The Moto Photon 4G is coming out this month and It's specs are basically a carbon copy of Atrix with a few minor changes. My question is if anyone knows if you will be able to use the Atrix unlocking method for the photon as well. I love the atrix now that the bootloader is unlocked but would pre fer to go with sprint and their photon 4g. One last thing I have never owned a moto because of their locked bootloader policy so this is very important to me
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The Moto Photon 4G is coming out this month and It's specs are basically a carbon copy of Atrix with a few minor changes. My question is if anyone knows if you will be able to use the Atrix unlocking method for the photon as well. I love the atrix now that the bootloader is unlocked but would pre fer to go with sprint and their photon 4g. One last thing I have never owned a moto because of their locked bootloader policy so this is very important to me
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I promise you it won't work.
Like the first poster said, it won't work. But since they retroactively unlocked their own bootloader (or will officially do so very soon) on the Atrix, I would imagine an upcoming phone of the Photon's calibur would surely be unlocked at least soon after its release. Just my speculation though..
Photon looks great on paper and will compete with SGS2 but only if bootloader is unlocked. I really hope it is because I'm ready to retire my G1. Don't laugh I gots Gingerbread on it
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Photon looks great on paper and will compete with SGS2 but only if bootloader is unlocked. I really hope it is because I'm ready to retire my G1. Don't laugh I gots Gingerbread on it
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I honestly don't think anything coming out so far can compete with the sgs2. I had one and traded it for my atrix and an asus transformer. The atrix feels slow in comparison in my opinion. Hopefully now that the bootloader is unlocked we can get se great roms cooked up by the great devs.
I'm not trying to be rude in any way but just giving my opinion. My gripe with the sgs2 is that with its shape it just doesn't feel comfy to hold. Almost too square and too thin.
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donharden2002 said:
I honestly don't think anything coming out so far can compete with the sgs2. I had one and traded it for my atrix and an asus transformer. The atrix feels slow in comparison in my opinion. Hopefully now that the bootloader is unlocked we can get se great roms cooked up by the great devs.
I'm not trying to be rude in any way but just giving my opinion. My gripe with the sgs2 is that with its shape it just doesn't feel comfy to hold. Almost too square and too thin.
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Where did you get your SGS2? Also was reading today that SGS2 pass through FCC with tegra2!! If phandroid is right the SGS2 will have the same hardware as photon and atrix. Either way custom roms make ahuge difference
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the photon looks pretty good specs-wise. bigger screen (although lower pixel density since its same res), better camera and gingerbread.
only downside is the lower pixel density and no fingerprint sensor... but the benefits are almost enough to make me regret buying my atrix now. i guess i'll be fine as long as we do get gingerbread OTA.
I don't see why people are so caught up over root... I saw like a 5% performance difference from the slowest Sense ROM to the fastest AOSP ROM on the Evo 4G... If my Evo 4G was as fast as my brother's Epic 4G, I would have never rooted it.
My guess is that most people want to get free WiFi tethering...
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I don't see why people are so caught up over root... I saw like a 5% performance difference from the slowest Sense ROM to the fastest AOSP ROM on the Evo 4G... If my Evo 4G was as fast as my brother's Epic 4G, I would have never rooted it.
My guess is that most people want to get free WiFi tethering...
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I agree!!! My evo was so up and down performance wise after so many flashes that i really am gonna leave the photon if i get it stock regardless if bootloader gets unlocked. I've rooted lots of phones and honestly with all the flashing of radios roms, recoveries etc... the phone just goes to sh*t eventually that even a ruu or unroot cannot fix. And honestly the gains when legitimately measured are not all that impressive usually compared to stock conterparts. Who cares about MFLOPS and benchmarks! Its a phone not a PS3! I mean with all the launchers and custom themes available without root that obviously isn't the reason most people root which custom roms r usually heavily themed. With a tegra dual core how much r u really getting out of that extra 300 mhz other than excessive heat and wear and tear. SBC charging is a good way to blow up ur phone. In the end of the day a phone should just work and if it ain't broken my opinion is why mess with it when it inevitably will develop problems. Of course everyone has their opinion but IMHO rooting is a bit overrated.
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I agree!!! My evo was so up and down performance wise after so many flashes that i really am gonna leave the photon if i get it stock regardless if bootloader gets unlocked. I've rooted lots of phones and honestly with all the flashing of radios roms, recoveries etc... the phone just goes to sh*t eventually that even a ruu or unroot cannot fix. And honestly the gains when legitimately measured are not all that impressive usually compared to stock conterparts. Who cares about MFLOPS and benchmarks! Its a phone not a PS3! I mean with all the launchers and custom themes available without root that obviously isn't the reason most people root which custom roms r usually heavily themed. With a tegra dual core how much r u really getting out of that extra 300 mhz other than excessive heat and wear and tear. SBC charging is a good way to blow up ur phone. In the end of the day a phone should just work and if it ain't broken my opinion is why mess with it when it inevitably will develop problems. Of course everyone has their opinion but IMHO rooting is a bit overrated.
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But I needz teh rootz ;-)
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I don't see why people are so caught up over root... I saw like a 5% performance difference from the slowest Sense ROM to the fastest AOSP ROM on the Evo 4G... If my Evo 4G was as fast as my brother's Epic 4G, I would have never rooted it.
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there is more to rooting than installing roms. people root for apps like titanium backup, root explorer, adblock and clockwork recovery just to name a few. Any one of those apps justifies the need for root. i wouldnt buy a phone i cant root and install titanium backup to get rid of all the bloatware. i can live without the unlock bootloader but would never of bought the Atrix if there was no root.
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I don't see why people are so caught up over root... I saw like a 5% performance difference from the slowest Sense ROM to the fastest AOSP ROM on the Evo 4G... If my Evo 4G was as fast as my brother's Epic 4G, I would have never rooted it.
My guess is that most people want to get free WiFi tethering...
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You are entitled to your opinion.
This is a developer's forum and I spend hours everyday reading up on all the possibilities that these devs have opened up to me. Spend some time reading and you would be surprised at what you might find. I have a distro of Linux running from my sdcard-ext.
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Ill be practical and name a few of the "whys" for an unlocked Atrix, from a user's perspective.
Overclock. There are games heavy enough to need it (Galaxy on Fire 2, Im looking at you) and it improves webtop performance. On that topic...
Webtop. Full Ubuntu, yey. Of course, if you dont have a lapdock, you'd probably be better off with the SGS2. If you do, you can imagine what another 0.4ghz can do to your linux performance.
HDMI mirroring. So far hasnt been achieved (at least not in landscape mode), but playing games in a big screen sounds really tasty, so it will come as a delicious boost.
So while I agree most phones dont need it, or benefit that much from it, the Atrix specifically certainly do.
And on older phones, remember, most of them would not be on gingerbread if not for Cyanogen and crew.
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Let me start by saying I own a Nexus s on voodoo clocked at 1.4ghz 2780 Quadrant and a streak on djstreak rom im a power user and a Evo 4g mikfroyo rom Toastmod.Now I paid 550$ outright for this beast 2 days ago just to give it a spin but I read its bootloader might be locked and let's face it guys this beast needs a rom period no? Asked.Now my question is will we at some point see a rom or cracked bootloader or is this beast a fail? And if so should I just pick up a ip4 just for its Nice games or should I wait for the roms if you think this will get them because the Droid x did and it has the same lock on the bootloader right?
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For everyone on this forums sake, I hope that you get rid of it. I don't think anyone here wants to deal with your constant whiny posting and trolling. This post is literally useless, and you either have no free-thought for yourself, or you're trolling just like you've been doing for the last week. I hope you get rid of the phone, and in doing so some Libyan national comes out of ****ing nowhere and cuts your arms off so we don't have to deal with your posting anymore.
I think you should wait for the iPhone 27. Definitely.
We all get it your a goddamn power user, developer, gamer. You put those words in ever single freaking post.
I echo everything else that has been said with exception of the OP..
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Let me start by saying I own a Nexus s on voodoo clocked at 1.4ghz 2780 Quadrant and a streak on djstreak rom im a power user and a Evo 4g mikfroyo rom Toastmod.Now I paid 550$ outright for this beast 2 days ago just to give it a spin but I read its bootloader might be locked and let's face it guys this beast needs a rom period no? Asked.Now my question is will we at some point see a rom or cracked bootloader or is this beast a fail? And if so should I just pick up a ip4 just for its Nice games or should I wait for the roms if you think this will get them because the Droid x did and it has the same lock on the bootloader right?
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Returned mine and picked up an Inspire 4g. So much better. The only 2 things the Atrix has on it are speaker volume and battery life.
The Inspire is faster (overclocked to 1.2-1.5ghz depending on your battery/risk factor). Everything runs so much smoother. Screen is bright and colorful, power button isn't in the worst spot ever. Screen is bigger but with a more popular (supported) resolution. Rooted and fully rom customizable. Camera doesn't completely suck. Sense > Motoblur all day long, and this is my first time with either (My first ever Android phone was the Atrix, now the inspire).
I could keep going on, but if you can deal with the battery life and lower volume speaker, return your Atrix and get an Inspire, you won't be disappointed. I came from an iPhone 4 and was heavily considering returning the Atrix and going back to the iPhone but a friend of mine returned his Atrix and got the Inspire and was very happy so I gave it a try, so much better.
Omg you got an atrix ahahhah
Definitely wait for the next iphone. Because if not, you won't be happy.
I couldn't deal with the **** ass battery life of the Inspire.
1) Why do you need people to tell you what to do? Can't you decide for yourself?
2) Why are you basing your decisions on meaningless benchmarks that don't translate into real world performance?
3) The Atrix is still a baby, roms overclocking and all that **** will come eventually.
4) the Atrix is faster than an overclocked inspire 4G which is just a gimped Evo. Only an idiot would buy that phone in 2011.
Exador said:
1) Why do you need people to tell you what to do? Can't you decide for yourself?
2) Why are you basing your decisions on meaningless benchmarks that don't translate into real world performance?
3) The Atrix is still a baby, roms overclocking and all that **** will come eventually.
4) the Atrix is faster than an overclocked inspire 4G which is just a gimped Evo. Only an idiot would buy that phone in 2011.
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I agree, why would you buy a POS inspire 4g when it's just a repackaged EVO??
I came back to AT&T with an Atrix after using my Nexus on T-mobile since it's launch date. My reasons for the switch back to AT&T where i originally was:
90% T-Mobile's horrible signal quality in buildings (AKA work) and the Nexus's mediocre battery life. I tried all the roms, kernels, stock, etc etc... it still wasnt what i expected for a "pure" experience.
Short story shorter, I don't miss my Nexus S one bit.
Wait for the atrix 13.
TS, throw away all your cell phones, AND your computer.
read a book.
rofl.
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For everyone on this forums sake, I hope that you get rid of it. I don't think anyone here wants to deal with your constant whiny posting and trolling. This post is literally useless, and you either have no free-thought for yourself, or you're trolling just like you've been doing for the last week. I hope you get rid of the phone, and in doing so some Libyan national comes out of ****ing nowhere and cuts your arms off so we don't have to deal with your posting anymore.
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+1,000,000
Make the decision urself
And don't whine. Get over it. No one and nothing is perfect in this world...!
Hey guys and girls,
I'm coming back to the smartphone world - had a Droid and an EVO. Loved them both. I see that the Photon's bootloader is unlocked - but it drops 4G access, etc.
is this ever going to change? with the release of the source is development for the phone going to pick up?
I cannot wait any longer to get a phone. At this point my choices are EVO 3D or a Photon, (and maybe returning either for a SGS2 once it releases and I see how it fares)
If you were in my shoes, had to get a phone tomorrow - would you get the Photon or the EVO 3D?
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Hey guys and girls,
I'm coming back to the smartphone world - had a Droid and an EVO. Loved them both. I see that the Photon's bootloader is unlocked - but it drops 4G access, etc.
is this ever going to change? with the release of the source is development for the phone going to pick up?
I cannot wait any longer to get a phone. At this point my choices are EVO 3D or a Photon, (and maybe returning either for a SGS2 once it releases and I see how it fares)
If you were in my shoes, had to get a phone tomorrow - would you get the Photon or the EVO 3D?
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Photon hands down. Out of the box quality is superb. The 3 d is a gimmick phone.
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What he ^ said. I've had both and the photon is better.
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I'm not worried about the 3D - I'm worried about the future of the device. It seems the dev community for the EVO 3D is much larger at this point and I'm worried that development for the Photon won't get as far because of the issues with 4G being dumped, etc.
I've owned motorola and htc devices before, like i said, and I liked both - I just want to make sure that I can customize it through ROMs and still have full functionality.
Is the Tegra 2 better than the SnapdragonX2?
Nokia 1100 ftw.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
Dude...the MoPho isn't even 2 months old...give it time at least....code released today...all thats left is the bootloader....patience is key here....
Coming from the Evo, I'm impressed
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The kernel source was released today, so the 4G unlocked issue should be corrected soon.
How do the screens compare, in your opinion? Is the PenTile display as bad as some of the reviews state?
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How do the screens compare, in your opinion? Is the PenTile display as bad as some of the reviews state?
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In my opinion, those reviews come from EVO 3D and wannabe GS2 owners. Haters are gunna hate.
As an analogy, I believe that part of the issue is that standard def signals are being put into an HD screen. You know, a standard TV actually looks better than an HD TV with a standard signal because the HD TV shows the flaws. Just my2cents.
Not to mention the inability of Samsung to stay on top of development for their products...terrible in my opinion...
I'm sticking with my MoPho!
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defiantly Photon, Evo 3D has horrible service, and the Photon just runs smoother in my opinion
For what its worth I traded my Evo3D for the MoPho, mainly because of battery life. I've been thrilled with it. MoPho vs SG2... well, thats a different issue.
I think my main complaint with the MoPho is that the USB and HDMI ports cannot be used when using the kickstand. I know why they did it, to sell more docks, but its annoying as hell and makes the stand damn near useless IMO. Got rid of Blur almost immediately with launcherpro so no problems there. The thing has already been rooted, easily, and the kernal release its a matter of weeks before ROMs start to land..
For sure go with MoPho over the evo3D. People who say that the 3D's battery life "isn't that bad" are lying to your face.
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For what its worth I traded my Evo3D for the MoPho, mainly because of battery life. I've been thrilled with it. MoPho vs SG2... well, thats a different issue.
I think my main complaint with the MoPho is that the USB and HDMI ports cannot be used when using the kickstand. I know why they did it, to sell more docks, but its annoying as hell and makes the stand damn near useless IMO. Got rid of Blur almost immediately with launcherpro so no problems there. The thing has already been rooted, easily, and the kernal release its a matter of weeks before ROMs start to land..
For sure go with MoPho over the evo3D. People who say that the 3D's battery life "isn't that bad" are lying to your face.
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You can use both the ports and the kicksand at the same time.. Try it.. Works well..
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Photon 4G HANDS DOWN!
First off, let me preface this by stating I am a die-hard EVO 4G backer! That phone has been the best phone (so far) I have ever owned! Hands down! Now, I am a business owner and require a sturdy, reliable, functional phone to conduct my daily business.
I have owned a Samsung Nexus S, Photon 4G, and an EVO 3D. They all have their issues. But in terms of signal strength, call quality, loudness, speed, battery life, and overall functionality, FOR ME... hands down...the Photon 4G performed the best.
The EVO 3D is fast and pretty but for what I need it to do, it sucks! I have had random reboots, weak signal strength, call drops, the speaker quality sounds like crap compared to the photon, BATTERY LIFE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!, and to top it off, I use square to collect payments from clients and when I connect it, the 3D thinks it is headphones and starts to play my music player! Let's just say some clients aren't really big Tupac fans as I am! Then when i am finished with the transactions and unplug the square device, I can ONLY talk to people using the speaker phone UNTIL I reboot the phone.
I love HTC from a development standpoint, but rooting and dealing with the 3D doesn't take on the same amount of ease as the OG 4G did. I love trying out different ROMs but from a business standpoint, I need functionality and dependability. I know some of you may say 'maybe you just had a lemon'. Let's just say that after the third 3D from different lots, I would say 'nyet'!
The Photon is not without its issues but for my requirements, Motorola Photon is my choice. Launcher pro took care of the motoblur issue. I will say this...the moment there is a AOSP ROM out for the photon, I will be getting it!
I loved the Samsung Nexus S for its smoothness. Didn't have major issues although the signal strength was a little weak and the loudness (ear piece, ringers, and speaker) sucked. Looking forward the the Epic 4G touch (SGS2)!
Regards,
Robert
mtvruinedyou said:
Hey guys and girls,
I'm coming back to the smartphone world - had a Droid and an EVO. Loved them both. I see that the Photon's bootloader is unlocked - but it drops 4G access, etc.
is this ever going to change? with the release of the source is development for the phone going to pick up?
I cannot wait any longer to get a phone. At this point my choices are EVO 3D or a Photon, (and maybe returning either for a SGS2 once it releases and I see how it fares)
If you were in my shoes, had to get a phone tomorrow - would you get the Photon or the EVO 3D?
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This is the Photon forums so yea.....get a Photon.
As for the 4g, source code has only been out for a day. It is being worked on and for sure will soon have custom kernels and unlocked bootloader w/everything working. Peeps just need to have a little patience. This phone got root almost right out of the gate not to mention we already have custom recovery. From my perspective, developement of the Photon is moving ahead rapidly. Phone has only been out for little over a month.
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Not to mention the inability of Samsung to stay on top of development for their products...terrible in my opinion...
I'm sticking with my MoPho!
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Amen to that statement.
Yeah, they do have a beautiful screen but considering the number of times that Samsung's dropped the ball in supporting their products after its released with timely fixes and maintenance releases, endless delays for upgrading to the latest Android platform, not to mention being notorious for having a lousy GPS function, I'm a bit surprised that anyone is considering one of their phones as a viable option.
As G W Bush would say, "There's an old saying in Tennessee that we also have in Texas. Fool me once, shame on you.... Fool me, can't get fooled again."
No thanks Samsung. Your beautiful screens are great on televisions. But I don't care to have one on my phone if you can't support them after making them.
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Turn the phone over. The kickstand supports the phone in either orientation.
Hello everyone I need some help deciding if I should get the Photon 4G or the Epic Touch? I really want the Photon but I'm a little worried about the pentile display,the lag and random reboots I've been hearing about. I'm worried about the Epic Touch because of the weak reception, plasticky hardware, and I also don't know if the 4.5 in screen is just too big? What do you all think?
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My Photon works great! No real lag and never randon reboots.
However, I am thinking of getting another phone because the Photon does not have nearly as much develpment as some phones do.
And I am eager to try ice cream sandwich (which is already available on the Nexus S, Epic Touch, etc.)
The pentile screen bothers me only rarely. I think the better your eye sight is, the worse it looks. For me, it only looks pixellated when my glasses are on ;-)
Good point the development for the photon does seem lacking
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Random reboots are a gingerbread thing. Just about every GB phone has that problem, some more than others. I've had 1 in the month and a half I've had my photon. Epic Touch is great from a computing standpoint, that's where it really wins. However, the support from Samsung is very lacking. They have quite a few issues, especially loss of signal, where they have to be rebooted to get signal back. Photon works better as a phone, and still very good as a computer. Touch great as a computer, not so great as a phone. Development may lack here, but it's not as necessary yet (until software and programming start to overload the hardware, about a year).
The display difference is very noticeable, as I came from an Epic. After a couple weeks, however, I didn't really notice anymore and it definitely doesn't bother or annoy me.
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Hello everyone I need some help deciding if I should get the Photon 4G or the Epic Touch? I really want the Photon but I'm a little worried about the pentile display,the lag and random reboots I've been hearing about. I'm worried about the Epic Touch because of the weak reception, plasticky hardware, and I also don't know if the 4.5 in screen is just too big? What do you all think?
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I have had a stock ROM rooted Motorola Photon 4G since it's launch as well as the POTAUs and haven't had any issues with mine regarding response lag or device reboots and the PenTile matrix display doesn't phase me any. If you need an Android OS based device and travel internationally, I'd go with the Motorola Photon 4G. If you want an ultra thin Android OS based design with a screen size just under a 2" difference short of the Galaxy Tab, go with the Samsung Epich Touch 4G.
my photon reboots atleast twice a day.I'd go for the epic touch if I could do it again.
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Photon... Some people on here don't look good enough in the development section.. OC kernels a very stable Cm7 with everything working.. And that even have a oc 1.4 kernel to it... You can push out 40 different roms with maybe 1 or 2 tweak differences.. Lot of the devs been working quietly.. And there's something cold .... Hmmm .. Lol.. But honestly the photon is a great device best in my book for sprint radio and build wise.. The ET is ok just don't trust Samsung anymore.. The reboots not happening with me unless they do when I'm sleep. Just get a photon my word you won't regret it..
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Are you sure the photon is worth it?
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I came from epic touch to photon. Personally i have had a lot of issues with samsung phones. The major one (hopefully fixed by now) was the loss of service issue. Thats why i got the photon and i dont regret it at all.
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The photon is a much better device, better build quality, better wireless radio. The original Epic 4G just got officially updated to Gingerbread a couple weeks ago so that lets you know how bad samsung is when it comes to supporting there phones. If you've ever owned a samsung phone you know about the cheap plastic feel they all have. Question is would you rather have a bigger screen or a better phone?
I actually bought a near mint used photon off eBay as I got tired of waiting on Samsung to push put GB for my Epic as my family's cheaper phones were getting GB. I have not had a single of the issues that have been reported. Crosses fingers. Never had a random reboot. The battery life is amazing! As soon as an ICS port comes out, I'll likely root it. I have looked at the ET4G, but would be hard pressed to leave my photon for it. Just my opinion. You'll find pros and cons for both. The photon runs every app that I needed from the market flawlessly. It is an excellent phone.
I love my photon haven't had a problem since i got it(week after it came out). We just need more devs.
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. We just need more devs.
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to do what ??
port CM7 ? (almost done and almost official.. then I suspect work on MIUI may follow)
build kernels for overclocking ? (done.. we're stable to 1.4)
for themes ? (got plenty of that going on)
or here's a harsh statement. join the dev crowd. Then we'll have another one.
A device's quality is not measured by the development community behind it. A device's quality is measured by how well it works and the support it receives from it's manufacturer.
Most of the development communities for some of the other devices are re themed copies of 1 or 2 different ROMs and a tweak or 2 here or there.. most of the 'devs' in the other device communities are "cut/paste' devs.. they copy and paste different parts of several ROMs together, package it and call it their own.
What we have here in MoPhoLand are several VERY talented devs that collaborate and really BUILD their software enhancements/improvements. Sure they ask for help along the way when they run into an obstacle but who doesn't ?? Personally I got sick of flashing ROM after ROM after ROM on my Epic just to get this feature working properly, or get away from that bug etc.. IMO the selection of enhancements that are available for the Photon are very good quality. CM7 is very usable, we also have a couple overclock kernels. what more do you need ?? The device is great just rooted stock.. anything else is just taking something really good and making it great.
(steps off high horse and goes back into hiding because I really get annoyed by people that feel an entitlement yet no desire to learn or help)
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to do what ??
port CM7 ? (almost done and almost official.. then I suspect work on MIUI may follow)
build kernels for overclocking ? (done.. we're stable to 1.4)
for themes ? (got plenty of that going on)
or here's a harsh statement. join the dev crowd. Then we'll have another one.
A device's quality is not measured by the development community behind it. A device's quality is measured by how well it works and the support it receives from it's manufacturer.
Most of the development communities for some of the other devices are re themed copies of 1 or 2 different ROMs and a tweak or 2 here or there.. most of the 'devs' in the other device communities are "cut/paste' devs.. they copy and paste different parts of several ROMs together, package it and call it their own.
What we have here in MoPhoLand are several VERY talented devs that collaborate and really BUILD their software enhancements/improvements. Sure they ask for help along the way when they run into an obstacle but who doesn't ?? Personally I got sick of flashing ROM after ROM after ROM on my Epic just to get this feature working properly, or get away from that bug etc.. IMO the selection of enhancements that are available for the Photon are very good quality. CM7 is very usable, we also have a couple overclock kernels. what more do you need ?? The device is great just rooted stock.. anything else is just taking something really good and making it great.
(steps off high horse and goes back into hiding because I really get annoyed by people that feel an entitlement yet no desire to learn or help)
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Well i guess you are right that a lot of other "devs" are copy and paste, and that i should also learn how to do what i want seeing it's well what i want.I guess the only thing i'm really waiting for is unlocked bootloader w/ 4g Seeing i live in a 4g area and it is really nice to have. So i should have been more careful on choosing my words instead of just saying "we just need more devs". Also learning how to create stuff for phones sounds like fun, seeing i love to learn stuff like this and I've learned basics of java and looked into c++ just because it was interesting to me, It's just since my son was born, working full time and spending time with my wife kind of eats all my time, I can almost never work on my car or even clean it cuz i'm so busy now a days. So to wrap things all up, yes we do have a great devs and i should learn to help myself instead of asking for people to do it for me. But if someone was doing it for me i'm willing to wait.
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Hello everyone I need some help deciding if I should get the Photon 4G or the Epic Touch? I really want the Photon but I'm a little worried about the pentile display,the lag and random reboots I've been hearing about. I'm worried about the Epic Touch because of the weak reception, plasticky hardware, and I also don't know if the 4.5 in screen is just too big? What do you all think?
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No lags for me.
Reboots once a week - but my HTC phones did that too. It's an Android SW issue, not a HW issue.
I love the Pentile display, but some hate it. See it for yourself.
Sammy is cheap and plastic to me.
I tried the 2 phones side by side in a store - Moto much better on data speeds.
4.5 is not an issue to me - really doesn't seem big.
You didn't mention the showstopper for me - the lower resolution for the Sammy. That alone kept me from buying.
For those of you experiencing random reboots, does it ever happen to you when you are talking on the phone? This is a big problem for me.
Deff go with the Photon. I bought it used off Ebay and have had no issues. I came from an Epic 4g and ill never go back to Sammy again. They dont support their device and when an updates thats been promised for months finally comes out it breaks the GPS. I have a friend with the Epic Touch and he hates it. Its a good phone but there is a severe loss of service issue that Sprint and Samsung have no idea when it will be fixed. On my old epic I had 1 bar of service in my house now I have 4 bars. I love this phone. Best part about it in my opinion is the fact that Google bought Motorola so we should be seeing an update to ICE relatively soon.
just say no to crapsung!
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One of the main downfalls i can see for the photon if you use 4g and your lazy (like me) and don't wona do the long way to get ROMs on
Hi all, just need a few opinions from some people, and who better to ask than Rezound owners themselves? Currently I have my TBolt and I love it except a few things are starting to go bad with it. The haptic feedback is starting to go out, it doesn't always vibrate when I'm getting a call or text even though I know for a fact I have it set on vibrate and the back lights on the capacitive buttons are starting not to work all the time. It's just starting to get a little annoying. So I was thinking of either getting a replacement TBolt or possibly upgrading to the Rezound. I wanted to know if this phone was worth getting or if I should just stick with this TBolt til the next gen Verizon HTC phone came out. Thanks
coming from both a tbolt and a dinc2 id say yes, it's worth the upgrade.
Came from inc2, get it and you won't be able to put it down
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No I hate it!! It has too good of a screen and too good of signal strength.
Coming from the incredible, it's a substantial upgrade. I'd say try to get a rezound as a replacement to the thunderbolt. Maybe make a big deal about it. If not, I'd personally say to wait until a One X variant comes to Verizon.
I came from the evo4G and my wife has a tbolt this phone smokes both of them love it so much I would say wait for the HTC one but sources say it won't be on.Verizon just sprint and att. But you won't regret getting this phone
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No I hate it!! It has too good of a screen and too good of signal strength.
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Lol
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Lol
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I came from a bolt. I think its a substantial upgrade, but I stole my girls upgrade and gave her my bolt to get this. So...definatly a $300 substantial upgrade. Idk about 600+ for retail. The screen is gorgeous and updating like 11 market apps while using your phone without a hiccup is very nice. Do miss the kickstand though lol
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I came from the tbolt, complained over and over, and after going through 5 tbolts they said I was worthy of switching devices. Asked and received the rezound. Substantial improvement. Even with mostly just sense based roms available, the difference is dramatic. I'd definitely say upgrade to the rez!
I agree. worth the update now that ICS can be used daily. within time we'll have custom kernels and eventually aosp
if I helped then hit the "thanks" option
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Yes. But don't blame us if something better comes out the day after you upgrade.
I mean, the decision is ultimately up to you.
Rezound upgrade
I had a Thunderbolt and now am using a Rezound. I absolutely love this phone. I am also happy with ICS and appreciate all the devs hard work.
Let's just say I was waiting in anticipation for this phone when this was still called the Vigor!
I had the Thunderbolt. Bought the Rezound and never looked back. Alot more memory.
On the leaked stock ICS RUU and loving it.
The screen on the rezound is amazing and the batt life is decent, but there's no S-off and there's really not a lot of dev work going on for this phone. Only a couple of roms to choose from. Depends on what you're really looking for. Stock phone with a great display, then absolutely its worth the upgrade. If you like doing lots of flashing and a wide selection of roms, then absolutely not.
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The screen on the rezound is amazing and the batt life is decent, but there's no S-off and there's really not a lot of dev work going on for this phone. Only a couple of roms to choose from. Depends on what you're really looking for. Stock phone with a great display, then absolutely its worth the upgrade. If you like doing lots of flashing and a wide selection of roms, then absolutely not.
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This. Tbolt had different sense version roms, aosp roms, miui, senseless. We have sense and senseless
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What's limiting us is the inability to gain S-Off, either way I prefer smaller groups of custom roms available versus nearly every dev working on the device. It can potentially make a huge jumble of a mess. I think the rom that came pre-flashed on it is actually very good, so why try to fix what's not broken.
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What's limiting us is the inability to gain S-Off, either way I prefer smaller groups of custom roms available versus nearly every dev working on the device. It can potentially make a huge jumble of a mess. I think the rom that came pre-flashed on it is actually very good, so why try to fix what's not broken.
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I don't know about you but I'd want there to be as many devs as possible.
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I don't know about you but I'd want there to be as many devs as possible.
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the more devs the better. i know some are comfortable with what we have and im not bashing but if we had more devs im sure s-off and aosp would probably be here already. the rezound is still a good device non the less.
I find it awkward that people say they like the feel of the extendable battery. I thought that was one of the reasons people went HTC over Samsung because of the perceived build quality. None of my Samsung phones have ever creaked as bad as this phone does with the extended battery put on. Makes it feel even worse than my old MT3G.
I'm in the process of getting a new phone and I have narrowed my choices down between the Galaxy Nexus and HTC Rezound.
Thoughts on any devices concerning speed, lag, usability, size, screen, glitches, rooting simplicity, rom selections, hacks and mods, etc.. will all be appreciated.
Thanks!
Well if you're looking for long term dev both will be good but from what I've seen, unless you get a GSM Nexus you won't see too much dev support as of now, fewer people are working with it. As far as performance both are practically on par. Just depends on wether you like aosp or sense.
Can't the rezound get stock android anyway?
There is currently no AOSP available for the rezound, though there are several devs working on it.
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Are you completely satisfied with your phone? Or longer for something a little more?
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Are you completely satisfied with your phone? Or longer for something a little more?
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The Rezound is the better of the two, but I'd just wait another month for the SGS3, even if it is kinda fugly.
I have always loved android at heart.. while owning several Mac computers I also like apple, but I feel android is more capable in the end. Let me tell u qwikly why this is important. I love the ability to do whatever with android, but in the days (first several months) of the iPhone 4, there was no android that could touch it overall. Trust me, I had the evo and dinc. Loved end, the iPhone just did everything better. Then to 4S, however was a placeholder for GNex. Returned it, severely disappointed. Let my mom use my iPhone to travel over seas, borrowed her rezound, sold iPhone a week after she brought it back. Live my rezound. Only phone I've seen that can beat the iPhone. Alot claim their do, but I can tell u from experience rezoubd does.
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Any android phone beats an apple product.
But I would personally go for the rezound. HTC sense is a very nice user interface. It's clean, pretty to look at and not boring like Samsung phones. Although, if and when cm9 comes out for the rezound, it will be my daily mainly because of battery life and total customization that can end up looking better than sense. Samsung phones freeze all the time according to several users I know.
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Do you have a specific need to upgrade right now? Companies are coming out with the next generation of phones (One S/Incredible 4G, One X, Galaxy S3, etc.), and the benchmarks show that they pretty soundly beat the Nexus, Rezound, Razr, etc. If you can wait, I would try to go for one of those phones instead. I would have waited if it were an option. (Admittedly, with Verizon there's no telling how long those will take to be released.)
Overall I like the Rezound, I love the screen, but am disappointed at a number of its drawbacks.
On the plus side, you can unlock the bootloader easily, and you can get S-Off, so installing custom ROMs are quite feasible. On the down side, these steps are more convoluted than other phones.
While the screen is amazing, it will chew through your battery very quickly if you're using anything more than 30% brightness. If you're a heavy user, I wouldn't be surprised at around 10 hours of life with the stock battery.
While the phone comes with beats headphones, the Rezound seems to have some shielding issues. I get noise while playing music and downloading/uploading anything on either 3G or 4G (not an uncommon problem with the Rezound).
The screen size is ideal for me at 4.3", but the phone is a little chunky and can get quite hot in normal usage.
I'm happy with the phone thanks to the decent development going on, but do feel some regret in not being able to pick up one of the new upcoming phones.
I'm happy I choose my rezound. My friend who returned his for a nexus has much more problems I think he's on number 4 right now. His signal is atrocious compared to mine
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How easy is this beast to root? I've been hearing all sorts of things about s-off and HTC unlock and it all seems way more complicated than my moto dx2's one click method.
I am not actually upgrading, I'm getting a new phone but to last me to my upgrade a year from now exactly.
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How easy is this beast to root? I've been hearing all sorts of things about s-off and HTC unlock and it all seems way more complicated than my moto dx2's one click method.
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Here is the link to the s-off thread. . http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25144666
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I am lucky to have two lines; one with the Rezound and the other with the GNex. Both certainly have their strong points but what makes the difference is how you choose to use it. As for development, the Nexus will always have a leg up. Although it may not be as robust as the GSM Nexus there is definitely a solid Dev community for the LTE Nexus. You have many Roms to choose from and kernels, themes etc.... There is definitely something to be said for how easy the Nexus can be unlocked. In about five minutes after purchasing your Nexus you could be flashing your first Rom. This is not the case for the Rezound. There are a lot of steps, some of which are convoluted, to get the Rezound to be boot-loader unlocked with S-off. Once you have the Rezound unlocked it is a great phone with tons of possibilities. The Dev community for the Rezound does exist but certainly doesn't compare to the Nexus. As far as hardware goes the Rezound takes the lead. Here are a few of its advantages: up-gradable microSD card (I have the 64 GB Ultra), 1.5 GHz Dual-core processor, HTC Sense (depends on preference). For me personally I like both phones for different reasons. I don't believe I have ever hot-wired a phone before (Rezound) especially to get S-off but it is worth the hassle in the end. As a side note, S-off for the Rezound has only recently been achieved so that may up its value in terms of the development community. I love both of these phones but if asked outright I would say the Rezound is the "better" phone. If development is first on your list get the Nexus.
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I am lucky to have two lines; one with the Rezound and the other with the GNex. Both certainly have their strong points but what makes the difference is how you choose to use it. As for development, the Nexus will always have a leg up. Although it may not be as robust as the GSM Nexus there is definitely a solid Dev community for the LTE Nexus. You have many Roms to choose from and kernels, themes etc.... There is definitely something to be said for how easy the Nexus can be unlocked. In about five minutes after purchasing your Nexus you could be flashing your first Rom. This is not the case for the Rezound. There are a lot of steps, some of which are convoluted, to get the Rezound to be boot-loader unlocked with S-off. Once you have the Rezound unlocked it is a great phone with tons of possibilities. The Dev community for the Rezound does exist but certainly doesn't compare to the Nexus. As far as hardware goes the Rezound takes the lead. Here are a few of its advantages: up-gradable microSD card (I have the 64 GB Ultra), 1.5 GHz Dual-core processor, HTC Sense (depends on preference). For me personally I like both phones for different reasons. I don't believe I have ever hot-wired a phone before (Rezound) especially to get S-off but it is worth the hassle in the end. As a side note, S-off for the Rezound has only recently been achieved so that may up its value in terms of the development community. I love both of these phones but if asked outright I would say the Rezound is the "better" phone. If development is first on your list get the Nexus.
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I'm not actually sure it's true that development is greater for the VZW Nexus. Not a perfect proxy but the number of threads and posts on the Rezound development forum dwarfs the Nexus.
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I am not actually upgrading, I'm getting a new phone but to last me to my upgrade a year from now exactly.
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I see. Then right now I would choose the Rezound over any other VZW phone. With ICS I suspect it will run pretty well for the next year. By the end of two years...
Also once you do get S-off or unlocked, the rest of the Rom installation process is pretty straightforward. So it is just a one time price you need to pay.
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How is sense 4.0? That's a major reason I would like this device, and recently seeing that ics might not include 4.0 is the only reason I'm on the fence here.
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How is sense 4.0? That's a major reason I would like this device, and recently seeing that ics might not include 4.0 is the only reason I'm on the fence here.
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Well officially it may not but there are a few roms with sense 4 already.
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Ya but I hate that story. Coming from the DX2- I kinda want something more official.
Verizon reps said I have a 14 day window to try a different phone anyway so maybe ill just use both.
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Ya but I hate that story. Coming from the DX2- I kinda want something more official.
Verizon reps said I have a 14 day window to try a different phone anyway so maybe ill just use both.
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Don't forget about restocking fees
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