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I'd like to commend everyone who is a part of the activities on this board. It's amazing how people from around the world combine, coordinate, and contribute to the success and fun that is XDA-Forums.
As a recent Android enthusiast (learning to use my Java skills to learn to code for Android)...I find that rooting, ROMS, etc. is really another great way to get much more out of my humble Droid Eris.
That being said, as a total noob (albeit one who's got just enough geek savvy to get himself into trouble), I find that as much as this forum is a wealth of knowledge and skills, but also a bit daunting, conflicting (at times), and disjointed. I've been reading, searching, and piecing together bits of data trying to figure things out, but one has to admit, it's a bit overwhelming...
I see that there is an XDA-Wiki section, but in my opinion it's a bit underwhelming. While I understand to create, edit, update, maintain, moderate, etc. even a small Wiki is no simple task, I believe that to add *more* authoritative content to the wiki would greatly help the new and seasoned enthusiasts alike.
To that I wonder if we as a community of Android, and in particular Droid Eris fans, couldn't quickly and effectively work together to make a Wiki which would provide:
1. A central location for all, authoritative, knowledge for various experience levels. No more trying to figure out which post is correct. Which instructions are better. No more asking the same questions over and over across threads and inadvertently pissing off someone. No more having to spend time answering the same questions.
2. Ability for those who know the stuff to pass it on without having to keep re-answering, re-posting, re-clarifying, re-editing, etc. their posts for the benefit of every noob (such as myself) who keeps asking over and over. I'm sure if we developed a detailed wiki in which folks can submit screen-shots, videos, scripted walk-thrus, etc. it would cut down on a lot of the ancillary *noise* which clutters up our forum.
3. Keep the forum as a place for people to discuss rather than just *learn*. The forum, while useful and FULL of great info, is a hard way to try and piece together fragments of info (sometimes conflicting via different posts/threads). The forum format is a great way to discuss but not an effective means to simply transfer/share/update knowledge. How cool would it be if I followed someone's instructions and posted my own notes to help improve them without having to have the original poster do the update? Or if I decide I love a particular ROM very much, I could post pics, how-to guides, etc. to add to the already great work. This allows the great ROM artists to keep focused on their work rather than mundane tasks like documentation. (As a noob I don't mind doing the mundane if it means I can actively contribute something back to these devs...that and I'm unemployed so unfortunately I can't donate to them just yet).
4. Generally speaking, I'm sure everyone here has turned to Wikipedia at one time or another and can appreciate it's usefulness...being able to click on a word and dig just a litter deeper to gain more understanding. Now imagine if we applied that to the efforts here on XDA? No more having to maintain long sticky threads, or worse having to keep telling overeager/overzealous noobs (like myself) to "do a search" or "read the sticky" or etc. In some cases not having to try and Google things like fastboot, HBOOT, adb, recovery, rooting vs stock, various flavors of ROMs, etc. Or worse having to try and put together info from different forums across the web (i.e. AndroidForums & XDA) and figure out who's *right*.
I apologize to anyone if they find my suggestion offensive, ineffective, and/or just plain useless. I guess as a nooby I'm just trying to give back in the only way I know how: I'm an organization geek (OCD according to my wife).
Cheers and keep up the great work!
+10, wonderful idea.
i like where this could go...
I believe you just saved the internet.
Let's get organized...XDA-Wiki
Glad to see some positive responses. I wasn't sure if my suggestion would be received with interest or disdain. All told, I was sort of jealous of those guys over at nookdevs[dot]com and how easy their wiki makes it for simpletons like myself.
So how does *work* get organized on XDA? I mean, I'd like to start figuring out who, why, what, where, when, how, etc we start building the XDA-Ark-O-Knowledge (aka Wiki)? Obviously there's XDA-Wiki already here; do we build off it, or do we start with a clean slate? Organization of data? Taxonomy? Moderators to ensure we don't bollocks each other up? Etc, etc.
Since I really am a noob to 99% of what's going on here at XDA, I think I'd be better at taking orders and doing tasks than telling the seasoned pros of XDA how to organize their efforts/info/data.
Cheers!
I am also interested and willing to help however I can...
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I can host as well - I can park a domain on my server or host from my current domain (k2vegas.com)
(there is nothing on that site, it's just what I use to host files, images, etc...)
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/
XDA has one, maybe I should of looked before lulz.
Further thoughts...
Some thoughts on how to proceed forward...
1. jcase, I think we should probably leverage the existing XDA-Wiki that you provided a link to. It's as good a place as any to start.
2. I'd suggest that we, for now, focus on doing the wiki work for Droid Eris in particular. We can use this as a way to figure out how best to capture, arrange, articulate, etc. the types of standardized data (how-tos, specs, ROMs, etc.) The XDA-Wiki for Droid Eris can be found here.
3. Here's some high-level topics. Please keep in mind that these are coming from a real noob, so I'm 100% sure it's not exhaustive nor 100% useful.
Overview - Basic high-level info on Droid Eris and the *recent* changes made to the wiki.
Device Specifications - I think this is covered here but we can add/remove as needed to keep it current.
How-To - Include detailed how-tos for rooting, unrooting, recovery, backup, etc. specific to Droid Eris. As a noob, I would love to see us build this section out with detailed instructions, pics, vidz, etc. to make it as simple for folks as it can be. I also see ECLIPS3's and Jamezelle's Eris Master App as a great tool which would fit into this section.
FAQ - There's already some FAQs for Droid Eris in the sticky on the first post...likely we can take this as is and add more details to it and refresh the data as needed.
ROMs - The ROMs info is spread out quite a bit across many threads/posts. I'd love to see some standardization of data, pics, ROM specific instructions, etc. put into this section. Ultimately I'd love for us to put together a matrix which allows for quick and easy comparison of the ROMs...this would help make ROM selection much simpler and avoid all those repetitive posts about "which ROM should I use?" "which ROM has X?"
Kitchen - ?? I hear this word tossed around and from what I can figure out it has something to do with those elite geeks who actually make those yummy ROMs we love!
Dictionary/Abbreviations - We throw around a lot of terms/abbreviations in this forum and it's hard sometimes to figure out the meanings/context. One place to look them up and get details would be great.
4. As for taking existing data/info from the various posts and copying them to the wiki...I would suggest we either get the "owner" (orig poster/author) of the content to participate and move it for us (and in the process update/clean/revise it as needed). OR as for their permission and copy it for them.
5. Who want's to do what? How is work organized on XDA so we don't step on each others' toes? Do we need an XDA administrator's permission before we start?
6. What else do we need? How else can we develop the Droid Eris Wiki and use it as a model (proof-of-concept) which we can present to XDA-Forums as w whole to adopt?
Thanks!
There's a wiki up at andirc(dot)net. Its in need of content though, so any/all contributions would be awesome!
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There's a wiki up at andirc(dot)net. Its in need of content though, so any/all contributions would be awesome!
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Thanks for suggesting we update to the wiki you've provided a link to. However, I was more inclined to build off of the XDA Wiki instead. I've not heard from many folks in this thread as to a preference, so I was going to go ahead and build on the XDA Wiki (specifically the Droid Eris section).
I think if we can build out a nice wiki specific to Eris, it could be a proof-of-concept to entice others to join in (Eris as well as other devices) and make XDA the first and last stop for all Android rooting/modding/hacking/breaking/fixing/improving/ranting/hoping/*****ing/etc.
I think this is a great idea. I also am pretty new to this community but would love to contribute in any way that I can.
Would be pretty cool to have a theming section all about what images do what and where they are.
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I think this is a great idea. I also am pretty new to this community but would love to contribute in any way that I can.
Would be pretty cool to have a theming section all about what images do what and where they are.
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JokerSP3, glad to use all the help we can get. As a noob, I've been trying to build out the Eris wiki with little bits as I learn it. So if you'd like to help, just start adding info as you come across it to start filling in the blanks.
Will the 10.1 get full Cyanogenmod support?
yes, there are kang version of cm9 in this forum so you can test drive ice cream sandwich
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Will the 10.1 get full Cyanogenmod support?
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Will the 10.1 get full Cyanogenmod support?
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Go ask the cyanogenmod forums. I'm sure they'll be happy to give you an ETA.
Ignore that ^
Yes. Likely the Tab will get the first CM9 stable release.
Lol. I might be a bit of a noob when it comes to the development side of things, but I know better than to ask for an ETA.
Looking forward to the stable build of CM9.
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@slack04: Why do you always have to post stuff like what you've written above? I can understand that threads/posts that ask for easily obtainable information or simply troll around (not saying this thread is trolling, but a simple search would provide the necessary information) get on your nerves, but do posts like that really help anything? Instead of witty and sarcastic remarks, you could try leading by example. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've read a lot of posts by you which were written in a similar manner and I can't see how it helps anyone ...
@OP: As others have already answered, our device will get full CM9 support, it has been said a few times that the official alpha isn't out yet due to some non-technical problems (so I'm guessing they're legal ones). And, as it was also said before, you can try out the daily kangs in the development section to get a feel of where CM9 is right now.
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@slack04: Why do you always have to post stuff like what you've written above? I can understand that threads/posts that ask for easily obtainable information or simply troll around (not saying this thread is trolling, but a simple search would provide the necessary information) get on your nerves, but do posts like that really help anything? Instead of witty and sarcastic remarks, you could try leading by example. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've read a lot of posts by you which were written in a similar manner and I can't see how it helps anyone ....
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Well, I'll try to answer, but I'm probably wasting my breath (ok, my carpal tunnels).
This forum is essentially unmoderated. Stay with me, it will make sense in a moment. The mod occasionally rolls through and deletes a post or two and hands out a warning, but other than that he's left this forum to the dogs, which means that useless threads never get deleted or merged and trolls rarely get bumped. (OK, he moves questions to the Q+A forum, which is good--but thoroughly insufficient). As a result, it's impossible for anyone to browse to find any useful information because it gets buried under new threads asking the same 10 questions over and over (6 of which are truly useful questions that all new users need to know; the next 3 could be answered by reading the sticky in the dev thread, and the last 1 is a thinly disguised complaint about "lagginess"). Search is also ineffective for the same reason: there's thousands of useless threads with equally useless titles (this one is a good example...) that ask or say the same thing. As an archive of information for users of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which is what a good forum should end up being), this place is useless. So, while I might agree with you in a well-maintained forum where useless threads were regularly purged, here everything gets lost--useless threads with useless titles prevail. Which brings me to my point:
I thought I was leading by example. Follow along with me: we can stop the useless thread train by 1) not providing answers to easily searched questions) and 2) gently reminding users (many of whom are repeat offenders) that search engines are useful tools of the twenty-first century. If all the users did this (and the moderator became an active participant in the community), new (or lazy) users would eventually learn to search before creating new threads and title their threads in such a way as to make them useful to others. If users (and moderators) treated the forums as a reference archive, this place would blossom into a library of useful threads, new and old. Users would add to existing threads rather than creating new ones, and repetitive or troll threads would be deleted or merged. Forward-thinking users would update OPs with suggestions from the thread that worked, saving those of us that actually do use the search function the pain of slogging through deceptively-titled threads. Useful, positive threads would stay at the top instead of getting buried under mounds of comparisons to ipad threads; browsing the forum would be helpful and fun again. Unicorns would dance with leprechauns and Santa Claus would bring world peace. 12-year-old forum users would learn the difference between "your" and "you're" and would type out all four to six characters instead of using the idiot identifier: "ur." Crazy, I know.
Yikes! Um, what was I talking about again? Oh, yeah:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cyanogen+galaxy+tab+10.1
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Well, I'll try to answer, but I'm probably wasting my breath (ok, my carpal tunnels).
This forum is essentially unmoderated. Stay with me, it will make sense in a moment. The mod occasionally rolls through and deletes a post or two and hands out a warning, but other than that he's left this forum to the dogs, which means that useless threads never get deleted or merged and trolls rarely get bumped. (OK, he moves questions to the Q+A forum, which is good--but thoroughly insufficient). As a result, it's impossible for anyone to browse to find any useful information because it gets buried under new threads asking the same 10 questions over and over (6 of which are truly useful questions that all new users need to know; the next 3 could be answered by reading the sticky in the dev thread, and the last 1 is a thinly disguised complaint about "lagginess"). Search is also ineffective for the same reason: there's thousands of useless threads with equally useless titles (this one is a good example...) that ask or say the same thing. As an archive of information for users of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which is what a good forum should end up being), this place is useless. So, while I might agree with you in a well-maintained forum where useless threads were regularly purged, here everything gets lost--useless threads with useless titles prevail. Which brings me to my point:
I thought I was leading by example. Follow along with me: we can stop the useless thread train by 1) not providing answers to easily searched questions) and 2) gently reminding users (many of whom are repeat offenders) that search engines are useful tools of the twenty-first century. If all the users did this (and the moderator became an active participant in the community), new (or lazy) users would eventually learn to search before creating new threads and title their threads in such a way as to make them useful to others. If users (and moderators) treated the forums as a reference archive, this place would blossom into a library of useful threads, new and old. Users would add to existing threads rather than creating new ones, and repetitive or troll threads would be deleted or merged. Forward-thinking users would update OPs with suggestions from the thread that worked, saving those of us that actually do use the search function the pain of slogging through deceptively-titled threads. Useful, positive threads would stay at the top instead of getting buried under mounds of comparisons to ipad threads; browsing the forum would be helpful and fun again. Unicorns would dance with leprechauns and Santa Claus would bring world peace. 12-year-old forum users would learn the difference between "your" and "you're" and would type out all four to six characters instead of using the idiot identifier: "ur." Crazy, I know.
Yikes! Um, what was I talking about again? Oh, yeah:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cyanogen+galaxy+tab+10.1
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Alrighty, a good and logical (in it's own way) explanation - I can respect that. I also wish for some heavier moderation on the forums (even though we hijacked this one too, which isn't exactly nice and doesn't really support good ... erm ... forumship), and I agree with most of what you've stated above. Well, I'm probably more "forgiving" about syntax and semantic mistakes, since I know it can often be hard for us non-native speakers to speak and write perfect English (especially if we come from a non Germanic languages), and many people try their best but still get some words wrong. And the way I see it, how they write is their choice - some people want to dress nice, some people want to smell nice and some people want to make sure they speak and write nice. If it really gets on my nerves so much, I can just skip over those parts, it's not my position to judge that. I try to write correctly and make sure my thoughts actually come across and aren't lost (for the lack of better term) in translation (be it translation from my language to the one I'm writing in or simply translation of thoughts into words) but I know I sometimes fail miserably .
And who knows, maybe your post will even "wake up" the moderators to make a stronger appearance and it will change the forums for the better. I don't believe unicorns would ever dance with leprechauns though
This section of XDA has some of the strictest mods in my opinion. You are not a mod, do not act like one. Sometimes better to just not post.
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Alrighty, a good and logical (in it's own way) explanation - I can respect that. I also wish for some heavier moderation on the forums (even though we hijacked this one too, which isn't exactly nice and doesn't really support good ... erm ... forumship), and I agree with most of what you've stated above. Well, I'm probably more "forgiving" about syntax and semantic mistakes, since I know it can often be hard for us non-native speakers to speak and write perfect English (especially if we come from a non Germanic languages), and many people try their best but still get some words wrong. And the way I see it, how they write is their choice - some people want to dress nice, some people want to smell nice and some people want to make sure they speak and write nice. If it really gets on my nerves so much, I can just skip over those parts, it's not my position to judge that. I try to write correctly and make sure my thoughts actually come across and aren't lost (for the lack of better term) in translation (be it translation from my language to the one I'm writing in or simply translation of thoughts into words) but I know I sometimes fail miserably .
And who knows, maybe your post will even "wake up" the moderators to make a stronger appearance and it will change the forums for the better. I don't believe unicorns would ever dance with leprechauns though
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I'm glad we could find a middle ground. Just to be clear, though: I never mentioned -- nor even alluded to -- non-english speakers as a cause of problems. In fact I'm pretty sure the blame lies far more on english speakers and their (parents') weak education ethic.... But that's for some other forum (that I wouldn't be caught dead on).
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This section of XDA has some of the strictest mods in my opinion. You are not a mod, do not act like one. Sometimes better to just not post.
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With no disrespect to the moderators, I am seriously asking where I can find the forum rules that disallow discussion of what users here think is the "best" ROM and other subjects that aren't supposed to be discussed in the XDA forums, or more specifically in the Evo 3D section of those forums.
Primarily what I am looking for is the criteria used by the mods to delete posts or close threads, if it's not already included in the Forum & Marketplace Rules thread at the top of each forum. Those appear to be XDA wide policies but there are additional and more specific policies that seem to be applied by the mods for the Evo 3D section, and I'd really like to be able to find them documented somewhere, not only so I can understand them better, but also so I can point users that might not be aware of them to the proper documentation.
Thanks in advance.
ramjet73
I was suprised and unaware as well and would like to know what the criteria is and can be found also so that we don't get hit with infractions or ban.
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With no disrespect to the moderators, I am seriously asking where I can find the forum rules that disallow discussion of what users here think is the "best" ROM and other subjects that aren't supposed to be discussed in the XDA forums, or more specifically in the Evo 3D section of those forums.
Primarily what I am looking for is the criteria used by the mods to delete posts or close threads, if it's not already included in the Forum & Marketplace Rules thread at the top of each forum. Those appear to be XDA wide policies but there are additional and more specific policies that seem to be applied by the mods for the Evo 3D section, and I'd really like to be able to find them documented somewhere, not only so I can understand them better, but also so I can point users that might not be aware of them to the proper documentation.
Thanks in advance.
ramjet73
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Did some searching and found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31116562&postcount=18
Summary: They cause problems because everyone disagrees over what's best
Well thank you rob. That does explain why papa locked up the threads. It's a bummer though. It's for the best not to get into any conflicts or flame wars with users or devs alike.
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I was suprised and unaware as well and would like to know what the criteria is and can be found also so that we don't get hit with infractions or ban.
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Me too. I just searched for threads in this forum with "best rom" in the title and there were 76 hits just in Q&A, most of which are still open.
A lot of people are still confused about the kernel that can't be discussed on XDA. My understanding is that XDA management considers it "warez" and regardless of how we feel about that personally it is excluded by the policy at the top of each forum. But I can't find anything that documents that for new users who ask about it, which is why I asked for clarification of policy in the OP of this thread. I really don't want to have to tell other users that it's warez because that's XDA's call, not mine.
ramjet73
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Did some searching and found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31116562&postcount=18
Summary: They cause problems because everyone disagrees over what's best
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That looks the like the opinion of one moderator, which others may share, rather than anything that can be referenced as policy. I've participated in a number of threads discussing the pros and cons of various ROM's and they are usually quite civil.
However, if the mods agree those threads aren't acceptable, IMO that should be documented as policy and the many existing threads on that topic should all be closed or deleted so users don't get confused.
ramjet73
Last time I check we live a free society, I believe in freedom of speech is on the list in a democracy, we do understand rules should be followed, but you must also understand that we are here to improve our android experience and our phones, I also believe it is wrong that you allow ungoing issues with bootloops and crashes that are out of control in the gsm development threads to continue, we are trying to help our fellow evo user to have the best possible experience as possible, are crashes and bootloops part of that experience? Who's in the wrong? By denying us the ability to help others is wrong and ineffect that is what you have done
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
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Last time I check we live a free society, I believe in freedom of speech is on the list in a democracy, we do understand rules should be followed, but you must also understand that we are here to improve our android experience and our phones, I also believe it is wrong that you allow ungoing issues with bootloops and crashes that are out of control in the gsm development threads to continue, we are trying to help our fellow evo user to have the best possible experience as possible, are crashes and bootloops part of that experience? Who's in the wrong? By denying us the ability to help others is wrong and ineffect that is what you have done
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
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Not to be a jerk but freedom of speech doesnt really apply here. However it does suck that they prevent people from getting the help they need, especially on a forum meant for that purpose
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Not to be a jerk but freedom of speech doesnt really apply here. However it does suck that they prevent people from getting the help they need, especially on a forum meant for that purpose
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XDA is not a democracy, so knowing the rules is important, but it's hard to know them if they are not documented. That's all I'm asking.
Not all of us are going to agree with the policies, but once they are communicated it is our responsibility to respect them or go elsewhere to get support for our phones.
I think it would help if the moderators would link or quote the policies they are enforcing when they close threads.
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XDA is not a democracy, so knowing the rules is important, but it's hard to know them if they are not documented. That's all I'm asking.
Not all of us are going to agree with the policies, but once they are communicated it is our responsibility to respect them or go elsewhere to get support for our phones.
I think it would help if the moderators would link the policies they are enforcing when they close threads.
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I agree. They should post a sticky or something because users shouldnt have to search for other threads, some that are open and some that closed, to guess the rule, or find out when the thread gets closed.
I just get touchy about when people claim freedom of speech all the time
We who have grown up in a free society take freedom of speech for granted, but I will or don't want to get into a politcal debate, just want an answer to ramjets post.
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I do hold the same beliefs as flash and do respect the rules and policies like ram does. Its true that there are some things I don't agree with and my intentions were purely to help people the best I can like the rest of us in this post and the many users out there. I was unaware of the reason why that kernel was not allowed for discussion. I did notice that a flood of gsm users were having the same issues with crashes and bootloops. It's crazy and its our job to help them. Are we really wrong for trying?
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I do hold the same beliefs as flash and do respect the rules and policies like ram does. Its true that there are some things I don't agree with and my intentions were purely to help people the best I can like the rest of us in this post and the many users out there. I was unaware of the reason why that kernel was not allowed for discussion. I did notice that a flood of gsm users were having the same issues with crashes and bootloops. It's crazy and its our job to help them. Are we really wrong for trying?
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No we are not wrong for trying to help . There is a big difference between helping a fellow android user and flaming , I have a dilema, do I help a fellow user by suggesting they try a different kernel or rom, which will cure they're issues or do I sit back and let them drown, in xda eyes, let them drown, Makes no sense. All you have to do is go into the gsm development threads and even a visually impaired person can figure out why everyone is having bootloops and crashes, is that fair?
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
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We who have grown up in a free society take freedom of speech for granted, but I will or don't want to get into a politcal debate, just want an answer to ramjets post.
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
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Freedom to type is not on the list lol.......I think we will be able to discuss anything if xda starts a voice chat service.
Instead of a weekly "what's the best Rom thread" that can cause arguing, maybe a single "what Rom are you running and why" thread. Sort of like the Jelly Bean discussion thread. Just a thought.
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Now that's a good idea Coal. :good:
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Instead of a weekly "what's the best Rom thread" that can cause arguing, maybe a single "what Rom are you running and why" thread. Sort of like the Jelly Bean discussion thread. Just a thought.
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Now that's a good idea Coal. :good:
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I agree.
That doesn't address the larger issue of transparency and consistency in how posts and threads are handled in the Evo 3D forums, but at least it would give users a chance to get opinions about various ROM's.
ramjet73
Yeah I kinda tripped out on this as well I haven't been on for about a year mostly just being a "lurker" but in the OG Forum and I never seen it till I came here
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I agree.
That doesn't address the larger issue of transparency and consistency in how posts and threads are handled in the Evo 3D forums, but at least it would give users a chance to get opinions about various ROM's.
ramjet73
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The policy should be really simple. Discuss whatever (relevant to the 3d and android), but don't act like a jerk. I've noticed that these forums are relatively cordial now for the most part, minus the occasional flare up of stupidity.
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It looks like none of the mods are willing to address my question in the OP but another perfectly civil thread asking about ROM's was just closed with the advice to try them all instead of asking others for their experiences.
If all the mods feel the same way about the threads that were closed as the one that closed them I'm really disappointed. I was hoping someone might give him a different perspective on the value of those threads.
ramjet73
Ok. So I have thought about doing this for a long time and always have a reason why I haven't done it. I also still have plenty of reservations with it, but I trust it will go well.
What this is:
Ask questions to the moderation team here in the 3d forum. Mostly me. I can't say the others will participate in this thread, as they are not required to. We don't have to talk about a lot of what goes on and I will not force them to. I digress.
If you are confused about a certain rule, or just want clarification, come here. If you want guidance on how to approach a certain situation (this mostly for me), you can come here.
What this isn't:
A place to discuss in detail why someone was banned. Also we will not discuss the banning of people in the past. I will not usually talk about why someone was infracted. Those are all personal details, and will be left as such. Also this is not a place to flame the moderators or anyone else.
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This is my attempt to be fairly transparent with the user base. Most everyone here who knows me, knows that I am willing to talk to just about anyone, and am easy to get a long with. As long as you keep this a civil thread, it will remain. This isn't something that is required, I'm doing it to hopefully bring about some civility in this forum. We don't do things in secret, we just don't talk about it publicly usually.
You work with me, I will work with you.
Savvy?
Thanks to ramjet73 for encouraging me to go ahead and do this.
I too will participate and have subscribed to this thread. As most know I'm not secretive and don't hold alliances with a lot of devs here in 3d land. I tell it like it is and don't let anyone bash another member or previous member for that matter. As long as this is civil I will be as well. Let's play nice and all get along. Remember everyone we are all here to tweak our phones, run the latest software, have the coolest stuff, have fun, and share in our hobby. Nobody here is paid to be here at all so there is no reason to fight cause it gets u no where.
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What they said ^
Also, as I am often seen as the more angry mod (I'm doing my best to curtail that), hopefully I'll be able to eloquently explain the reasons for my shortness.
Carry on.
Where do babies come from?? HAHAHAHA
Obviously I'm joking BUT I do have a serious question.
Why does the search feature go down once a day??
I know a lot of noobs don't notice this because they don't search BUT I use it all day long and I know I'm not the only one that finds this annoying!
Just a few questions. I'm not sure if these fall under the questions that are allowed to be asked, but:
1.] Is Agrabren simply not allowed to post CDMA builds anymore? I still don't truly understand the path his CDMA development has gone, it seems to come and go.
2.] To my understanding there are false GPL claims being made against him. How exactly are those claims made/handled? Is it an automated system? If not, wouldn't it be possible to tell which claims being made are just trolls?
3.] How do you guys put up with the drama so well? I would have lost my mind a long time ago :crying:
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Thanks to pstevep and papa smurf151 for opening this thread.
I'll try to start this in the spirit that I think it was intended by asking the mods what is the best way to handle a post that has been made in the wrong forum, something that rarely happens in the Evo 3d forums.
We don't want to discourage new users that might not know better, but there are detailed guidelines posted for the development forum by papa smurf151 as a sticky in that forum, and general guidelines for new threads in the Forum & Marketplace Rules post at the top of each forum.
In your opinions, is it appropriate to link those guidelines when a post is misplaced or better to just reference them and let the users find them on their own? It's a good exercise to find them yourself when you are not even aware that they exist, but sometimes that discourages users from actually reading them.
This may sound trivial so far, but my real question is whether or not we should report these posts. Is it helpful to the mods to report posts, or better to just wait until someone gets around to reviewing the new threads.
On a broader scale, when would you recommend that we report posts versus just leaving it to the mods to handle them?
ramjet73
This was a great idea. I just want to say thank you to ramjet, pvstepup, and papasmurf for allowing a chance for normal members to come together and let members have a chance to clear the air of any matters that maybe unclear. This is one is for papasmurf: I notice more recently that you have locked quite a few threads with all having something to do with opinions of what's the best Rom or kernel. Now many of us get the idea that you are preventing flaming wars and trying to keep things civil. Myself and many others are wondering, is our hunches accurate?
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Just a few questions. I'm not sure if these fall under the questions that are allowed to be asked, but:
1.] Is Agrabren simply not allowed to post CDMA builds anymore? I still don't truly understand the path his CDMA development has gone, it seems to come and go.
2.] To my understanding there are false GPL claims being made against him. How exactly are those claims made/handled? Is it an automated system? If not, wouldn't it be possible to tell which claims being made are just trolls?
3.] How do you guys put up with the drama so well? I would have lost my mind a long time ago :crying:
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1. From my understanding he has taken his cdma builds off xda to let things chill for awhile. When things get heated sometimes the best course of action is to cool off and let time resolve the situation
2. Even though there are devs not on xda we do exchange emails or talk on other forums...sometimes even gtalk. The real gpl complaints come that way as well as from pm with specific issues linked and evidence given. Simply saying he's breaking the rules with no proof gets u no where with the mod team
3. Actually 99% of the time we have nothing go do and that's a good thing. At times we simply go into threads...clean them up and leave a warning. If it gets bad then u take further actions. Keeping a cool head and having to remain neutral helps to not get so mad since u don't take sides its easier. If it gets personal or u r personally involved that's when u step aside and let ur fellow mods help. We r all a big team and work together
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Where do babies come from?? HAHAHAHA
Obviously I'm joking BUT I do have a serious question.
Why does the search feature go down once a day??
I know a lot of noobs don't notice this because they don't search BUT I use it all day long and I know I'm not the only one that finds this annoying!
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U see when ur mom was hot I meet her at this hotel...I have pictures if u want details and well 9 months later we had a son named alex. I was ashamed of him so I left....lmso jk man.
Search = bang head against wall.
We really have no control of it. Its a server issue I think
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Papa Smurf151 said:
U see when ur mom was hot I meet her at this hotel...I have pictures if u want details and well 9 months later we had a son named alex. I was ashamed of him so I left....lmso jk man.
Search = bang head against wall.
We really have no control of it. Its a server issue I think
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Thanks.......DAD??!?? HAHAHAHAHHA
ramjet73 said:
Thanks to pstevep and papa smurf151 for opening this thread.
I'll try to start this in the spirit that I think it was intended by asking the mods what is the best way to handle a post that has been made in the wrong forum, something that rarely happens in the Evo 3d forums.
We don't want to discourage new users that might not know better, but there are detailed guidelines posted for the development forum by papa smurf151 as a sticky in that forum, and general guidelines for new threads in the Forum & Marketplace Rules post at the top of each forum.
In your opinions, is it appropriate to link those guidelines when a post is misplaced or better to just reference them and let the users find them on their own? It's a good exercise to find them yourself when you are not even aware that they exist, but sometimes that discourages users from actually reading them.
This may sound trivial so far, but my real question is whether or not we should report these posts. Is it helpful to the mods to report posts, or better to just wait until someone gets around to reviewing the new threads.
On a broader scale, when would you recommend that we report posts versus just leaving it to the mods to handle them?
ramjet73
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Ok if ud like please post a link in the thread posted in wrong section to my guidelines and then report.
id rather come hone from work with 15 reported posts then to search around and see a flame war over something really stupid and trivial.
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This was a great idea. I just want to say thank you to ramjet, pvstepup, and papasmurf for allowing a chance for normal members to come together and let members have a chance to clear the air of any matters that maybe unclear. This is one is for papasmurf: I notice more recently that you have locked quite a few threads with all having something to do with opinions of what's the best Rom or kernel. Now many of us get the idea that you are preventing flaming wars and trying to keep things civil. Myself and many others are wondering, is our hunches accurate?
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Yup ur spot on. In my dealing with these threads they turn ugly real fast. Devs get feelings hurt. Fan boys bash others roms or promote their favs. Its really all opinion and u know what they say about opinions. My suggestion is don't participate. In the og evo section we've instigated this rule and its prevented countless fights and clean up work for the mods
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Mazda said:
Where do babies come from?? HAHAHAHA
Obviously I'm joking BUT I do have a serious question.
Why does the search feature go down once a day??
I know a lot of noobs don't notice this because they don't search BUT I use it all day long and I know I'm not the only one that finds this annoying!
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Xda search is a google custom search, if it's down I just use google which typically yields similar results. I'm for real not trolling.
ramjet73 said:
Thanks to pstevep and papa smurf151 for opening this thread.
I'll try to start this in the spirit that I think it was intended by asking the mods what is the best way to handle a post that has been made in the wrong forum, something that rarely happens in the Evo 3d forums.
We don't want to discourage new users that might not know better, but there are detailed guidelines posted for the development forum by papa smurf151 as a sticky in that forum, and general guidelines for new threads in the Forum & Marketplace Rules post at the top of each forum.
In your opinions, is it appropriate to link those guidelines when a post is misplaced or better to just reference them and let the users find them on their own? It's a good exercise to find them yourself when you are not even aware that they exist, but sometimes that discourages users from actually reading them.
This may sound trivial so far, but my real question is whether or not we should report these posts. Is it helpful to the mods to report posts, or better to just wait until someone gets around to reviewing the new threads.
On a broader scale, when would you recommend that we report posts versus just leaving it to the mods to handle them?
ramjet73
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Please please please please use report. There's only 3 of us fsm, plus pstevep. We can't see it all thread wise since we all moderate more than just this forum, but we can see the reports (and faster). PM's work too.
And I thought babies came from the cabbage patch. It's at least cool to have 1 thread for drama. ie. V6 supercharger
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Where did the zero tolerance threads go?
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Where did the zero tolerance threads go?
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It was retired. It was never meant to be here forever. It was a tool to calm things down. It worked and the reins were loosened as we do not like being dictators but will if need be.
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Mazda said:
Where do babies come from?? HAHAHAHA
Obviously I'm joking BUT I do have a serious question.
Why does the search feature go down once a day??
I know a lot of noobs don't notice this because they don't search BUT I use it all day long and I know I'm not the only one that finds this annoying!
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Oh the lovely search. It actually goes down when our custom cache gets corrupted on the server. Then our server guy has to rebuild cache which takes several hours typically. It's annoying for everyone, especially the server guy.
DarkRazorZ said:
Just a few questions. I'm not sure if these fall under the questions that are allowed to be asked, but:
1.] Is Agrabren simply not allowed to post CDMA builds anymore? I still don't truly understand the path his CDMA development has gone, it seems to come and go.
2.] To my understanding there are false GPL claims being made against him. How exactly are those claims made/handled? Is it an automated system? If not, wouldn't it be possible to tell which claims being made are just trolls?
3.] How do you guys put up with the drama so well? I would have lost my mind a long time ago :crying:
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Lord how did I know this type of question would be at the beginning.
1. He could post his CDMA build if he wanted to. Gpl wise he provides source. However due to circumstances that everyone is aware it is not being posted for the good of everyone involved. I told him that if he isn't going to post it though, we can't have it accessible from anything on here. Believe me for right now it's the greater good.
2. When a gpl claim is reported its handled ostensibly like any other report. Except that usually a senior mod and or a member of the dev committee is brought in to look at it. If there are any issues we address them with the dev in question. Agrabren's issues were looked into and addressed appropriately. Sometimes yes its easy to know when it's just trolling, but not always, it's a serious matter so we tend to take it seriously.
3. I honestly think my 3 year old had a lot to do with it for me. Calmed me down, made me more patient. Plus I'm the type of person who likes to fix things so I tend to try and defuse situations by nature. I think everyone deserves respect, and if you talk to me I will talk to you. If you work with me, i will work with you. I want what's best for the community.
Hope that helps.
ramjet73 said:
Thanks to pstevep and papa smurf151 for opening this thread.
I'll try to start this in the spirit that I think it was intended by asking the mods what is the best way to handle a post that has been made in the wrong forum, something that rarely happens in the Evo 3d forums.
We don't want to discourage new users that might not know better, but there are detailed guidelines posted for the development forum by papa smurf151 as a sticky in that forum, and general guidelines for new threads in the Forum & Marketplace Rules post at the top of each forum.
In your opinions, is it appropriate to link those guidelines when a post is misplaced or better to just reference them and let the users find them on their own? It's a good exercise to find them yourself when you are not even aware that they exist, but sometimes that discourages users from actually reading them.
This may sound trivial so far, but my real question is whether or not we should report these posts. Is it helpful to the mods to report posts, or better to just wait until someone gets around to reviewing the new threads.
On a broader scale, when would you recommend that we report posts versus just leaving it to the mods to handle them?
ramjet73
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Just report instantly. Or you can pm me directly. I don't always see the reported posts as much as I'm mobile 75% of the time. I have a lot of gut feelings that pay off and I'm in the right place at the right time. I also have devs (not as much in the 3d forum) that will gtalk me when something is going down. But report as soon as you see it is the best Option.
EDIT: as for wrong posting. You can instruct the person politely that they are in the wrong forum, but still report so we can move it. Does that help?
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Please please please please use report. There's only 3 of us fsm, plus pstevep. We can't see it all thread wise since we all moderate more than just this forum, but we can see the reports (and faster). PM's work too.
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Where the heck have you been? There are 6 in here now not counting me. Granted one is fairly inactive, but still 6 listed.
Yeah six fsm in here but 3 fsm that are active at all.
plus u of course
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il Duce said:
What they said ^
Also, as I am often seen as the more angry mod (I'm doing my best to curtail that), hopefully I'll be able to eloquently explain the reasons for my shortness.
Carry on.
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Why are you the angry mod? Was it something from your childhood?
In all seriousness, I don't see how you're considered the angry mod. You've always been helpful. In fact, I've noticed in the teamd3rp Q&A, you're one of the only ones answering questions.
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Why can't I find the anthrax kernel here I used to use it on meanrom but now I can't find it anywhere! I my opinion there is no better kernel.
That sucker flew not to mention I hate the stock kernel!
So could you point me to the anthrax GB kernel that would be great or at least who makes it! I only remember the name of it because it has the same name of my favorite band.
coal686 said:
Why are you the angry mod? Was it something from your childhood?
In all seriousness, I don't see how you're considered the angry mod. You've always been helpful. In fact, I've noticed in the teamd3rp Q&A, you're one of the only ones answering questions.
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Because I go off on people.
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Why can't I find the anthrax kernel here I used to use it on meanrom but now I can't find it anywhere! I my opinion there is no better kernel.
That sucker flew not to mention I hate the stock kernel!
So could you point me to the anthrax GB kernel that would be great or at least who makes it! I only remember the name of it because it has the same name of my favorite band.
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See attached
Hey all, new to the forums. I was glancing around the general/Faq sub forums for info about what/where different releases are posted (whether in the "Original Android Dev" sub forum or just the "Android Dev" sub forum).
What is the difference? I see ROM's/Recoveries/Kernels posted in each and they all appear to be similar in design.
Could someone tell me how retarded I am for not knowing this and then kindly tell me? Lol, appreciate the help. Just trying to make sense of the two sections differences.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
Since I am below the required post count to "thank you", doing it with this post. Sorry to be misinformed about the forum features. The article made it very clear. Thank you!
icebox4u said:
Since I am below the required post count to "thank you", doing it with this post. Sorry to be misinformed about the forum features. The article made it very clear. Thank you!
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If you find them too "similar" sell your s3 and move on to a different device otherwise quit your whining....
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speedyjay said:
If you find them too "similar" sell your s3 and move on to a different device otherwise quit your whining....
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Sorry to miss anywhere I'm "whining". You must have me confused with your girlfriend. Get some counseling or move on brother.
icebox4u said:
Sorry to miss anywhere I'm "whining". You must have me confused with your girlfriend. Get some counseling or move on brother.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got
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Dude seriously? That was conceived as *****ing? You need some help man. That was a request for clarification. I wasn't complaining or *****ing.
Go take some PMS pills. It'll help you from making rage comments that make no sense.
speedyjay said:
I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got, and I'm not your brother!
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Why are you whining he asked a simple question help or do not say anything, You are wasting your time and the person who asked. Why bother just because you have a higher post count doesn't mean you should bully people. This question has not been asked before not in the S3 Threads anyway. Just answer the question and move on and stop acting like a 10 year old.
Anyway back to the topic in hand. Original is what it says in the box it is an original not a copy. So if you were to build your own rom for example from the android source and compile it and add your own made mods like Cyanogen mod do then that is regarded as an original ROM and Development. Or like chainfire he makes apps and recoveries that he made and no one else, like for example Tringle Away or CF root. These are his original mods and recoveries they are original and his own creation. Those are ''ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT''..
Android Development is taking an already made Rom that Samsung has already made like XXDLJ4 it is already made by the company. Developers from the XDA community then take this rom and tare it apart and make it smaller or add their own mods to an already built rom. This is regarded as android development.
I might be wrong but at least that is what i believe what it is. If someone else can explain it better please do.
Thanks Meemo, that's kind of the jest I got from the link above as well. I appreciate the clarification. Sorry a request for clarification and even being humble about it is considered "*****ing" by some people.
icebox4u said:
Thanks Meemo, that's kind of the jest I got from the link above as well. I appreciate the clarification. Sorry a request for clarification and even being humble about it is considered "*****ing" by some people.
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Not a problem my friend just be warned that this forum used to be friendly before but now all people do whine about everything. I mean i can understand that people constantly ask the same question and what not. But it doesn't mean you should whine and raise your post count. If it is getting to you just ignore it.
Anyway i found this in the link he provided,
The following are most likely “Original Development”:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)
No, I understand. That's still no reason for a member who's been here for a year+ to call someone looking for information in an honest way *****ing.
(I welcome any mod to reset my post count to 0, as I am not here to raise that, it is simply one of the two forums I'm permitted to post in). I'm not *****ing. I'm also not whining.
I also didn't start (edited: crap) with anyone here and don't plan too, but I would also appreciate those attacking me to at least make sense.
Thanks again for the info. Duly noted, and in the future I will make greater efforts to discover information on my own instead of putting myself in a position that could be labeled as *****ing, although I'm clearly not.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got, and I'm not your brother!
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Take your chill pill seriously, read the topic again and understand it then go insult somebody else not in this forum.
Being aggressive to 'noobs' is against the rules.. you know that right?
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No, I understand. That's still no reason for a member who's been here for a year+ to call someone looking for information in an honest way *****ing.
(I welcome any mod to reset my post count to 0, as I am not here to raise that, it is simply one of the two forums I'm permitted to post in). I'm not *****ing. I'm also not whining.
I also didn't start sh*t with anyone here and don't plan too, but I would also appreciate those attacking me to at least make sense.
Thanks again for the info. Duly noted, and in the future I will make greater efforts to discover information on my own instead of putting myself in a position that could be labeled as *****ing, although I'm clearly not.
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Don't worry lol i wasn't directing that one on you mate was for the other guy you're good..
Skander1998 said:
Take your chill pill seriously, read the topic again and understand it then go insult somebody else not in this forum.
Being aggressive to 'noobs' is against the rules.. you know that right?
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Failing to bother to read the rules is against the rules .
Right at the beginning of the first post the rules .
For more information on the Original Android Development section check out this portal post
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1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
So absolutely no excuse for someone noob or not to navigate past the rules past the stickied FAQS and GUIDES and past the search button to post a repetitive question .
jje
Sigh. Thinking this forum isn't for me. Lot of ppl too butthurt over those asking questions THAT FORUMS LIKE THESE ARE ESTABLISHED FOR. Christ ppl.
I did search. That's all the "rules" state. It doesn't say how many times, or how long I should do it, but that I should. So I did. Rule not broken.
Also, I didn't circumvent ANY sticky to this sub forum or neglect to read the guides posted HERE.
Once again, I'd appreciate it if those that, even passively suggest, that I violated rules, *****ed, or whined would at least make sense.
Both of you viloated the rules. You didnt look very hard even if you searched. He didnt read and got snappy with you. You started using language which isnt allowed.
JJEgan isnt butt hurt. Dont even say i am when you read this either cuz i am not.
These forums arent to help noobs or their laziness to find what has been placed right in front of them. I wonder why it is called XDA-Developers???
**Cough**Cough**
I'ts a developer forum not a support forum. While we do help people that need it and actually try and hold them selfs up, we only do it for the ones that try first. Not the ones that want everything handed to them.
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Failing to bother to read the rules is against the rules .
Right at the beginning of the first post the rules .
For more information on the Original Android Development section check out this portal post
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1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
So absolutely no excuse for someone noob or not to navigate past the rules past the stickied FAQS and GUIDES and past the search button to post a repetitive question .
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Thanks JJE
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Both of you viloated the rules. You didnt look very hard even if you searched. He didnt read and got snappy with you. You started using language which isnt allowed.
JJEgan isnt butt hurt. Dont even say i am when you read this either cuz i am not.
These forums arent to help noobs or their laziness to find what has been placed right in front of them. I wonder why it is called XDA-Developers???
**Cough**Cough**
I'ts a developer forum not a support forum. While we do help people that need it and actually try and hold them selfs up, we only do it for the ones that try first. Not the ones that want everything handed to them.
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Developers huh? What have you developed? Probably 90% of the members of this forum have never looked at a line of code. Give me a break.
Laziness is a very subjective term. I take it that you've searched for hours on end on every subject you seek knowledge on before creating a thread? No. You haven't. No one does. Or has the time too. If you can find the answer to my initial post in a sticky to this sub forum, you let me know. I'll stand corrected.
I don't want anything "handed" to me. I've been a productive member of society for more than 30 years and I didn't get there by people "handing" me anything. I asked for information in a forum. If no one wants to answer because it's physically challenging, or don't have the time, or feel like they are "handing" me something, then they don't have to answer. Get it? It's a free country. Someone else can answer, or not answer. I'm not hurting anyone or anything typing on a keyboard in a forum.
So stop acting like I rewrote The Constitution. I never violated a "search" rule.
Eek it's a flame war, run away run away!
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Developers huh? What have you developed? Probably 90% of the members of this forum have never looked at a line of code. Give me a break.
Laziness is a very subjective term. I take it that you've searched for hours on end on every subject you seek knowledge on before creating a thread? No. You haven't. No one does. Or has the time too. If you can find the answer to my initial post in a sticky to this sub forum, you let me know. I'll stand corrected.
I don't want anything "handed" to me. I've been a productive member of society for more than 30 years and I didn't get there by people "handing" me anything. I asked for information in a forum. If no one wants to answer because it's physically challenging, or don't have the time, or feel like they are "handing" me something, then they don't have to answer. Get it? It's a free country. Someone else can answer, or not answer. I'm not hurting anyone or anything typing on a keyboard in a forum.
So stop acting like I rewrote The Constitution. I never violated a "search" rule.
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Well just use some common sense to realise the difference between android development and android original development. We're not here to babysit you. And if you looked closely, the difference is....AOSP for android original development and Sammy based roms for android development....
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