[General Rant] How quickly some forget... - HTC EVO 3D

This is in the general section, so I think I'm safe posting this, heh.
I'm going to start by saying this: I love my E3D. I left TMo before getting the Sensation to come back to Sprint for the Evo 3D. Locked bootloader or no, broken promises or no, this is the BADDEST device I've ever had my hands on!
That being said, yes, I'm more than a tad honked off @ HTC for tossing us BS/No answers for the bootloader unlocking issue, and have sent my emails to them in kind. I've been watching the Facebook/Twitter/Official Web sites since these shenanigans started, and what I see shocks me... People literally THREATENING HTC with things ranging from something as severe as hacking the company, to as minor as just returning their phones.
The worst I see though, are the threats to go with the Galaxy S2.
How quickly some forget the crap that Samsung was party to in regards to the Moment, the Epic/Vibrant/Captivate/Fascinate, and the Intercept. Did we all just blank out that time in our collective consciousness, the crap that was packaged as a Samsung device? How terrible they performed? How they kept promising phantom updates that would not show up at all or materialize, brick phones, then be pulled off the market? How they liked to fall apart and not work? The only Samsung device worth its salt, that I can see, is the Nexus S - and that's mostly because it was pure Google software.
Sure, the GS2 may have killer specs that make our Evo 3D's look like yesterday's garbage, but I've not once had ANY issue with my HTC devices from WM6 to Android - but I've had nothing but a terrible history with Sammy, and I know I'm not the only one.
So... IJS. My 2 cents on the whole issue - I hope it was coherent enough to make Sense (lolz)... pain killers for the back are a b****.
Edit: I just read the post with the HTC response that they WILL unlock the bootloader, so that's at least a step in the right direction..
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I didn't even know about the complaining on Facebook until I read this post...it all seems ridiculous. They announced they would unlock the bootloader probably well after the 3D went into final production. The update is coming, I have no doubt in my mind that it will.
That being said, however, one post kinda made me laugh a little: "Give us s-off or you can f-off."

I'm hoping every thread on the 1st page of the Evo 3d general forums is filled with complaining about bootloader's. Seems to be the trend.

Bigirish said:
Sure, the GS2 may have killer specs that make our Evo 3D's look like yesterday's garbage
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What might that be? Both have 1.2 ghz dual core cpus, and 1gb ram. Evo has QHD display vs Super Amoled Plus, 8mp with 1080p video vs 3D capture, Extra speed cuz of the lighter interface vs the awesomeness of Sense etc. I see them as very very close in specs and comparible in almost everything, its just which feature set interests you the most
Personally im head over heels happy with the E3D and i think i can wait a bit till the bootloader is unlocked
s3nT Fr0m aN0tH3r dIm3nSi0n (EVO 3D)

dcyouknow said:
I didn't even know about the complaining on Facebook until I read this post...it all seems ridiculous. They announced they would unlock the bootloader probably well after the 3D went into final production. The update is coming, I have no doubt in my mind that it will.
That being said, however, one post kinda made me laugh a little: "Give us s-off or you can f-off."
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That did crack me up.
The complaining got them to step up and commit to unlock in the first place. That HTC page is going to be a warzone until they start systematically issuing the OTAs that will unlock these devices we paid for.
...and so far as the threats of buying Samsung, while I agree with you (except that the NexusS is somehow any better...same weak radios, my main concern), consumers should 'vote with their wallet' more often. Then companies might be a little more cautious about trying bull**** like this. Even if they provide a technically better product if it is not provided on terms you agree with (locked) or worse yet the company lies to you about future functionality...well...vote with your wallet. That's a language they'll understand.

mike21pr said:
What might that be? Both have 1.2 ghz dual core cpus, and 1gb ram. Evo has QHD display vs Super Amoled Plus, 8mp with 1080p video vs 3D capture, Extra speed cuz of the lighter interface vs the awesomeness of Sense etc. I see them as very very close in specs and comparible in almost everything, its just which feature set interests you the most
Personally im head over heels happy with the E3D and i think i can wait a bit till the bootloader is unlocked
s3nT Fr0m aN0tH3r dIm3nSi0n (EVO 3D)
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I completely agree with you, and I stay away from everything Sammy usually, so I didn't fully realize how close the devices are hardware-wise.
I'm digging my 3d capability, and I think I've almost got it dialed-in.

All I know is I compared my EVO 3d to my (rich) buddies unlocked galaxy s2. I prefer the EVO 3d screen, and this one is ever bit as fast. No questions....all you got to do is turn off the animations in display settings and the speed is instantaneous since it is bypassing the fading animation. Slap adw launcher and the phone is as fast as a phone can possibly be.
All things compared, camera as well, the EVO 3d excelled along side the gs2. My buddy....he is contemplating switching to sprint just for this phone.
All in all the gs2 appears fast because the touchwiz launcher is a barebone launcher....only cosmetic differences from vanilla...
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Ive had SGS2 for two weeks. 3D actually is faster to me. Consistantly.
But camera? Nope. Not really close unfortunately.
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All I know is I compared my EVO 3d to my (rich) buddies unlocked galaxy s2. I prefer the EVO 3d screen, and this one is ever bit as fast. No questions....all you got to do is turn off the animations in display settings and the speed is instantaneous since it is bypassing the fading animation. Slap adw launcher and the phone is as fast as a phone can possibly be.
All things compared, camera as well, the EVO 3d excelled along side the gs2. My buddy....he is contemplating switching to sprint just for this phone.
All in all the gs2 appears fast because the touchwiz launcher is a barebone launcher....only cosmetic differences from vanilla...
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Really? Well I'm no camera expert. In the lab, which is all flourescent lighting....EVO 3d did spectacular.
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Related

A Word to the Undecided/Confused

For those not interested in a good read, here is the condensed version
According to the opinion of many fellow Android members,
Hero > Moment
Evo > Epic
E3D ? SSG2
I think: E3D > SSG2
Trust history, not reviews focused on one single "bonus" feature provided by a company.
For those who do want to kill time
Well folks, as most of you have witnessed, we the customers of Sprint have once again found ourselves in a predicament. On one hand, we have the brand new HTC Evo 3d and on the other we have the SSGS2/Photon/non-E3D phone. And as it stands, people have been negatively criticizing the E3D for a multitude of reasons, primarily its 3D effect. As long winded as this introduction is, there is a point to it. For the past couple years now we have faced a decision of whether or not to get an HTC device or a Sammy device. Now granted the GS2 isn't released or announced, but we know its coming. What I am trying to say is that we are running the same race we have before despite the fact that history has shown us the right path twice.
Q4 2009
We have the HTC Hero and the Samsung Moment
Now the Hero is running on a 528mhz processor as old as the G1 itself while the sammy moment is running an 800mhz processor. The Hero has a TFT-LCD display with 65k colors, while the moment has an AMOLED display with 16 million colors.
Reading off this spec sheet, the moment is clearly the winner, BUT, real world testing proved otherwise, and the majority of people here would agree that the Hero was superior to the Moment. All hail HTC right? Maybe not.....
Q2/Q3 2010
The newly released HTC EVO, first 4G phone in the world is pitted against the Sammy Moment's younger and vengeful sibling.
The Evo is running on a 1ghz Snapdragon processor that is unfortunately "old" at this point being built off as 65nm process while the new Epic is touting a 1ghz Hummingbird SOC with a 45nm process. (For the record, i'm no expert but the 45nm > 65nm for battery drain and what not) Coupled with a new and improved SuperAMOLED display, the time has come for sammy to take the cake! Or has it? As real world testing progressed, the evo turned out to be the phone to beat, and the Epic had to be satisfied with filling the qwerty hardware keyboard niche.
But now, we face a new dilemma
Q2-Q? 2011
We have the HTC EVO 3D, a phone built by HTC. Despite past trends, HTC has built this phone with bleeding edge technology including a dual core 1.2ghz processor, 1gb of ram, a 950x540 SLCD display and the latest version of sense. But, the SSG2 (Within for Sprint) has come out with a newly designed SuperAMOLED+ display which uses the good old RBG color pattern along with the latest version of TouchWiz and a new processor built off a cortex A9 design. This battle between superphones has yet to be decided, but if we take a look at history, we see that HTC has tended to beat sammy with outdated hardware.
EDIT: The SSG2 does 1080p recording and the E3D only does 720p (big for some people, didn't want to omit that)
Past this point is bais towards HTC, and non-HTC affiliates/people who might feel inclined to troll should stop
So in conclusion, please don't read the SSG2 spec sheet and jizz all over it because it looks amazing. Trust history and go with the phone maker who has unanimously come out on top. While benchmarks are nice little scores to compare, they are just that, scores to compare. In terms of real world performance, both of the HTC phones provided a better overall experience for me.
Agreed iv loved the 3 HTC phones iv had
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jxr94 said:
For those not interested in a good read, here is the condensed version
According to the opinion of many fellow Android members,
Hero > Moment
Evo > Epic
E3D ? SSG2
I think: E3D > SSG2
Trust history, not reviews focused on one single "bonus" feature provided by a company.
For those who do want to kill time
Well folks, as most of you have witnessed, we the customers of Sprint have once again found ourselves in a predicament. On one hand, we have the brand new HTC Evo 3d and on the other we have the SSGS2/Photon/non-E3D phone. And as it stands, people have been negatively criticizing the E3D for a multitude of reasons, primarily its 3D effect. As long winded as this introduction is, there is a point to it. For the past couple years now we have faced a decision of whether or not to get an HTC device or a Sammy device. Now granted the GS2 isn't released or announced, but we know its coming. What I am trying to say is that we are running the same race we have before despite the fact that history has shown us the right path twice.
Q4 2009
We have the HTC Hero and the Samsung Moment
Now the Hero is running on a 528mhz processor as old as the G1 itself while the sammy moment is running an 800mhz processor. The Hero has a TFT-LCD display with 65k colors, while the moment has an AMOLED display with 16 million colors.
Reading off this spec sheet, the moment is clearly the winner, BUT, real world testing proved otherwise, and the majority of people here would agree that the Hero was superior to the Moment. All hail HTC right? Maybe not.....
Q2/Q3 2010
The newly released HTC EVO, first 4G phone in the world is pitted against the Sammy Moment's younger and vengeful sibling.
The Evo is running on a 1ghz Snapdragon processor that is unfortunately "old" at this point being built off as 65nm process while the new Epic is touting a 1ghz Hummingbird SOC with a 45nm process. (For the record, i'm no expert but the 45nm > 65nm for battery drain and what not) Coupled with a new and improved SuperAMOLED display, the time has come for sammy to take the cake! Or has it? As real world testing progressed, the evo turned out to be the phone to beat, and the Epic had to be satisfied with filling the qwerty hardware keyboard niche.
But now, we face a new dilemma
Q2-Q? 2011
We have the HTC EVO 3D, a phone built by HTC. Despite past trends, HTC has built this phone with bleeding edge technology including a dual core 1.2ghz processor, 1gb of ram, a 950x540 SLCD display and the latest version of sense. But, the SSG2 (Within for Sprint) has come out with a newly designed SuperAMOLED+ display which uses the good old RBG color pattern along with the latest version of TouchWiz and a new processor built off a cortex A9 design. This battle between superphones has yet to be decided, but if we take a look at history, we see that HTC has tended to beat sammy with outdated hardware.
Past this point is bais towards HTC, and non-HTC affiliates/people who might feel inclined to troll should stop
So in conclusion, please don't read the SSG2 spec sheet and jizz all over it because it looks amazing. Trust history and go with the phone maker who has unanimously come out on top. While benchmarks are nice little scores to compare, they are just that, scores to compare. In terms of real world performance, both of the HTC phones provided a better overall experience for me.
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ahh such a breath of fresh air from all the trolls. . . lol yes and i am trusting HTC history thats why I am picking mine up next week
Well thought out post. I think the Evo 3D will be the phone to beat this summer. I think the GS2's screen, camera, and battery life will be superior. However, I think the Evo 3D will performance-wise be on par, it will get faster official updates from HTC/Sprint (just look at how fast the Evo got official updates to Froyo and Gingerbread), and it will have better dev support.
I too have loved my HTC devices.
Someone had some time on their hands, good write up though.
The point i have been.making all year when.people want to talk about specs, you just put in a nice detailed post. Thanks.
Good to rehash the past. The Hero has been amazing for what little went into it and while I have never owned a Evo, it is still running with the best of them. Can't imagine that the Evo3d will be any different. Top notch specs and a hope of full root. Loving the thought of running CyanogenMod on this thing or a trimmed down Sense 3.0/
i think gingerbread has messed up sprints signal
something i should point out: this is the first year that HTC's main competitor by Sammy drops (or it seems) to drop the keyboard. So its two slate phones duking it out, and also the Galaxy S line built up a name for itself as well
Not trolling or anything, but this year it should be that much more interesting since things balance out better
The Galaxy S 2 is a much sexier phone, and probably even nicer when it comes down to the hardware but for those of us that love AOSP, its a deal breaker on the Sammy.
mike21pr said:
something i should point out: this is the first year that HTC's main competitor by Sammy drops (or it seems) to drop the keyboard. So its two slate phones duking it out, and also the Galaxy S line built up a name for itself as well
Not trolling or anything, but this year it should be that much more interesting since things balance out better
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Good point! It would seem hardware keyboards are almost obselete at this point.
mbh87 said:
The Galaxy S 2 is a much sexier phone, and probably even nicer when it comes down to the hardware but for those of us that love AOSP, its a deal breaker on the Sammy.
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not quite bro.
Sammy personally sent the CM7 development team a free GS2 for them to work their magic. If anyone gets Cyanogen, its the GS2 (as weird as it is to say it)
but HTC is a sure thing also when the bootloader is unlocked
Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
lzlaxhacker said:
Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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^^^ this
i dunno why so many people want it gone...
IMHO we should work on making even better and faster while maintaining the beauty that is Sense!!! but thats just me
AOSP while fast as is, is bland
lzlaxhacker said:
Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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we all know e3d will have a bootloader unlocked at some point, so will sammy.
wonder about having a bootloader unlocked is e3d owners can pick either to have a sense rom or aosp. With a sammy you have a choice with touchwiz or aosp. Aosp lovers can use either phone but people who prefer a skinned version of android the choice isn't as easy.
I admit I'm an HTC fanboy. I just will not buy a gs2 and half the reason is the fact that Samsung makes it and not HTC. With that said I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of getting one nor if someone asked me my opinion on it I wouldn't bash it. Truth is the phone is a beast. The differences people are arguing are really so small and people are acting like its the difference between a Hero and an Evo.
OMG my phone can open up this game 0.25 seconds faster than yours!!!!!
Seriously unless you did a side by side test does it matter which phone?
Hopefully dual booting will gget figured out soon. CM7 + Sense 3.0 would be awesome.
jessejames111981 said:
I admit I'm an HTC fanboy. I just will not buy a gs2 and half the reason is the fact that Samsung makes it and not HTC. With that said I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of getting one nor if someone asked me my opinion on it I wouldn't bash it. Truth is the phone is a beast. The differences people are arguing are really so small and people are acting like its the difference between a Hero and an Evo.
OMG my phone can open up this game 0.25 seconds faster than yours!!!!!
Seriously unless you did a side by side test does it matter which phone?
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My words exactly
Thank you, OP! Great post! The Moment really sucked some serious ass
jxr94 said:
Hopefully dual booting will gget figured out soon. CM7 + Sense 3.0 would be awesome.
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This my friend would be AWESOME!!!!

Want to buy the Evo3d...maybe. plz help.

Well long time no see XDA Dev's!
i was here ages ago when i had the touch diamond phone, wich is garbage
im now in posession of a iphone 4, but in 1 month i can choose a new phone.
So my eyes are all focussed on the HTC Evo 3d, but also on the samsung 3d phone.
dont think i didnt do my research. i spend 4 hours today watching and seeing reviews and battle's of the phones.
What ive learned, and i really would like your opinion of this list to see if its correct or lies...(and ive never touched one of the phones ever)
-The evo3d does not have alot of depth? (how is it compared to the 3ds?)
-The evo3d falls behind in benchmarks and games compared to the optimus 3d?
so what do you think about this?
Secondly, i really do like the design of the evo3d. the design of the optimus is a bit crappy IMO.
And maybe one of you guys know wich phone will have smoother browsing and games playing?(planning on buying some 3d games.)
and the specs online...
some say the evo has 4gb of internal memory...other say its 1gb.
some say it can only make 2MP 3d pictures. others say 5MP. (and if they are 2mp cant it be hacked?)
and finally ive read that the optimus 3d does NOT has multitouch while the evo has...is that true?
and is it possible to rip the 3d menu of the optimus and put it on the evo3d? that would probaly help me in making a purchase descision, lol!
And are the browsers, menu's ect smooth? because i come from a iphone...and iphone is 100% smoothness. no lag whatsoever.
Thanks for your time! i will also make this topic on the optimus3d side...so i will learn as much as possible
borgqueenx said:
Well long time no see XDA Dev's!
i was here ages ago when i had the touch diamond phone, wich is garbage
im now in posession of a iphone 4, but in 1 month i can choose a new phone.
So my eyes are all focussed on the HTC Evo 3d, but also on the samsung 3d phone.
dont think i didnt do my research. i spend 4 hours today watching and seeing reviews and battle's of the phones.
What ive learned, and i really would like your opinion of this list to see if its correct or lies...(and ive never touched one of the phones ever)
-The evo3d does not have alot of depth? (how is it compared to the 3ds?)
-The evo3d falls behind in benchmarks and games compared to the optimus 3d?
so what do you think about this?
Secondly, i really do like the design of the evo3d. the design of the optimus is a bit crappy IMO.
And maybe one of you guys know wich phone will have smoother browsing and games playing?(planning on buying some 3d games.)
and the specs online...
some say the evo has 4gb of internal memory...other say its 1gb.
some say it can only make 2MP 3d pictures. others say 5MP. (and if they are 2mp cant it be hacked?)
and finally ive read that the optimus 3d does NOT has multitouch while the evo has...is that true?
and is it possible to rip the 3d menu of the optimus and put it on the evo3d? that would probaly help me in making a purchase descision, lol!
And are the browsers, menu's ect smooth? because i come from a iphone...and iphone is 100% smoothness. no lag whatsoever.
Thanks for your time! i will also make this topic on the optimus3d side...so i will learn as much as possible
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The depth is good I think, some pictures/videos better then others. But i think much better then the 3ds. That thing gives me a major headache turning the 3D all the way up. Never had that problem with my phone. I actually enjoy the 3D and hasn't faded away like I thought it would.
It does have 4gb of internal but Sense takes up about 3 of it so we are left with 1, which is still plenty.
I never heard if the 5mp vs 2mp but i haven't noticed. The camera is very nice in both 2D and 3D. And the camera button is actually very nice, I wasn't too exited about it at first but fi d it very useful.
And as for the smoothness, I haven't witnessed any lag at all so far. It's very smooth and I have dominated my buddies iPhone 4 with my 3D several times.
I know a lot of ppl have their complains, and bringing them back, but i can't complain about it. I love this phone and is with out a doubt the best phone I have ever had and used
Sent in 3D fashion
I have play with both phones, and owned a iPhone 4 for a good time, yet the LG phones has higher benckmarks but in reaility doesn't mean much , just to let you know gingerbread update wich is what is the EVO running is no taking advantage on the duel cores yet, been said that i think the EVO 3d is for you, HTC sense does take ablot space but is make for the new user in mind you won't have trouble at all coming from the iPhone , battery life in Android is no as good as the iPhone but the EVO 3D doesn't have a bad battery life tho, keyboard the comes with the 3d is really good multitouch but iphones still better by hair lol, and the browser is really good and matches to the iPhone as well, camera you will miss it, no for nothing.but the sensor on the iPhone 4 is the best one in the states, the screen being bigger you will ask yourself how come apple haven't done this yet, so much better to read and watch videos , and if you like browse the web in your phone you will love it, I think the 3D is a better customer experience and you will have a blast from it, I have some friends the I convince to get some great Android phones and they love it so far, apps are getting much better now that what it was a year ago and they take less space then ios apps do so don't freak out with 1gb of memory you still have a SD card to tansfer your apps too and can upgrade to 32 gb SD card , I hope this helps on your decision
From my EVO 3D
Ruki_Uki said:
The depth is good I think, some pictures/videos better then others. But i think much better then the 3ds. That thing gives me a major headache turning the 3D all the way up. Never had that problem with my phone. I actually enjoy the 3D and hasn't faded away like I thought it would.
It does have 4gb of internal but Sense takes up about 3 of it so we are left with 1, which is still plenty.
I never heard if the 5mp vs 2mp but i haven't noticed. The camera is very nice in both 2D and 3D. And the camera button is actually very nice, I wasn't too exited about it at first but fi d it very useful.
And as for the smoothness, I haven't witnessed any lag at all so far. It's very smooth and I have dominated my buddies iPhone 4 with my 3D several times.
I know a lot of ppl have their complains, and bringing them back, but i can't complain about it. I love this phone and is with out a doubt the best phone I have ever had and used
Sent in 3D fashion
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hmm can you take some photo's and see how many pixels they are so we know the resolution?
if you turn the 3ds all the way up, and look at a 3d game on your evo3d? wich has more depth? ofcource the 3ds got crap resolution, i already know that
Guess it depends on just what it is your looking for in a phone. Being as your coming frome a iPhone 4 I guess it comes down to Android/HTC Sense vs iOS. Because hardware wise you won't see any improvement. Actually it's really a downgrade from the iPhone 4 which has a better screen, better camera, and battery life. Also way more apps and a better gaming experience. Only thing the 3D has over it would be the larger screen and the 3D feature which is gimmicky IMO. The dual core doesn't come into play because Gingerbread nor any Android apps utilize it. Now OS wise I would have to give the edge to Android with it being more open and easier to customize than iOS which is why I love it. Now in the case of the 3D that openness won't be on display until it gets full root/S-Off/unlocked bootloader/custom kernels but that is coming eventually. So I guess you have to decide whether you want to stick with iOS or Android. The 3D while a great phone right now isn't the phone that really shows off what Android can do when compared to iOS. Now when they finally break the shackles that HTC/Sprint put on it and hang around here a little longer, than you will see what Android/3D really has to offer. Then again it looks like Apple stole a bunch of things from Android and put it into the new iOS 5 and from the rumors the iPhone 5 looks to be a beast spec-wise so maybe you should wait around for that to drop.
I have to disagree with a lot of what Klbjr said.
First, lets throw away the iPhone 5 comments. To compare a theoretical phone that isn't even on the market to a phone that actually is doesn't really work.
Second, I've used iPhone 4's before as I support them at a place I work and the speed issues that supposedly Android suffers are a load. A lot of the "lag" that people talk about comes from widgets that have dynamic screens and auto-update from the web/data connection. So there can be hesitation from that. If you make your screens completely static like an iPhone, just about any 1Ghz Android phone will run just as smooth. I know there will be a bunch of knuckleheads that will challenge that statement, but I'm speaking from experience and actual real-world trials and not the view of a fanboy. The Evo 3D can run circles around the iPhone 4 performance wise.
The cameras. Yes, the iPhone's mono-lens camera is better. Apple did it right there and they put in a quality lens. However, the Evo 3D's cameras are pretty decent if you know how to use them and take a few minutes to understand the settings. It seems the "auto" settings cause more problems than not for people.
Now, that being said, if you are going to try to become a professional photographer with your cell phone then by all means, stick with the iPhone. I don't think you will last long in the professional photography world, but that's just my guess.
As far as HTC Sense goes, people tend to love it or hate it. Personally, I really like a lot of the features and the look of Sense. Klbjr obviously hates it. So I would say you should go to a Sprint store and check it out. Make sure you like it first. Play with the features, try the things you are interested in trying, and see what you think after hearing all the feedback and getting some hands on experience.
ExploreMN said:
I have to disagree with a lot of what Klbjr said.
First, lets throw away the iPhone 5 comments. To compare a theoretical phone that isn't even on the market to a phone that actually is doesn't really work.
Second, I've used iPhone 4's before as I support them at a place I work and the speed issues that supposedly Android suffers are a load. A lot of the "lag" that people talk about comes from widgets that have dynamic screens and auto-update from the web/data connection. So there can be hesitation from that. If you make your screens completely static like an iPhone, just about any 1Ghz Android phone will run just as smooth. I know there will be a bunch of knuckleheads that will challenge that statement, but I'm speaking from experience and actual real-world trials and not the view of a fanboy. The Evo 3D can run circles around the iPhone 4 performance wise.
The cameras. Yes, the iPhone's mono-lens camera is better. Apple did it right there and they put in a quality lens. However, the Evo 3D's cameras are pretty decent if you know how to use them and take a few minutes to understand the settings. It seems the "auto" settings cause more problems than not for people.
Now, that being said, if you are going to try to become a professional photographer with your cell phone then by all means, stick with the iPhone. I don't think you will last long in the professional photography world, but that's just my guess.
As far as HTC Sense goes, people tend to love it or hate it. Personally, I really like a lot of the features and the look of Sense. Klbjr obviously hates it. So I would say you should go to a Sprint store and check it out. Make sure you like it first. Play with the features, try the things you are interested in trying, and see what you think after hearing all the feedback and getting some hands on experience.
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What were you reading? Apparently nothing I said! I didn't compare anything to the iPhone 5. My actual words were if you listen to the RUMORS the iPhone 5 looks like a beast spec-wise! All of my comparisons were with his current phone THE IPHONE 4! Never metioned anything about lag because I didn't notice any with the 3D. I speak also from owning and comparing both phones! Now you show me were the 3D runs circles around the iPhone 4. I said they were on par with each other. I'm no fanboy of either phone or OS. If anything I would be accused of being a fanboy of HTC and Android. The 3D was my 8th HTC phone & my 5th Android phone of which 3 were made by HTC. Also I've always been a fan of Sense. Never liked AOSP/CM ROMS. Now to get back to what I actually said and not the BS you said, the iPhone 4 does have a better screen in every aspect, except for slightly larger size & the fact the 3D can view 3D movies/pics. You spoke about the camera so no need to go there & battery life isn't a argurment. I don't care which ROM/kernel you run on any Android phone it still won't give you the battery life that people get with the iPhone 4. The only time I got anywhere close was when using my 3500 Seidio with SBC kernel on my Evo. But none of that is stock. So its not a fair comparison. About the only thing you did get right was telling him to go into a store & try it out as this seems to be his first venture into the world of Android & decide for himself. I prefer Android over iOS for my own reasons, he may have other reasons. I have seen iPhone users come over to Android & love it & vice versa. It's all up to personal preferences. But even being a over a year old, the iPhone 4 is still at the top of the list performance wise when compared to current phones on the market.
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*rolls eyes*
Listen knucklehead, you had your opinion. I said I disagree with it. I was respectful and then you come back with all your anger and hate. I still disagree with what you said and now I think you are a douche on top of it. If you don't like my opinion and views, don't read them.
Not everything has to be a pissing match for your fragile ego...
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What were you reading? Apparently nothing I said! I didn't compare anything to the iPhone 5. My actual words were if you listen to the RUMORS the iPhone 5 looks like a beast spec-wise! All of my comparisons were with his current phone THE IPHONE 4! Never metioned anything about lag because I didn't notice any with the 3D. I speak also from owning and comparing both phones! Now you show me were the 3D runs circles around the iPhone 4. I said they were on par with each other. I'm no fanboy of either phone or OS. If anything I would be accused of being a fanboy of HTC and Android. The 3D was my 8th HTC phone & my 5th Android phone of which 3 were made by HTC. Also I've always been a fan of Sense. Never liked AOSP/CM ROMS. Now to get back to what I actually said and not the BS you said, the iPhone 4 does have a better screen in every aspect, except for slightly larger size & the fact the 3D can view 3D movies/pics. You spoke about the camera so no need to go there & battery life isn't a argurment. I don't care which ROM/kernel you run on any Android phone it still won't give you the battery life that people get with the iPhone 4. The only time I got anywhere close was when using my 3500 Seidio with SBC kernel on my Evo. But none of that is stock. So its not a fair comparison. About the only thing you did get right was telling him to go into a store & try it out as this seems to be his first venture into the world of Android & decide for himself. I prefer Android over iOS for my own reasons, he may have other reasons. I have seen iPhone users come over to Android & love it & vice versa. It's all up to personal preferences. But even being a over a year old, the iPhone 4 is still at the top of the list performance wise when compared to current phones on the market.
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i do like my iphone 4's screen ALOT. before the iphone 4 i had the 3gs wich was huge screen upgrade. but will since apple broke their routine of a new iphone each year at desame time, im looking at android. i didnt purchase to many apps so switching is not hard. but im wondering if the downgrade of the screen is going to be big? i mean i ofcource like my iphone 4's screen vs the 3gs. but the screen of the optimus and evo3d are also still alot better then the 3gs. i also like my ipad2's screen(dpi). if the evo3d and the optimus3d got a fair amount of more dpi i probaly dont really mind the downgrade.
Next the iphone4's camera. yes, i love the quality of colors ect this thing makes. but im a sucker for functionality. 3d photo's man...thats super cool. but i do like quality. if the photo's are somewhere near the iphone 4thats okay already. i just dont want pixelated photo's like the 3ds makes haha.
the thing i really am afraid of is the evo3d getting ****. ive heard alot bad stuff about it even on this forum...returned because of dead pixels, bugs, flaws...i also heard the optimus3d is faster because it has the cortex9 instead of the older cortex8.
Things i like alot about the evo3d is its sense menu...i loved that way back on my touch diamond(although the touch diamond is garbage), its design, its led for notification about email and texts, and ofcource its 3d.
but well everyone says i need to choose the optimus over the evo3d for its 3d screen. i dont really care about the 3d games and menu's right now because maybe the menu of the optimus3d can be ripped out in the future...but else i also believe the markerplace will be slowly filled up with 3d goodies. i want to know the sweet spot of the 3d games...can i use it with accelerometer driving, wont the effect be ****ty when i have 2 thumbs on the screen when playing NOVA...and it seems everyone thinks and says the optimus3d got more depth then the evo3d.
about the optimus3d i like that it seems to be alot faster because its a cortex9...it has 8gb memory build in wich is a nice extra, and well again...the 3d is better. and ofcource the menu...but i hope its going to be ripped sometime so the htc evo3d users can have it as well...
It seems like the comments display the pros of the iPhone over the e3d but not visa versa..ok..the screen on the iPhone is a higher resolution..but the EVO is almost an inch larger amd has 3d capability. The iphone 4 has basically the same chipset as the gs1 and while a good soc it can't hold a candle to the 8660..it just can't..camera..well ill give that to you..but only in lower light situations..I take great pictures in daylight.. e3d has 4G, iPhone can keep dreaming..also unless.your jail broke you will pay for all your music games etc..I have great music apps where u dont pay a dime for any songs. I'm not gonna debate the ios vs android thing..I'm a fan of android obviously..but I don't believe anyone can say that the iphone 4 and e3d are equal in terms of hardware..the power of the dual core will become apparent eventually. All phones have bugs/quirks at launch and they will be ironed out.
Now I have no experience with the LG optimus 3d ..it seems nice but i wouldn't buy an LG phone ..I know benchmarks on the LG seem better but that really isn't a good Indication of user experience and more of an indication of the flaws of said benchmarks. Either way you can't go wrong..like one of the above comments said ,go and play with them and decide for yourself. There is a YouTube video which is a dogfight between the two ..I recommend watching it
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Listen knucklehead, you had your opinion. I said I disagree with it. I was respectful and then you come back with all your anger and hate. I still disagree with what you said and now I think you are a douche on top of it. If you don't like my opinion and views, don't read them.
Not everything has to be a pissing match for your fragile ego...
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I have no anger or hate. It had nothing to do with whether or not you agreed or disagreed. I made my post to help the OP in his decision on whether or not to get the 3D and how I thought it compared to his current phone. But I do hate it when people misread my posts, take what they want from them and then twist it, to come up with their own speculations. Case in point how you said that I compared the 3D to the iPhone 5 which I never did because there is no iPhone 5 yet. All we have are rumors. I compared his iPhone 4 to the 3D. Or how you come to the conclusion that I must hate Sense when that is farthest from the truth and nothing in my post even mentioned or compared Sense. So as you can see it has nothing to do with my ego. The OP can take my advice or yours. Doesn't hurt me one bit, but when you supposedly quote me, quote me correctly and not with your own BS assumptions.
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It seems like the comments display the pros of the iPhone over the e3d but not visa versa..ok..the screen on the iPhone is a higher resolution..but the EVO is almost an inch larger amd has 3d capability. The iphone 4 has basically the same chipset as the gs1 and while a good soc it can't hold a candle to the 8660..it just can't..camera..well ill give that to you..but only in lower light situations..I take great pictures in daylight.. e3d has 4G, iPhone can keep dreaming..also unless.your jail broke you will pay for all your music games etc..I have great music apps where u dont pay a dime for any songs. I'm not gonna debate the ios vs android thing..I'm a fan of android obviously..but I don't believe anyone can say that the iphone 4 and e3d are equal in terms of hardware..the power of the dual core will become apparent eventually. All phones have bugs/quirks at launch and they will be ironed out.
Now I have no experience with the LG optimus 3d ..it seems nice but i wouldn't buy an LG phone ..I know benchmarks on the LG seem better but that really isn't a good Indication of user experience and more of an indication of the flaws of said benchmarks. Either way you can't go wrong..like one of the above comments said ,go and play with them and decide for yourself. There is a YouTube video which is a dogfight between the two ..I recommend watching it
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I also did note that when comparing the screens the 3D had the edge in screen size and the 3D capability. I did forget to mention the 4G capability but it slipped my mind because of my own use of it which is never. I live in a 4G area, right outside Philly. I even have neighbors who have Clear as their ISP but my 4G has always been spotty at best. On the Og Evo & 3D. Plus it is a battery killer so I never use it much. The OP may have better results. Can't really get into the music/app thing because with torrents/newsgroups anyone can get free music/apps. That's not really relative to the phones. The camera on the 3D while being better than the OG Evo and ok for a phone still doesn't come close to the iPhone 4's. You are also correct that right now on paper the 8660 beats the iPhone along with every other phone on the market now, but benchmarks don't count for anything. It's about real world performance and the iPhone 4 is just as quick and responsive as the 3D. Like others have said, the dual core counts for nothing at this point because we don't have anything that actually utilizes it and in most scenarios the iPhone will fair better because it has hardware acceleration something that Google hasn't gotten around to yet.
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I have no anger or hate. It had nothing to do with whether or not you agreed or disagreed. I made my post to help the OP in his decision on whether or not to get the 3D and how I thought it compared to his current phone. But I do hate it when people misread my posts, take what they want from them and then twist it, to come up with their own speculations. Case in point how you said that I compared the 3D to the iPhone 5 which I never did because there is no iPhone 5 yet. All we have are rumors. I compared his iPhone 4 to the 3D. Or how you come to the conclusion that I must hate Sense when that is farthest from the truth and nothing in my post even mentioned or compared Sense. So as you can see it has nothing to do with my ego. The OP can take my advice or yours. Doesn't hurt me one bit, but when you supposedly quote me, quote me correctly and not with your own BS assumptions.
I also did note that when comparing the screens the 3D had the edge in screen size and the 3D capability. I did forget to mention the 4G capability but it slipped my mind because of my own use of it which is never. I live in a 4G area, right outside Philly. I even have neighbors who have Clear as their ISP but my 4G has always been spotty at best. On the Og Evo & 3D. Plus it is a battery killer so I never use it much. The OP may have better results. Can't really get into the music/app thing because with torrents/newsgroups anyone can get free music/apps. That's not really relative to the phones. The camera on the 3D while being better than the OG Evo and ok for a phone still doesn't come close to the iPhone 4's. You are also correct that right now on paper the 8660 beats the iPhone along with every other phone on the market now, but benchmarks don't count for anything. It's about real world performance and the iPhone 4 is just as quick and responsive as the 3D. Like others have said, the dual core counts for nothing at this point because we don't have anything that actually utilizes it and in most scenarios the iPhone will fair better because it has hardware acceleration something that Google hasn't gotten around to yet.
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Fair enough..everyone has a right to their opinion..but i do believe if u put sense 3.0 on the iphone 4 it would struggle and lag just like a lot of phones do..ios is streamlined and simple..if you enjoy that that's great..and if it doesn't change much the new iPhone won't really need extra power..
What about htc sense...can it be ripped and installed on another android phone?
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What about htc sense...can it be ripped and installed on another android phone?
(like the optimus3d)
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If a developer ports a sense like ROM to the phone yes...
3D > iClone
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What about htc sense...can it be ripped and installed on another android phone?
(like the optimus3d)
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Yup but is no a easy task unlike Android that is completely open (since Google releases the code to everyone ) HTC sense is no release (just like ios ) and developers have to guess with code and it won't be as smooth
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Yup but is no a easy task unlike Android that is completely open (since Google releases the code to everyone ) HTC sense is no release (just like ios ) and developers have to guess with code and it won't be as smooth
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Not when HTC sense is now open and provided open source SDK
3D > iClone
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That's actually to male apps and it doesn't give you the base, is an sdk to make apps just like the one for ios the apple provides , cyanogen tweet it about that too
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
Has sense been port/ripped to another non-htc android device before?
Maybe there are alternatives with desame look?
carrier unlocking
hi guys... im sorry if i am asking this question in wrong thread!!!
actually i'm too impressed with htc evo 3d's specifications as well as from the reviews by its users...as this phone is not released all over the world, i'm thinking to buy it online from US...but as the phone is associated with sprint, If i buy this phone would i be able to carrier unlock the phone by updating to custom rom or any other ways ????
thankx...
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hi guys... im sorry if i am asking this question in wrong thread!!!
actually i'm too impressed with htc evo 3d's specifications as well as from the reviews by its users...as this phone is not released all over the world, i'm thinking to buy it online from US...but as the phone is associated with sprint, If i buy this phone would i be able to carrier unlock the phone by updating to custom rom or any other ways ????
thankx...
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Sorry but that would be a no. From my understanding Sprint uses CDMA & no SIM card so you just can't unlock & swap SIMs like you can with GSM phones. I heard they may be releasing a 3D or something similar, to European carriers, as seeing the 3D is supposedly a Sprint exclusive. You could try the Sensation, it is pretty much the same phone just minus the 3D capabilities & 768MB of RAM as opposed to 1GB in the 3D. The only carriers I've ever heard of people being able to port over to Sprint phones were Cricket Wireless & Metro PCS, but they are also US carriers.
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To Photon 4G Or Not?!?

Hello ALL,
What would you all say if you had to get a exchange for another EVO 3D or since I'm within my 30 days change it for the Photon 4G and just pay the restocking fee?
I do want to point out I am have had a Nexus S 4G and now a 3D but I have now had this phone for a week and I'm running into random rebooting more often in the last 2 days ... I love the battery live and don't mind the QHD screen. And maybe some will tell me to wait for the Samsung Galaxy S2 but that won't be out till late September in my opinion ... That's the phone I would rather have but can't so closest phones would be the 3D or the Motorola Photon 4G...
Thanks to anyone that reads or replies ...
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Why would you want a photon, you would be downgrading, the tegra 2 chip is like a year old already and on top of that the bootloader is locked down tight, while ours is on the verge of being unlocked. I thought about the photon too but after some research I found this to be the better phone, and random reboots will be a thing of the past once we can start flashing and get off the sometimes buggy stock.
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Why would you want a photon, you would be downgrading, the tegra 2 chip is like a year old already and on top of that the bootloader is locked down tight, while ours is on the verge of being unlocked. I thought about the photon too but after some research I found this to be the better phone, and random reboots will be a thing of the past once we can start flashing and get off the sometimes buggy stock.
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This right here. The only reason to switch is if you wanted the old HDMI cable to work and a kickstand.
I'm swapping for the photon. I've had too many problems. The 3d is a good phone but htc left a bad taste in my mouth. Just my opinion. PS there was a guy who bought a photon Dev phone early and he gave it great praise. In the end it just comes down to what makes you happy regardless of which processor is in it.
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The battery life is tempting, but that thing looks like a brick.
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I'm swapping for the photon. I've had too many problems. The 3d is a good phone but htc left a bad taste in my mouth. Just my opinion. PS there was a guy who bought a photon Dev phone early and he gave it great praise. In the end it just comes down to what makes you happy regardless of which processor is in it.
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To both you and the OP, I guess the Photon looks good, if you don't want to root and run custom ROMS, then? If you do want to root and ROM, then I'd stick with the 3D. Or, get something you can run til the Samsung Galaxy S2 comes out. But, my husband has the Epic, also Samsung. It has little support for ROMS. He's probably going to switch to my OG Evo, now that I have the 3D. So many more ROMS for the OG Evo, and mine's already rooted...
I am so not a fan of Motorola phones. I think they have the worst design team out of all of the phone manufacturer's and they usually run as good as they look. (like sh!t)
Just watched a video of the Photon. Doesn't look too impressive to me. I noticed that it seemed to have a similar issue to some Samsung phones with the capacitive buttons not being that responsive and the kickstand (to me at least) seems stupid. I have an Evo 4G and never found a use for the kickstand. It was more of a pain in the arse to try and use than anything and it is a far more gimmicky feature than 3D would ever be.
But hey, whatever floats your boat. You might want to start asking for a Photon forum now if they don't already have one.
I had enough of the tegra 2... If you want a 2009( they started rolling out) chip on a 2011 device, more power to you.
I'm getting the photon4g for sure mainly because it's a world phone. Need it for use overseas as I don't wanna keep paying roaming fees. It gets pretty costly. Moreover it really issnt that bad specs wise for a second phone
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It seems everything is coming out half-baked nowadays. The so-called gold standard, iPhone, even comes out half baked. Well it comes without features, that's just it's design, but I mean whatever it has came out troubled.
I went from the Samsung Epic to 3VO. If you think 3VO is half-baked, man, the Epic is worse. Sure you can root it, etc etc, but it was only until recently the DEVs here started fixing what Samsung couldn't, or rather wouldn't.
Personally, remain patient. The lack of patience is what's getting so many people into trouble nowadays :inserting rant: The Photon I bet will have some errors and a lack of an ability to do ROMs I bet.
HTC supports and respects the developing community, Motorola said in a press release "if you want to hack your phone, get an HTC". Basically giving the middle finger to the modders. That alone makes me not want to spen my money towards a company that wont listen to their customers. Plus it has blur...yuck.
Tegra 2 chipsets mite b a lil older but they perform way better den dual core snapdragons 3vo is not a true dual core imo
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What makes it not a dual core? Does it only have half of a second core?
There is no "opinion " it either is a dual core or it isn't.
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I dont get why people are dissing the tegra 2 as if its some terrible chip when it's just as capable as the snapdragon in the 3D.. especially if you play games. Let's not let the fanboyism shade reality here. I'm just sayin...
Yeah I'm still undecided if I want to exchange the 3d for the photon. I guess the only thing holding me back is the uncertainty of ever obtaining root.
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When I get home tonight...I will see if I can find the bench marks for the tegra 2 and the current chip in the EVO 3d. You will see the comparisons and will be suprised the one in the EVO 3d smokes and blows away the tegra 2. Its not even close if I remember...but my memory is going...
I would exchange the Evo 3d for another one. Mine doesn't do any random reboots.
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When I get home tonight...I will see if I can find the bench marks for the tegra 2 and the current chip in the EVO 3d. You will see the comparisons and will be suprised the one in the EVO 3d smokes and blows away the tegra 2. Its not even close if I remember...but my memory is going...
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Last I checked Snapdragon in the Evo 3D scored lower than the original Galaxy S line.
Photon and Evo 3D will both perform very well in games. Tegra 2 is losing it's touch though, just because it's becoming older. It's still good enough to keep up with current technology for at least the next year. And answer me this, is there a single android phone right now that doesn't have a root method? Trust me, the Photon will be rooted. The only problem is whether you'll be able to flash a custom recovery or not.
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Last I checked Snapdragon in the Evo 3D scored lower than the original Galaxy S line.
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When comparing my E3D to my wife's Epic 4G my E3D wins in benchmark testing, though not by as much as would be expected. The hummingbird GPU was and still is pretty amazing and even with all of these dual core newer procesors coming out, it still hangs near the front of the pack.

Why do people hate the Evo 3D???

I see a lot of people hate the Evo 3D .....why? Alot of people are trading them for the Photon and i don't understand y.....
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The reason I keep hearing is the updates. I dunno personally, I got mine on launch day and never did a update. The other thing I suspect is most best buy/radioshack think it dosn't have hdmi out. Mostly I think it is poor salesmen who think the only feature of the phone is the 3d.
It is what it is.... People have their own reasons for not liking the evo 3d just like anything else. You got your evo 3d so just have fun with it.
It's the tech-train playa. People come and go so they can stay on the cutting edge of hardware progression. It was the same when I was with the Hero.
Just wave them goodbye on their journey and enjoy the awesome phone you have in your hand. I know I am!
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Just wave them goodbye on their journey and enjoy the awesome phone you have in your hand. I know I am!
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You and me both!!
But arent the specs on the 3D superior to those on the photon???
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I think its because htc did a terrible job of marketing the evo. For example, the evo3d is to the og evo as the iphone 4s is to the iphone 4. Maybe even a little more if a step up with screen resolution. Htc shouldve used the 3d selling point like apple uses SIRI. People thought the only reason to get the new evo was for the 3d feature. I do love 3d but the first time u see a 3d pic it is taboo and people never gave it that second look. I think they should have went the evo 2 route and when people went to buy it they would be like "it can do 3d also? Wow!" Apple had lines out of their store because they sold a upgraded phone with a bonus cool feature IMO.
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I think its because htc did a terrible job of marketing the evo. For example, the evo3d is to the og evo as the iphone 4s is to the iphone 4. Maybe even a little more if a step up with screen resolution. Htc shouldve used the 3d selling point like apple uses SIRI. People thought the only reason to get the new evo was for the 3d feature. I do love 3d but the first time u see a 3d pic it is taboo and people never gave it that second look. I think they should have went the evo 2 route and when people went to buy it they would be like "it can do 3d also? Wow!" Apple had lines out of their store because they sold a upgraded phone with a bonus cool feature IMO.
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Totally agree!
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Im happy with my Evo.. in my personal opinion the only thing that the phone is missing is sense 3.5...
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i love my evo 3d but another reason would be the lack of content especially when compared to optimus 3d/thrill 4g
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But arent the specs on the 3D superior to those on the photon???
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If that's the case, you wouldn't know it. The problem is, even with the dual core processor, the extra ram, etc, I still see tons of lag throughout the OS, in all apps. HTC should have spent more time tweaking Sense for speed and smoothness. The only place where the 3D really shines over the 4G is when using pinch to zoom in the browser, or in photos. I notice a huge difference there.
As far as working on the user experience, I think Samsung has done a fantastic job with their Touchwiz. Like it, or hate it, the menus are butter smooth, and it's almost impossible to find a spot where their devices lag.
Same with Motorola. I have noticed a little lag when using the photon, but the phone feels better in hand, and their "blur" interface isn't as resource intensive as Sense is.
I really like the 3D, but compared to the Evo 4G, or even other dual core beasts from motorola/samsung/etc, it just isn't the upgrade the 4G users were looking for. I'm hoping the ICS update (I plan on rooting, and installing a vanilla rom) will clear up any lag with the device, and make it run like it should have from the beginning.
Now, I'm going to go nag HTC to streamline sense, to make it run more smoothly.
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If that's the case, you wouldn't know it. The problem is, even with the dual core processor, the extra ram, etc, I still see tons of lag throughout the OS, in all apps. HTC should have spent more time tweaking Sense for speed and smoothness. The only place where the 3D really shines over the 4G is when using pinch to zoom in the browser, or in photos. I notice a huge difference there.
As far as working on the user experience, I think Samsung has done a fantastic job with their Touchwiz. Like it, or hate it, the menus are butter smooth, and it's almost impossible to find a spot where their devices lag.
Same with Motorola. I have noticed a little lag when using the photon, but the phone feels better in hand, and their "blur" interface isn't as resource intensive as Sense is.
I really like the 3D, but compared to the Evo 4G, or even other dual core beasts from motorola/samsung/etc, it just isn't the upgrade the 4G users were looking for. I'm hoping the ICS update (I plan on rooting, and installing a vanilla rom) will clear up any lag with the device, and make it run like it should have from the beginning.
Now, I'm going to go nag HTC to streamline sense, to make it run more smoothly.
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I agree with u on the whole sense pulling to much from that phone making it lag.it suppose to b a beast but yet it doesn't feel near as quick or sharp as let say et4g or photon.I believe that's another reason it gets passed up.n the 3d camera is kool but when it comes down to it u can't share 3d pics with non 3d phones n so it just basically a 5mp camera with a dual core that feels sluggish cause of sense.
So people just overlook its features cause I believe it doesn't feel like the great phone that it is.I hope when they make the new evo they will make it king of the hill with a better optimized sense.
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I dont see where people feel lag on the evo3d. After about a month of using a evo3d, downgrading back to a evo4g or nexus is almost unbearable. As for the photon, that UI feels laggy straight out of the box. As for sense, the real world doesnt like plain android. This is why everyphone has something covering it up. The evo3d is a powerhouse, so is the epic touch. I guess u can say the newer sg2s are to since they are about the same as the 3d.
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Photon's radio (phone, not FM) is much better than E3D's. Where I get 1 bar on 3D, Photon got 4.....that's a MAJOR reason to switch!!!
I never liked the feel of the EVO4g or the low screen resolution. Phone never felt good to me. I love the 3d because of the tall screen and the qhd and fast processor. I kept my hero when I got my 1 year upgrade on sero because I did not like the EVO4g. And I was the first person to get a consumer hero shipped from Sprint
Sense blows, I run viperrom with adw in the foreground and after a while sense turns itself off
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I honestly think it all depends on the phone you had previously. I had a samsung entro, which was just a regular qwerty texting phone. Upgrading to the evo 3d blew my mind. The entro took about 30 mins to boot up, my evo take 20 seconds.
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Photon's radio (phone, not FM) is much better than E3D's. Where I get 1 bar on 3D, Photon got 4.....that's a MAJOR reason to switch!!![/QUOT
True, the photon does have a great radio but bars dont mean anything. My evo4g lokks like it gets better signal than my 3d but i can stream youtube on the 3d and can even gwt a video pic on my 4g.
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I just rolled w/ the Photon for a week and I hated every second of it.
The phone runs stupidly; even w/ the removal of Blur and such; you CANNOT remove all the Moto crap without crippling your phone (see: contact fcs after you try and remove yahoo bullcrap); and the feeling of the phone in hand is pretty lackluster. Along w/ that there are just so many little software issues; glitches in the UI, glitches in the Radios (my phone liked to go into International Roaming at random), too much work to do the simplest tasks (see: using the stock gallery/music apps), etc.
Overall, sense aside, I am MUCH happier with the Evo 3D; too bad about all the hardware issues I've come across (see: 4 Evo 3D exchanges since launch). Hoping this little guy will last me until the next big thing pops out of the water. I was really thinking of hopping over to the ET or the iP4S but there's too many incongruencies w/ my habits of phone use and those devices.
Really, I'm putting my all of my faith in the Devs to step up to the plate and get some fully-working AOSP goodness on this beast.
Also, once ICS (stock) comes out we SHOULD get an upgraded Sense (even 3.5 would be a major upgrade to this bloated-ass 3.0) so I'm hoping that happens sooner rather than later.
tl;dr - People hate this phone because Sense sucks at life and because of the hardware build/quality of parts (camera, radio, screen, BUTTONS!).
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People that hate evo 3D hate out of ignorance.
Let them hate.... 3d has some legit specs. flash miui and watch it fly....

honest opinion about CDMA 3D

I know I am actually IN the 3D forums lol so it might be biased but I just would like an honest opinion on it. Plus I know a lot of people here were from the 4G forums so they have a better comparison.
I have an opportunity to basically get a free 3D and I can either give my g/f my Evo 4G or give her the 3D. The 4G community on XDA is fantastic and booming right now with ICS and all things Sense 3.0 and 3.5. The phone itself is a beast for being so old too.
How is the community here as far as being on the pulse of new stuff and ICS ect...? I like having options for flashing that are stable and updated. I also didn't really see a solid WIP project for ICS unless I just missed it. I assumed something of that nature would be on the 1st page with the new discovery of hardware acceleration.
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The EVO 3D is better than the EVO 4G in virtually every single way, except for the development. It is quite slow and nothing compared to the 4G. The 4G is also older and has matured more as a phone, so I would expect its development community to be better.
freeza said:
The EVO 3D is better than the EVO 4G in virtually every single way, except for the development. It is quite slow and nothing compared to the 4G. The 4G is also older and has matured more as a phone, so I would expect its development community to be better.
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i second what freeza says. to tell you the truth, im a little dissapointed with the development of the evo 3d, at least as far as AOSP roms go. i feel like we have plenty of sense roms though, so if thats your thing, then great. I was a former cm7 user though and we still don't even have a beta of CM7 and havnt had an update since like october for cm7.
The phone itself is great, I am not completely upset about development because the e3d handles sense with ease. It is much more smooth and fast then my evo 4g ever was even with cm7 and over clocking.
to be clear. i do suggest you take the 3d, it is definitely a better phone. heres why
-better camera - yes less mp, but the flash works 100x better and it just wor3ks better. plus the camera hardware button is awesome. o ya, too. lol
-faster, smoother
-higher resolution screen.
-i think it feel better in you hand. personal preference i guess though.
The only real complaint I have about the 3D is the camera button. I actually prefer having a physical button, but it looks and feels tacked-on like an afterthought -- it should've been more like the volume buttons in shape and height. Otherwise, it's got a great feel to it, not as heavy-feeling as the 4G, but not cheap-feeling like some Samsung phones. The 3D camera is a gimmick that you'll soon get over, so thank goodness it's a great phone in every other respect.
I use CleanROM on mine after using Deck's AOSP on my 4G, and I don't notice any slowdown. I prefer HTC's calendar, dialer, contacts, and clock apps, so I was glad to be able to go back to Sense again (I use LP as my launcher though).
If the EVO 4G had a dual core processor I would say stick with it. While both screens are 4.3" the EVO 4G screen appears larger because of the 16:9 ratio used on the EVO 3D.
The EVO 3D screen also appears dropped down in the phone and not as flush with the bezel. You do get a better resolution on the 3D but HTC needs to step up the quality and colors of their screens to stay competitive.
I found the camera button to be a waste on the 3D as you had to push down so hard for it to take a pic that you would end up moving the whole camera. The pictures are def. better on the 3D but the camera still has a long ways to go to catch up to the competition.
Bottom line, knowing that quad core devices are around the corner, you will def. want to go with the dual core phone so you do not get left to far behind in the dirt...
Well, I now on the 3D. Only problem is it's hboot 1.5 so it seems I have a bit of reading to do to get some custom goodness going.
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@hockey4life the AOSP has really been stepped up over there btw. Most of it is obviously Cyanogen based but the custom Roms are solid and nice. MIUI is pretty popular and solid as well. ICS just today is in Preview 3 with hardware acceleration and for what it is is pretty stable as well.
When the 3D hardware becomes obsolete the value of the device will plummet, and the development will completely cease, I would predict. Where as the 4g will hold its resale value, and development might actually continue after the 3D dies. Also, the 3D will never have the size and speed of development that the 4g does and will.
The hardware is clearly superior though, and will still remain relevant after new devices come.
Your all leaving out the fact that the speaker on the 3D is terrible! Evo 4G's wasn't spectacular to begin with, but it puts the 3D's to shame!
Itt: ooh look at me, I have an amazing phone and all I do is hate on it
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I predict in June of next year, you're going to see a dramatic drop in the number of Evo 4G users ...
z50king said:
Itt: ooh look at me, I have an amazing phone and all I do is hate on it
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What the hell man? The freaking title even says HONEST opinion. The only way to answer his question with the least amount of bias is to include the pros AND cons of the device. You would never see a review online that doesn't include the high and low points, so why should this thread be any different? So you believe your device is great, but the thread asked for opinions, and that is what he got.
Hey, some people get a phone and hate it but are stuck with it. Lord knows i have gotten the "next best thing" and had to sit on it awhile so definitely good to get both sides.
I'm just shy of 24 hours into it and am enjoying it. I saw a lot of good points about the EVO 4G development and the 3D development. One thing I will say about the 3D that i am liking is that it is native Sense 3.0 and it runs SOOO smooth. 4G dev right now is hot but it's all beta and hacked 3.0/3.5 and ICS, no 4G no fully functioning camera, sms past 160 ect... The devs are absolutely amazing for what they do but compared to what I am seeing 3.0 should be running like it's like putting on that shirt you like that just quite doesn't fit anymore.
Don't flame me for this but it still is my opinion that this is a gimmick phone, 3D just wasn't very well thought out. I was literally over it about the 2nd picture lol. It's unfortunate that the 3D aspect is what prevents the devs from really digging in and blowing this thing up because dual core, EVO, and HTC all just equal greatness.
Ah well, thank you guys for the ups and downs, please if there is anything else I should know post up. I have been doing some non stop reading so far. Currently I am already HTC Unlocked and running Vipers Rom. I'm still learning about my limitations with hboot 1.5 but it seems to be just a few extra steps. I'll probably run this rom for a bit, any decent kernels out there? I'm not ready for the OC or undervolting yet but would like a decent kernel. My 4G was undervolted(is that a word lol) but this is a different beast.
All in all it was a free phone so I can't beat that with a stick.
blizzard1017 said:
Hey, some people get a phone and hate it but are stuck with it. Lord knows i have gotten the "next best thing" and had to sit on it awhile so definitely good to get both sides.
I'm just shy of 24 hours into it and am enjoying it. I saw a lot of good points about the EVO 4G development and the 3D development. One thing I will say about the 3D that i am liking is that it is native Sense 3.0 and it runs SOOO smooth. 4G dev right now is hot but it's all beta and hacked 3.0/3.5 and ICS, no 4G no fully functioning camera, sms past 160 ect... The devs are absolutely amazing for what they do but compared to what I am seeing 3.0 should be running like it's like putting on that shirt you like that just quite doesn't fit anymore.
Don't flame me for this but it still is my opinion that this is a gimmick phone, 3D just wasn't very well thought out. I was literally over it about the 2nd picture lol. It's unfortunate that the 3D aspect is what prevents the devs from really digging in and blowing this thing up because dual core, EVO, and HTC all just equal greatness.
Ah well, thank you guys for the ups and downs, please if there is anything else I should know post up. I have been doing some non stop reading so far. Currently I am already HTC Unlocked and running Vipers Rom. I'm still learning about my limitations with hboot 1.5 but it seems to be just a few extra steps. I'll probably run this rom for a bit, any decent kernels out there? I'm not ready for the OC or undervolting yet but would like a decent kernel. My 4G was undervolted(is that a word lol) but this is a different beast.
All in all it was a free phone so I can't beat that with a stick.
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its not really the 3d thats holding it back at all really. the only problem with the 3d is that feature will just be omitted on any roms that aren't built off the stock rom (like cm7 or sense 3.5, but i think they just figured out 3d on 3.5.). the chipset, or the low popularity of the chipset is holding it back. I dont believe there our any stable cm7 releases on our chipset family.
also want to add, none of the modded roms even feel as fast as the stock rom; therefore, since the phone is free, i dont see any reason not to upgrade. I kinda forgot about the whole hboot issue, i know they have some workarounds but i have the old one so i have never dealt with it.
hockey4life0099 said:
also want to add, none of the modded roms even feel as fast as the stock rom;
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Orly?
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Speaker is quiet. Overall I like the phone. I came from an epic 4g, and this community has 10x the development. I like the rom's and options everyone is putting out. I like the qhd screen and the dual core. The 3d is cool to show off to people. I think 3d takes better pictures than 2d as far as lighting goes. It runs very smooth stock, and that was the biggest reason I got it. Flipped the screen, it started the carousel thing, extremely smooth, and I bought it.
I forgot to mention. I got a free evo 4g a few weeks before the 3d, and I think the 3d is 5x better. It was a solid decision in my book getting the 3d.
Evo 3D taking it to Redline V2!
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Orly?
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i mean none of the modded evo 4g roms feel as fast as the stock evo 3d rom. i should have clarified.
hockey4life0099 said:
i mean none of the modded evo 4g roms feel as fast as the stock evo 3d rom. i should have clarified.
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Oh ok. I was like, Oh no, the system will fail if Hockey is tripping balls
hockey4life0099 said:
i mean none of the modded evo 4g roms feel as fast as the stock evo 3d rom. i should have clarified.
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Yea they weren't designed for the 4g. Hell native sense is still 1.0. The 2.1 rooms are dam smooth but when you have that 3.0 goodness why settle.
I like my choice so far. About the 3d holding it back, I'm clearly going on stuff I have read. I have seen both sides of the fence on that.
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freeza said:
The EVO 3D is better than the EVO 4G in virtually every single way, except for the development. It is quite slow and nothing compared to the 4G. The 4G is also older and has matured more as a phone, so I would expect its development community to be better.
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Exactly. This phone bores me.
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blizzard1017 said:
Yea they weren't designed for the 4g. Hell native sense is still 1.0. The 2.1 rooms are dam smooth but when you have that 3.0 goodness why settle.
I like my choice so far. About the 3d holding it back, I'm clearly going on stuff I have read. I have seen both sides of the fence on that.
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I can accurately tell you with confidence why the evo 3D development and popularity isn't there. You are right, the 3D is just a gimmick. Until glasses free 3D technology hits HD resolution, vibrant color depth, doesn't hurt people's eyes, and more devices can display 3D it will just be a feature that is nearly irrelevant, not a selling point. So, if you take away the 3D you are left with a phone that has hardware that is not at all revolutionary. Don't get me wrong, it performs well, but none of the technical specs were "never before seen".
Now, the 4g was revolutionary when it came out. First Android device device with 4g, in the world. Hdmi, 8mp camera, 1ghz snap dragon processor. All those features made the thing real popular. The number of people that own the device is therefore much higher. The hardware isn't the best out anymore but still very well preforming for current software trends.

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