting if it could translate Java/Dalvik byte-code to the .NET common intermediate language/bytecode.
Selim873 said:
I'm going to assume that this will only be for unlocked bootloaders, as the kernel may need to be modified? Just a guess. I have the new 2.3.4 Verizon update, so I'm basically screwed. lol I still have root at least.
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That may not be the case - I think virtual machines like Mono normally run in User Space, and even if there is special support for the Dalvik virtual machine in the Android Kernel, I'd imagine that a Mono port of the Android platform could be made to run on the same kernel. But I may be off on this since I don't have deep knowledge of the Android platform.
Mogul345 said:
While this would be awesome, is there a even a version of the Mono CLR that will run on ARM?
As a .NET dev though, I would love to be able to write my apps in C#. I really don't feel like learning Java.
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The Mono project does mention Mono running on Android/ARM:
http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:ARM
And jumping from C# to Java or from Java to C# isn't actually that much of a leap! I prefer the C# language in general, but I also appreciate Java's general acceptance for its portability ie I'd prefer to write in C# but usually find myself writing in Java either because it is what people expect or the programming environment is more friendly to Java. (Many people still prefer Java because they see C# as a Microsoft thing, which is silly - as the article states it has long since been very formalized, but this is the way people feel)
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My Thoughts:
In any case, doing anything with this does seem like a huge undertaking. Probably the best target to go for would be to work with XobotOS to Sharpen an AOSP or CyanogenMod build - you could conceivably get it all working. Porting the Google Apps which you don't have the source for would then be the issue - but then even if you could get the Play store working, it'd just give you access to more apps in need of translation. A better solution would probably be to start a new marketplace for XobotOS apps. If a Dalvik emulation layer could be developed to run on top of the Mono engine or in conjunction with it to support execution of Dalvik Android apps that would be the true way forward probably.
What we're talking about here though is a revolution. I'm not sure Android is ready for that - it would cause more fragmentation/divisiveness. But maybe it would be worth exploring - I'm sure there are plenty that would say that Android needs a revolution.
~Troop
If the speed inprovements are that drastic, I think it would be worth the revolution.
Especially given google's current legal trouble regarding java.
I would love to see Google turn to this if oracle actually starts turning the legal battle. The only issue is converting almost everything that's already been published and what not.
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crono141 said:
If the speed inprovements are that drastic, I think it would be worth the revolution.
Especially given google's current legal trouble regarding java.
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Maybe, though keep in mind that graphic is for a very specific benchmark involving structs and generics and is specifically tailored to highlight Mono. It is unclear whether you would see the same significant improvement in the Android system as a whole. I wouldnt' be surprised if it was still an improvement, just saying how significant it would actually be for Android is still a question. I'd imagine a lot of things would still perform roughly the same, and obviously things making use of native code, the native code would still run the same...
cj360 said:
I would love to see Google turn to this if oracle actually starts turning the legal battle. The only issue is converting almost everything that's already been published and what not.
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Yeah, it would be interesting... and Google could put the necessary weight behind this if they wanted to take this revolutionary step - and implement a Dalvik compatibility layer or tools to auto-convert old apps or help make the transition smoother.
~Troop
It's been accomplished.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1632655
Whenever I'm finally able to get my hands on a N10, the first thing I'm going to do is root it and put on a custom ROM that gets rid of that ridiculous Phablet UI. For those of you who have been flashing ROMS on this device, what other ROMS besides Paranoid Android have successfully restored the original Tablet UI? It'd be handy to have a list here for others who are wondering the same thing. It's kind of hard to tell on some of them, especially if they are nightly-based ROMs, which usually don't include a changelog or list of features, and for some reason screenshots in the OP are always lacking.
Also, of the ones with the ability to switch the UI, which ones seem to be the most stable in tablet UI mode?
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MaDoCo ROM
This ROM doesn't fully bring back the original UI, but does allow the user to move buttons to the left and right of the bar for easy reach. As you can see in the image below, certain buttons can be moved to whichever side of the screen you like. Mix and match them, or even move them all to the opposite side depending whether you're a lefty or a righty!
Aokp is my favourite ROM of all and had the option to enable tablet ui on their previous 4.1.2. builds. I expect them to implement the option on 4.2.1. soon, and I of course expect them to create builds for the nexus 10 too.
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I don't see many ROMs supporting the soon-to-be-deprecated old tablet UI... and quite frankly, after using it a bit, the new UI is not bad at all...
I'm definitely keeping my eye out for an AOKP ROM for the N10. I used it on both my Galaxy Nexus and XOOM and it was one of my favorites (Currently, I'm using CNA, but that's about to change because he's way too unreliable, and his updates take longer than Verizon sometimes, which kind of defeats one of the purposes for using a custom ROM.)
And Craig, whatever floats your boat. My issue isn't necessarily with the fact that they are moving the UI around, my issue is with the fact that they are forcing change on people who prefer the old UI. Some of us realize how unique and efficient it is, and would like to have the choice to continue to use it.
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I'm definitely keeping my eye out for an AOKP ROM for the N10. I used it on both my Galaxy Nexus and XOOM and it was one of my favorites (Currently, I'm using CNA, but that's about to change because he's way too unreliable, and his updates take longer than Verizon sometimes, which kind of defeats one of the purposes for using a custom ROM.)
And Craig, whatever floats your boat. My issue isn't necessarily with the fact that they are moving the UI around, my issue is with the fact that they are forcing change on people who prefer the old UI. Some of us realize how unique and efficient it is, and would like to have the choice to continue to use it.
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Don't get me wrong... I understand that different people have different opinions and I'm not trying to force you to change your opinion... I merely stated that even though the old tablet UI still works with Android 4.2, it is no longer officially supported by Google and will likely be deprecated in a future release... so the number of ROMs supporting the old tablet UI will be considerably small... I just said give it a chance... that said, I leave it to you to make up your own mind!
AOKP is available for the Nexus 10, but it does not have the old tablet UI yet...
arrtoodeetoo said:
I'm definitely keeping my eye out for an AOKP ROM for the N10. I used it on both my Galaxy Nexus and XOOM and it was one of my favorites (Currently, I'm using CNA, but that's about to change because he's way too unreliable, and his updates take longer than Verizon sometimes, which kind of defeats one of the purposes for using a custom ROM.)
And Craig, whatever floats your boat. My issue isn't necessarily with the fact that they are moving the UI around, my issue is with the fact that they are forcing change on people who prefer the old UI. Some of us realize how unique and efficient it is, and would like to have the choice to continue to use it.
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There is an unofficial port done for the N10 right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2013361
Been running it for a few hours, and a few items are missing but nothing too major. They are working on getting those missing features back. I'm hoping the N10 because an officially supported device for the team.
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There is an unofficial port done for the N10 right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2013361
Been running it for a few hours, and a few items are missing but nothing too major. They are working on getting those missing features back. I'm hoping the N10 because an officially supported device for the team.
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Just to clarify, it's not a port... it's an unofficial build until it gets officially integrated...
Just my opinion , but I suggest people get used to the new UI , it is just like anything else, companies evolve , and not everyone likes it ..
Car companies change paint colors, dash packages, and options.
PC companies change cases, keyboards monitors and mice.
At some point you are just going to have to grow up and move on.
If a dev wants to build a ROM because he/she likes the old UI then that is awesome, but if it was me, the first person that begged for it, would make me NOT want to do it .
You could always learn to do it yourself ...
(and yes I do know how to do it myself, because I learned, not that I even want the old UI anymore)
personally i love the new ui
I liked Tablet UI mainly because I could see what time it was and access notifications from within fullscreen apps. But now that stuff is put on the top bar, which gets hidden on fullscreen apps.
Updated the OP to add MoDoCo ROM to the list. This ROM doesn't bring back the full UI, but gives the user control over specific softkey placement on the navigation bar, which is something Google should have done in the first place when they decided to change stuff up. The biggest complaint people have with the new UI is that the buttons you use the most are in the center of the screen away from the thumbs. Sucks for people like me who have short thumbs. The MoDoCo solution is perfectly acceptable for me and may even be preferred by left handed users. :good:
My ROM now has a mod to move the navi button to the left... still a mod zip until I learn to code it to be a configurable option!
craigacgomez said:
My ROM now has a mod to move the navi button to the left... still a mod zip until I learn to code it to be a configurable option!
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Didn't you say that your Roms will never ever have it?
beerope said:
Didn't you say that your Roms will never ever have it?
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I meant the old tablet UI... I simply have a mod to move the navi buttons... status bar is still on the top... it's still the so called "phablet" UI...
why is everyone talking about running desktop Linux on there phones?! THIS IS ABOUT THE NEW UBUNTU PHONE! http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
dank101 said:
why is everyone talking about running desktop Linux on there phones?! THIS IS ABOUT THE NEW UBUNTU PHONE! http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
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U know there a 2 version from Ubuntu OS one version to use Ubuntu OS on the smartphone the second for the High End smartphone there is a option to dock it (like webtop/lapdock) and start Ubuntu 12.04 like on the PC.
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^^ Exactly. Why wouldn't a person want want this? I think its awesome especially for those who don't own a computer.
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Hai_Duong said:
U know there a 2 version from Ubuntu OS one version to use Ubuntu OS on the smartphone the second for the High End smartphone there is a option to dock it (like webtop/lapdock) and start Ubuntu 12.04 like on the PC.
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Wrong. Ubuntu Phone has the same codebase as Ubuntu on the Cloud, Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu on the Nexus 7 etc. That's the whole point. There is just one Operarting System. You can dock any phone for best experience 2 GB RAM and a quad-core ARM CPU is simply recommended.
They demoed the desktop convergence on a phone with the same hardware as the Galaxy Nexus long ago.
I don't really know why they are. It sounds pretty cool at first, but I usually don't bring a desktop monitor around with me, and I do most of my work on my desktop. I don't want 2 full desktop computers.. I think it causes two problems instead of eliminating one.
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I don't really know why they are. It sounds pretty cool at first, but I usually don't bring a desktop monitor around with me, and I do most of my work on my desktop. I don't want 2 full desktop computers.. I think it causes two problems instead of eliminating one.
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I can understand these ideas for the consumer world, but the business world is becoming more and more demanding of this type of technology. Microsoft built W8 and now CIO's can look more closely at mobile/byod options. Canonical just slam-dunked their way into that arena with the Ubuntu phone.
How many iOS or Android data centers have you ever heard of? That would be news to me! The business world is run by MS or some form of Linux. I've seen Red Hat, Suse, and Ubuntu. . . add Ubuntu for phones and now you have the ability to narrow the number of systems management panes to a level competing directly with MS.
I think this rocks!
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^^^ I just want to +++++ the above statement.
stupidjerkheadface said:
I can understand these ideas for the consumer world, but the business world is becoming more and more demanding of this type of technology. Microsoft built W8 and now CIO's can look more closely at mobile/byod options. Canonical just slam-dunked their way into that arena with the Ubuntu phone.
How many iOS or Android data centers have you ever heard of? That would be news to me! The business world is run by MS or some form of Linux. I've seen Red Hat, Suse, and Ubuntu. . . add Ubuntu for phones and now you have the ability to narrow the number of systems management panes to a level competing directly with MS.
I think this rocks!
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I agree.. and I think that it sounds like a fun concept, too. But how many times have you lost your phone/had it stolen?
Now compare that to how many times you lost your work computer. I don't want to lose all my work. You know what fixes that? Something we call "Syncing", yet canonical thinks it's the very thing that needs to be "solved" yet it's still unavoidable.. Also, most companies lock their computers down to prevent misuse. It would be pretty hard to lock down your phone as many exploits/hacks can unlock a boot loader
and you could flash a new OS onto it.
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But then again, I've never really been fond of Ubuntu since unity, it's changed them.. So maybe I'm just biased.
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I agree.. and I think that it sounds like a fun concept, too. But how many times have you lost your phone/had it stolen?
Now compare that to how many times you lost your work computer. I don't want to lose all my work. You know what fixes that? Something we call "Syncing", yet canonical thinks it's the very thing that needs to be "solved" yet it's still unavoidable.. Also, most companies lock their computers down to prevent misuse. It would be pretty hard to lock down your phone as many exploits/hacks can unlock a boot loader
and you could flash a new OS onto it.
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But then again, I've never really been fond of Ubuntu since unity, it's changed them.. So maybe I'm just biased.
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Personally, I keep my phone on my person 24/7. Never lost it, and the one time I had a phone stolen it was because I left it in my jacket but took it off. If you keep it in either your pocket or your hands, then there's no way you can lose it.
As for locking the phone down, who's to say you can't lock a phone down as securely as a computer? It's not like you can't plug computers into other devices as well. It's not that phones can't be as secure as a computer, it's just that they generally aren't. That's not to say that no-one could come in and fix that.
Guys I bought this device when it first came out, never did I ever think there would be zero dev interest in the device, or perhaps it would be better to state that the reason there isn't much in the way of dev interest is because Huawei has this device locked down with EMUI and it appears no one can break through. For those who don't need root then this doesn't really matter, but most of my apps do require root. My final solution was to forget the Huawei device and I bought what I believe is the most powerful device on the market today and I've already rooted it and I'm flying along. That device is the Asus Rog Phone 2, you might want to take a look at this and then decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wwe5OW_jPE
I wish all of you the very best but I had enough of Huawei. To be fair I don't think the problem is all about Huawei, a big part of it is the clown in the White House.
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Lol @ White House clown.
Interesting review you linked, I'm going to do some more research into the phone, although I'm far from a gamer.
It would be good if you posted your thoughts after using it for a few weeks.
Good luck, I hope you still have the same enthusiasm after getting used to it.
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Lol @ White House clown.
Interesting review you linked, I'm going to do some more research into the phone, although I'm far from a gamer.
It would be good if you posted your thoughts after using it for a few weeks.
Good luck, I hope you still have the same enthusiasm after getting used to it.
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I'm not a gamer either, my philosophy however is that gaming devices are more reliable and sturdy because of the punishment they take from actual gamer's. My thought is it if holds up for a gamer then it should be no problem for me. So far this phone has proven me correct. One of the specs that blows me away is that there is a setting to set the device to 240 refresh, that's pretty darn quick. If you have any questions I'm open to answering them, that's how impressed I am with this puppy
Every phone I owned for the last 10 years was rooted. I bought the P30 Pro knowing I couldn't and wouldn't root, and I've never been happier.
"All your apps" require root? Your phone sounds FUN! Seriously, no games? No social media? I agree, a lot of apps need root, all of which are important, if you're rooted. Ad-block is the main reason for rooting, but you can't just have ad-block, you need Magisk manager, obviously. And twrp manager, because you need twrp to flash your root. Root browser, for those times you need to fix things you screwed up by being rooted. Greenify, to act as a placebo, because now you're rooted you can't be sure things work as they should. Busy Box for... erm, well nobody really knows what that's for. So yeah that's at least 6 apps. For one thing.
Once I realised you can block ads using the private DNS feature in Android 10, all of the above was pointless.
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Every phone I owned for the last 10 years was rooted. I bought the P30 Pro knowing I couldn't and wouldn't root, and I've never been happier.
Once I realised you can block ads using the private DNS feature in Android 10, all of the above was pointless.
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100% completely agree with you. Have rooted all my android phones in the last 10 years and bought P30 Pro knowing couldn't root it. I use adguard private DNS to block ads and then found out can used YouTube vanced on non rooted phones by simply installing the apk. After thinking could never live without root I'm finding it particularly easy at the moment!
I've rooted every Android phone I've ever had, except my Honor 9, but don't really feel the need for the P30 Pro. Sure there are apps I can't use or install because I'm not rooted but that doesn't detract from an amazing phone. Those [required root ] apps I can probably do without anyway.
Would you run Linux as root permanently? Really?
The choice of rooting or not rooting should be a decision made by the owner of the device, not by the manufacturer. Android is marketed as open source; the practice of not allowing bootloader unlocking defeats that entirely.
Would you buy a car to then be told you're not allowed to modify it in any way? Really?
I am also disappointed but these days there is less and less reason for root. Right not, there are only three features I miss without root:
1. No Titanium Backup, so no easy way to do a full backup and make sure everything is backed up and can be restored
2. No way to limit battery charge (so it doesnt go up to 100%)
3. No DNS adblock (VPN work around is the closest I can find but that seems like it would drain battery)
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The choice of rooting or not rooting should be a decision made by the owner of the device, not by the manufacturer. Android is marketed as open source; the practice of not allowing bootloader unlocking defeats that entirely.
Would you buy a car to then be told you're not allowed to modify it in any way? Really?
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Android is NOT "marketed as open source". Show me a commercial website where it is "marketed" as such.
Android IS open source for OEMs to adapt to their devices! You bought a piece of hardware from Huawei, with a compiled Android OS. You can get the source code for Android if you want, but it comes with no hardware and no guarantee.
And your car analogy is terrible. Imagine modifying your car's software... and then your tachometer doesn't work right, or your battery drains, or your car won't start... totally unacceptable. Yet you want to do that to your phone?
I want the option to do whatever I wish. It's really quite a simple concept
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I want the option to do whatever I wish. It's really quite a simple concept
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The closest analogy for the car example is remapping the ECU. Manufacturers go to great lengths to encrypt ECUs and prevent mapping - much like locking a bootloader.
A lot of car mappers have to physically solder wires to certain points on the ECU circuitboard to enable them to map and edit the ECU programming. I'm fairly certain that if you went to that extreme to root your phone you could manage it, but nobody wants root *that* much.
And if you own a car that no engine mapper fancies finding a way to map? You're SOL - much like you are with your P30 Pro.
I used to root, now I dont. I find the devices now do 99% of the things I need without root. The 1%? I can live without Titanium Backup.
I'm sure the Asus device is powerful, but a lot of the people here bought the P30 Pro because they wanted a P30 Pro, not a different phone. Thanks for the review, but it's like going on a VW forum and saying 'OMG guys, sell up and go buy this BMW - IT'S AMAZING' - we're here because we wanted the VW...
@Isis111
Now you've had your ROG 2 for a while how are you getting along with it?
Since this thread I've been following the ROG 2 forum but even though root is available there's not much development happening. I was initially very interested after you started this thread but now I'm not sure the ROG 2 is as good as you said.
So I'm interested what your thoughts are now.
Also, what version do you have, and have you been impressed enough to buy any accessories?
Cheers