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I hadn't done much with my Vibrant and now I want to take advantage of it! What should I do? I'm a complete novice. I've only rooted and used Odin. Is there a good rom that doesn't wipe because I like to keep my data.
The only thing i've done is ODIN to the JI6 update and rooted my phone.
I would say look through the bible in the dev section, it has good options to read through and do to your phone. But to take full advantage of your phone, i would say flash a good rom ( i recommend axura or anderdroid's aospish jk2 1.1) and flash either a voodoo, or an overclocked kernel, or both! Thats really all the major improvements i can think of right now. You can also read up on how to flash roms (if you dont know already) in the bible. sorry there might be other things, but my minds a blank
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I hadn't done much with my Vibrant and now I want to take advantage of it! What should I do? I'm a complete novice. I've only rooted and used Odin. Is there a good rom that doesn't wipe because I like to keep my data.
The only thing i've done is ODIN to the JI6 update and rooted my phone.
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Most of the ROMs will wipe your data. This generally means that your apps and associated data will get wiped. As a general rule, other things (like photos or videos or music) tend to stay. But always make a back up, just in case, because the general rule doesn't always apply. You can use something like Titanium Backup to backup and then restore your apps (and associated data).
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I would say look through the bible in the dev section, it has good options to read through and do to your phone. But to take full advantage of your phone, i would say flash a good rom ( i recommend axura or anderdroid's aospish jk2 1.1) and flash either a voodoo, or an overclocked kernel, or both! Thats really all the major improvements i can think of right now. You can also read up on how to flash roms (if you dont know already) in the bible. sorry there might be other things, but my minds a blank
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Agreed. That's the best place to start. Also, check out the threads for any of the ROMs you're interested in. Flashing is easy. And if you're already using ODIN, you can pretty much recover by re-flashing JI6 should anything seriously go wrong.
Good luck
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Most of the ROMs will wipe your data. This generally means that your apps and associated data will get wiped. As a general rule, other things (like photos or videos or music) tend to stay. But always make a back up, just in case, because the general rule doesn't always apply. You can use something like Titanium Backup to backup and then restore your apps (and associated data).
Agreed. That's the best place to start. Also, check out the threads for any of the ROMs you're interested in. Flashing is easy. And if you're already using ODIN, you can pretty much recover by re-flashing JI6 should anything seriously go wrong.
Good luck
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Will i be able to recover the data like texts, etc... using a nandroid backup?
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Will i be able to recover the data like texts, etc... using a nandroid backup?
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no, a nandroid doesnt backup your texts. And im not really sure how to backup texts, but if you have an important picture (nudes?!?!?! jkjk) then i guess you can just transfer them to your computer. sorry i cant be more helpful haha
Smsbox is free in market, saves all texts and calls to online logs. You cannot however restore to phone. Handy app though, you'll never misplace a text you want to save.
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Thank lol. I guess I'll delete all my texts I racked up lol.
The only thing left for me to do is to flash a new rom
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Go get em
Still flashing , thanks to odin & tw
So now I can grab any ROM. Lets say the Axura Froyo ROM. I just dump it into my phone and flash via CWR?
That's right but make a back up of your current rom first then go ahead and flash away use titanium backup to backup and restore any apps your running its in the market
Still flashing , thanks to odin & tw
I backed up my stock os with clockwork recovery, and backed up my apps with titanium, I read that I shouldn't back up user data other than wifi and bookmarks due to possible problems. Do I need to do anything else as far as backing up goes? Will I have to reconfigure my apn and network settings to be able to make calls and use data service, or will bionix v include that when I flash?
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It all stays....just be sure your backup is a 2.2 cause your gonna have problem if you run a 2.2 rom and try to restore a 2.1 rom
Well....I'm glad I asked. My plan was to go to bionix v from 2.1 stock rooted. So I'll just be better off downloading them again after flashing? Is there a full list somewhere of all the apps bionix comes with?
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Restoring your apps from to 2.1 to 2.2 shouldn't give you a problem. I did this many times and never had any issues. Its only the system data you need to worry about giving you issues.
Sent from a Galaxy S far....far....away.
the apps, it will never give you a problem.
but restoring the whole system like a nandbackup will if you go from 1 firmware to another.
Other backups like launcher pro backups will not do anything either, they're all in your SD Card.
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the apps, it will never give you a problem.
but restoring the whole system like a nandbackup will if you go from 1 firmware to another.
Other backups like launcher pro backups will not do anything either, they're all in your SD Card.
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What he said....thats what I was getting at
Thanks guys...one last question before I flash.
Will I be ok to backup and then restore on bionix v system (bloatware) like "thinkfree office" and "avatar" and "the sims" and "daily briefing"?
I ask because titanium doesnt back them up when I batch them as user apps so I have to back them up manually.
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Thanks guys...one last question before I flash.
Will I be ok to backup and then restore on bionix v system (bloatware) like "thinkfree office" and "avatar" and "the sims" and "daily briefing"?
I ask because titanium doesnt back them up when I batch them as user apps so I have to back them up manually.
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Hey.."there's an app for that".... yep in the DEV section is an easy tool called Android Customization Suite or you can put them back on manually
I may have to check that out. I think I'm going to go a different route with the applications.
One final question before I flash. I'm just about ready.
In titanium backup.....will I be ok to backup (in 2.1 stock) and restore (in 2.2 bionix) just the green text system data such a MMS settings and Voicemail dialer and my apn settings (only the stuff in green text) our does all of that need put in manually? I've read that its ok to restore green text system data such as bookmarks and wifi but wanted to know if the other green text stuff was ok as well.
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The ROM DEV recommends not to install any system data or system apps from a TB...So I would say, if you went through all of this hard work to get yourself a custom ROM just to have to re-do it because of an incompatible file or data problem..then that would be on you..
If it were me I would not bring anything over from a 2.1 to 2.2 system. I would just put it back in manually
Right on man....thats what I'm gonna do then.
I checked out that customization suite and I'm think that will be able to help me get the system apps back on here that I want. I won't really know if I can get it to work til after I take a leap of faith and just flash the rom. With what everybody else has said about how badass team whiskey's bionix v is, I guess I should probably trust the overwhelming opinion and flash it. Then worry about how to correctly get the bloatware back on here that I want. Im pretty sure I know what I'm doing at this point. Just have to do it.
Thanks a lot for your help man.... I appreciate the time you took to give me advice....as well as everyone else.
I'll let everyone know how it goes.
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It seems like every time I get ready to flash I come up with another question.
Do I need to copy the nandroid backup of my current stock 2.1 to the external sd or to my pc before flashing? I know bionix wipes the system automatically when flashing so won't it remove the nandroid backup?
** Nevermind....found the answer. Leave nandroid backups where cwr places them. If this is incorrect...someone let me know please**
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sounds right to me...only way its gonna come up missing is if you format or delete the cwm folder yourself
Thanks for your help jmcghee. Finally took the plunge and Im rocking bionix with most of my apps and loving it. This thing is now a rocket ship. It blows my mind how fast it is. Its like going from a dell to an alienware. All I reccommend for you guys that haven't flashed yet but are thinking about it...read, read, read, ask questions and go for it. Its not as hard as it seems at first. And the noob guide is invaluable.
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Hello guys. I'm new to smartphones and Vibrant is my first. I bought one off ebay for $240 and it has Android version 2.1-update1 installed on it. I would like to know if you guys recommend that I ungrade it to Froyo or above. I've heard some bad things about Froyo and wouldnt like to regret doing the update. I've already backed up all apps on the phone. Just need your professional opinion on this matter. Thank you.
Well welcome to the world of the samsung Vibrant, lol, well obviously froyo us the best and You should upgrade and if you want, You should root your device and learn to put a "ROM" on ur phone like the ones below, and FYI, since u posted this in the wrong place, your gonna get flamed, next time post in vibrant Q and A.
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Well welcome to the world of the samsung Vibrant, lol, well obviously froyo us the best and You should upgrade and if you want, You should root your device and learn to put a "ROM" on ur phone like the ones below, and FYI, since u posted this in the wrong place, your gonna get flamed, next time post in vibrant Q and A.
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Ive already rooted the phone and unlocked it. How do I set the ROM? What is ROM?
mbison83 said:
Ive already rooted the phone and unlocked it. How do I set the ROM? What is ROM?
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A ROM is pretty much your OS. All these Froyo ROMs are really good, just know how to flash properly. I STRONGLY suggest you:
1) Consistently backup all your apps with "Titanium Backup" and google, AND make a copy of all your data on your computer.
2) READ, I suggest you read the Bible (it's Stickied at the top) and LEARN before you do ANYTHING.
3) And lastly, when you mess up, as EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE has, you will need to know how to revert back to STOCK firmware.
Keep this link close, it will save your neck:
http://androidspin.com/2010/08/09/how-to-restore-or-recover-your-samsung-vibrant/
check out the rom vibrant bible thread all ur answers will be ther enjoy, oh and yes upgrade to froyo
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A ROM is pretty much your OS. All these Froyo ROMs are really good, just know how to flash properly. I STRONGLY suggest you:
1) Consistently backup all your apps with "Titanium Backup" and google, AND make a copy of all your data on your computer.
2) READ, I suggest you read the Bible (it's Stickied at the top) and LEARN before you do ANYTHING.
3) And lastly, when you mess up, as EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE has, you will need to know how to revert back to STOCK firmware.
Keep this link close, it will save your neck:
http://androidspin.com/2010/08/09/how-to-restore-or-recover-your-samsung-vibrant/
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For some reason Titanium Backup does not work for me. When I run it I get 0 as a number of apps installed and when I click backup all apps and system files it immediately says backup completed. I've been using the Flii Backup. Is that okay? How do I copy all the stuff to my PC? Thank you for all the info.
Also, should I go with the 2.3 Gingerbread version instead?
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For some reason Titanium Backup does not work for me. When I run it I get 0 as a number of apps installed and when I click backup all apps and system files it immediately says backup completed. I've been using the Flii Backup. Is that okay? How do I copy all the stuff to my PC? Thank you for all the info.
Also, should I go with the 2.3 Gingerbread version instead?
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when you open Titanium Backup, does it say that it has been granted SU permissions?
If it does, then we're good so far. I've had that happen when I first used TiB on my hubby's phone. The way I got over that was to hit the menu button and select "Batch". You should now be on the Batch Backup/Restore - ALL page. From there, I selected RUN for "Backup all user apps + system data". That should force TiB to go ahead and make the backups.
Now, as for copying the files over onto your PC, just use plug in your USB cable and connect it to your PC. Your phone should emit a little tone or vibrate after this (or at least mine does but it's been a long time since I've used stock). From there, slide down your notifications bar (slide your finger from the top of the screen to the bottom of it) and you should see a note telling you that your USB is connected and if you hit that, it will ask you if you would like to mount your SD card (or something similar to that). Select "yes" and your PC will ask you if you want to open these "drives". Select "yes" again and now you will be able to explore the files on your phone the same way you'd do it on your PC.
As for the whole copy+paste thing, the files work the same as if you're copying files around your PC. Generally, I keep multiple backups on my PC, so it might be a smart idea to label your Titanium Backup file with name or date (ie: Titanium Backup - Stock JFD or Titanium Backup - ROMname blahKernel).
Afaik, we don't have a stable Gingerbread ROM yet but I think our devs are getting pretty close. However, we have several stable Froyo ROMs available in the Android Dev section.
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when you open Titanium Backup, does it say that it has been granted SU permissions?
If it does, then we're good so far. I've had that happen when I first used TiB on my hubby's phone. The way I got over that was to hit the menu button and select "Batch". You should now be on the Batch Backup/Restore - ALL page. From there, I selected RUN for "Backup all user apps + system data". That should force TiB to go ahead and make the backups.
Now, as for copying the files over onto your PC, just use plug in your USB cable and connect it to your PC. Your phone should emit a little tone or vibrate after this (or at least mine does but it's been a long time since I've used stock). From there, slide down your notifications bar (slide your finger from the top of the screen to the bottom of it) and you should see a note telling you that your USB is connected and if you hit that, it will ask you if you would like to mount your SD card (or something similar to that). Select "yes" and your PC will ask you if you want to open these "drives". Select "yes" again and now you will be able to explore the files on your phone the same way you'd do it on your PC.
As for the whole copy+paste thing, the files work the same as if you're copying files around your PC. Generally, I keep multiple backups on my PC, so it might be a smart idea to label your Titanium Backup file with name or date (ie: Titanium Backup - Stock JFD or Titanium Backup - ROMname blahKernel).
Afaik, we don't have a stable Gingerbread ROM yet but I think our devs are getting pretty close. However, we have several stable Froyo ROMs available in the Android Dev section.
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Yes. It seems to work now. I've used the Clockwork Recovery app and did backup through it. Would that be enough? Where is the Android Dev section? What do I do next? Thank you.
As far as the ROM goes. Which one would you recommend? I was looking at the Axura 2.3.1.0 and Ginger Clone R2. How about Nero v5? Thanks guys!
Welcome! And yes you should definitely update to Froyo, or a rom based on Froyo. I'm not sure what you heard that soured your opinion of Froyo...but it is a noticeable performance upgrade! It's been a while but I'm pretty sure the JIT compiler was introduced with 2.2 (someone fact check me pls) which should improve java performance multiple times.
I recommend Bionix-V 1.21 for a custom ROM made especially for the Vibrant. It's extremely fast and the community is friendly, helpful, and most importantly VERY active. I linked you to a guide that should answer any questions you might have regarding the rom, and android in general.
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Welcome! And yes you should definitely update to Froyo, or a rom based on Froyo. I'm not sure what you heard that soured your opinion of Froyo...but it is a noticeable performance upgrade! It's been a while but I'm pretty sure the JIT compiler was introduced with 2.2 (someone fact check me pls) which should improve java performance multiple times.
I recommend Bionix-V 1.21 for a custom ROM made especially for the Vibrant. It's extremely fast and the community is friendly, helpful, and most importantly VERY active. I linked you to a guide that should answer any questions you might have regarding the rom, and android in general.
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Thank you. Unfortunately the link does not work for me. It wants me to sign up.
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Thank you. Unfortunately the link does not work for me. It wants me to sign up.
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Yeah, forgot to mention that...but hey if you're gonna try the rom you might as well join their site ;P
Update: Ok, guys. I went to this link and got the Axura 2.3.1.0 installed with the use of this video, which is very useful and I was able to perform this flash flawlessly.
Anyway, The ROM is really responsive and I have only found one flaw, which is that the Fast Web Install app does not work on it. I get the message that they are working on it. Also, the Titanium Backup did not back up anything. All was backed up by the ROM Manager and the Flii Backup.
This ROM has impressed me with its responsiveness. It seems like a high-quality ROM and this is the first time I did the flash, so I'm not familiar with other ROMs. However, this ROM seems like a good pick for now at least. Can you guys advise me where I can sign up for notifications about the Axura updates? Any further suggestions? I appreciate your precious time.
In the Questions and Answers section, at the top, there is a NOOB guide... I would HIGHLY suggest reading it. It explains just about EVERYTHING you could want to do to your new phone!
As far as your next mod... start customizing your phone! Go to the Theme section of the forum and browse around for some custom battery mods and framework mods. It's CRAZY amazing how customizable these phones are!
I used to use the ROM's on here, but since Froyo came out, I'm sticking with a deodexed stock of KB1 (the latest and greatest update). That allows me to modify my framework and all the phone images without having to worry about screwing up one of the custom ROMs out there. I always feel safer with stock... plus root of course. Replaced my boot and shutdown animations with custom ones I created... don't have them posted on here as they are made specifically for my band and noone here would want them!
Keep your contacts synced to google so you don't lose them, backup with Titanium every once in a while to keep your game data and app data up to date, keep reading on here about modding, you could start reading the google developers website to learn about the inner workings of Android and how to write programs... so much to do and so little time in life!!!
Enjoy!
P.S. Everything that I've done to my phone (and it is quite a bit) I've done myself simply by reading these forums and researching everything on my own... you would be surprised how little you have to post questions on here if you simply take some time and read everyone else's posts. The search button up on top of every page is very useful!
Hello guys, first I will like to thank all of you for supporting the forum and for helping me a lot. I been trying by far do the list below and I cant get it to work correctly in more then 20 attempts and Im afraid I will totally brick my vibrant.
Done Procedures;
I have ROOTed the Phone
BackUp all my files using Titanium
Flashed ClockWorkMod with Rom Manager
Flashed with ROM Bionix V 1.3.1
Delete Cache and Dalvik...
Rebooted system
At that point everything is good but once I install a kernel I start having problems with the SD recognition by PC and Installing or un-installing apps to device
Any tips or step by step how should do to install Bionix 1.3.1 with kernel Tigers Blood with Voodoo sound and colors without a problem?
or maybe to install Axura with out been so lagging.
Any reason for not testing Trigger, with OverStock 2.2?
Try trigger, or a 2.2.1 port. Pne of those may work faster.
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Any reason for not testing Trigger, with OverStock 2.2?
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I will try this mate and report back. I just did an back up and now lets just see how this setup does it for me. All I want is a good theme ROM, fast and stable, Honestly I loved the Axura ROM but is to lagging for me for some reason.
Bionix is great but I have the same problem with all the roms I install. When the USB is not detected then is the apps cant be install or un-install.
Will try this one as I havent yet and besides it gives me more experience nothing to loose.
Thanks mate
Feel free to shoot me a pm if needed. Just be sure you've read the noob guide.
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Feel free to shoot me a pm if needed. Just be sure you've read the noob guide.
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OMG here we go again, I think Im doing something wrong. I have the same issue as the more same I do like the How to's state I have the problem with installing and un-installing soft. When i even try to restore my back up for apps from Titanium it wont let me since all the apps stay like computing. I think is something wrong with the apps system or something.
I havent flashed yet the kernel.
I will try to install the ROM again
Not to sound rude, but did you follow the instructions in the noob guide on the proper way to backup, flash and restore?
Perhaps you should just ODIN back to stock and start over if you have.
Let me know if I can help, try and be detailed in your posts though... that last one, I really have no clue what you were trying to say.
Odin root cwm flash...... I hope your only flashing one thing at a time... Not rom+kernel+theme+ boot animation or somthing wildly stupid
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Not to sound rude, but did you follow the instructions in the noob guide on the proper way to backup, flash and restore?
Perhaps you should just ODIN back to stock and start over if you have.
Let me know if I can help, try and be detailed in your posts though... that last one, I really have no clue what you were trying to say.
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I really love this ROM looks great and very smooth. I will use ODIN and go back to stock then I will root and then will flash with CWM and comeback here for some tips. I want to get this right for the first time at least.
TY so much mate
Ok, Im done, I have installed the ROM and let it sit for 10 mins at least then rebooted. What step should I do now to flash a kernel like Tiger blood or OverStock.
Or what will be the next step other then configuring the login for google?
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Odin root cwm flash...... I hope your only flashing one thing at a time... Not rom+kernel+theme+ boot animation or somthing wildly stupid
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I did used the ODIN to Stock Flash my phone and then one out a time after reboot ect...
you may want to stay stock trigger for awhile and test it out.
when ready, download overstock 2.2, move it to sdcard/, reboot to CWR, install from zip (like a rom), after you flash it, reboot.... you'll notice a new splash screen for overstock, all done.
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you may want to stay stock trigger for awhile and test it out.
when ready, download overstock 2.2, move it to sdcard/, reboot to CWR, install from zip (like a rom), after you flash it, reboot.... you'll notice a new splash screen for overstock, all done.
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Ok, I have seen enough of this. lol I so sad to see how easy this is but frustrated when I get problems like the one I still have. Everything was great until I started installing the apps from the Titanium back up i made. It did installed about 15 apps but after those been installed successfully it just got stocked loading and it wont install any more apps or even un-install. Cant even install apps from the market.
What is wrong with this thing, is very stressful try and try and get the same result on 4 different ROMS I have tested already. I really hate to ask for help as I like to read and try it for myself so I can about a new hobby.
But this one is biting my hand very hard. Can you please tell me ehat can I do in this case mate to trouble shoot this?
Thank you for your time friend
Something I have done a bit different is that I have put the files in separate folders for more organize.
Like for sample; at sd_root/ I have a folder name Download which it have sub-folders that look like this tree below
Download
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-Kernels/
-Metamorhp Mods/
-Misc Mods/Apps
-Modems
-Mods
-Roms
-Themes
Do you think that will be a problem by not having the Files at the root location at SD?
When you are restoring your titanium back ups, are you only restoring apps? I mean, are you restoring system data too? You don't want to restore system data, and only restore apps. Sometimes restoring system data from previous roms can cause problems.
If this still doesn't help, you might just want to redownload all your apps, and then make a backup. Sounds like your issue is linked to titanium back up.
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When you are restoring your titanium back ups, are you only restoring apps? I mean, are you restoring system data too? You don't want to restore system data, and only restore apps. Sometimes restoring system data from previous roms can cause problems.
If this still doesn't help, you might just want to redownload all your apps, and then make a backup. Sounds like your issue is linked to titanium back up.
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That makes sence!! I will load the ROM again and start over and see how it goes installing just the apps. I was restoring the apps and data
If it doenst help I will continue your suggestion to install the apps one by one NOT from the Titanium as it was back up from a different ROM.
thanks i will let know how it goes.
stay away from restoring system data when flashing roms. Just the apps with the app data. Hope this helps man. If not, let's go over the entire order of what you are doing and we will figure out what is going on.
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Ok here goes to nothing. I have dont everything correctly like the Guide's stating and everything works great at first but them it just stop working the whole file system apparently. Is just works great and after few app installs it just fail. When I go to check the files from the File management it just say Computing instead of loading and give the file size info ect....
What can it be I dont have a clue as I have search the whole forum and I dont see this problem posted by any other. Its just wont install, un-install or even cant stop any app from working.
What else can i do?
When backing up with Titanium, its okay to back up user apps and their data. As far as system data, Titanium has it sorted by what is and isn't safe to restore. Green entries are all good, don't back up any entries with red text.
This is how I've been backing up stuff since before 2.2 dropped, and I've never run into any strange issues.
Just a shot in the dark, but it might be a bad sd card, or just needing a format. Try backing up all your sd files on your computer, and format your sd card and see if that helps. I had some funky stuff going on with my phone, and it went away after I did that.
Going to try rooting my P1000L Galaxy Tab, I want to back it up first, what is the best way to do this? Being completely new at this, I want to have my Tab fully backed up so I can restore in case something goes wrong.
Short question, Whats the best way to fully back up my Galaxy Tab?
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
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Going to try rooting my P1000L Galaxy Tab, I want to back it up first, what is the best way to do this? Being completely new at this, I want to have my Tab fully backed up so I can restore in case something goes wrong.
Short question, Whats the best way to fully back up my Galaxy Tab?
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
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IF you have CWM then make a full nandroid backup else , install TitaniumBAckup from market and backup all.
Do note that Titanium backup does not backs ur system files
Thank you for your response, it gave me a direction for reading into.
I dont have CWM installed and to be honest I did not even know what it was, I did a search a read a bit on it and it sounds very good, I assume I must have a rooted ROM to install it right? So I think I will try purchasing Titanium BackUp, I see there is a free version, I wonder if I should get the paid version, got to read on that.
While researching CWM I read that all Android devices ship with a recovery console, albeit with limited functions, this is good to know, if worst comes to worst and me as a newb to this make a mistake I could recover with the stock recovery console right?
Thanks again for your help, I do hate being a newb, I do learn fast and I am fairly good with all electronics,PCs, laptops etc, I will learn Android dammit lol
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IF you have CWM then make a full nandroid backup else , install TitaniumBAckup from market and backup all.
Do note that Titanium backup does not backs ur system files
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As it turns out I cannot use either one, CWM or Titanium BackUp, they both require root Looks like I am back to where I started, I need to root GB 2.3.6 which to a newb is a bit of a pain...