Looking for higher capacity battery for my topaz, I stumbled upon this interesting ad.
Could this be ? Can us Topaz owners use Hero/Tp2* batteries ? (*another ad said stated "Hero/Tp2 battery").
If so, this means that there thin batteries such as this, that has the capacity of 1500mAh and to my understanding won't require changing the battery cover.
Going from the original 1100mAh to 1500mAh is a significant step (unlike the known 1350mAh battery).
I don't know of this is true or not, but it seems that touch pro2 batteries might not be compatible with our topaz - some battery ads on ebay state that the dimensions are not the same. Tp2 batteries are 2-3mm wider.
Although in picture they look the same, and in some ads even the part no. are identical.
I would still like to know if some one has tried it and got to the same conclusion.
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I don't know of this is true or not, but it seems that touch pro2 batteries might not be compatible with our topaz - some battery ads on ebay state that the dimensions are not the same. Tp2 batteries are 2-3mm wider.
Although in picture they look the same, and in some ads even the part no. are identical.
I would still like to know if some one has tried it and got to the same conclusion.
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The Hero battery is the same but thicker. It fits the Topaz, and will power the phone, but, the rear cover will not fit with the battery in place.
I got one of these 2 days ago, and all i can say is excellent, its on sale right now for $29.99 from $59.99
my battery has not dropped below 50% as yet which is good for me as i burn thru the regular battery in less than 4 hours.
The rear case isnt to hideous neither, says 3d and has a texture, very comfortable, great fit and grip
well worth a shout, i had the seido extended battery and this last longer so far
http://www.accessoryswamp.com/3500mah-extended-life-htc-evo-3d-battery.html
i can take pictures of my phone sporting the case if anyone wants to see
Not too bad. I like the battery cover a lot more than my seidio extended.
You say its lasting longer than your seidio, is that the 3500 or the 4000 mah?
Sent from my HTC Evo 3D on MetroPCS 1x...
the 4000mah, ive had a couple of seidio`s before and they seem to not be fully truthful with there batteries and MaH, and the cover i quite like over the seidios, plus my phone is flashed to cricket so its always searching for a decent signal and 3g, this battery has been great
That looks exactly like the gorilla gadgets one.
http://gorillagadgets.com/htc-evo-3d-extended-life-battery-3400-mah.html
One says 3400, the other says 3500......hmmm
have to disagree
I own both the accessoryswamp battery and the one from seidio. While the AS might be a decent option if cost is an issue, I have to strongly disagree with the assertion that it lasts longer than the seidio. First of all, the seidio is noticeably larger, which fits with its claim of being 4000mah. I don't have a device that measures mah, so can't verify anything on that front, but from my experience, the AS battery lasts about 1.5x as long as the OEM battery, I have found so far that the seidio lasts about 3x as much. I also found that the back for the AS, while I preferred its style/feel, broke within the first few days of me having it (luckily AS replaced it). So if cost is not a big issue and you just want the most powerful/long-lasting battery available, go with the seidio. If you just want something that will have noticeable kick beyond the OEM but don't wanna shell out the premium, go with AS (or even gorillagadgets since they're a couple bucks cheaper and have been around longer)....just my 2 cents!
All i can say is once my battery was conditioned it out lasts the seidio, but thats my experience.
Seidio have been more than guilty of putting false MAH ratings on the products they sell, just go look it up
anyways, its a good battery, well worth the $30 delivered
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That looks exactly like the gorilla gadgets one.
http://gorillagadgets.com/htc-evo-3d-extended-life-battery-3400-mah.html
One says 3400, the other says 3500......hmmm
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It is I have the gg one and under the branding sticker is the same info as one those.
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http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...battery-for-htc-evo-3d-with-battery-door.html
Has anyone got one of these yet? It's a monster, thinking of getting one myself.
Would like to know your experiences with it, how long does battery last for you, what rom are you running and what is your clock speed set to.
Cheers.
3600mAH battery with back cover for EVO 3D £66.21p
i would get a sedio Innocell 4000mAh Extended Life Battery for use with HTC EVO 3D - Black
Is there a good protective case for any of them?
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Seen some seidio brand also wondering how they hold up. I bought a brand new seidio 1900 mha slim for 25 bucks. Might get a fat one someday.
Not heard of sedio, will check them out, i always thought that the mugen batteries were the best, i've had some of them in the past, just not for the evo, they've always been high grade.
Battery Showdown: OEM Vs Gold Vs Mugen Power 5400mAh
1. Introduction
This thread was originally intended to be a review of the Mugen Power 5400mAh Extended battery for the Galaxy Note. But when I got thinking about it, I knew that the question in everyones mind would be: how does it compare to other
batteries out there? Following on from this, this thread is now going to primarily a Mugen Power review, but also my results from testing them against the two most popular batteries for the note: the OEM Samsung battery and the 3250mAh Gold battery.
1.1 Review: Initial Impressions
Mugen power are a company that sell many types of batteries for a plethora of devices. Their best known, however, for their extended batteries. These extended batteries normally extend out the back of the device so an aftermarket battery
cover is also supplied. In the case of the Galaxy Note (both the N7000 and I717) the extended battery is advertised as being 5400mAh and is supplied with a replacement battery cover/back door with a kickstand for watching movies etc.
When the item arrived it was packaged in a padded brown envelope and within was plastic blister pack that holds the items. Within the blister packaging (that DOESN’T rip your hands apart getting into) is a sheet of paper with some
specs/instructions, the battery cover and the battery itself.
1.2 Review: Hands-On
When you pick up the battery it does not seem overly heavy, but not so light that you think there is nothing in there – this bodes well so far! When inspecting the battery there are no sharp edges, no manufacturing defects and no
problematic areas – it looks like a well made battery. My engineering mind wondered how the item was put together and a light press at the side of the battery gave an insight into how it was manufactured: the battery is actually made of
two “batteries” or cells soldered together to make one unit. Immediately I thought that may pose problems with things like capacity estimates considering the chip would be reading from both cells, but from using the battery it seems very
stable and this is not a problem. (Some users have reported that with aftermarket batteries, their screen flickers when the battery is in the 0-2% range – I didn’t get this with the Mugen battery)
The battery cover is quite an interesting item as in my minds eye I thought it would be thin like the stock Samsung one but with some reinforcement fins for structure. But when you pick up the battery cover the plastic is quite thick and
it feels rather solid in hand. It felt so rigid that I had doubts whether it would bend to clip into the notes back recess points – but it clips in very solidly. It should be mentioned that the top of the battery cover goes in first and
then the rest just pop in, unlike the stock battery cover. Also, the back is textured with little dots, much more prominent than on the stock battery cover, giving you extra grip.
On a side note, the thickness added to the back means that your camera lens cant get scratched.
One feature that I had no expectation of using was the kickstand. This allows the device to sit in landscape mode like a little picture frame. After using the kickstand a few times, I must conclude that it is really a fantastic addition
to the phone! The kickstand is very easy to erect, just push beyond the pivot point and it pops right out ready for you to prop your device up with – it really is very useful!
There are a few issues with the battery door that I would like to mention. Firstly, the kickstand is a great idea, but the material it is made from feels cheap. Also, I would want it to “snap” into place so that it is either hugging the
phone or properly extended – there have been many times where it is just waving there – perhaps a small magnet would hold it in place more securely?
Secondly, the speakerphone doesn’t sound good at all. I appreciate that Mugen cant really do anything to fix this but the speaker is still on the back of the phone and so the sound it puts out echoes inside the battery housing. It isn’t
that bad, but it is noticeable and something I thought I should mention.
1.3 Review: The Bulk
A lot of people are hesitant to try these extended batteries because they think that their lovely slim device will immediately become an ugly, obese device that looks like it came from the 1990’s. Well… that is only partly true. Yes, the
devices thickness does increase quite dramatically but, and this is a big “but”: the device gets much easier to hold! The rounded back and textured surface mean that the phone is transformed from a credit-card to something much more
comfortable to hold to your ear. With the stock battery I have always feared the phone slipping out of my hand, but not with this.
2.0 Testing
The testing portion of the review/showdown will be comparing the estimated mAh reading I got from an app: “Battery Monitor Widget Pro”. The way I did the testing was to reset the battery stats, and use the phone from 100% to 1% by
watching BBC’s Iplayer continuously. Then I would connect the device to the official Samsung charger that came with my device (1000mA output) and charge it up to 100% and then rerun the Iplayer test. Mugen recommend that their battery
should be cycled (100->0->100) a few times to make the battery perform to its rating. With all the batteries, I tested them for several days with continuous cycling so that the app can get accurate readings.
2.1 Results
These are the “estimated” battery statistics from “Battery Monitor Widget Pro”
This shows some interesting data. I am not saying that this app is giving you an absolute measurement of the capacity of the battery. The way I am using the “estimated” capacity is to use it in a comparison. I have assumed that the OEM
Samsung battery is 2500mAh. This may or may not be true but it is safer to assume that the Samsung batteries will be made to a tighter tolerance with higher quality control. With that, what I have done is adjusted the estimates with the
assumption that the OEM battery is 2500mAh and therefore the other batteries have a reduced inaccuracy.
One thing to note is that all the batteries has a similar Max/Min voltage range which is what may cause the screen flickering at low battery to occur. Thankfully the Mugen battery is within the range of the OEM battery which means this shouldn’t occur.
3.0 Conclusion
Throughout this review I have comparing the good with the bad about the Mugen Power 5400mAh battery and now is the time to make my final comparison:
Pros:
- Fantastic battery life!
- Nice rounded back over
- Good grip texture
- Camera indentation to avoid scratches
- Kickstand
- Solid construction
- Reputable warranty
- Easy s-pen removal
Cons:
- Doubles the thickness of the device
- Speakphone quality is compromised
- Plastickly feeling battery cover and kickstand
- Slightly lower capacity than rated (5076mAh vs 5400mAh)
Now the killer question is: after using this battery for a week, is it worth it?
In my honest opinion, I would buy the Mugen Power 5400mAh battery. Yes, it is worth it. I feel that the product is fantastic and would be well suited to someone who does a lot of travelling, a long commute on the train, a lot of phone
calls throughout the day. I would seriously recommend it to anyone who is going to go on holiday/vacation and is going to be using their device for the duration of the flight.
I have given it a lot of thought and I think that for the USD98.95 that they are asking, they could make the product more appealing by upgrading the battery to something that fills the whole housing and making the battery cover more
luxurious – a little brushed aluminium, a few magnets to gold the kickstand in place, etc.
I would rate this product as 4/5. I think it is perfect for anyone who is going to embark on a long journey and needs their device to last a lot longer than the stock battery. If Mugen were to implement some changes to make this better in terms of value for money – I would give it 5/5.
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4.0 Mugen suggestion
This section of the review is my personal opinions on what an extended battery should be and has no impact on the current product. This is purely my pie-in-the-sky ideas and put in for completeness alone:
When I was fitting the battery and the battery cover, I was surprised at how much empty space there was within the battery cover that wasn’t filled by the battery. And we already know that the battery is comprised of two sections, one
that fits in the stock battery section and the extra bit that sticks out the back. So… is it not possible to make the secondary battery (the second cell that sits within the battery housing) larger to fit the battery cover better?
It might sound a bit confusing, but I got wondering whether it would be possible for Mugen to make the battery fill the extra space within the housing. We are sacrificing the looks and compactness of our device so why not make the
battery is large as can be?
Being the engineer that I am, I thought id mock something up on Autocad. I did a little measuring and it seemed as though the secondary battery could be elongated by 29mm, 20mm at the top and 9mm at the bottom.
Manufacturing would comprise of two different sized cells, which are then glued and packed together with trace wires soldering the cells together. It would mean that the battery fills up all the available space within the housing. Yes,
it would make it slightly heavier, but at USD98.95 consumers expect an all-singing-all-dancing product.
The results from the quick mockup resulted in a battery that Mugen Power could manufacture which they could rate at 6500mAh. This would fit in the current battery housing with no modification. I must admit that I know NOTHING about the
working of a battery and this is just an idea that I had that I thought I would present with the review.
5.0 Closing thoughts
When reviewing all of these batteries, it seemed to me that you can basically make a battery of any shape and so why not make a battery that was the whole back of the phone? You could even put a plastic/ rubber packing on it for better
grip/protection and make the product really incredible!
The stock battery shape would still go into the device as before with the same contacts, but then beyond that, what is stopping you? The only thing that you must account for is the camera, the s-pen and the speakerphone. So, I mocked
something up in Autocad as a pie-in-the-sky idea that I thought was cool. The thickness of the back part is the same as the stock OEM battery with the device.
Very detailed review and well put together review! Do you have screen shots of time use for the batteries? I'm interested in the gold, since it doesn't require a extended back.
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Now I want one
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Great write up! Will take your word for it if I ever decide to get an extended battery. One of the best battery reviews Ive read yet.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
erick161 said:
Very detailed review and well put together review! Do you have screen shots of time use for the batteries? I'm interested in the gold, since it doesn't require a extended back.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using XDA
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i dont but if i ever rerun the tests, bull be sure to get these too
s1mpd1ddy said:
Now I want one
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SKyRocKeting727 said:
Great write up! Will take your word for it if I ever decide to get an extended battery. One of the best battery reviews Ive read yet.
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thank you, much appreciated
if i remember rightly mugen have free worldwide shipping at the moment
excellent review. i enjoy it very much.
i learn something again in the android communities, unlike the "other side".
by the way, do you have and good way to calibrated the battery or any good apps to do it.?
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excellent review. i enjoy it very much.
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thank you - much appreciated
i dont know of any battery calibration apps - do you mean ones that will help you power cycle the device?
Are battery covers 100% interchangeable with the International note? The pictures posted here are of the Int. Version. I understand the product is advertised for both versions, but i want to make sure it's not a "it's not perfect....but it works" fit (in general terms...not specific to this product.)
Amazing work, amazing write-up. The best battery review i've seen yet.
Edit: P.S. The only thing thats keeping me from jumping through your screen and dancing is the lack of runtime data. Maybe MaH ratings are good for engineers. But runtime data is much easier to interpret. Because from the chart above, it seems that the battery is rated at 200% the capacity of the OEM battery, yet is only provides a certain percentage of that expected capacity. Is this what your chart is explaining? Sorry. It's late.
My first 7 days with Mugen 5400 mAH
Have had my Mugen 5400 mAH extended battery for one full week. Here is what I think and know, I do not have that ugly hump back battery cover, have full form hard plastic cover with NFC antenna and kickstand. Which by the way the kickstand proved it’s worth in first 24 hours of ownership.
It took 26 hours from 100% charge to 10% remaining with screen at 100%, either on wifi or 4G, with pretty much all the back ground stuff enable. I surfed, gamed, watched two complete movies and 3 episodes of Battlestar Galactica (wife was doing her scrap booking "fun" with her girlfriends and I had access to free wireless), checking e-mail, fiddle farting around trying to get it down to 10% faster. Charges to 100% fairly quickly, I plug it into 110 v around 2230'ish and has full charge when I wake up at 0600.
Was it a bit on the high side of cost??? Yes, but don't regret it at all, has been great not looking for an outlet every where I go, not rushing to connect to my charger (actually have not use my charger since I installed extended battery) and having to carry a plug and USB cord with me every time I leave the house.
Highly recommend.
Jamesyboy said:
Are battery covers 100% interchangeable with the International note? The pictures posted here are of the Int. Version. I understand the product is advertised for both versions, but i want to make sure it's not a "it's not perfect....but it works" fit (in general terms...not specific to this product.)
There are two versions of this battery, one for the N7000 and one for the I717 - i have updated the OP with the link for the I717 so you buy the correct one
Amazing work, amazing write-up. The best battery review i've seen yet.
Im glad to be of service
Edit: P.S. The only thing thats keeping me from jumping through your screen and dancing is the lack of runtime data. Maybe MaH ratings are good for engineers. But runtime data is much easier to interpret. Because from the chart above, it seems that the battery is rated at 200% the capacity of the OEM battery, yet is only provides a certain percentage of that expected capacity. Is this what your chart is explaining? Sorry. It's late.
The reason i didnt do runtime data was that there is no standard test - mah is a much more scientific way to work out capacities - i can tell you though that on screen-full-brightness-test it surpassed 6 hours
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Have had my Mugen 5400 mAH extended battery for one full week. Here is what I think and know, I do not have that ugly hump back battery cover, have full form hard plastic cover with NFC antenna and kickstand. Which by the way the kickstand proved it’s worth in first 24 hours of ownership.
i agree, the kickstand is a fantastic addition
It took 26 hours from 100% charge to 10% remaining with screen at 100%, either on wifi or 4G, with pretty much all the back ground stuff enable. I surfed, gamed, watched two complete movies and 3 episodes of Battlestar Galactica (wife was doing her scrap booking "fun" with her girlfriends and I had access to free wireless), checking e-mail, fiddle farting around trying to get it down to 10% faster. Charges to 100% fairly quickly, I plug it into 110 v around 2230'ish and has full charge when I wake up at 0600.
Was it a bit on the high side of cost??? Yes, but don't regret it at all, has been great not looking for an outlet every where I go, not rushing to connect to my charger (actually have not use my charger since I installed extended battery) and having to carry a plug and USB cord with me every time I leave the house.
Highly recommend.
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I agree, a very worthwhile product
feel free to ask any questions about the product guys
My 5400 mAh Mugen battery arrived this afternoon. The order was placed on the evening of June 4, so it took a week for it to arrive in Toronto. Pretty good for free shipping from Hong Kong!
I'm just charging it up now, so nothing to report on so far. I will be on the road tomorrow, so I'll try running 4G+GPS+BT with Google Navigation while in the car (about 70 minutes travel time total), and Ethernet while on-site with a client. Screen brightness will be at 100% the whole time. If I can get through an entire day without the battery dying, I'll be very impressed.
I really like the much grippier, textured back. No need for me to take photos of how it looks, since panyan did such a great job. Kudos to Mugen for using packaging that is EASY to open! No knives or scissors or personal injury involved here. Just snap the two halves apart, and out pops the battery and cover!
^im glad your happy
ill be interested to see a screenshot of your battery usage after that epic trip
Great review, but at $100 dollars, the price seems too steep for just a battery... $50 probably would have been more reasonable
Izzue said:
Great review, but at $100 dollars, the price seems too steep for just a battery... $50 probably would have been more reasonable
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at first this was my thought too, but when i thought more about it:
we have all paid a great deal of money for our devices and when theyre out of battery, they are as good as useless... this product keeps our device running much longer and therefore is worth more than "just a battery" - if you see what i mean
Izzue said:
Great review, but at $100 dollars, the price seems too steep for just a battery... $50 probably would have been more reasonable
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$100 is on the expensive end of the spectrum, but it is reasonable considering the capacity, the convenience, the special back cover, the cost of the 2650 mAh battery, and the likely lower sales volume of the 5400 mAh part. If Mugen had been contracted by Samsung to produce a million units per month, they might sell it for $75 each... but then Samsung would retail it for $100 anyway.
You could buy two of the 2650 mAh batteries for $94. For an extra $5, you get just as much capacity, and a bonus kickstand cover with a better grip surface. Two batteries means I have to shut down the phone, pry off the cover, swap the battery, snap the cover back on, and reboot the phone. The convenience of simply having it all in one battery is worth it to me.
^ agreed
just so you know guys - im on its 20th cycle and it is still giving me the same screen on time
really good quality battery
Just ordered one, can't wait!!
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i3allistic said:
Just ordered one, can't wait!!
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Thanks for the 7% discount code! Ordered one
and thanks Panyan for the great review!
Hey, I noticed the battery life not living up to what it used to be when awake, and looked up how to take apart the back to replace the battery, and it seems simple enough. Remove bottom back then screws, so I was wanted to know if I could buy a better battery than the original since I'm replacing it anyway? Any guidance would be great!
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
There aren't any companies that make them for this device. Since the battery isn't removable, they wouldn't be selling any. Well, except to people like you who are going to disassemble the phone. That said, the standard extended battery wouldn't work, because then you wouldn't be able to reassemble the phone. It would have to be the exact same size, like what Anker offers for the Evo 3D. Sorry though, going back to a factory battery is going to be your only option here
I would like to have this option as well! It could very well be that it just isn't possible to pack anymore mah in the same footprint as the factory battery. I know this is the case with the Note 2. If you want more mah with the Note 2, the only option is to buy a battery that is larger than stock and go with a thicker battery door. There are some batteries on ebay that claim to have more mah in a battery that's the same size as factory, but people have found that this isn't true and that the battery actually has less mah than the factory battery does! Now Anker does offer a Note 2 battery that's listed as having the same mah as stock, but many people have said that it will last a couple hours longer! If Anker offered a Evo LTE battery, then I would definitely try it out! I have multiple Anker batteries for my Evo 3D, and have had nothing but good experiences with them!! I'm pretty sure Anker was the brand I had for my OG Evo as well, but don't remember for certain. I've got Anker batteries on order for my Note 2, so I'll find out soon if Anker will impress me yet again. Sorry I couldn't give you any good news...
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Check out the Seidio Innocell Plus Power case for the EVO LTE. It sells for $69.99 on Amazon and it might be just what you're looking for.
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FinZ28 said:
Check out the Seidio Innocell Plus Power case for the EVO LTE. It sells for $69.99 on Amazon and it might be just what you're looking for.
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The reviews for it are very hit and miss if I remember correctly
Screw EVERY backup battery you all have in mind and just get an ANKER 13300maH battery. Of course it loses about 30% on conversion, so it will rate around 9500 or whatever, but it is enough to FULLY charge my EVO 4G LTE about 3-4 times from being dead. The only bad thing I have to report about it is that I didn't find it sooner, but other than that it's been flawless in keeping me happy. I wish the carrying case was a bit bigger so cramming the extra bits into it wouldn't be such a challenge, but other than that I love it. And one thing I didn't mention is you can find them at an extremely reasonable rate on Amazon or ebay. Just be sure to order from the company directly so you don't get a fake one.