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Let me start by saying I own a Nexus s on voodoo clocked at 1.4ghz 2780 Quadrant and a streak on djstreak rom im a power user and a Evo 4g mikfroyo rom Toastmod.Now I paid 550$ outright for this beast 2 days ago just to give it a spin but I read its bootloader might be locked and let's face it guys this beast needs a rom period no? Asked.Now my question is will we at some point see a rom or cracked bootloader or is this beast a fail? And if so should I just pick up a ip4 just for its Nice games or should I wait for the roms if you think this will get them because the Droid x did and it has the same lock on the bootloader right?
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For everyone on this forums sake, I hope that you get rid of it. I don't think anyone here wants to deal with your constant whiny posting and trolling. This post is literally useless, and you either have no free-thought for yourself, or you're trolling just like you've been doing for the last week. I hope you get rid of the phone, and in doing so some Libyan national comes out of ****ing nowhere and cuts your arms off so we don't have to deal with your posting anymore.
I think you should wait for the iPhone 27. Definitely.
We all get it your a goddamn power user, developer, gamer. You put those words in ever single freaking post.
I echo everything else that has been said with exception of the OP..
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Let me start by saying I own a Nexus s on voodoo clocked at 1.4ghz 2780 Quadrant and a streak on djstreak rom im a power user and a Evo 4g mikfroyo rom Toastmod.Now I paid 550$ outright for this beast 2 days ago just to give it a spin but I read its bootloader might be locked and let's face it guys this beast needs a rom period no? Asked.Now my question is will we at some point see a rom or cracked bootloader or is this beast a fail? And if so should I just pick up a ip4 just for its Nice games or should I wait for the roms if you think this will get them because the Droid x did and it has the same lock on the bootloader right?
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Returned mine and picked up an Inspire 4g. So much better. The only 2 things the Atrix has on it are speaker volume and battery life.
The Inspire is faster (overclocked to 1.2-1.5ghz depending on your battery/risk factor). Everything runs so much smoother. Screen is bright and colorful, power button isn't in the worst spot ever. Screen is bigger but with a more popular (supported) resolution. Rooted and fully rom customizable. Camera doesn't completely suck. Sense > Motoblur all day long, and this is my first time with either (My first ever Android phone was the Atrix, now the inspire).
I could keep going on, but if you can deal with the battery life and lower volume speaker, return your Atrix and get an Inspire, you won't be disappointed. I came from an iPhone 4 and was heavily considering returning the Atrix and going back to the iPhone but a friend of mine returned his Atrix and got the Inspire and was very happy so I gave it a try, so much better.
Omg you got an atrix ahahhah
Definitely wait for the next iphone. Because if not, you won't be happy.
I couldn't deal with the **** ass battery life of the Inspire.
1) Why do you need people to tell you what to do? Can't you decide for yourself?
2) Why are you basing your decisions on meaningless benchmarks that don't translate into real world performance?
3) The Atrix is still a baby, roms overclocking and all that **** will come eventually.
4) the Atrix is faster than an overclocked inspire 4G which is just a gimped Evo. Only an idiot would buy that phone in 2011.
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1) Why do you need people to tell you what to do? Can't you decide for yourself?
2) Why are you basing your decisions on meaningless benchmarks that don't translate into real world performance?
3) The Atrix is still a baby, roms overclocking and all that **** will come eventually.
4) the Atrix is faster than an overclocked inspire 4G which is just a gimped Evo. Only an idiot would buy that phone in 2011.
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I agree, why would you buy a POS inspire 4g when it's just a repackaged EVO??
I came back to AT&T with an Atrix after using my Nexus on T-mobile since it's launch date. My reasons for the switch back to AT&T where i originally was:
90% T-Mobile's horrible signal quality in buildings (AKA work) and the Nexus's mediocre battery life. I tried all the roms, kernels, stock, etc etc... it still wasnt what i expected for a "pure" experience.
Short story shorter, I don't miss my Nexus S one bit.
Wait for the atrix 13.
TS, throw away all your cell phones, AND your computer.
read a book.
rofl.
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For everyone on this forums sake, I hope that you get rid of it. I don't think anyone here wants to deal with your constant whiny posting and trolling. This post is literally useless, and you either have no free-thought for yourself, or you're trolling just like you've been doing for the last week. I hope you get rid of the phone, and in doing so some Libyan national comes out of ****ing nowhere and cuts your arms off so we don't have to deal with your posting anymore.
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+1,000,000
Make the decision urself
And don't whine. Get over it. No one and nothing is perfect in this world...!
Anyone else think the tech blogs underestimated the EVO 3D? I, for one, think they did.
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Absolutely!
Totally agree......
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I wont lie, I underestimated it myself. Every hour I have with it, I love it more than the last. Every person i have showed the 3d you tube videos to absolutely tripped out and said they wanted one. Tip of the iceberg.....
I think they severly underestimated it!
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ya i was planning on using my 30 day window most likely after all the reviews I read. I still wanted to play with it some though and I am glad I did. I am in love already.
Yes absolutely love this phone. I thought the 3d would be just a gimmick but it actually works and i love watching stuff in 3d.
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Add another 1 from me. I knew it would be great going in though, and am even more impressed than I expected to be. Printing OMG! That feature alone convinced my 2 iPhone-toting wife to trade one of them in for an EVO 3D.
It seems to be that way... The phone has been very well received by the buying public that made the purchase. I'll be honest, I was a skeptic and didn't think that the 3D would be much of an improvement over the Evo 4G. But, I'll be picking mine up on Friday now.
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Add another 1 from me. I knew it would be great going in though, and am even more impressed than I expected to be. Printing OMG! That feature alone convinced my 2 iPhone-toting wife to trade one of them in for an EVO 3D.
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now I need to get a wifi printer. LOL.
I knew the tech blogs were off, they didn't use the phone or review from the perspective of the end user, IMO. but once I got it wednsday, I have nothing but praise for it, really.
I do understand its a slightly bigger battery, but going nearly 21 hours off charger before it told me to plug it in with a good 5-6 hours of awake time, STOCK, is amazing. (i wil admit I was on wifi about half that time, rest of the time in an area known for weak signal with my old 4G) I do use green power, but doing a lot of stuff that normally puts a dent in battery usage on the 4G (words with friends, facebook, xda app, angry birds) barely register on 3vo.
I dunno if its Gingerbread or if HTC made the battery more efficient, but whatever it is, it will only get better once we get root. just sayin'
I think naysayers and skeptics who don't think this much of an upgrade over the original, need to spend a week with it, that 30 day return policy can come in handy if not. I know I am keeping it.
Coming from the EVO 4G I was certain it would be better. So that was my expectation and it has lived up to it. I too thought the 3D was gimmicky but I've come to enjoy it.
I have a hard time believing tech/blog writers anyway. What credentials do these people have? Most, if not all, are just normal users like us on this forum but somehow are made out to be respectable critics. So there will be reviewers that love this phone and there will be reviewers that hate this phone. It all comes down to personal preference.
I usually browse through all the reviews and look for common concerns/praise. Then I decide if what I'm reading will be an issue with me or if what they are saying is either (a) their lack of knowledge of the product, (b) blind hate, or (c) a legitimate concern.
I think it is hilarious that ever announcement you read, there is 100 SGS2 fans bashing the Evo3d. You don't see this as often the other way around.
Is the SGS2 that superior? I think not, I will be willing to say the Evo3d is ever bit as fast, if not faster in some instances.
Well a lot if sites reviewed it as the 3d is mandatory 24/7 or something.
Im not sure they even turned it off. 4hrs battery life???
4? That site was paid to give a ****ty review.
And complaining about 14 hrs of battery life being too little? Then admitting you bought a sensation and even though the Evo 3d is better you like the sensation.
That's fanboyism to the max. (Engadget)
In the end the people in xda have seemed to love it.
Xda is what matters.
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Im a bit curious
I have the Evo 4g Currently running KingsRom and Virus Rom. Has anyone that used the sense 3.0 roms on Evo 4g feel like its worth it to upgrade to 3d or should I wait at least til its finally rooted?
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now I need to get a wifi printer. LOL.
I knew the tech blogs were off, they didn't use the phone or review from the perspective of the end user, IMO. but once I got it wednsday, I have nothing but praise for it, really.
I do understand its a slightly bigger battery, but going nearly 21 hours off charger before it told me to plug it in with a good 5-6 hours of awake time, STOCK, is amazing. (i wil admit I was on wifi about half that time, rest of the time in an area known for weak signal with my old 4G) I do use green power, but doing a lot of stuff that normally puts a dent in battery usage on the 4G (words with friends, facebook, xda app, angry birds) barely register on 3vo.
I dunno if its Gingerbread or if HTC made the battery more efficient, but whatever it is, it will only get better once we get root. just sayin'
I think naysayers and skeptics who don't think this much of an upgrade over the original, need to spend a week with it, that 30 day return policy can come in handy if not. I know I am keeping it.
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Don't.. just download cloud print from the market and sign up for free Google cloud print on your home pc and it works great..
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I'm not sure that bashing reviewers who turned on all radios (including 4G) in a phone that is billed as the Evo 3D 4G is a bad thing, as long as it was clear that this is what they were doing to test.
Let's face it, evaluating how the Wimax performs now that there's significant competition is fair. When the OG Evo came out, the landscape was different. You may not like it, but oh well.
Evaluating the cameras and 3D in a device that has the feature in its name is also fair game. It's also the one feature that is highly subjective. My wife absolutely hates it and won't look at any picture I try to show her. I really like it, though I expect my fascination will pretty quickly wear off.
Like movie reviewers, tech reviewers are hard judges. They evaluate phones across all carriers, and weigh features against them all. How many times have you enjoyed a movie that Ebert hated?
In other words, get over it, and enjoy your phone already.
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I have the Evo 4g Currently running KingsRom and Virus Rom. Has anyone that used the sense 3.0 roms on Evo 4g feel like its worth it to upgrade to 3d or should I wait at least til its finally rooted?
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I was running the alliance ROM before I switched to the 3d, it's an improvement in every aspect over the OG EVO. Everything is significantly smoother, snappier, and just overall feels like a good upgrade.
They are all blowing their load on the SGS2.
You know what I'm happy they undersold this phone so badly.
I (we) had been waiting for this phone for 3 months. I had this phone built up in my head to a level I hadn't done with anything since well I was a kid and a new toy, or Sex for the 1st time. Then the reviews hit, and I swore they were wrong but was nervous. So nervous I almost didn't pick the phone up Friday morning. I didn't think there was ANY way possible the phone could live up to what I had built up in my head.
YEAH.. I just want to say thank you to reviewers for being Sooooo Far of on EVERY thing negative about the phone. This phone is better than I had even imagined. Still looking for the app but I'm pretty sure this bad boy prints money. It does everything else.
It was a beast , and I think it deserves all of us preview owners to say bye the right way!! lol
just wanted to say bye evo 4g, i had you for a year and honestly we had good moments shyt even got me laid a couple of times, because chicks look at me flashing kernels and shyt and they loved it, it was a nice run, I will miss you hope you have a good time with your new owner , that was really stupid to buy you for $300 but like I say I will miss you!!!
I picked up my E4g last night and immediately noticed how much slower it was. I do kinda miss it, altough i wont go back to using it. Daddy's got a new baby now.
I do miss mine too. It was and still is a great phone. Nice to see you over here phatman!!
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I sold mine on Ebay I boxed him up last night right after the Good Block party we threw him. Today we had a departing ceremony, it was a very depressing scene
(Tears falling).. o.k. EVO 4g.. your the first android device I've ever had.. you popped my android cherry. I was a winmo user before . Thanks EVO. For the year that you've been in ny life I am grateful .. through the ups (cm7, freshrom) and downs (no 4g with miui) you've been the best phone I've had .. as I wrap u up in a UPS box please don't hate me. Just remember all the times I've tickled you with new roms and boosted you with super kernals.. (still crying )
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i still use my 4g... my 3d doesnt fit into my armband for working out quite like my evo does, and i can still use the gps for my runkeeper.... so can you say "ipod touch 4g" LMAO
Dear Evo 4G,
I'm sorry that I had thoughts of saying goodbye, but in the end I kept you. It could have been worse: look at these people in this thread! In the end, I did the right thing. I traded in your ugly stepsister instead. She was an old dusty iPhone who hadn't been turned on in a year. Sure, I didn't get quite as much for her, but hopefully someone with lower standards will be able to turn her on now.
Let's not ponder whether or not we would have parted ways had you not had an ugly stepsister to give away. Let's only focus on the fact that you are still here, passed down to my daughter who is now enjoying a fully rooted, Deck'd out 2.3.4 ROM Evo. If we were forced to part ways, I would honestly miss you!
Mike
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Dear Evo 4G,
I'm sorry that I had thoughts of saying goodbye, but in the end I kept you. It could have been worse: look at these people in this thread! In the end, I did the right thing. I traded in your ugly stepsister instead. She was an old dusty iPhone who hadn't been turned on in a year. Sure, I didn't get quite as much for her, but hopefully someone with lower standards will be able to turn her on now.
Let's not ponder whether or not we would have parted ways had you not had an ugly stepsister to give away. Let's only focus on the fact that you are still here, passed down to my daughter who is now enjoying a fully rooted, Deck'd out 2.3.4 ROM Evo. If we were forced to part ways, I would honestly miss you!
Mike
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i kept mine too...
Dear Eva (my gf's nickname for my Evo),
You were my first Android phone, and helped get me out of a lot of crazy situations. I loved you like no other phone, and I'm sorry that I had to let you go. It was just time. Thanks for all the good times testing out new roms, and sorry for all the times that I yelled at you for not booting. I hope you have fun with your new owner.
Brian
I bit the bullet and did the Sprint trade in program today . I was putting it off for a long time, but alas our ways must part.
Dear Evo 4g,
You have given me many hours of delight since the day you were launched. I will never forget the time when you convinced a die hard Iphone fanboy to see the light and come over to android. I will never forget the way you changed the world and set a benchmark for all other phones to be compared to. I called it the evo standard, does it have 4.3" screen, front camera, 1ghz processor... I will never forget you, but alas I have adopted a new evo into our family. I didnt think it would be fair to put you into the closet next to my hero and other old phones. SO I posted a adoption notice for you on CL and asked for a rehoming fee ($300). I hope that you will give your new home as much joy as you did mine. The lady who adopted you was very gracious to have you, just as I was.
The evo 4G was one of those phones that will always be referenced and continued to be used for years to come. many new phones being launched today still cant contend with the evo 4g.
Let my 4g go. Miss the extra .25" or so on the width, but the 3d is so cool. And it's super fast!
Well i thought this phone was gonna be epic, which it really isnt that bad, just i feel as if htc really really skipped out on the quality of this phone, people taking phones back 3 or 4 times is just unacceptable, and all of these bugs in the software are ridiculous, from bad signal strength to wake locks, dead pixels and just careless quality issues like dust under the screen and in the cameras, just wish htc would of taken more time to get this one right since its such a fast and highly anticipated phone! My trust and reliability in htc has been lowered due to this product!
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I haven't had one single issue with my phone that you referred to. But to be honest those issues happen to all phones when first released. There are always bad phones that get released first. Oh well ish happens....
I love the phone, and the fact that they #TEAMWIN just verified the 3D to be overclocked to 1.7 ghz with no unlocked bootloader is just a small hint of what this phone is about to become. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!
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Well i thought this phone was gonna be epic, which it really isnt that bad, just i feel as if htc really really skipped out on the quality of this phone, people taking phones back 3 or 4 times is just unacceptable, and all of these bugs in the software are ridiculous, from bad signal strength to wake locks, dead pixels and just careless quality issues like dust under the screen and in the cameras, just wish htc would of taken more time to get this one right since its such a fast and highly anticipated phone! My trust and reliability in htc has been lowered due to this product!
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Congrats.....thanks for the unnecessary post. Take the phone back if you want.
Also, keep in mind that a lot of the people returning the phones are OCD about things typical people would never notice (most people here, including myself are).
The construction is great compared to any other phone. Compare it to the SGS2. Yes we have dead pixels, and etc. But the SGS2 has the same things, and even more (tinted screen, gps, massive over heating, etc).
All phones have problems. That is the result of an customizable, open system like android. Companies cannot catch everything in their testing. If you want a nearly (again, nearly, not perfect) phone upon release...then get an iphone and leave us be with our initially bug, but eventually awesome, killer phones we call androids.
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I haven't had one single issue with my phone that you referred to. But to be honest those issues happen to all phones when first released. There are always bad phones that get released first. Oh well ish happens....
I love the phone, and the fact that they #TEAMWIN just verified the 3D to be overclocked to 1.7 ghz with no unlocked bootloader is just a small hint of what this phone is about to become. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!
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Really? Wow, awesome...all without a custom kernel?
Can you say future proof?
I too was expecting to be blown away since I was coming from a samsung epic. After only a few days with my first HTC phone, I really don't know what the big deal is. Yeah ok the phone is 3d, but after a few pictures and video, I havnt used it at all. The phone is heavy like a brick compared to my epic. The screen doesn't have fighting chance against the epic, but it is sharper. I just have a feeling the galaxy s 2 will blow away this phone in every way. One thing I do like about this phone is I'm in love with sense 3.0
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I too was expecting to be blown away since I was coming from a samsung epic. After only a few days with my first HTC phone, I really don't know what the big deal is. Yeah ok the phone is 3d, but after a few pictures and video, I havnt used it at all. The phone is heavy like a brick compared to my epic. The screen doesn't have fighting chance against the epic, but it is sharper. I just have a feeling the galaxy s 2 will blow away this phone in every way. One thing I do like about this phone is I'm in love with sense 3.0
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Could you be more specific in your comparison? The only thing i see you compare is the screen and sense.
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To those who agree with the op, may I ask you to explain what you expected? What is missing that would have " blown you away " ?
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First of all don't use the word "epic" when talking about an htc device. It's just not right!
Joking aside some people have bad luck with phones and I am sure there are bad batches of every device no matter who makes it. I hear people talking about dead pixels and bugs everytime a new device comes out. I have never had any major issues with any of my HTC devices I have ever owned. I love this thing more everyday I have it. Call me an htc fanboy if u will but there is a reason I always go with HTC.
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I too was expecting to be blown away since I was coming from a samsung epic. After only a few days with my first HTC phone, I really don't know what the big deal is. Yeah ok the phone is 3d, but after a few pictures and video, I havnt used it at all. The phone is heavy like a brick compared to my epic. The screen doesn't have fighting chance against the epic, but it is sharper. I just have a feeling the galaxy s 2 will blow away this phone in every way. One thing I do like about this phone is I'm in love with sense 3.0
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So take the 3D back, if you truly have one. Why do you Samsung fans always feel the need to justify your purchase by comparing phones and bashing the competition.
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I too was expecting to be blown away since I was coming from a samsung epic. After only a few days with my first HTC phone, I really don't know what the big deal is. Yeah ok the phone is 3d, but after a few pictures and video, I havnt used it at all. The phone is heavy like a brick compared to my epic. The screen doesn't have fighting chance against the epic, but it is sharper. I just have a feeling the galaxy s 2 will blow away this phone in every way. One thing I do like about this phone is I'm in love with sense 3.0
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Your view on the screen is exactly that, only your view. I personally, after comparing the evo3d to a friend's SGS2, prefer everything about the evo 3d. The screen resolution is awesome, and the colors are very accurate. I compared both phones to a color calibrated monitor. All three devices had the same picture. The evo3d looked just like the monitor....while the SGS2 look grossly oversaturated.
Here is a perfect example. I use my phone to view a lot of images taken with fluorescent microscopes. If I view the picture on my evo3d...it looks perfect. If we view it on my buddies SGS2...the picture is completely unreadable/you can't make an conclusion about your data.
In terms of the rest of the phone...I have posted this page before.
http://www.droidgamers.com/index.ph...1661-dual-core-beasts-the-decision-to-buy-one
Maybe I seem like a fanboy. But I have used and researched both phones. They both are awesome! But I prefer the evo 3d.
Should have saved your .02 !!
Samsung FTW...... oh wait, what is today? HTC day? Ok sorry.... HTC FTW!!
It really depends on the flavor of the week. Im sticking with my 3D. Ive liked HTC products since they were known as UTStarcom (Apache days).
Hello,
I still think it is far to early in the game to really know any definitive answers about the true potential of the 3VO as the overwhelming majority of Software out there does not take advantage of the Dual Core's of the 3D.
In time, this phone will be fully Rooted and there will also be Software that takes greater advantage of the 3D's Processing Capabilities.
In the mean time, there is far more Memory on the 3D over the 4G, a higher resolution Screen, Sense 3.0 (I realize some do not care for Sense, but I do), and more.
I really think for whatever reason that after some Professional Reviews took a negative take on this Phone, many people have seen the worst in the Phone. All I can say is that if you are not happy, by all means Return it. I personally think it to be a mistake, but it is your money. And with Samsung, they are slow in Releasing Android OS Updates, so while the new Galaxy might be compelling, all is not perfect there.
Cheers,
JJ
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I too was expecting to be blown away since I was coming from a samsung epic. After only a few days with my first HTC phone, I really don't know what the big deal is. Yeah ok the phone is 3d, but after a few pictures and video, I havnt used it at all. The phone is heavy like a brick compared to my epic. The screen doesn't have fighting chance against the epic, but it is sharper. I just have a feeling the galaxy s 2 will blow away this phone in every way. One thing I do like about this phone is I'm in love with sense 3.0
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GSII FTW. I'm waiting for that phone.
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So take the 3D back, if you truly have one. Why do you Samsung fans always feel the need to justify your purchase by comparing phones and bashing the competition.
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Don't take my comment as "bashing". Im happy with my new toy so far and its growing on me as we speak. But also don't underestimate what a great phone the epic was and how great the sgs2 will be.
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Don't take my comment as "bashing". Im happy with my new toy so far and its growing on me as we speak. But also don't underestimate what a great phone the epic was and how great the sgs2 will be.
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You come across as a troll because you just keep saying " Epic is dha shizz.. " and not stating anything specific as to what makes it so great.
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You come across as a troll because you just keep saying " Epic is dha shizz.. " and not stating anything specific as to what makes it so great.
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Well I didnt what to get into details, cause I dont have my EVO long enough. But right out the box, I feel like the epic screen is much better. Also the EVO feels much heavier. I also didn't feel the difference between processors.
My lcd is tilted. I went in to exchange it and the new phone had a tilted lcd and a dead pixel. Obviously I kept the first one. I haven't had any software issues and this thing runs like a dream. It does suck that there are these hardware issues but it doesn't seen like there are more issues than with most phones that are released. My wife for instance is on her 5th epic 4G and I am taking it into Sprint tonight to have it looked at for another issue..
tapa tapa tapa
Coming from a OG Droid. This phone is a ****ing huge improvement to me.
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I too was expecting to be blown away since I was coming from a samsung epic. After only a few days with my first HTC phone, I really don't know what the big deal is. Yeah ok the phone is 3d, but after a few pictures and video, I havnt used it at all. The phone is heavy like a brick compared to my epic. The screen doesn't have fighting chance against the epic, but it is sharper. I just have a feeling the galaxy s 2 will blow away this phone in every way. One thing I do like about this phone is I'm in love with sense 3.0
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Seriously, you are in your 30 day window.....return the 3D and get your epic back....We don't care if you liked your epic screen better.....so take the 3D back and go away....why do people insist in stupid posts like this....I don't go into the epic forum and brag about how much better my phone is.....(maybe I should start) but I am not a troll.
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, we have been waiting for an entire month for the 1.22 source code but the galaxy note 10.1 has source already AND THE DEVICE DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS!!!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR HTC TO UPLOAD A 100MB FILE FOR USE TO USE??? It bugs the hell out of me just how little HTC cares about releasing this stuff...
Souce link: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...te-10-1-kernel-source-weeks-ahead-of-release/
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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exactly! and ive been tempted to get samsung phones after seeing the s2 and s3 but with all the word about their phones being kinda shotty when it comes to build quality i always end up staying htc... its a vicious circle where you can't win
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
this is the last htc phone im getting
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Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
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or they will release it as soon as they update us to the new update the the one x got
flex360 said:
this is the last htc phone im getting
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i think im going to have to join you on this
This is my first HTC phone... I come from mostly samsung. I will not be getting another htc until they step us... The phone build quality is great but all my phones live in otter cases so that does not matter....
I think I'm going to nexus next.... I like flashing to much for this crap...
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I agree. Really frustrating!
Every time I pose the question on their Facebook it gets deleted almost immediately.
I really don't understand what is going on with HTC these days. They used to be much more responsive to this kind of stuff.
I'm just not sure what to do about it.
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supers2k said:
upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d).
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I'm pretty sure that the heavy delay on the ics upgrade for the EVO 3d was on sprints end...especially since the virgin mobile variant received its upgrade quite a bit sooner...but I do wish they'd release source sooner it is annoying but hey I love their devices so I'll stick it out for a while and see if things get better lol
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
I will never go Samsung
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dougm0 said:
I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
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Agreed gps can be a bear with Samsung. Also in almost every modem update its like the first modem they did ever. Better connection, lower battery. Next version bad connection, good battery, rinse, repeat.
Oh and as I have said before. Still waiting on evo 4g 4.67 ota kernel source. Well over gpl time. Now they don't even respond to my requests, at least they used to, until I advised them of the dates... And I'm sorry, 5.07 ota, doesn't qualify as reseting the clock,.
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vice than buy a Samsung phone. We have custom kernels that work with the latest ota anyway. HTC for life!
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ms79723 said:
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
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no i bought this phone because i had the original evo 4g and loved it more than any other phone, then when i saw this phone i knew i had to get it. i love this phones build quality and the hardware in it but its b.s. that htc will not release source. i don't even care about aosp since sense 4 actually seems like something useful and not crazy bloated like sense 2.0+ i just want some kernels to run on sense so we can get some proper fixings going on instead of modifying the hell out of the old base's source and using every work around in the book to get them to function properly. not to say that the kernels we are starting to see are bad. and the saying "oh should have got a nexus" is bullsh*t if i wanted one i would have got one, but instead i wanted the evo lte and its more up to date and better hardware. if i wanted an already outdated phone i would have just stuck with my original evo. the point is, no matter what phone you buy you SHOULD be able to do what you want with it and you SHOULD be givin the proper code to do it with. and since htc is failing to do this, it is the reason there is a new thread every week complaining about it and they have a damn good reason to do so because this is ridiculous. so if you don't like the threads then tough sh*t because your going to keep seeing them till it drops and it will happen again with the next update. get used to it
Edit: and you can't honestly sit there and say that this isn't completely unnecessary. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE READY, all they have to do is upload it within a day or 2 of an ota like samsung and people would be happy. and what do they have to lose by releasing it? they already got our money when we bought the phone so what do they care what we do with it?
now lets stop this here, we don't need another thread of keyboard warriors
ms:
People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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Yeah, that^.
PsiPhiDan said:
ms:
People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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I agree with you for the most part.
What I disagree on is Sense NOT being toned down and less obtrusive. Sense 4.0 is much better than Sense 3.0 was. It's much smoother, it looks better, and keeps the functionality it needs while not being too bloated like previous versions of Sense were.
What drags the Sense experience down is the memory management, which is lacking. I would argue that is less of an issue with Sense and more of an issue of optimization of memory. I for one never had Sense reloads when I was stock, but then again I was never running a ton of apps at once. All HTC has to do is make the memory management less aggressive and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems.
Sense DOES utilize this phone's hardware very well, and you can see that in how smooth everything is. We just need that memory management worked on. If we had more RAM in the phone it would be PERFECT.
I still don't understand the RAM argument. We aren't even that close to maxing our RAM, so why do we need more? I've been told by people much more informed than me about Android that it utilizes RAM differently than Windows, so 100MB free is no different than 1.1 GB free. I agree with you that the memory management is at fault here, but I think that's the end of the story.
Edit: TouchWiz is much smoother than Sense, and many people had many Sense reloads while stock... I'm not sure I care for Sense 4.0 much more than I did 3.0, especially considering the fake multi-tasking.
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okay guys heres a thought....how about instead of turning on each other, and starting the talk of "ill never own an HTC again" crap, you do something productive and start a movement against HTC proactively to be loud about them being lazy on releasing source code?....Leaving HTC isn't going to fix the issue at hand, as they wont see the effect in their sales #'s by the few in the dev community leaving to make them give a F....What they will do is react to a giant community outcry over a pressing issue on slow source release! They did it with the locked bootloaders so another push for source might make them change their ways...
Just saying, threads saying "this is my last htc device b/c they are slow are releasing source..." are silly and pointless....
Do something to make a change and start a vocal complaint movement instead of just sitting here and complaining/whining about it on xda!