[Q] Superuser 50/50 - Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Just got a new thunderbolt and here is where I am at.. I "think" I've tried just about everything before I'd ask here since this whole superuser thing seems to be a problem had by more than a few people.
1. Tried the http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005292 root method. Did not work. Never got past step one. No big deal.
2. Followed this http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Thunderbolt:_Full_Update_Guide and did the root by hand. Went through fine with no problem.
3. Upon reboot noticed that Titanium backup FC's superuser. BUT root explorer works.
4. went to manage app's and cleared data for superuser. Did not work.
5. Redid the final step of pushing su and setting permissions. Did not work.
6. Reinstalled busybox from market. Did not work.
7. Updated superuser from market. Did not work.
8. Loaded Rom Manager and tried to fix permissions. Did not work. could not gain rights.
I'm not against doing the whole process over. Would I just start at step one and redo the whole process?
From a technical standpoint what would let root explorer be able to gain access but no other program? Just for informations sake.
Any other suggestions of what to try? If I missed something I apologize. Still reading.
Thanks
Bruce

Fixed - 7/3/11 - 9:45am EST
Just got an update to SU. Said yes to install and everything is perfect now.
Enjoy
Bruce

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[Q] Titanium not working since SU update...

since upgrading superuser to 3.0, I can no longer access Titanium Pro
It says it has root permissions in superuser, but Titanium Backup says it cannot acquire root priveleges.
I ununstalled and reinstalled both programs, then TB would hang at the asking for root permissions screen first time. Next time I go in, it gives me the error about no priveleges. If I click switch Profile, I get asked to give it su permissions, which I click allow and tell it to remember, but it still gives me the same error. After a phone reboot, it goes back to sticking on the 'asking for root access' screen.
I used Rootchecker to check my access, it tells me Busybox is installed correctly and that I have root access. Juice Defender continues to work fine as well in the areas requiring root access, as do the adblock programs
I have no idea at all what to do! Please help…
Keiron
Try this...
I just checked mine and everything works fine. I would try deleting Titanium and then re-install it and see if that helps, or try going into SU and erase Titanium's permissions and then try to run it again so it has to ask for superuser access again.
Hope that helps
Solved
just sorted it... Seems it was an app called application protect, didn't like the update. Disabled it and all good now. I had it set to ask for pattern logo password on su access... Worked before, not after...

Answer to SU problems on CM7???

I just saw this on the XDA home page. Its a new super user app. As we know, the SU app on CM7 is a little buggy and doesnt always give super user permissions. Maybe this app will work better for us. Im going to be trying it out soon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
UPDATE: So I installed it and tested all my root apps. Seems to work well. I will give it a day or two and see if I have any of the apps fail to get root permissions. If this works and fixes the SU problems we have, then this is a great thing for us CM7 users.
jsgraphicart said:
I just saw this on the XDA home page. Its a new super user app. As we know, the SU app on CM7 is a little buggy and doesnt always give super user permissions. Maybe this app will work better for us. Im going to be trying it out soon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
UPDATE: So I installed it and tested all my root apps. Seems to work well. I will give it a day or two and see if I have any of the apps fail to get root permissions. If this works and fixes the SU problems we have, then this is a great thing for us CM7 users.
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Since I am very familiar with ADB and the command line, I tore apart the apk in the linked thread OP to make sure I understood what was happening during the install. I moved the original su binary and Superuser.apk to my emmc (internal memory card), manually pushed the new files out to my phone, and then rebooted.
Once CM7DX2 came all the way up, I started doing some testing and noticed the the original Superuser APK was still showing up in my app drawer. If DOESN'T appear to be conflicting with the new SuperSU APK, but I'm not sure. I have had a few times of the SuperSU app stop responding and asking to either force close or wait. After hitting wait a few times, I ended up just FCing the app.
Once everything smoothed out, the SuperSU seems to have worked, bu, I was still receiving "not responding" messages from the SuperSU app when apps were asking for Root access.
I am going to also cross-post this to the linked OP thread and see if Chainfire wants more digging into this.
Also, as a side note, I think the reason the CM7DX2 Superuser APK was still appearing is that it MAY be installed as part of 2nd-init. I'm not 100% sure about this.
So, in conclusion, for CM7DX2, I think this needs more digging in to and I will offer to work with Chainfire to see what we can do.
Ciao!
Moon Shadow - NM said:
Since I am very familiar with ADB and the command line, I tore apart the apk in the linked thread OP to make sure I understood what was happening during the install. I moved the original su binary and Superuser.apk to my emmc (internal memory card), manually pushed the new files out to my phone, and then rebooted.
Once CM7DX2 came all the way up, I started doing some testing and noticed the the original Superuser APK was still showing up in my app drawer. If DOESN'T appear to be conflicting with the new SuperSU APK, but I'm not sure. I have had a few times of the SuperSU app stop responding and asking to either force close or wait. After hitting wait a few times, I ended up just FCing the app.
Once everything smoothed out, the SuperSU seems to have worked, bu, I was still receiving "not responding" messages from the SuperSU app when apps were asking for Root access.
I am going to also cross-post this to the linked OP thread and see if Chainfire wants more digging into this.
Also, as a side note, I think the reason the CM7DX2 Superuser APK was still appearing is that it MAY be installed as part of 2nd-init. I'm not 100% sure about this.
So, in conclusion, for CM7DX2, I think this needs more digging in to and I will offer to work with Chainfire to see what we can do.
Ciao!
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Thanks Moon Shadow. The only time I had it hang on "asking for root access" is with Titanium Backup. I think that had to do with the SuperSU app freezing though when trying to get into the settings tab in the app. It just freezes up when selecting that and I had to go into application seetings and manually force stop the app. After that, everything worked fine. I think its just that settings tab for some reason.
The way I installed it was installed SuperSU from the market, then uninstalled the old Super User through the market. I then opened SuperSU and it asked to update so I did. After that, I went through all my root apps and the new SuperSU prompt popped up for all and I granted access. I too see the old SU in the app drawer. Opening that though shows that the only thing that its granting root access to is the new SuperSU app. It doesnt seem to be conflicting with anything so far.
Moon Shadow - NM said:
Since I am very familiar with ADB and the command line, I tore apart the apk in the linked thread OP to make sure I understood what was happening during the install. I moved the original su binary and Superuser.apk to my emmc (internal memory card), manually pushed the new files out to my phone, and then rebooted.
Once CM7DX2 came all the way up, I started doing some testing and noticed the the original Superuser APK was still showing up in my app drawer. If DOESN'T appear to be conflicting with the new SuperSU APK, but I'm not sure. I have had a few times of the SuperSU app stop responding and asking to either force close or wait. After hitting wait a few times, I ended up just FCing the app.
Once everything smoothed out, the SuperSU seems to have worked, bu, I was still receiving "not responding" messages from the SuperSU app when apps were asking for Root access.
I am going to also cross-post this to the linked OP thread and see if Chainfire wants more digging into this.
Also, as a side note, I think the reason the CM7DX2 Superuser APK was still appearing is that it MAY be installed as part of 2nd-init. I'm not 100% sure about this.
So, in conclusion, for CM7DX2, I think this needs more digging in to and I will offer to work with Chainfire to see what we can do.
Ciao!
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Kind of random but Moon, you are a goddamn machine. The moment something great releases you take it apart and make it better. Good **** man, good ****.
Just including my experience...
SuperSU is working like a champ, but had major issues until I removed Superuser completely.
Here's how I installed:
- Install SuperSU from market
- Uninstall Superuser from settings > applications
- Launch SuperSU and allow it to update it's binary
- Delete superuser.apk from system/apps (use root explorer, es file explorer, terminal, etc...)
- Reboot
Since changing over to SuperSU, I haven't seen a single hang while an app is requesting su permissions.
xawen said:
Just including my experience...
SuperSU is working like a champ, but had major issues until I removed Superuser completely.
Here's how I installed:
- Install SuperSU from market
- Uninstall Superuser from settings > applications
- Launch SuperSU and allow it to update it's binary
- Delete superuser.apk from system/apps (use root explorer, es file explorer, terminal, etc...)
- Reboot
Since changing over to SuperSU, I haven't seen a single hang while an app is requesting su permissions.
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Same here. This new SU seems to fix the issue we had with the old one. The only problem is that damn settings tab. It freezes the app.
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i find this relevant to my interest any one else test
Xb0i said:
i find this relevant to my interest any one else test
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Follow xawen's directions and you'll be fine. It works like a charm.
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cant uninstall superuser from settings- applications. doesnt give the option
Xb0i said:
cant uninstall superuser from settings- applications. doesnt give the option
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Did you go Settings> Applications> Manage Applications and hit the app? If you dont see that option, go into Titanium Backup (an app you have no excuse not having) and uninstall it. Then go into Root explorer and follow the above directions to totally remove it. Then reboot. It may seem like it isnt totally gone cause you may see the icon somewhere, but it likely is gone and a reboot is needed in order to confirm.
yea got the tiBu. but i tried force stopping and clearing data and uninstall never popped up. thought about removing in TiBu buts thats not what it said in the instructions.
Xb0i said:
yea got the tiBu. but i tried force stopping and clearing data and uninstall never popped up. thought about removing in TiBu buts thats not what it said in the instructions.
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Its what I did. Its a bit of a deviation but it got the job done and thats what matters, ya know?
wow pretty bizzare i cant find superuser in TiBu! whats goin on lol
Xb0i said:
wow pretty bizzare i cant find superuser in TiBu! whats goin on lol
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Did it disappear after you rebooted? If you have root explorer, go into system/app and see if SU is still gone. If so, you're in good shape.
to clarify
before i even started i backed up original superuser.apk to a folder on sdcard from root explorer, then
i downloaded supersu from market.
went to settings-app-manage apps- etc no choice to uninstall. force stopped- cleared data, still no uninstall option.
went into titanium backup to uninstall from there and superuser wasnt even listed in the apps! (ok weird)
only option left is to just delete from root explorer then continue continue to launch supersu, update binaries and reboot but im holding off.
Lowend was supersuper listed in titanium for u? y isnt it showing up in my list. i find it odd
Xb0i said:
to clarify
before i even started i backed up original superuser.apk to a folder on sdcard from root explorer, then
i downloaded supersu from market.
went to settings-app-manage apps- etc no choice to uninstall. force stopped- cleared data, still no uninstall option.
went into titanium backup to uninstall from there and superuser wasnt even listed in the apps! (ok weird)
only option left is to just delete from root explorer then continue continue to launch supersu, update binaries and reboot but im holding off.
Lowend was supersuper listed in titanium for u? y isnt it showing up in my list. i find it odd
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I can't find superuser in TB either... it is kind of weird...
i believe u cant delete superuser from tibu cus u need superuser for root access so its like a paradox. i dunno y instructions were as someone showed cus it seems the only way to get this to work properly is delete from root explorer. but im gunna hold off till someone confirms this more legit
I don't understand why you're holding off...if SuperSU is active, go for the reboot and see if the old superuser app clears.
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id rather not have a headache if it messes something up.
this thread however gives some detail on supersu
looks like sum apps look for the presence of superuser.apk in data/app and possibly system/app.
a dummy file looks like it can resolve issues. ill switch when more testing is done on CM7dx2.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
Xb0i said:
id rather not have a headache if it messes something up.
this thread however gives some detail on supersu
looks like sum apps look for the presence of superuser.apk in data/app and possibly system/app.
a dummy file looks like it can resolve issues. ill switch when more testing is done on CM7dx2.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
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It's odd that you guys don't see the uninstall option for it... Do you see it in Market (err...Google Play, stupid name)? That's another way to get the uninstall done. If it doesn't show up there, you should be able to use root explorer and delete it from /data/apps and /system/apps.
When we installed CM7, the instructions had us update Superuser from market. That would have installed it in /data/apps, so it just needs to be yanked from there. Uninstall via market, tibu, settings>apps or manual through root explorer should all do the same thing. Then you can delete the built in one from system.
Also, if for some reason the whole process breaks down on you...there's a flashable version of the original Superuser that will probably get you going again. I haven't tried it on CM7 though...
jsgraphicart said:
Same here. This new SU seems to fix the issue we had with the old one. The only problem is that damn settings tab. It freezes the app.
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The most recent update (pushed yesterday) fixed this for me.

ROOT Weirdness

Hi all; I just got a Galaxy Note and successfully installed CWM and rooted using DA_G Odin PDA method.
Could anyone help me with the following please?
1. Superuser app looks funny on screen, like its not formatted correctly some screen layers are on top of others... it looks messed up lol. It does actually work though(grants or denies root access).
2. Titanium Backup is complaining about my root access and how SU is not working correctly. Though if I grant it root access it does actually work correctly.
This seems to have started after a factory reset.
xda1zero said:
Hi all; I just got a Galaxy Note and successfully installed CWM and rooted using DA_G Odin PDA method.
Could anyone help me with the following please?
1. Superuser app looks funny on screen, like its not formatted correctly some screen layers are on top of others... it looks messed up lol. It does actually work though(grants or denies root access).
2. Titanium Backup is complaining about my root access and how SU is not working correctly. Though if I grant it root access it does actually work correctly.
This seems to have started after a factory reset.
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1) It always looks like this, has nothing to do with a factory reset. Install Super SU from the market if you don't like the look of Superuser.
2) Yes, this is how it works. Titanium Backup requires root to run. So that makes sense that it works correctly when you grant it root. So I am not sure I get the question.
jpeg42 said:
1) It always looks like this, has nothing to do with a factory reset. Install Super SU from the market if you don't like the look of Superuser.
2) Yes, this is how it works. Titanium Backup requires root to run. So that makes sense that it works correctly when you grant it root. So I am not sure I get the question.
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Point 1- Yes did that, DA_G root method does not come with the superuser app. The superuser app literally looks messed up... from your reply your implying that's normal(or not)?
Point 2- When I start Titanium backup, it complains that my SU is messed up. If this is normal behavior for the Note, so be it, just checking
Moderators- I apologize if this thread does not belong in the general section, I would appreciate if it can be moved, if needed, thanks
When asking for SU acces at TB screen is the "remember" checked off? If it isnt thats why its always asking you. I had an issue like you and a simple reboot remedied it. If that doesnt help, remove and reinstall both apps from market again. Reboot and see if that fixes it.
The SU app does look weird on our phablets. But it works as expected.

Superuser Permission denied

Alright, here's the situation I have going on here. Today I was going through my phone with System Tuner Pro. Looking to get more space to install apps, I went found superuser and tried moving to SD card. At that point the application crashed. When trying to open the app again it gave me a denied permission prompt. I then went ahead and opened Root Explorer and again another deny prompt. I then went to the Superuser website to get a zip file to reinstall the apk. http://androidsu.com/superuser/ I downloaded su bin and apk zips files. And went ahead into the steps on installing them through recovery. Yes I know how to wipe cache and dalvik before hand installing the zip files. I then rebooted it and tried using Root Checker, no access again. Then tried using SU Updater, again it told me to reinstall Superuser, I've already done that, but for the heck of it, I did it again. No luck, I've decided after reading a few articles online about similar problems, to install the Busybox installer. On the front page it says "Your device is rooted.". Yes this phone is rooted before hand if you couldn't tell. Little note Everything is being deny access even the Superuser app itself.
The phone is a LG-VM670
Running on Android 2.3.7
Thank you for your help you kind force hero.

Rooted FTF?

Have noticed several custom rom but no single solution on how to acheive or even install custom ROMs. I tried VRoot which gave me root but left that method after realizing that i couldnt replace su with supersupro. I also got a vague hint that I was sandboxed. I might be paranoid but as.several other users has reported similar issue i decided to factory reset and also restore from backed up data in the PC suit. Please advice about how to be able to flash custom roms or more desired obtain root on stock ROM. Cause I will want to try out the official Kit Kat when it rolls out. Peace!!
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You can replace the superuser app from vRoot.
- Download SuperSU and open it. Update binaries.
- Use a file explorer and go to /system/app
- Find "superuser.apk" and delete it (Superuser will ask for root. Press yes)
- Your file explorer might argue that it can't delete it (since you're trying to delete the app that gave you the permission in the first place. I guess he's not happy about that, but screw him, he's gone)
- Open SuperSU again and see if all is well (update binary if it asks for it again)
- Reboot and you're done
This is what i've done every time i've rooted and it always work
Tried that
LordManhattan said:
You can replace the superuser app from vRoot.
- Download SuperSU and open it. Update binaries.
- Use a file explorer and go to /system/app
- Find "superuser.apk" and delete it (Superuser will ask for root. Press yes)
- Your file explorer might argue that it can't delete it (since you're trying to delete the app that gave you the permission in the first place. I guess he's not happy about that, but screw him, he's gone)
- Open SuperSU again and see if all is well (update binary if it asks for it again)
- Reboot and you're done
This is what i've done every time i've rooted and it always work
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I tried that method actually before you sent me the instructions. I works fine but or some strange reason I get a lots of chinese characters wile allowing apps root... This vroot seems very keen on holdiong on to the root that it had. ) I need a script or something Iḿ getting tired about al this.
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If there's still a chinese prompt that pops up when asking for root, it means that you haven't removed it. SuperSU is the app that should ask you for root access

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