hey guys, I always used autostarts on my evo 4g to disable apps from starting up. I never like the task killer approach since it was said to have done more harm than good on android 2.2+. Well, since the 3d isn't rooted yet, what are you guys doing to keep apps from running? anything?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15111733#post15111733
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without root, all that can do is kill processes manually... same as ATK... unless I am missing something
For now, yes. Unless you know of another that works without root and doesn't actually hinder AOS? This one and minfree are considered the best according to reviews around the web. Set a preset and let it do it's thing....they work in conjunction w/AOS. But you are right, you have to manually end the process for now
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For now, yes. Unless you know of another that works without root and doesn't actually hinder AOS? This one and minfree are considered the best according to reviews around the web. Set a preset and let it do it's thing....they work in conjunction w/AOS. But you are right, you have to manually end the process for now
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i am unable to set a preset in memory optimizer... whenever i do, i hit menu > refresh and the original values return...
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i am unable to set a preset in memory optimizer... whenever i do, i hit menu > refresh and the original values return...
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You can't cause we don't have root. My post meant this is one of the best when we have root. For the time being you have to manually end the process yourself.
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You can't cause we don't have root. My post meant this is one of the best when we have root. For the time being you have to manually end the process yourself.
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Ahhh got it... Sorry for the misunderstanding... Thanks!
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Okay, digging deep into Android's source.... not for the feint of heart, and not for those whose coding skills are somewhere just above, "Hello, world!" (Me)
Here's the deal. We all know, with Froyo, Google disabled task killers. No app can kill another app. I for one am happy, because killing all apps when your screen goes off is stupid, pointless, and all kinds of harmful. Well, happy but for one little thing....
Killing other apps still does have a purpose! Specifically, in my case, I want to replace my long-press home option with a cool app switcher that also gives me the ability to kill a running app if I know I am done with it for the day and it refuses to die naturally. I'm sure there are other legitimate uses for it, such as killing everything before a benchmark. Sure, these are very specific, uncommon uses, but a thousand apps on the Market exist for specific, uncommon uses, and I think that most hackers/modders with su here would know better than to let a task killer run rampant. Anyone wanna discuss re-enabling this on 2.2?
Edit: I should correct myself. I keep saying "app," what I mean is "service." I know you can still stop (most) apps, but not services. Which keeps a lot of apps running, despite your best efforts. Forgive me for misusing the words
wait task managers dont actually kill in 2.2? This is news to me, as one I have downloaded seems to work fine..
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wait task managers dont actually kill in 2.2? This is news to me, as one I have downloaded seems to work fine..
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^ditto.......
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wait task managers dont actually kill in 2.2? This is news to me, as one I have downloaded seems to work fine..
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Taskiller will show the app was killed. I'm sure many others will too. But kill an app, then go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications>Running, and you'll see that it's still running.
Edit: I should correct myself. I keep saying "app," what I mean is "service." I know you can still stop (most) apps, but not services. Which keeps a lot of apps running, despite your best efforts. Forgive me for misusing the words.
Forgive the obvious question but can't the services just be killed by a root request/process? If so, creating an interface for this should be easy as pants.
Of course, root is required but that shouldn't be a constraint.
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Forgive the obvious question but can't the services just be killed by a root request/process? If so, creating an interface for this should be easy as pants.
Of course, root is required but that shouldn't be a constraint.
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True. But wouldn't it make more sense to allow the dozens of non-root apps that already exist to do this, rather than have to re-write an app that does the exact same thing, but has to use su? It would be safer, too. Running everything as root all the time runs contrary to the whole idea of Linux. It's better to give apps the permissions they need, rather than give everything unlimited power.
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True. But wouldn't it make more sense to allow the dozens of non-root apps that already exist to do this, rather than have to re-write an app that does the exact same thing, but has to use su? It would be safer, too. Running everything as root all the time runs contrary to the whole idea of Linux. It's better to give apps the permissions they need, rather than give everything unlimited power.
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Oh, I see. It might be useful but that's the essence of the Froyo changes... it can't be done now without root. You've have to compromise the security model... probably not a feasible route...
I think you are mistaken, maybe in Manage Applications it still shows it as "stoppable", however... I just did a test.
1. Opened DDMS on my PC.
2. Took note of an app to test with (speedtest) that was currently running.
3. Opened Advanced Task Manager.
4. Killed speedtest with task manager and watched it disappear from the running process list in DDMS.
Obviously ATM was able to kill the task. And, just so you know, it did not start running again. Also, it was removed from the "Running" tab in Manage Applications, so you are double wrong.
And, in case you were going to further the argument that you meant to say "Services", I just killed the PhoneFusion VM service with ATM, and it was removed from the running process list in DDMS.
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Oh, I see. It might be useful but that's the essence of the Froyo changes... it can't be done now without root. You've have to compromise the security model... probably not a feasible route...
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Or create something that uses su to kill these processes for third-party apps, without the need for them to have su. Similar to superuser apk, but on a more specific level. Or, we could make it even better, and have superuser hand out specific, user-approved permissions, rather than permit root access as a whole to any app.
Apparently there's not a lot of interest in this, but I thought it would make an interesting discussion.
I'm Looking for an app that you can set up a schedule to have your phone reboot at a specific time every day. I know about "Fast Reboot" and those type of apps, but I'm looking for something that fully reboots the phone, hardware and all. Anyone know of an app that does that?
I would think Tasker could probably do it.
I haven't used tasker before and I have read that it is complicated to use so I was hoping for something a little more simple. Plus, I don't really need tasker for anything else so that would be kind of an expensive rebooting app. But I bet your right and that it could do it and thank you for taking the time and giving me your suggestion.
Why woukd you need a reboot app? Just curous
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I don't need it per say. But I thought it would be nice to have it reboot and be ready in the morning right away. I just reboot my phone every morning and to have it done automatically would be cool. That's all.
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Why woukd you need a reboot app? Just curous
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Also charging is better with phone off on GB so having the ability to have the phone turn on at a set time would still allow use of an alarm...theoretically anyway. I've actually thought about this but haven't looked into it.
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Also charging is better with phone off on GB so having the ability to have the phone turn on at a set time would still allow use of an alarm...theoretically anyway. I've actually thought about this but haven't looked into it.
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That is another great reason that I hadn't even thought of. Nice
Theres an app out there called PhonePrioritizer....it can perform scheduled reboots using a script. it does work, i used to use it....google it and check it out
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Also charging is better with phone off on GB so having the ability to have the phone turn on at a set time would still allow use of an alarm...theoretically anyway. I've actually thought about this but haven't looked into it.
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Theres no way to have the phone turn on by itself while it is not on...he probably means he just wants his phone to reboot itself like a half hour before he wakes up every morning so its fresh and ready to go, and he has all that nice reboot-RAM to play with.
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Theres an app out there called PhonePrioritizer....it can perform scheduled reboots using a script. it does work, i used to use it....google it and check it out
Theres no way to have the phone turn on by itself while it is not on...he probably means he just wants his phone to reboot itself like a half hour before he wakes up every morning so its fresh and ready to go, and he has all that nice reboot-RAM to play with.
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Thanks, I will check that app out. And yes, you knew exactly what I meant. Thanks, I couldn't think of another way to explain it and you did perfectly.
Titanium Backup would be the easiest way to do it, but you have to back stuff up, which you're probably doing, anyway, right?
I would have paid at least $20 for it, and it's been worth much more to me than that.
You can use Script Manager to write a script that reboot
(Create a Script in your SD card, under the #!/system/bin/sh line just write the word reboot, it should look like this:
#!/system/bin/sh
reboot
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Afterwards, long hold that script, and then change it so that it Run as root.
DO NOT check the Run at boot, or else it'll infinitely reboot.
then in Script Manager, go to Menu --> Advanced Options --> Scheduler
and then schedule the time you want it to reboot. Then press add script, add that script you just made.
My built in task killer is being super aggressive recently. When I first had the phone, pressing the "Clear RAM" closed around 5-10 applications and left me with ~350-400MB of used RAM. I installed system tuner pro (which is now uninstalled), but ever since I had installed it, my task killer is now closing 20+ applications, and my used RAM is getting down to 200-250MB. I can never get it down to "0 applications closed" anymore and the lowest I got was "3 applications closed" over and over again.
Normally, I wouldn't really care so much, but what I'm getting annoyed with is that doing that seems to disable NoLED and I suspect it's messing with SetCPU. SetCPU shows 702/192 on the widget, which is what I had it set to, but if I open SetCPU, I see 1836/192 at the top, but the scrollers are still 702/192. Anyone know what the heck is going on?
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My built in task killer is being super aggressive recently. When I first had the phone, pressing the "Clear RAM" closed around 5-10 applications and left me with ~350-400MB of used RAM. I installed system tuner pro (which is now uninstalled), but ever since I had installed it, my task killer is now closing 20+ applications, and my used RAM is getting down to 200-250MB. I can never get it down to "0 applications closed" anymore and the lowest I got was "3 applications closed" over and over again.
Normally, I wouldn't really care so much, but what I'm getting annoyed with is that doing that seems to disable NoLED and I suspect it's messing with SetCPU. SetCPU shows 702/192 on the widget, which is what I had it set to, but if I open SetCPU, I see 1836/192 at the top, but the scrollers are still 702/192. Anyone know what the heck is going on?
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Did you set System Tuner Pro back to default before uninstalling?
How would i do that? I just reinstalled it and i dont see any options like that...
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Seriously, how many times do people have to reiterate that task killers are NOT NEEDED?
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Seriously, how many times do people have to reiterate that task killers are NOT NEEDED?
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he's talking about the built in one
The built in one doesn't auto kill. Or does it ?!
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The built in one doesn't auto kill. Or does it ?!
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No, it doesn't.
My problem is that the stock task manger kills my alarm clock & battery widget. Which I really need....
Ever since I have swtiched to Advanced Task Manger and I honestly love it over the stock one. I even set it to auto kill when I turn off the screen.
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I read the OP. My statement stands. Auto, built-in, or third party, task killers are more harm than good.
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I read the OP. My statement stands. Auto, built-in, or third party, task killers are more harm than good.
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And yet still remain necessary for malfunctioning apps or those that stay running even when you back out of them and consume way too many resources, harming your battery life. C:Geo is my example. It doesn't always shut down properly and likes to drain my battery when I'm not using it unless I force quit it.
Another good example: Voxer likes to get "stuck" almost constantly. Only way to fix it is by force quitting and starting it up again.
While I agree that users shutting down apps constantly with a task manager to clear RAM does more harm than good, they still have their purpose and are a handy thing to have on any phone OS.
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And yet still remain necessary for malfunctioning apps or those that stay running even when you back out of them and consume way too many resources, harming your battery life. C:Geo is my example. It doesn't always shut down properly and likes to drain my battery when I'm not using it unless I force quit it.
Another good example: Voxer likes to get "stuck" almost constantly. Only way to fix it is by force quitting and starting it up again.
While I agree that users shutting down apps constantly with a task manager to clear RAM does more harm than good, they still have their purpose and are a handy thing to have on any phone OS.
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So the answer to OP is then to stop hitting the "Clear Ram" button.
Honestly, What is the point of a phone having this much ram, if you aren't going to let apps use it?
When you hit the home button, what android does is save the current state of that app and lays it to rest in the ram. When you go back to that app, it will pull it from the ram and bring it back from that state.
The app is not running in the background unless it's intended too.
So johnus is right. If an app gets stuck, or it is using your cpu and there is no real way to close it, that's what an app killer is really meant for.
Case closed now?
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So the answer to OP is then to stop hitting the "Clear Ram" button.
Honestly, What is the point of a phone having this much ram, if you aren't going to let apps use it?
When you hit the home button, what android does is save the current state of that app and lays it to rest in the ram. When you go back to that app, it will pull it from the ram and bring it back from that state.
The app is not running in the background unless it's intended too.
So johnus is right. If an app gets stuck, or it is using your cpu and there is no real way to close it, that's what an app killer is really meant for.
Case closed now?
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So I notice an issue with the task manager and you're basically suggesting I ignore it by not using very function I want to use?? That makes no sense and offers no solution to the problem whatsoever. I understand the concept of RAM and how it's used; I'm not new to this. The answer to my question is NOT to simply not use it
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So I notice an issue with the task manager and you're basically suggesting I ignore it by not using very function I want to use?? That makes no sense and offers no solution to the problem whatsoever. I understand the concept of RAM and how it's used; I'm not new to this. The answer to my question is NOT to simply not use it
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Well it is... Samsung goofed up by not letting you select items to ignore.
Just use something else if you must.
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So I notice an issue with the task manager and you're basically suggesting I ignore it by not using very function I want to use?? That makes no sense and offers no solution to the problem whatsoever. I understand the concept of RAM and how it's used; I'm not new to this. The answer to my question is NOT to simply not use it
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Some people just think their logic is law and their needs are the same as everybody. I use task manager for several things. Many that the previous poster mentioned and others. I'm sorry open but I can offer no assistance as I've never wandered past the stock task manager. But I will follow this thread as I am interested in the functions you mentioned.
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Well it is... Samsung goofed up by not letting you select items to ignore.
Just use something else if you must.
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Well samsung goofed up with the black crush issue also, but that doesn't mean I should stop using youtube, netflix or viewing black photos on my phone. With that kind of logic, lets just tell every to just stop using their phones because bugs are always going to exist everywhere, but there's no reason to fix it, because no one will ever use an app that's not perfect...right?
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Well samsung goofed up with the black crush issue also, but that doesn't mean I should stop using youtube, netflix or viewing black photos on my phone. With that kind of logic, lets just tell every to just stop using their phones because bugs are always going to exist everywhere, but there's no reason to fix it, because no one will ever use an app that's not perfect...right?
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How about this... Instead of complaining here. Call samsung?
What do you want people to do ?
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How about this... Instead of complaining here. Call samsung?
What do you want people to do ?
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If you're not going to help, then don't bother posting. Not everyone likes to ignore problems
Seeing as this is a developers forum, how about we all work together and find an actual solution to the problem, instead of these mickey mouse suggestions?
Is there any way to prevent the phone from killing the browser?
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Is there any way to prevent the phone from killing the browser?
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I am wondering this as well this phone just closes down all kinds of apps. I know android closes apps when it needs the space but this phones is constantly closing my apps I want to keep open.
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Hello,
I was told this is the place to come for everything related Galaxy S III from several people. Please excuse me if this is the wrong place or section.
I'm completely new to the Galaxy 3 and Android in general.
I'm on sprint and I've had the Palm Pre since launch, I just got my GS3 yesterday (amazon $149 no tax, free 2 day shipping) :victory:
As you can imagine coming form the Pre, my mind is blown. It's a bit overwhelming, I'm a pretty tech-savvy dude (pre was hacked to its limits) so I down to tinker. But before I even get started with that I have some basic questions.
1. Is there a way to only use a password unlock once per phone power-on instead of every time the screen locks?
1a Even better would be able to use a simple pin for screen unlock but still have the SD/Internal encrypted with a long password. Is that possible?
2. When I press back, how do I know if an app has been killed? I keep getting the feeling it still somehow running in the background?
3. Is the application manager like the Windows process manager? How do I know what are essential system apps and what can be stopped?
4. What is the best way to get rid of bloatware?
5. What are the diffrent system updates? PRL, Profile, Samsung Software, Firmware?
6. Why is there "com.sec.sprextension.phoneinfo.D..." under Device administrator? Do I need that? Is that a security hole/risk?
Again, sorry for so many questions, just trying to wrap my head around all of this. If there is a better place to be asking question please let me know.
Look forward to being part of the community! :highfive:
BR
1) not by default, maybe an app could aid there, not sure, but on stock "out of the box" the answer is "no"
1a) nope, if you want to use encryption, it's password all the way
2) Settings -> Application Manager -> "Running" tab
3) Kind of. It also warns you when you try to kill off a system app, but you can't really damage anything by doing that. I tend to kill just everything I don't want at the moment (which is usually everything but the widgets and app I am intentionally running) and all is well.
Stuff that REALLY needs to run, restarts automatically anyways (and some that don't have to, do as well....)
4) Settings -> Application Manager -> All -> Tap on app -> "Disable"
5) You will find an uncountable number of ROMs / Firmwares here. Stock as well as custom. What the best one is, is personal preference.
6) might be something added by the carrier. try to disable it, see what happens
7) ( ) .... ( ) whoops, no 7 xD
Hope that helped a bit
I'm on sprint and I've had the Palm Pre since launch, I just got my GS3 yesterday
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You most certainly are in the wrong forum. This one is for the international S3 which doesn't feature LTE. There's a Sprint forum right above/below this one =)
Is there a way to only use a password unlock once per phone power-on instead of every time the screen locks?
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That would make password unlock more or less redundant. Anyone could still access the phone.
When I press back, how do I know if an app has been killed? I keep getting the feeling it still somehow running in the background?
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You're correct. Well, partially. It's still "alive" in terms of being in the memory. But it doesn't use CPU anymore which is all that counts.
However you don't want to kill it. Cached processes take up no space (the RAM is emptyed whenever the capacity is needed), no resources and allow you to multi-task right back to where you left off.
Is the application manager like the Windows process manager? How do I know what are essential system apps and what can be stopped?
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You don't want to stop anything. Refer to the prior question for this. Well... you may want to kick off some bloatware but to get rid of thm the phone needs to be rooted. There are threads listing which apps you can safely remove.
What is the best way to get rid of bloatware?
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As said, you need to be rooted. Use TItanium Backup to freeze the bloatware. It's still physically "there" on the disk (doesn't take up much space) and you can defrost it whenever needed but as long as it's frozen it cannot be started.
What are the diffrent system updates? PRL, Profile, Samsung Software, Firmware?
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App updates are always delivered through their corresponding market. Usually the Google Play Store, but as for Samsung apps they have their own update mechanism.
Firmware and ROM are updated either OTA or through Kies on the computer. They can also be manually flashed through Odin.
"com.sec.sprextension.phoneinfo
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Sounds like some carrier bloatware and from the name of it is supposed to open some file extension called '.spr' for the phone.
Thank you for the info! Mods could you please move to correct forum?
Hi there, I was wondering how to change the stock file manager. I don't mean just setting a different manager as default. Because even then, android uses the stock file manager for use within other apps (like wallpaper apps) for uploading files.
So how do I replace the file manager completely? I have the same question for the default gallery app too. It doesn't look the way I want and it's driving me nuts. I didn't simply uninstall the system apps because I fear it might break something.
The same question
Try disabling the stock one if it really bugs you.
Uploads can be a bit witchy...
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Try disabling the stock one if it really bugs you.
Uploads can be a bit witchy...
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İ tried but some app's needed it. So İ have to make default another app.
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İ tried but some app's needed it. So İ have to make default another app.
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You may be stuck with it. I've noticed similar issues on my 10+ running on Pie.
Pretty much ignored the slight inconvenience as I reckon it be more trouble than it's worth to fix.
May play will it a bit and try to optimize if I get really bored... more likely that I'll light up another cigar and chill though
You could try clearing the app data on the ones that default to the stock file Manager.
May have to go deeper into the system apks that manage file interlinks.
Clear system cache.
I can do all uploads but it's far from ideal... requiring 2 retries sometimes to get the right menu index. Sometimes it takes 2 light up attempts to get the cigar burning proper too
I should ignore it too cause I do not have enough technical knowledge
asliaral said:
I should ignore it too cause I do not have enough technical knowledge
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Learn by doing. If it really bugs you play with it.
Pretty hard to crash a stock Android.
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Learn by doing. If it really bugs you play with it.
Pretty hard to crash a stock Android.
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İ am on Bliss rom
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İ am on Bliss rom
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My stock 10+ does similar bs. You have more options than me if you're rooted. The trick is learning them; it can be a steep, time consuming learning curve.
The biggest reason I haven't rooted as well as voiding the extended warranty I have.
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My stock 10+ does similar bs. You have more options than me if you're rooted. The trick is learning them; it can be a steep, time consuming learning curve.
The biggest reason I haven't rooted as well as voiding the extended warranty I have.
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Yes me have waited for warranty and rooted after it.
İ love learning but dont have enough English so it is very difficult for me.