Hi people,
I am posting this message on HTC FACEBOOK site, I ask you all to copy&paste same message and post at HTC FB page. (correct where necessary, for example the year when you first bought your HTC, how many HTC you have had, etc...)
I am thinking that if we all unite and post same message we can create a chain reaction and force HTC to officialy reply to our questions. Otherwise they will get hundreds of the same long message on their Facebook page which they might not like people always complaint.
HTC Facebook site : http://www.facebook.com/HTC
Here is the message copy & paste & correct where necessary and post on HTC Facebook site.
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HTC Facebook site will NOT allow you to post a message more than 1000 characters, so goto the Photo section and add an ordinary photo or add below photo , then your message can be as long as you wish
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Dear Peter Chou and HTC Employees.
Hear us.
I bought my first HTC phone in 2008 and it was a HTC Touch Pro.
I am currently on my 11th HTC phone right now and since the date I met HTC , I personally did not change my HTC to any other brand.
We have been loyal HTC customers since many years and we expect HTC to treat us the same way, otherwise our HTC love will not last forever. You are where you are because of us loyal customers.
Recently about a month ago, HTC C.E.O Peter Chou announced that HTC will be no longer locking the bootloaders from now on. I think this was a necessary move anyway since all other competion like Samsung and Motorola already offer unlocked bootloaders.
After reading Peter's comments here on HTC Facebook Page, I have pre-ordered the HTC SENSATION and the HTC FLYER.
I have received my both devices about 2 weeks ago but unfortunately they came with Locked (signed) bootloaders.
Currently there are thousands of people per day asking HTC when and how the unlocked bootloader process will start. The only reply we get from HTC is , "we are working on it and you will hear from us soon"
Dear HTC, we need some SPECIFIC ANSWERS from you rather than a pre-studied "we're working on it"
Now everybody is talking something and all we hear is speculation.
Please answer these questions with specific answers:
1) When will you start ?
2) How will the unlocking process begin ?
3) Which devices will get the unsigned bootloaders?
4) What about the Branded Devices
5) Is the process software or hardware related ?
If you answer these 5 simple questions, for sure everybody will be relaxed and we will give you enough time to breath and do your job rather than posting alot of dissatisfaction messages on your Facebook page.
If you noticed lately , you only get dissatisfaction messages posted on your website due to not giving any detailed info about the unlocking of the bootloaders.......
We all expect an OFFICIAL REPLY from you
Best Regards
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How do I go about posting on HTC's wall? I feel like an idiot. Do I click the "like" button? Not a facebooker.
Nevermind, got it. Feel free to delete this post.
Just click the link and goto the wall and click on photo then paste the message and add a photo
Thats it
Or you could just read this official announcement
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-unlocking-bootloaders-across-the-board-official-26155031/
Just sayin'
I mean seriously, they are not going to respond to every inquiry. Filling up their facebook page with the same post over and over again just relegates facebook to what it really is, a vast wasteland of nothing worth noting.
HTC has a lot on their plate, yes I want the flyer unlocked, but I also want my Thunderbolt with Gingerbread.
Might be a good idea to fix some of the grammatical mistakes before starting this campaign.
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Posted the message on FB.....fingers crossed !!
wingdo said:
Or you could just read this official announcement
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-unlocking-bootloaders-across-the-board-official-26155031/
Just sayin'
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Or you can try reading it. HTC's statement is about future phones. They have not been clear about whether existing products will be updated to unlock the bootloader. Also, the Flyer is not a phone. HTC has not been clear, and the OP wants clarification.
wingdo said:
I mean seriously, they are not going to respond to every inquiry. Filling up their facebook page with the same post over and over again just relegates facebook to what it really is, a vast wasteland of nothing worth noting.
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They don't have to respond to every inquiry. That is not the intent. HTC stated that they are changing their policy due to overwhelming customer response. This is due to people like the OP raising their voice, not from people waiting around for things to happen. And this is just one way we can voice our opinion to HTC. Its not completely clear to me how much attention HTC pays to their Facebook page. But it may well be as valid a form of communicating with them as any other. Writing letter or messages to companies or government is how a lot of things have gotten done, don't underestimate it.
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Or you can try reading it. HTC's statement is about future phones. They have not been clear about whether existing products will be updated to unlock the bootloader. Also, the Flyer is not a phone. HTC has not been clear, and the OP wants clarification.
They don't have to respond to every inquiry. That is not the intent. HTC stated that they are changing their policy due to overwhelming customer response. This is due to people like the OP raising their voice, not from people waiting around for things to happen. And this is just one way we can voice our opinion to HTC. Its not completely clear to me how much attention HTC pays to their Facebook page. But it may well be as valid a form of communicating with them as any other. Writing letter or messages to companies or government is how a lot of things have gotten done, don't underestimate it.
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As a business person, I do not disagree with a letter / e-mail campaign, but I will say filling up a company's official FB page with complaints of which people should not even be complaining is not going to win any favors with HTC. You are correct, they are talking about FUTURE devices. Anyone who likes to root and flash 3rd party ROMs had to know the Flyer was locked down. It's been all over the intertubes. If you knowingly buy something which is locked, you should not expect a lot of sympathy over the fact it is locked. Do I want it unlocked? Yes, but not for any really good reason. I bought the Flyer specifically for the pen and "notes". Whatever ROM I may flash has to have sense and scribe built in. I cannot imagine why someone would fork out this kind of money to flash CM on it (and I sued CM the majority of my 18 months on the D1).
I also agree with another poster. *If* you are going to engage in a SPAM campaign to a company, please make sure it is spelling error free, grammatically correct and non nonsensical.
Again, I do not disagree with the intent or idea, strictly with the fact the idea is to SPAM HTC's official FB site with this.
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BTW, what happens if HTC picks a date for the unlocking of the Flyer and then misses it for some reason? Will everyone understand things go awry when making this happen OTA and they want to be sure it is safe, or will people start *****ing "hey it's 12:01 the next day and still no unlocked bootloader. ZOMFGWTFBBQ?????"
wingdo said:
As a business person, I do not disagree with a letter / e-mail campaign, but I will say filling up a company's official FB page with complaints of which people should not even be complaining is not going to win any favors with HTC. . . .
I also agree with another poster. *If* you are going to engage in a SPAM campaign to a company, please make sure it is spelling error free, grammatically correct and non nonsensical.
Again, I do not disagree with the intent or idea, strictly with the fact the idea is to SPAM HTC's official FB site with this.
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This isn't spam. You, like many others, need to learn the definition of what spam is, before flinging that term around willy-nilly. This is a viewpoint, opinion, request by the OP. A suggestion to HTC on how to make their product better. That seems exactly what the HTC Facebook page is for. That's not spam.
On the other hand, should people just cut and paste his letter verbatim? I agree the answer is 'no'. But use it as an example, customize it to fit your situation/opinion and engage in the campaign in a meaningful way.
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BTW, what happens if HTC picks a date for the unlocking of the Flyer and then misses it for some reason?
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You are right. For that reason HTC always answer to such request like: We don't know, don't ask but read our news channels.
My "translation": We are working on it (unlocked boot-loader for Sensation and Flyer) and when it's done then - and not before - we will inform you.
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This isn't spam. You, like many others, need to learn the definition of what spam is, before flinging that term around willy-nilly. This is a viewpoint, opinion, request by the OP. A suggestion to HTC on how to make their product better. That seems exactly what the HTC Facebook page is for. That's not spam.
On the other hand, should people just cut and paste his letter verbatim? I agree the answer is 'no'. But use it as an example, customize it to fit your situation/opinion and engage in the campaign in a meaningful way.
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So aside from loose use of the word SPAM, we are in agreement that people should not just cut and paste this into HTC's official FB site.
HTC is not going to give release dates which can and most certainly will be missed, especially for something like unlocking a bootloader. The TB missed it's initial release date and it seemed like everyone on earth was up in arms judging by the amount of traffic people saw.
I am not even sure the bootloader will be un-lockable (yay for non existent words) via OTA. The odds of bricking may be too high for HTC to want to deal with. Their official statement is that going forward HTC devices will not have a locked boot loader. People should take that for what it means. *If* HTC decides to go back and unlock already out there devices I think that would be a very difficult thing to do from a reliability and certainty standpoint.
The OP bought the Flyer knowing the boot loader was locked. The OP did not return their Flyer during the return period (BB is 14 days). The OP bought exactly what was advertised, and is not satisfied and suggests to post the same complaint over and over again on an official welcome to HTC page. The BEST way to get companies to understand that you will not buy something with a locked boot loader is to not buy it in the first place.
I am dropping my sub to this thread as the point is lost on some.
That's a heck of a lot of speculation on your part. And you may/may not be completely correct. But its really not too much to ask for HTC to clarify whether they intend to unlock the Flyer's bootloader or not.
The Flyer is a great device. Many on here, myself included, want an unlocked bootloader, root, S-Off; but don't feel its enough to be a deal breaker and not buy the device.
If everybody posted, at the same time , the same message (corrected the dates and phones according to him). Then for sure it would create an impact on HTC .
Since only a few acted, it's just another complaint message to the eyes of HTC.
Please HTC, build better phones!
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Please HTC, build better phones!
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about the question what spam is: here we have it or I didn't understand still these mass of posts here... ?!
So you're asking possibly hundreds of people to post a poorly constructed letter on the official HTC Facebook page.
I'll pass thanks
ieen said:
So you're asking possibly hundreds of people to post a poorly constructed letter on the official HTC Facebook page.
I'll pass thanks
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Than take the time to write a better one, or think of a better idea, instead of just complaining about somebody else's effort.
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Than take the time to write a better one, or think of a better idea, instead of just complaining about somebody else's effort.
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I was just going to write the same thing but you beat me to it , thanks
wingdo said:
I am not even sure the bootloader will be un-lockable (yay for non existent words) via OTA. The odds of bricking may be too high for HTC to want to deal with. Their official statement is that going forward HTC devices will not have a locked boot loader. People should take that for what it means. *If* HTC decides to go back and unlock already out there devices I think that would be a very difficult thing to do from a reliability and certainty standpoint.
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Well, the following news pretty much settles the question of whether a manufacturer can unlock the bootloader, if they really wanted to. Motorola's Gingerbread update for the Atrix comes with the ability to unlock the bootloader:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/22/gingerbread-update-for-the-motorola-atrix-4g-brings-fully-unlockable-bootloader/
Also answers the question of how a manufacturer can offer an unlocked bootloader without the risk of bricking a bunch of the Flyer's out there (if that's even a real risk). In the case of the Atrix, it sounds like the user has to issue the command over ADB to unlock the bootloader, which also gives a warning that it may void your warranty. Seems like a pretty tidy way to do it. Anyone that really wants the bootloader unlocked is not going to have a problem with a simple ADB command. But those that don't care, don't have to mess with it.
I am beginning to think that HTC is really working on unlocking the bootloaders and we will get our S-OFF soon ........
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If you're not truly adept at hacking and/or finding exploits but you still want root, why not try and do something useful? Once per day take a few minutes to post on HTC's Facebook wall and/or Tweet @HTC and ask them for a timeframe on the unlocked bootloader. While you're at it, bug HTC to release kernel source for the EVO 3D and EVO 4G (kernel source will be critical for things like overclocking, undervolting, and porting AOSP ROMs like CM7 or MIUI to the EVO 3D).
Go to HTC's Facebook page. If you haven't Liked HTC yet, then click Like. Post on their wall asking for a timeframe for an unlocked bootloader AND for kernel source for the EVO 3D. Click on Like for your post and then go through and like every other post related to bootloaders.
Then head over to Twitter and tweet @HTC asking for the unlocked bootloader and kernel source.
I'll try to bump this thread once per day as a gentle reminder to continue the campaign. And finally, please try to keep your messages to HTC respectful!
For those that don't believe that rooted and/or unlocked phones are popular, then I invite you to look at this link. The #2 paid app is ROM Manager. Also in the list are other root-only apps like Root Explorer, SetCPU, and Titanium Backup. There are plenty of root users out there.
Id say go after sprint too. They could easily be the ones telling HTC to not unlock it. In the end they have the final approval anyway.
I have seen posts back and forth, all over the interwebs about "future" devices getting unlocked. Does that necessarily mean the 3VO is getting unlocked? It's all speculation at this point, but I was doing some scanning over HTC's facebook page and I did notice on post
"FYI.........all EVO 3D owners.
It seems we have been lied to. Apparently there was a contract in place for the EVO 3d to have a locked bootloader long before the CEO came out and said they would unlock future phones. So its looking like no matter what HTC is saying, they do not plan on unlocking the 3D. So its looking like the only way to truly voice your concerns is to return your devices now. There will be no unlocking of the 3D by HTC."
I asked the person who posted this on their Facebook page who the source was, and he claims he couldn't disclose due to obvious reason, which I think is bullsh*t to begin with, but I have asked if this person is a Sprint or HTC development employee. Those would be the only two people that would ever know such information.
Food for thought, I know it's all up in the air, but I'm tired of HTC just saying "it's coming soon" and "future devices" without actually saying "The EVO 3D is getting/isn't getting an unlocked bootloader."
Best option as of this point as the OP stated is to constantly ask on their different forms of Social Media. Sprint would also be good to question, due to they have the power to influence HTC to cook up something quicker.
Well %#[email protected]
It's pretty simple. ***** to them like the op mentioned. If they don't unlock the phone the ball is in your court. Either return it or sell the phone and get one that does. The only language companies speak is $$$
I don't have a 3D, but I would return it. Mass returns would carry a strong message.
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lil_bono said:
I don't have a 3D, but I would return it. Mass returns would carry a strong message.
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Considering the xda (specifically EVO3D and Sensation) community is a small part of a market, I doubt it would be in mass. Some are happy with the phone without root.
Zabalba said:
Considering the xda (specifically EVO3D and Sensation) community is a small part of a market, I doubt it would be in mass. Some are happy with the phone without root.
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I do unfortunately agree with this. There are A LOT of people out there who aren't concerned with rooting their device. These would be the boring users of society would probably pay the $30 a month for tethering that us "excited" users refuse to pay for because we know we've had it for free before.
However, I do know a lot of guest come by XDA and are reading about the device being locked and not wanting to upgrade to the 3D. If you guys haven't seen HTCs Facebook wall or Twitter feed, they are getting slammed by everyone, which isn't a bad thing personally.
I really hope that post I read about not unlocking this device is just some guy screwing with us and this thing gets unlocked before July 21st.
Honestly, when HTC's CEO came out and said that they would be unlocking bootloaders, I was very surprised. The first thing that came to mind was the fact that unlocking likely isn't even entirely in HTC's court. There's likely a stipulation in one or more of HTC's contracts with Sprint and/or their 3rd party hardware and software providers that requires HTC to provide a certain level of security on their phones. Still, their CEO came out and said it. It's up to HTC to either live up to their promise or at the very least man up and admit that they made a mistake when they made that promise. IMHO, the fact that Motorola unlocked the Atrix 4G proves to me that something like this is possible.
I'm not sure I want to suggest that people return their phones over this issue, but a mess of returns at the end of July might be the best way to put our money where our mouths are.
For those that don't believe that rooted and/or unlocked phones are popular, then I invite you to look at this link. The #2 paid app is ROM Manager. Also in the list are other root-only apps like Root Explorer, SetCPU, and Titanium Backup. There are plenty of root users out there.
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For those that don't believe that rooted and/or unlocked phones are popular, then I invite you to look at this link. The #2 paid app is ROM Manager. Also in the list are other root-only apps like Root Explorer, SetCPU, and Titanium Backup. There are plenty of root users out there.
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That's the point I would have liked to make. Even though everyone who rooted their phone isn't a member on XDA or other EVO affiliated forums, doesn't mean they don't exist. That point you made about ROM manager being the #2 paid app is a mindset changer for me personally, as well as how many downloads Root Explorer, SetCPU, TB, and Terminal Emulator are accounted for. There are plenty of non-rooted users out there who could really care less about having root access. it's gotta be close to a 60/40 range, where ~40% of use are Rooted users.
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If you're not truly adept at hacking and/or finding exploits but you still want root, why not try and do something useful? Once per day take a few minutes to post on HTC's Facebook wall and/or Tweet @HTC and ask them for a timeframe on the unlocked bootloader. While you're at it, bug HTC to release kernel source for the EVO 3D and EVO 4G (kernel source will be critical for things like overclocking, undervolting, and porting AOSP ROMs like CM7 or MIUI to the EVO 3D).
Go to HTC's Facebook page. If you haven't Liked HTC yet, then click Like. Post on their wall asking for a timeframe for an unlocked bootloader AND for kernel source for the EVO 3D. Click on Like for your post and then go through and like every other post related to bootloaders.
Then head over to Twitter and tweet @HTC asking for the unlocked bootloader and kernel source.
I'll try to bump this thread once per day as a gentle reminder to continue the campaign. And finally, please try to keep your messages to HTC respectful!
For those that don't believe that rooted and/or unlocked phones are popular, then I invite you to look at this link. The #2 paid app is ROM Manager. Also in the list are other root-only apps like Root Explorer, SetCPU, and Titanium Backup. There are plenty of root users out there.
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*speculates whether HTC wiill release the unlock first or shutdown the Facebook page first.
I'm not really sure why people purchase these phones to NOT root them.
They have some nice "clamshell" phones that just do "phone" for those people. Leave the grown up phones to the grown ups.
To Root or not to Root.. no, there is NO question.
VoXHTC said:
I'm not really sure why people purchase these phones to NOT root them.
They have some nice "clamshell" phones that just do "phone" for those people. Leave the grown up phones to the grown ups.
To Root or not to Root.. no, there is NO question.
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No need to root if a rich guy buys the phone purely to show off ( those my phone is better than yours/I am richer than you crap )
But if you really bought the phone for real use, I don't think a unrooted phone can get anywhere...
Up to the top! Keep bugging HTC!
Kernel source would really help with attaining S-OFF and permanent root. Please keep bugging HTC for both the unlocked bootloader and kernel source!
Yeah, I'm not entering my name anywhere. Thanks anyway, HTC. Besides, AlphaRev and Unrevoked already did your job for you.
Since our last update, many of you have asked how the bootloader unlocking process will actually work, and in particular why HTC's most recently released devices still have a locked bootloader. Rest assured we're making progress toward our goal to roll out the first software updates in August to support unlocking for the global HTC Sensation, followed soon by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. Because unlocking the bootloader provides extensive control over the device and modifications may cause operation, security and experience issues, new devices will continue to ship locked but will support user-initiated unlocking using a new Web-based tool.
So how will this work? The Web tool, which will launch this month, requires that you register an account with a valid e-mail address and accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty. Then plug in your phone to a computer with the Android SDK loaded to retrieve a device identifier token, which you can then enter into the Web tool to receive a unique unlock key via e-mail. Finally, apply the key to your device and unlocking will be initiated on your phone.
We're excited to bring bootloader unlocking to developers and enthusiasts, and we feel this new Web tool will meet your needs and continue to provide customers with the best experience. Thanks to the community for supporting these efforts!
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https://www.facebook.com/note.php?saved&¬e_id=10150305151453084&id=101063233083
I figured they would want a way to know exactly which phones were unlocked. i'll stick with alpha revs method.
From my mikmikoptimized shooter!
blackroseMD1 said:
Yeah, I'm not entering my name anywhere. Thanks anyway, HTC. Besides, AlphaRev and Unrevoked already did your job for you.
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wow. some actual clarity on what they plan to do.
nice to see an update !
but for the evo3d is a bit late
Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
That blows. They couldn't just ship the damn thing unlocked.
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ktulu909 said:
Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
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Well, if he did I hope he didn't sell them the serial numbers of the ones already unlocked jk
I guess it all makes sense (har har).
If it makes the carriers happy, who cares if this is how they do it? I'm sure whenever they release a bootloader unlocker someone on XDA will take it and make it so you can do it without the email/key. We're gonna come out ahead either way.
Well i guess now they will know when we unlock our bootloader and warranty I don't care since I don't use the warranty anyways
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
I'd be curious to know from Google, Sprint and Samsung how many problems they have from the NexusS4G being very easily unlockable...I doubt it's very many...and HTC should suck on that.
I don't know if that's as much of a fair comparison - with the Nexus being near stock I wouldn't expect them to be flashed/bricked nearly as much as with the Evo4G.
The OG Evo gained so much from flashing - features, kernels, whole new versions of sense. And it had so many updates over the life of the phone, making for different rooting methods and having people flash their phones many many times, making it one of if not the most developed phone we have seen.
I'm quite certain the brick count on those were some of the highest anyone's ever seen as well. That's after all the returns from dead pixels, bad charging ports, and what have you. You can understand a carrier/manufacturer's wishing to prevent all that.
By the same token, it feels like HTC benefits greatly from the development community, perhaps using a lot of what they see here in their own updates (maybe even waiting for people to fix their bugs). They definitely see value in unlocking phones, which I guess we should be happy about.
As long as HTC keeps their unlocked policy I will remain a loyal customer.
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I don't know if that's as much of a fair comparison - with the Nexus being near stock I wouldn't expect them to be flashed/bricked nearly as much as with the Evo4G.
The OG Evo gained so much from flashing - features, kernels, whole new versions of sense. And it had so many updates over the life of the phone, making for different rooting methods and having people flash their phones many many times, making it one of if not the most developed phone we have seen.
I'm quite certain the brick count on those were some of the highest anyone's ever seen as well. That's after all the returns from dead pixels, bad charging ports, and what have you. You can understand a carrier/manufacturer's wishing to prevent all that.
By the same token, it feels like HTC benefits greatly from the development community, perhaps using a lot of what they see here in their own updates (maybe even waiting for people to fix their bugs). They definitely see value in unlocking phones, which I guess we should be happy about.
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Were there that many bricked E4G's? I don't recall hearing about that many of them in my tenure on the forum...admittedly I barely spent any time in General that year as Development was bustling from before day 1.
...but, per capita I doubt the brick-count was that far off the average for any other popular phone worth rooting. God knows I did horrible things to mine and never even had to fix it via adb/fastboot.... it was a very popular phone even among the average joe.
I know that HTC benefits greatly from the dev community. Where do you think they got the FPS-unlock from? Among other things. That's how open source works and is designed to work. That's also why myself and others were so shocked with the whole 'locking' fiasco.
...now, aside from our own speculation about how high the brick rate may or may not have been why not speculate about something more productive: How LOW the brick rate could be if they utilized eMMC's secure-write technology to make a 'mega-recovery' partition that would be locked and even WE wouldn't want to unlock it....that could be used in a worst case scenario to fully restore a phone to stock...to enable the unlocking that WE want and reduce the (understandable) liability of allowing full control that they want. We get unlock, they get insulation from liability of allowing such a feature (that most people STILL wouldn't know about or care about)....why don't they do that? eMMC makes that trivial to implement (as we found out the hard way)...neglecting the fact that they could have utilized any number of simpler technologies to accomplish the same thing even before eMMC...why not?
That's a topic for further speculation (get your tinfoil hats ready), but, why don't they do that? Play both sides of the field. No voided warranties, no brick returns, no pissed off modders....win win win, right? The carrier doesn't want that? Cool, let us know, we'll flock to the carrier that allows it...something tells me Sprint would be that underdog...
ktulu909 said:
Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
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Not at all like what AlphaRevX did. The only reason they had the serial number check was because it was in Beta so they could shut down their serial generator and stop people using their unlock if they found a problem with it.
This HTC method makes sense, and I think it's fair. Their tool only needs to hook up to your phone to get the device identifier token, the unlock actually happens on the phone itself. This way HTC gets a list of unlocked phones so when people go for support you can't lie to them that your phone was unlocked, but people can have day one unlocks on any phone from HTC going forward.
So now HTC wants to know who exactly is unlocking there phones??
Nice try you sneaky basterds
What's wrong with them knowing if you're unlocked? They have to do that... Otherwise insurance companies would get upset. This is legit and it if people screw their phones up due to user error while unlocked then they shouldn't be able to file a claim.
This also let's them see just how many people want to be unlocked so they don't try and take it away from us again
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Rippley05 said:
What's wrong with them knowing if you're unlocked? They have to do that... Otherwise insurance companies would get upset. This is legit and it if people screw their phones up due to user error while unlocked then they shouldn't be able to file a claim.
This also let's them see just how many people want to be unlocked so they don't try and take it away from us again
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yeah....I dunno. They could (relatively) easily make the phones nearly brick-proof (see my above post) yet they do not. Why? I'm almost irritated by all of the altruistic sentiment for 'doing the right thing'....not because of the altruism, I actually find that refreshing and endearing. It's more because they could take steps to nearly eliminate the potential for bricking (and in doing so insulate the insurance company from liability...making that a moot point), but that people are defending a position that needn't exist.
nhutpham said:
i guess it all makes sense (har har).
If it makes the carriers happy, who cares if this is how they do it? I'm sure whenever they release a bootloader unlocker someone on xda will take it and make it so you can do it without the email/key. We're gonna come out ahead either way.
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+1000000000
Haha, sounds exactly how alpharev did it...hmm, maybe they tore it out of alpharevs hands, i dont know, sounds fishy.
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yeah....I dunno. They could (relatively) easily make the phones nearly brick-proof (see my above post) yet they do not. Why? I'm almost irritated by all of the altruistic sentiment for 'doing the right thing'....not because of the altruism, I actually find that refreshing and endearing. It's more because they could take steps to nearly eliminate the potential for bricking (and in doing so insulate the insurance company from liability...making that a moot point), but that people are defending a position that needn't exist.
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You don't know why they're doing it. Maybe they wanna track the people that abuse the crap out of wireless tether... Maybe it's for other reasons. Who cares, they are unlocking it for us and that's all that matters. I have nothing to hide when I root so I care less. If you're upset about it then there are other options.
People are getting exactly what they wanted and they still find a reason to cry... Get over it already
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I emailed HTC; got one email back so far. I told them 'i cant unlock the bootloader from there htcdev web site.
Dear XXX XXX,
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I'm back to harassing them on their page. Just unlock it.
:shrug:
Sent from a Rezound, crappie camera included.
Isn't it Verizon that wanted it locked? Not htc.
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more email for HTC
Dear XXXXXX,
We understand wanting to make the most of your device functionality. Unfortunately, the HTC Rezound is not eligible at this time to unlock the bootloader and is not currently supported by the HTC developer website. We apologize for the inconvenience but have no means to resolve the concern at this time.
Feel free to contact us again should you have any further questions. If you feel more comfortable discussing issues by phone, you can contact Technical Support at 1-866-449-8358, 6 am to 1 am EST, 7 days a week.
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I wrote a very pointed and professional letter to a few of the executives at vzw today. I directed the letter to David Small and cc'd the other higher ups.
He responded that he would take my suggestion under advisement. I feel good about the response. I will attatch a copy of my letter along with the response.
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Guys... harassing HTC and Verizon isn't going to work. Period. I am willing to bet that Verizon sits back and laughs at the letters and emails they get in regards to unlocking devices, because it's NOT going to change. As much as I love Verizon, the locking of their phones is indeed selfish and a waste of a good product.
Everyone needs to calm down. If you don't want to wait, get a different phone. If you are willing to wait it out, at least let HTC secretly slip a method to unlocking it or wait for a developer to crack it. These multiple "contact HTC and Verizon" threads are pointless and a waste of time.
That is all.
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Guys... harassing HTC and Verizon isn't going to work. Period. I am willing to bet that Verizon sits back and laughs at the letters and emails they get in regards to unlocking devices, because it's NOT going to change. As much as I love Verizon, the locking of their phones is indeed selfish and a waste of a good product.
Everyone needs to calm down. If you don't want to wait, get a different phone. If you are willing to wait it out, at least let HTC secretly slip a method to unlocking it or wait for a developer to crack it. These multiple "contact HTC and Verizon" threads are pointless and a waste of time.
That is all.
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Calm down buddy, if it's not your time what are you worked up about? At least they're making an effort instead of sitting back and WAITING for something to happen.
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Guys... harassing HTC and Verizon isn't going to work. Period. I am willing to bet that Verizon sits back and laughs at the letters and emails they get in regards to unlocking devices, because it's NOT going to change. As much as I love Verizon, the locking of their phones is indeed selfish and a waste of a good product.
Everyone needs to calm down. If you don't want to wait, get a different phone. If you are willing to wait it out, at least let HTC secretly slip a method to unlocking it or wait for a developer to crack it. These multiple "contact HTC and Verizon" threads are pointless and a waste of time.
That is all.
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A part of me wants to say you're right if it were only tens of 1-300 people, but I genuinely believe if they have (high) hundreds or thousands of customers complaining about it and are threatening to leave, they maybe, just maybe get the hint. I'm trying to be optimistic. Then again they may have their heads up their asses and may have a filter set up specifically for these emails and the generic response ready at hand.
After being disappointed by the "Error Code: 160. Error Reason: MID Not Allowed." message from htcdev.com, I too wrote an email looking for insight. My first email got the boiler plate response but my follow up did a little better:
It is entirely possible that the bootloader for the HTC Incredible 4G LTE will be unlockable in the future. Although I cannot give you an exact date as we do not have one at this time, I can tell you that we are working closely with our carrier partners to try to enable unlocks on as many devices as we can.
As for the likely-hood of the bootloader being unlockable, I would be remiss to attempt to give you a percentage. It really can go either way at any time.
It is very possible that the USB OTG (or a similar technology) will be implemented in the future. We try to implement the latest and greatest technology into our devices. The likely-hood of this happening is completely unknown to us here at this time as we have not received any information regarding this as of yet.
So, to re-cap, both are very possible. We are currently working on the bootloader unlocks. This is why more information is known. I am unaware of specific plans for the USB OTG (or similar) technology, however, announcements of this nature are normally released on our official Facebook and Twitter pages first.
I really want root/S-OFF and while I still hope for a technical solution independent of htc/verizon policy, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to make a parallel effort to help htc and verizon conclude that root/S-OFF for developers is good. I think I read speculation that verizon is probably preventing htc from providing the unlocks. Is this the consensus? Why do the unlocks hurt verizon? How can the risks to verizon be mitigated? How can the htc argument to verizon that unlocks are good be strengthened? Do we have any route to the htc and verizon individuals making the decision? Would some signed legal document swearing good intentions help? Would some additional fee help? The htc email response pushes their twitter account, which seems boring. Is there a twitter play that brings the di4g unlock decision back to the front?
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After being disappointed by the "Error Code: 160. Error Reason: MID Not Allowed." message from htcdev.com, I too wrote an email looking for insight. My first email got the boiler plate response but my follow up did a little better:
It is entirely possible that the bootloader for the HTC Incredible 4G LTE will be unlockable in the future. Although I cannot give you an exact date as we do not have one at this time, I can tell you that we are working closely with our carrier partners to try to enable unlocks on as many devices as we can.
As for the likely-hood of the bootloader being unlockable, I would be remiss to attempt to give you a percentage. It really can go either way at any time.
It is very possible that the USB OTG (or a similar technology) will be implemented in the future. We try to implement the latest and greatest technology into our devices. The likely-hood of this happening is completely unknown to us here at this time as we have not received any information regarding this as of yet.
So, to re-cap, both are very possible. We are currently working on the bootloader unlocks. This is why more information is known. I am unaware of specific plans for the USB OTG (or similar) technology, however, announcements of this nature are normally released on our official Facebook and Twitter pages first.
I really want root/S-OFF and while I still hope for a technical solution independent of htc/verizon policy, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to make a parallel effort to help htc and verizon conclude that root/S-OFF for developers is good. I think I read speculation that verizon is probably preventing htc from providing the unlocks. Is this the consensus? Why do the unlocks hurt verizon? How can the risks to verizon be mitigated? How can the htc argument to verizon that unlocks are good be strengthened? Do we have any route to the htc and verizon individuals making the decision? Would some signed legal document swearing good intentions help? Would some additional fee help? The htc email response pushes their twitter account, which seems boring. Is there a twitter play that brings the di4g unlock decision back to the front?
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that htc twitter is all BS, You mean to tell me out of all the tweets not one person asked about bootloader unlocking on the inc4g
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After being disappointed by the "Error Code: 160. Error Reason: MID Not Allowed." message from htcdev.com, I too wrote an email looking for insight. My first email got the boiler plate response but my follow up did a little better:
It is entirely possible that the bootloader for the HTC Incredible 4G LTE will be unlockable in the future. Although I cannot give you an exact date as we do not have one at this time, I can tell you that we are working closely with our carrier partners to try to enable unlocks on as many devices as we can.
As for the likely-hood of the bootloader being unlockable, I would be remiss to attempt to give you a percentage. It really can go either way at any time.
It is very possible that the USB OTG (or a similar technology) will be implemented in the future. We try to implement the latest and greatest technology into our devices. The likely-hood of this happening is completely unknown to us here at this time as we have not received any information regarding this as of yet.
So, to re-cap, both are very possible. We are currently working on the bootloader unlocks. This is why more information is known. I am unaware of specific plans for the USB OTG (or similar) technology, however, announcements of this nature are normally released on our official Facebook and Twitter pages first.
I really want root/S-OFF and while I still hope for a technical solution independent of htc/verizon policy, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to make a parallel effort to help htc and verizon conclude that root/S-OFF for developers is good. I think I read speculation that verizon is probably preventing htc from providing the unlocks. Is this the consensus? Why do the unlocks hurt verizon? How can the risks to verizon be mitigated? How can the htc argument to verizon that unlocks are good be strengthened? Do we have any route to the htc and verizon individuals making the decision? Would some signed legal document swearing good intentions help? Would some additional fee help? The htc email response pushes their twitter account, which seems boring. Is there a twitter play that brings the di4g unlock decision back to the front?
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All I can really say is,
patience is a virtue..
I know it sucks having a phone without root.
and i will be in the same boat if i need to get a refurb.
maybe getting a refurb will help..?
u may get lucky and get a phone that was once unlocked thus the MID is not blocked.
or VZW could have thought about this and fixed it, just brain storming.
but, good things will come, root will come.
it's just a matter of time, they can't give you 100% answer yet, until it's official.
it certainly doesn't hurt sending in the petitions, but I hope it helps calm some anxiety knowing it's being worked on hard by the best ppl.
I mean seriously, if these dudes can hack a Rezound, which was locked really good, to get s-off with a friggin paperclip, they will get us root.
they are a great group of guys working for free for us.
can't ask for much more.
and once we get root and/or htc dev-unlock
we WILL have s-off VERY SOON afterwards....
I received the below e-mail today. I did not appreciate being contacted out of the blue via e-mail; if you feel the need to contact me, use XDA's tagging feature. With that said, I thought I'd reply in public with my thoughts on the matter, hoping to drive a constructive conversation about Verizon Wireless' restrictions for devices on their network. My initial response is in post 2.
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What do you think of having everyone from XDA and the CM community using the DINC 4G LTE file Better Business Bureau complaints against verizon? It made a business decision not to give us updates, and has deliberately removed the DINC 4g from the HTC Unlock program. They shouldn't be allowed to abandon the platform and to remove unlocking ability that was there.
BBB asks them to respond within 14 days. [edit: link removed]
or have you already tried this route?
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I will leave it up to the writer of the e-mail if he/she would like to make himself/herself known here.
Can you point to a single advertisement by either HTC or Verizon that the Droid Incredible 4G LTE would ever be included in HTCDev's unlocked bootloader program? Even HTC's generic advertisements include disclaimers that some devices may not be included due to various restrictions (the most obvious being carrier refusal). HTC can justify the ability to unlock the bootloader pre-public availability as a means to let developers directly related to software development and quality assurance alter the ROM before release. To a handful of end users who get the device in the early days of release, they get to sneak in and use the unlocker under the "Other devices" category of the program. I suspect we owe HTC a thank you for dragging their feet for a week before disabling the unlock ability for this (and several other) device(s). There is no legitimate complaint that can be filed towards Verizon concerning this matter since they never advertised this as an available feature.
On the topic of abandoning the platform, software-wise, the last available software update for the Incredible 4G still works with reasonable stability and all advertised features are enabled. It is natural for technology devices to age and need replacement; a balance has to be struck between user content or disdain and extent of support. Verizon has apparently deemed there will be very little blowback by prematurely ending software updates. Considering the number of users I see in the XDA forum section for this phone, I'd guess they're right. About the only sticking point that could be leveraged to force a software update out of Verizon is if there are security vulnerabilities that are either being actively exploited or pose a real threat of being exploited in the near future.
Succinctly, we are at the mercy of Verizon's "generosity" concerning extended functionality of, and software updates for, the phones on their network. With these thoughts, I believe we can only ask them to help us out... with reason, anger, begging, or whatever tactic you find most influential. I don't think we can force their hand.
Your thoughts XDAers?
I agree with mdmower. Having come from the OG Droid, I had zero expectation for HTC or Verizon to let me unlock the phone. While I did not expect this phone to be the left-handed, red-haired step-child twice removed orphan of Verizon, it is a great phone with a 4" screen. The size is good (still prefer OG Droid) and the processor and internet speeds are great. I personally am quite content with this phone. We have been blessed with some extremely talented developers and supporters who have
Developed a method to unlock despite HTC/Verizon
Developed two methods for s-off:
DirtyRacun - IMHO, unlimited.io did a great job
FacePalm - Haven't tried, but looks great
Two great recoveries:
Official CWM Recovery, Plus PhilZ
TWRP Recovery
Developed an Incredible Rock Solid Sense ROM in ViperLTE
Developed a solid, official CyanogenMod ROM .
There are probably more, but those are just off of the top of my head. I am also still seeing great ongoing development work for ROMs for this phone. Sure, this phone doesn't have the plethora of ROMs that the OG Droid, Dinc2, Rezound, or [insert model here], but what we do have is solid.
I'm not exactly sure what Verizon owes us. We have a great phone with a great 4GLTE network (at least in my area). It should also be noted that Verizon actually put out an OTA for the OG Dinc around 2+ years after its release with "Improvements and fixes". I would expect the same for this phone as well. I too believe that threats, anger, etc. will not do anything more than generate ill will.
Just my $0.03.
P.S. Why do we still care if there is an "official" bootloader unlock? As mentioned above, we have a proved method to unlock bootloader and/or gain s-off. Even HTC's site says that unlocking bootloader through their "official" site may void your warranty.
HTC Dev said:
Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader. HTC bears no responsibility if your device is no longer usable afterwards.
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The only thing to take away from this is to avoid Verizon and HTC. They may not owe us anything more than we received, but they are clearly sub-par companies compared to others. Unfortunately, I can't ditch Verizon just now because I'm on a shared plan, but I will never buy an HTC phone again.
junkmail9 said:
I agree with mdmower. Having come from the OG Droid, I had zero expectation for HTC or Verizon to let me unlock the phone....
P.S. Why do we still care if there is an "official" bootloader unlock?
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Just to clarify, I'm not content with the support Verizon has offered for this phone, I just realize that we cannot expect them to continue support. I am still not sure about the best avenues of communication with Verizon Wireless, so in a feeble attempt to get their attention, I write a short #openletter on G+.
A far as the official bootloader unlock, it is a little important. An example is the recently advertised CM installer (by the way, I do not have any insider knowledge about CM Inc.). The installer will almost surely be available only to devices with legitimate unlock ability. While the fireball is pretty much "a bit"-out-of-luck even if it did get official unlock, due to the inability to flash the boot partition while in recovery, at some point users need to convince Verizon Wireless to allow unlocked bootloaders for phones on their network. This is especially relevant to the many, many users who are wise enough to not tinker with their phones because of lack of knowledge. They deserve the opportunity to safely replace the legacy operating system on their phone, and this will only be possible if the carrier and manufacturer allow it.
The open letter seems pointless, besides maybe allowing other people to see and take note that Verizon ignores certain customers. As far as our phone though, no point really. Anyone you reach through G+, Facebook, Twitter, Verizon's customer service contacts, etc. will have no real power to do anything. They just give the typical "sorry, we're doing our best" garbage. The message never reaches anyone important enough to actually do anything. The only way a message may get to them is if the user base is very large, but even if we all wrote to them everyday it wouldn't help. Not enough people for them to care. As you said, we're at their mercy. Just have to wait.
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A far as the official bootloader unlock, it is a little important. An example is the recently advertised CM installer (by the way, I do not have any insider knowledge about CM Inc.). The installer will almost surely be available only to devices with legitimate unlock ability. While the fireball is pretty much "a bit"-out-of-luck even if it did get official unlock, due to the inability to flash the boot partition while in recovery, at some point users need to convince Verizon Wireless to allow unlocked bootloaders for phones on their network. This is especially relevant to the many, many users who are wise enough to not tinker with their phones because of lack of knowledge. They deserve the opportunity to safely replace the legacy operating system on their phone, and this will only be possible if the carrier and manufacturer allow it.
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This is an excellent point I had not considered. I was not thinking about the larger issue, (nor am I savvy with the upcoming CM installer). Unfortunately, I have run into a few companies that have seriously dummied down their products because, as one tech support person told me, "some users may have a problem with the advanced features so we removed them." While I can try and understand that point, it was really frustrating because some advanced features I had come to rely on were removed in the product upgrade. Simply because some people could not comprehend how to use it properly? Is Verizon trying to protect us from ourselves, dummy down the phones for "the uneducated masses," or simply trying to force their customers to live with Verizon-installed bloatware?
Okay I have My own say to this.!
Okay so I left AT&T network when I owned the HTC Inspire 4g and moved on to Verizon because there service was better in my area and I purchased the HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE as my first phone with Verizon, I came to like the phone because it was fast, snappy, and good on battery....... But I constantly waited for update to jellybean ( Sense 4+ ) which in reality would make the device more efficient and smoother than it was on Ice Cream Sandwich... And finally I heard the news that we were going to get an update to jellybean in the beginning of 2013.. But after so much time of waiting I finally gave up hope and said ***k the device and went back to AT&T...... and bought the HTC One XL because it recieved updates to sense 5. The device is like an older sibling to the inc4g with close to the same specs. I sold the Incredible 4g because I hated the lack of support for this device... The only good thing going for it was CM10 and the amazing sense kernel. This community deserves more than what has been given to them so far... So my question is why Verizon drop support for us.???? If this community received jelly bean j defiantly would sell my XL and come back to this community......
This is my only my concern.
Sincerely,
24ky
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Here is a weird thought. let your money do the talking. leave Verizon. if enough of us leave we dont need to "change their minds". i brought this up in an HTC elevate detection not to long ago ( also how come htc bent over backwards because verizon wanted the bootload unlock for the ONE removed). instead of open letters or angry tweets and emails, just take your money to someone that appreciates you as a customer? put your money into a company that understands the development community and is willing to support you. how do you think verizon got so good? the used to listen to their customers. now that they are self sustaining they dont need to listen to us anymore. but i bet if their wallet was hit the would. they would bring back unlimited data, remove the block of google wallet, ect....
You wouldn't take your car to a mechanic that does great work but also makes you spend $$ money on things that don't need to be fixed.
my $.02
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Here is a weird thought. let your money do the talking. leave Verizon. if enough of us leave we dont need to "change their minds" i brought this up in an HTC elevate detection not to long ago. instead of open letters or angry tweets, just take your money to someone that appreciates you as a customer? put your money into a company that understands the development community and is willing to support you.
You wouldn't take your car to a mechanic that does great work but also makes you spend $$ money on things that don't need to be fixed.
my $.02
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This is my point from before. This is the only thing you can really do. I wish I could dump Verizon right now, but I can't. For now I'll just settle for never buying HTC again.
somerandomname1 said:
This is my point from before. This is the only thing you can really do. I wish I could dump Verizon right now, but I can't. For now I'll just settle for never buying HTC again.
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this too. maybe if HTC where to step in and help us it would be different.
OP not trying to troll or anything or start a war. i just wanted to get that out their. we do have an option to take our money somewhere else. or at least when this contract is over. ive said it before, i need unlimited data. i dont have wifi anywhere i work and im barely at home so if i have to give up my data plan i will give up my business too. im going to miss there unbeatable coverage but i cant stand to be hit in the balls over and over again with a smile on their face. :/
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I received the below e-mail today. I did not appreciate being contacted out of the blue via e-mail; if you feel the need to contact me, use XDA's tagging feature. With that said, I thought I'd reply in public with my thoughts on the matter, hoping to drive a constructive conversation about Verizon Wireless' restrictions for devices on their network. My initial response is in post 2.
Please, think through your responses before posting. Make sure they ADD to the conversation.
I will leave it up to the writer of the e-mail if he/she would like to make himself/herself known here.
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My 2 cents on this from bitter experience. You will get zilch. You will waste precious amounts of your life trying hard to convince a rigid management who can care so little they'd be happy to break your phone to pieces and hand you another from their stockpile of dinc4g's just to get rid of them ASAP. I've gone through the whole lot with BBB complaints etc. for the Droid X2 by Motorola. haha, wasted my life there. And the countless pleadings to release the ICS ROM that HTC clearly developed for the Dinc2 (Incredible S, international variant got the ICS update) only to get on the Verizon chopping block and get its head unceremoniously severed, taught me one thing and that is we as consumers have knowingly chosen this path, that will give us limited to no flexibility on customization to stay on VZW and we have to "deal" with it.
With all good intentions, I request all to keep your expectations rock bottom. You have better chances of going to the moon on a future Russian spacecraft than convincing Verizon as to why this may be a good idea.
Sincerely,
A disgruntled Droid™ user.
here has been my android experience. started on og inc oct 2010 first droid phone considered ''high-end'' at the time (8 mp camera saaaaay whaaaat??!) then dinc2 great phone but compared to the galaxy S II and the galaxy nexus at the time it was a ''mid range" phone. now with the inc4g it is very ''mid range'' compared to what is out now. the galaxy notes and s4's and the 50 different htc One(s). if you want many different roms to flash to fix your ''addiction'' go nexus or one of the mainstream phones. you will find 100 different "Unofficial CM10.X" roms with "user tweaks" and "kernel tweaks" that in all actuality are nothing more then a reposync from source. yeah they might have a few different mods but they are usually so similar that you will not/could not tell the difference. like someone mentioned earlier I would rather have a few solid roms. a good sense (viper) or if you're an aosp guy like me there's cm. I think anybody who saw the specs of this phone (incredible 4g) and thought, "hey this is going to be the next BIG THING." I'm sorry to tell you that you were mistaken. xda dev support of a phone is only as good as the devs that own the device, and in our case we have a very small amount of active devs.
So I am the a-hole that emailed mdmower. I apologize profusely. When I saw your first post, I almost slunk away in shame, never to show my face here again. I am not even being a little bit facetious. You do great work for a community of people and I abused (what obviously is) an important rule. And I'm really sorry.
In an attempt to redeem myself just a little bit, let me point out one thing that you might not know:
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Can you point to a single advertisement by either HTC or Verizon that the Droid Incredible 4G LTE would ever be included in HTCDev's unlocked bootloader program? Even HTC's generic advertisements include disclaimers that some devices may not be included due to various restrictions (the most obvious being carrier refusal) [SNIP] There is no legitimate complaint that can be filed towards Verizon concerning this matter since they never advertised this as an available feature.
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Actually, some states may have more favorable law here. First and foremost, many states have an unfair/deceptive business practices law that are distinct from the false advertising law. Example: New York has GBL Section 349 (trade practices), and 350 (Advertising). These are consumer-oriented statutes and so they have some bite.
On this point, while Verizon has never said they would provide us with Jelly Bean, there are some nice facts here like how many people were locked into 2 year contracts on a phone that Verizon stopped updating during their two year period. I've seen suggestions that Verizon is pulling this with older phones in order to force upgrades, and if true, that would be the basis for a claim. But here, I think the HTCDev unlock is actually pretty damning. We should be entitled to take discovery into the real reasons why Verizon forced HTC to remove the phone from the program. Given the repeated warnings about waiver of warranty, and the presence of other VZW phones in the program, it's hard to believe it's a support issue.
Finally -- of note is that the ACLU has filed an FTC complaint on this subject earlier this year. Unfortunately I cannot post the link since I just registered for this post (long time lurker) but it's the 2nd hit for "april FTC complaint android" (see pages 6-9) Their basis is the potential for security flaws which go unfixed. The relief they are requesting is pretty broad. I'm actually surprised that there haven't been follow-on civil suits already.
Anyway, I am really sorry again. I'm going to crawl back under the rock I came from now.
If it's any comfort: my punishment is that my D4INC is a flicker model.
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If it's any comfort: my punishment is that my D4INC is a flicker model.
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Haha burn! Just kidding... it's cool.