I checked out these videos on youtube comparing the browser speeds on the EVO3D to the EVO4G--stock, nonetheless, and the EVO 4G loads up pages quicker than the 3D does! I'm surprised and dissapointed. Coming from a hero though, I obviously won't go back, but it makes me ask myself if I had an OG EVO, if the upgrade would even be worth it? It kind of baffles me
Check out this guys youtube to see what I'm talking about, specificially, this video goes into the best detail.
It had to be something with the connection they were using (3G, 4G, wifi?). I can't watch the video where i'm at right now, but my Evo 3D DESTROYS my Samsung Epic in page loads, and I know the Epic is either on par or faster than the Evo 4G.
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It had to be something with the connection they were using (3G, 4G, wifi?). I can't watch the video where i'm at right now, but my Evo 3D DESTROYS my Samsung Epic in page loads, and I know the Epic is either on par or faster than the Evo 4G.
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Yeah, that was my thoughts too. But he said he was using the same Wi-Fi connection, and you can see the Wi-Fi logo being displayed in the notification bar. I highly doubt he rigged it cause he still said he would rather have the E3D
Alas this has proven to be absolutely true here in Chicago.
Average 3G speedtests were 1200kbps with 4G.... They're half that now.
Engadget readable text would display in under 8sec.... Over 15 with 3D.
Who knows why. Sigh.
4G is over rated. I have the Verizon PRLs on my Evo and it runs faster than any 4G in my area.
This is not my experence at all. Evo3d is faster and smoother.
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I don't use stock browser until it gets a major upgrade. It is one aspect of Android that continues to be neglected of love. Dolphin HD destroys stock browser. Loads just as fast as my laptop and PC internet explorer, and Firefox.
I find my stock browser blazingly fast, even on 3G.
Currently i'm using whatever stock browser MIUI has and it's even faster than stock rom's browser, I don't know why you're having speed issues with the 3D's browser though.
Ok, i have a logical explanation
Note: I'm assuming that that Evo 3D is stock, so the second core isn't on at all.
So we can assume that the internet speed is the same because there on the same wifi connection. So, what i think this comes down to is the CPU and Screen resolution. The two CPU's are not the same and therefore not 100% comparable, but for the sake of argument lets just assume there pretty close. Now, the Evo 3D has a QHD display which has about 35% more pixels than the Evo 4G. And since the clock speed is only 20% higher on the 3D that could explain why the pages take a little longer to render on the 3D.
However, truthfully I think there something a little screwed up about our data speeds on the 3D because I remember reading that the 3rd Gen snapdragons were about 15-25% faster per instruction (per core) making my argument almost invalid
what do you guys think about this?
Even without use of the always on dual core mod, the second core still kicks in when needed. Even without using the second core, the 3d will still outperform the 4G. There is no logical explanation for the OPs findings other than somehow the WiFi signal strength isn't the same for each device.
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The reason I ask is that I love my phone but im wondering if I should take it back and wait for a dual core for battery life reasons. I only want htc because I have had Moro and blur sucks. Plus moto seems much more crippled so to speak. I know that the ego 3d is just a couple of months off so was wondering if something might be prtletty close behind for verizon, and I font care about the 3d nonsense, I just want a disk core because I assume that it will be more battery effecient. Please feel free to correct my inaccuracies, because I do love my phone, but the battery does leave a little to be desired along with the retarded micro usb placement. That is my only two gripes with the phone. Thanks for any siggestions.
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By the time a dual core LTE phone is released by HTC, unlimited data plans will be gone.
I disabled the lock screen and turn the GPS off when not needed and my battery life has improved dramatically... worth a shot?
I think everyone's eyes are too big for their stomach. It will be a while before a dual core phone will come out, where android is optimized to use it, and apps take advantage of it. Seriously, buy the time my upgrade rolls around in January 2012, it might be there. In the meantime, lovin my TB on 4g.
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I think everyone's eyes are too big for their stomach. It will be a while before a dual core phone will come out, where android is optimized to use it, and apps take advantage of it. Seriously, buy the time my upgrade rolls around in January 2012, it might be there. In the meantime, lovin my TB on 4g.
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So the next 4G phone for Verizon, which will be a motorola phone, the bionic will be a dual core LTE phone. Not HTC but will be dual core. The main reason I think the thunderbolt isn't is that there is some kind of delay in the dual core snapdragon processors from what I heard. But I agree the biggest benefit of jumping on the thunderbolt, which a really decent phone, is to get on 4G especially while it's still unlimited.
If bat life is already bad on a single core I can't even imagine on a dual core
It wouldn't be near as bad if HTC didn't try to put the smallest capacity battery they could find in there. That said, I've had no issue getting through the day. I'm connected to wifi all day at home and work and won't have LTE in my area until later this year.
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It wouldn't be near as bad if HTC didn't try to put the smallest capacity battery they could find in there. That said, I've had no issue getting through the day. I'm connected to wifi all day at home and work and won't have LTE in my area until later this year.
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You say that, but the phone is already a beast even with just a 1400mah battery. Can you imagine how bulky the thing would be with a 2000? And if the phone is only getting 6 hours per charge now, adding another 600mah woth of battery capacity would only give you about 3 more hours. It wouldn't be worth it to me.
The problem is not the battery capacity. The problem is that 4g radio on a very limitted 4g network. So it is constantly searching for a good 4g signal. The same thing happens to me everyday at work, because the 3g at my work sux. So my phone searches all day, and uses the battery up quick. But on the weekends when I am not at work, my battery lasts much longer.
We need to be turning the 4G radio off when we are going to be in a non-4G area for an extended amount of time. And then turn it back on again later when we leave that 4g dead-zone. That would make a big difference in battery life.
Or if they could make the radio more effecient, like instead of constantly searching for a signal, maybe if there is no signal, don't search again for another 15 minutes.
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If bat life is already bad on a single core I can't even imagine on a dual core
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Dual cores are usually more power efficient as each core is running at a lower clock speed from what I have read. There are some other specifics that I cannot recollect at this point.
So just a random semi relevant question. If the EVO 3d is cdma & LTE as is rumored what would keep that phone from running on Verizon?
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I dont see how the evo 3d wpuld possibly have LTE seeing ad how sprint hasnt put up the first LTE tower, or to my knowledge even bought any spectrum.
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If bat life is already bad on a single core I can't even imagine on a dual core
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Yea... I think it will get better... Look at all the custom roms for the incredible and what they did for battery life...
Hang in there and it will get better. I remember owning the DINC and not rooted but now it rocks.
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I dont see how the evo 3d wpuld possibly have LTE seeing ad how sprint hasnt put up the first LTE tower, or to my knowledge even bought any spectrum.
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i-den is going down and the future lte lies there
what i saw is that it is not lte it is wimax. so no go for us.
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This phone will be very experimental in my thought its the first of the 3d and the 3d in tv's is till iffy to me so I dont know how it will be on the phone
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This phone will be very experimental in my thought its the first of the 3d and the 3d in tv's is till iffy to me so I dont know how it will be on the phone
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Seems gimmicky to me. I don't understand why any one would want this in a phone. But to each their own. Anyway, I just wish we had DC for battery life, I could careless about benchmarks, etc. The 1Ghz does more than I need it to, but I would like it to be a little bit easier on this juice.
I am considering the TB coming from a Windows HTC Imagio and just think it sucks that I would have to spend time shutting things down then bringing them back up just to save batt. life!! I haven't yet experienced an Android and just not ready to learn a new phone. Just getting sick of windows. Nothing out there for them.
BTW. Is there anyway to get Windows Media Player on the TB? I have never liked the Sense music player. You cant play an album from start to finish. At least I cant on my Imagio
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I am considering the TB coming from a Windows HTC Imagio and just think it sucks that I would have to spend time shutting things down then bringing them back up just to save batt. life!! I haven't yet experienced an Android and just not ready to learn a new phone. Just getting sick of windows. Nothing out there for them.
BTW. Is there anyway to get Windows Media Player on the TB? I have never liked the Sense music player. You cant play an album from start to finish. At least I cant on my Imagio
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How can you not play an album from start to finish on any Android phone's music app? This has never been an issue.
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I am considering the TB coming from a Windows HTC Imagio and just think it sucks that I would have to spend time shutting things down then bringing them back up just to save batt. life!! I haven't yet experienced an Android and just not ready to learn a new phone. Just getting sick of windows. Nothing out there for them.
BTW. Is there anyway to get Windows Media Player on the TB? I have never liked the Sense music player. You cant play an album from start to finish. At least I cant on my Imagio
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I get better battery life on my Thunderbolt than my Droid. So, this battery life thing isn't a universal problem. It has to do with 4G switching. Trying to connect to weak 4G signal and dropping back to 3G often is killing battery life. There isn't LTE where I live so I get great battery life.
Just look for some media player apps on the market. That's what I did. I think I use car tunes, but I would have to get my phone and confirm.
As you know our phone uses the Adreno 220 in the Snapdragon 3 processor. Here are the real benchmarks not that quadrant crap.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/2
May favorite link below has several true test and compares all dual core chips:
http://www.droidgamers.com/index.ph...1661-dual-core-beasts-the-decision-to-buy-one
Also its the same chip though it say 1.5ghz don't know why htc lowered it but once we get root I'm sure we will clock it right back up.
Nice. Everyone keep kissing Tegras ass like it's king of the hill. It's nice to see some benches and a good article.
Thanks.
That's written by me, Also i am getting Evo 3D In first weeks of july
Love the second article. Really shows what power lays under to hood in this phone. I have been saying all along that this phone is possibly the most powerful phone out....but everyone else always says yes but look at SGSII quadrant!
For quadrant to be trusted it needs a mayor overhaul. And benchmarks are dor the e-penis bragging. Its all about RL performance. Anyways those results looks promising for us!.
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'faster' at this point it the development of the mobile gpu space is kind of a weird statement.
I'm waiting to see who cleans up in mobile gaming, because historically Microsoft has been the company that figured it out (directx). Dx allowed ATI/NVIDIA to have pretty deep systematic differences in execution strategy, but with the same end calculus.
Wouldnt be surprised if it ends the same way honestly. Google needs to roid out their gaming APIs so game devs don't have to spend more of their time in multi-device debug mode.
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I found it interesting that the iPhone 3GS beat out the iPhone 4. Not sure if the testing is all that accurate. But I don't need stats and benchmarks to tell me that my EVO 3D is faster than the G2x or the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (after owning both).
I think HTC reduced the chip speed in favor of battery life.
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This is very helpful. I even saved the bookmark in case I have to shove it down somebody throat for future flamming! ;-)
My ''xDU4L C0R3 SH00T3Rx'' shot you down in 3D!
Iphone4's score was due to the retina display. You know how some people claim that the display should not effect the score of the device in benchmarks, hen concerning the 3vo? Well the iphone4 seems to demonstrate otherwise. We all know that the iphone4 is an impressive gaming device.
What is vsync? I noticed there are 2 different results with it on and off.
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What is vsync? I noticed there are 2 different results with it on and off.
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I can't tell you exactly what it is but it's definitely GPU related. I've heard it many times about video games. Supposedly, if a game is not vsynced properly, it causes screen tear during the game. That's as much as I know
V SYNC (vertical sync) limits the framerate to match the display, so if your display will only do 60fps it will limit it to that
Good read. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=928593
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But I don't need stats and benchmarks to tell me that my EVO 3D is faster than the G2x
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Well the g2x was fast. Is fast. But that's because of vanilla.
But I agree the EVO3D is wayyyyy better.
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Iphone4's score was due to the retina display. You know how some people claim that the display should not effect the score of the device in benchmarks, hen concerning the 3vo? Well the iphone4 seems to demonstrate otherwise. We all know that the iphone4 is an impressive gaming device.
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Yeah, I forgot about the iPhone 4's screen resolution. I have the iPad 2 and I am amazed buy it's gaming capabilities. I tried many Droid tabs but my $500 seemed happiest with the iPad 2. But phone wise I'll keep my EVO 3D. My favorite phone since the razr days - never knew why people were so EVO crazy until now.
Smartphone lineage:
Palm Treo (win & palm), HTC Tytn, Nokia n95, iPhone, G1, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3GS, mytouch 3G, mytouch 4G, Galaxy Vibrant, HTC hd2, G2, g2x, MOTO defy, EVO 3D.
I'm sure I have forgotten a few.
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I saw a YouTube video where the galaxy s 2 scored almost 3100 but of course touch wiz is pretty much aosp. The quadrant test was against the sensation and it scored about a 2000 but I'm sure thats because of sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM6sPTcFpAc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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That's written by me, Also i am getting Evo 3D In first weeks of july
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Thats awesome news, you did some great work with the hd2. I used your unofficial build as my daily. You going to dev with the e3d?
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Almost every benchmark will favor one chip or the other. None of them are truly unbiased.
As far as the performance of this phone vs my previous ns4g and epic. I'm not disapointed. I rarely if ever encounter any lag on anything in the UI, and everything opens in a snap. I can't complain at all with any UI element performance.
Most games I get to run perform at least as well as my hummingbird powered phones, However I do have issues with random games crashing and not working. Sure, the GPU is more powerful, but if it wont play 1/2 the games then the power is wasted.
I want to clarify that I really enjoy this phone, and the gpu issue is one I will be able to just deal with.
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Almost every benchmark will favor one chip or the other. None of them are truly unbiased.
As far as the performance of this phone vs my previous ns4g and epic. I'm not disapointed. I rarely if ever encounter any lag on anything in the UI, and everything opens in a snap. I can't complain at all with any UI element performance.
Most games I get to run perform at least as well as my hummingbird powered phones, However I do have issues with random games crashing and not working. Sure, the GPU is more powerful, but if it wont play 1/2 the games then the power is wasted.
I want to clarify that I really enjoy this phone, and the gpu issue is one I will be able to just deal with.
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It's not the gpu its the Unity Engine. Check out these links. If you notice also no games lag just a random crash. It's a new gpu sometimes these things happen has nothing to do with its power.
http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/94...ation-Battleheart-Trial-Extreme-and-Samurai-2
http://androidforums.com/android-games/364036-unity3d-games-dont-work-adreno-220-a.html
Btw several dev told me Unity is working on it. I was also the one to figure out it was there engine. Most developers use it to do a quick iPhone to android port but they have to pay Unity of course but it makes relatively painless for them to port. But if something goes wrong with the Engine on a device pretty much every game will be affected and developer can't do anything about it because Unity did all the real work so they can't fix the coding.
Forgot... We have same chips as Sensation right?
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Forgot... We have same chips as Sensation right?
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Yeah that's right.
I went and tried the 3d again for 30 min yesterday. What is interesting is that on WIFI, the 4G loaded web pages faster than the 3d EVERY TIME. I loaded probably 10 pages at the same exact time on both. The 4G always won. Anyone else try this? Was it a fluke?
Huh?
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Oh wow I get it now... Your talking about the two different phones... Lol
I microwaved my EVO 4G so at this time I can't test. But I'm sure you have to manny variables for that test
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Are you on crack?
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There is a setting under WiFi to use best WiFi and its a lot faster
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Think that really depends on what wifi you were using. If you were at BB and everything was connected, its not going to be fast.
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I can agree, seems like 4g loads web pages faster. At home on wifi im getting 21 down and 4 up pretty fast .. on 4g im getting around 7 to 9 and less then 1 up however 4g does load web pages faster on my 3d . Im not sure why but i do notice faster loading on 4g .
Both phones were on the same fast WIFI network.
This happened in two different locations with two different 4G and 3D phones by the way...
Someone else should try this and get back to us.
Also, what is this "best" wifi setting you speak of?
Go to WiFi set up. Hit menu then advanced. Then best WiFi ( says it will consume more power)
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Menu...wireless....wifi...menu button...advanced...enable best wifi.
See if that helps
Edit. You beat me by a hair. Sorry
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Though it seems counterintuitive I think the fact that the 3D has more screen real estate to fill may come into play here.
I have both phones and have also noticed the same thing. Perhaps they have a different definition of a 'fully loaded' web page to compensate for that, or maybe it's the fact that they don't compensate for that.
I can't say that it has impeded my enjoyment of the 3D...that crappy aspect ratio and weaker 3G radio have done that all by themselves, and that's to say nothing of the status of the bootloader and sense.
daneurysm, since you have both phones there, have you tried with both on the "best" setting?
p.s. I also like the aspect ratio of the OG's screen better. Longer and more narrow does me little good...I do not watch movies on my phone.
Which is better for performance.......wifi on the phone or a downloaded app in the market for wifi like Barnacel???
Nexus S is faster over WIFI
All I know is I have the Nexus right here - there is no "best" setting on it and it is faster than either of the Evos on WIFI.
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All I know is I have the Nexus right here - there is no "best" setting on it and it is faster than either of the Evos on WIFI.
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My EVO 3D, while on my home WiFi network at least, is generally running as fast as my computer. My computer is a high end one as well.
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My EVO 3D, while on my home WiFi network at least, is generally running as fast as my computer. My computer is a high end one as well.
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My E3D is faster than my 4G on my WiFi at home. My E3D loads web pages (and does everything) blazingly fast.
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I ran some tests like this with my bros NS4G, an EVO4G, and my 3D. I think the OG EVO finished a tad bit faster about half the time .
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This is reported on most sites (4G faster). I did about 30 3D vs 4G site loading tests and 4G was faster like 25 times.
I'm counting on radio updates to help with this (like it did the 4G...many times)
Yea if on WiFi you need to take the e3d off power save in WiFi settings..I believe that will be the difference here...also like Rocky said it will improve once they work out the bugs
I just watched several videos on youtube comparing the two, and the 3D was faster every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiRwM_3WL00&feature=youtube_gdata_player
30test site download I did (on 3G) was identical to this.
Hey firmbiz...you mean 'best WIFi' setting right?...there's no power save setting in WiFi setting that I see...
If this has been asked before I apologize and mods can close this. Now that we have s-off, root, custom roms, kernels, etc. Aside from the 3d which can wear off, is the EVO 3d worth it? There has been alot of debate for and against and I just can't see keeping OG EVO just to be pushing it to the max to run the stock rom of the EVO 3D. Thinking on making the plunge in two weeks. If there is a thread for this already I apologize again and close this.
Apples to oranges. I get almost every new phone that gets released on Sprint. The 3D is effect is pretty cool. More memory and faster processor are big plus. And I like the screen better.
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Apples to oranges. I get almost every new phone that gets released on Sprint. The 3D is effect is pretty cool. More memory and faster processor are big plus. And I like the screen better.
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Ok, I played with a co-workers 3vo and once I saw storage and memory I was pretty much sold.
Storage and memory are only a snip of what it offers. The dual core processor flies! The screen is bright and vivid. It runs apps seamlessly, and video is crystal clear. Its a huge step up from the 4G I think.
I know when I was thinking about getting this phone, all I could focus on was, "Well, i dont really care about 3D, so why get the phone?" Truth is its so much more than just 3D, its an over all step up from the 4G, with 3D capabilities.... good luck on the plunge!
Why wont any android phone ive ever owned scroll Gmaps smoothly?
Ive gone from OG droid to SGS2 and anything worth having in between.
Also had a Focus (which was ****ing awesome except for no hidden networks)
and all the Iphones except the 2g
What gives? in theory the GPU on my SGS2 is TEN TIMES more powerful then IP4
because it is 5 times more powerful than a SGX540 which in turn is twice as powerful as the fairly weak SGX535 in the IP4
Which in turn leads to massive overhead for a smaller resolution screen?
How exactly did this simple task slip through the hands of the developers at google, samsung and just about every single android manf.
if you've been lucky to scroll some pictures in the gallery on a SGS2 you know how flawless the GPU acceleration of the photos are there as well as the smoothness of the gallery and the speed at which is propagates. all a massive 3d hollabalu? yet no Love for the maps? WHEN WILL THEY FIX THIS ****!!!!!
Flawless for me. Although I shared your frustration when I had a g1
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