[Q] Upgrading primary SD card - Streak 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've been reading about upgrading the 2gb SD card that comes installed in the Streak. Apparently there are two potential benefits of this.
1) A larger card of which the extra space can be used as storage for media, etc. The problem I have with this is that it appears to involve some serious jumping through of hoops to make it work and it doesn't seem to always work. In other words, it is very easy to screw up.
2) Faster card to improve performance.
Has anyone tried this and have any feedback on whether it has had any effect on overall smoothness or stability?
I'm going to be replacing my screen soon so while I have the Streak open it would be a good time to replace it if there is anything to gain. From what I have seen so far, it doesn't seem worth the trouble, but if anyone has evidence to the contrary, please speak up.

mid_life_crisis said:
I've been reading about upgrading the 2gb SD card that comes installed in the Streak. Apparently there are two potential benefits of this.
1) A larger card of which the extra space can be used as storage for media, etc. The problem I have with this is that it appears to involve some serious jumping through of hoops to make it work and it doesn't seem to always work. In other words, it is very easy to screw up.
2) Faster card to improve performance.
Has anyone tried this and have any feedback on whether it has had any effect on overall smoothness or stability?
I'm going to be replacing my screen soon so while I have the Streak open it would be a good time to replace it if there is anything to gain. From what I have seen so far, it doesn't seem worth the trouble, but if anyone has evidence to the contrary, please speak up.
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I have posted about internal card replacement, external card replacement, screen replacement here at xda and at 2 other sites. A forum search would have found it here and a Google search would have found it elsewhere. I don't have the time to keep re-posting my posts.
Sorry
kraz

krazman325 said:
I have posted about internal card replacement, external card replacement, screen replacement here at xda and at 2 other sites. A forum search would have found it here and a Google search would have found it elsewhere. I don't have the time to keep re-posting my posts.
Sorry
kraz
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When you create the title for a new thread it does an auto search. I think the title of this thread is a pretty reasonable search topic. The auto-search gave me nothing useful. Yes, I did bother to look at what it brought up. One title looked promising. I read it. It didn't help.
Besides, if you read the post, I obviously have read threads on the topic. Did you think I just created my opinion from whole cloth?
I'm looking for feedback from anyone who has good reason to think it is worth doing, because at this point I don't believe it is, but since the phone will be opened up soon, if that opinion is mistaken I would like to know about it so I won't miss out on a worthwhile hardware mod.

IF you had done a search for INTERNAL sd card you would have gotten all the answers you need.
So while I am here I will mention that in MY opinion it was well worth it, although I took the simple route and just cut a small bit of plastic that retains my internal card to replace it with the 4GB class 10.
Access to and from the card is greatly improved. What is in your Streak is a class 2 card which will read at about 8-10 MB/s and write at about 4 MB/s, on good days. Real world, knock a couple MB/s off each.
The Class 10 4GB, read speed 16-20MB/s consistent and write between 9-11MB/s, so do the math.
True, under normal conditions it may not seem as much, but I work with a lot of photos and documents out on the road with my phone. The time it took to replace the card has been saved countless times, and for me time is money.

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external memory maximum

A Touch dual takes up to 4 gb Micro Sd ?
External storage size have no limit in Touch Dual.
You can use 8gb MicroSD without any problems
SDHC can Adress 32GB. This is the Maximum! Now we can buy a 8GB Micro SDHC.
I have working a 4Gb MicroSDHC, and it's incredible how fast goes.
I'm in love with my card...
as i know, theoretical maximum for SDHC is 2tb,
practical maximum is 8gb for microsd card , may be it will increase to 16gb in future
- I was out of line
fritsypeij said:
And again (!!) You just open up a new thread to ask a question that has been answered a billion times now. Please Tiago, DONT DO THAT ANYMORE. And pretty please, don't play stupid.
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Everyone Play Nice or you will get tickets to Banville courtesy of JimmyMcGee Travel Agency.
And again (!!) You just open up a new thread to ask a question that has been answered a billion times now. Please Tiago, DONT DO THAT ANYMORE. And pretty please, don't play stupid.
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fritsypeij who you think you are? I know I've made a mistake but see two things:
- First, you are not a moderator, administrator, you are not even a Senior Member
- Second, there are very ways to says "things", but, in this forum, you should not be rude and innapropriate. If you want to "fight" me, just send PM.
So, if you think there's something wrong and I should not participate in this forum, use the REPORT button (that button is there for something) and give the word for who (and should) can handle this kind of situations, who definitely is not you.
Tiago has a point really cyber bullying to scratch ones ego is abit lame, let the man ask his questions
We all start of abit slow so you should assist rather than cause problems
I remember when i first signed up had quite a few friendly helpers and the odd person who wanted to proove how big they were lol but now im actually writing applications using the Mobile 6 SDK so we all need a helping hands
Tiago i thank you for asking the question and thank the people for answering it as i too have been wondering how big the MicroSD can go in my Neon200 it was never answered 100% alot of ifs and maybes even HTC's website is pathetic
You guys are right and I was rude. I'm sorry.
Only thing I was trying to say was that the forum is getting duplicate threads. I think I grew up with different forum rules
So again, sorry Tiago for bashing you.

Transcend 8GB SDHC MicroSD: Thoughts? Experiences?

Has anyone had any experience with this tech? I searched and see a lot of posts about it's application in Windows Mobile (eww, that left a vomit taste in my mouth, errr fingers...) but not so much for Linux/Android based stuff.
Weigh in, will ya?
Ninjineer said:
Has anyone had any experience with this tech? I searched and see a lot of posts about it's application in Windows Mobile (eww, that left a vomit taste in my mouth, errr fingers...) but not so much for Linux/Android based stuff.
Weigh in, will ya?
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Um, if you look there are many posts with people using a 16gb MicroSDHC card. This will work fine for you, just make sure it is class 6 or higher. I have a class 2 and it works fine, but I'm sure there is a slowdown for me.
No, I am specifically asking about this particular brand of 8GB Class 6. I have seen some brands of media not work particularly well for this sort of thing.
I am fully aware that there are functional 16GB Class 6 cards out there that work, and threads talking about them. That is NOT what this thread was about. If English isn't your primary language, my bad, otherwise, read a post before you tell someone to go looking for the tons of threads that have nothing to do with the question.
I understand what you're asking - and no, I have no personal experience with it and cannot inform you if it's bad or good.
However, I use a TopRam 8gb Class 6 and it was only about 20 dollars (same prices) on eBay, free shipping, and received it in the mail in about 3 days. It works really well, and I have never had any problems with it.
Also, you said you seen your card on all Windows Mobile forums. I don't see how this really matters, but you wanted to know about Linux/Android and my TopRam does just fine with both.
Sorry I couldn't help you on the original question. =[
I use Transcend.
Great company. Just buy it from Newegg, if anything goes wrong, their quick to make you happy.
I had one go bad... not sure what it was, could've been my fault... either case, called them up and they shipped out another one. Didn't even want the old one back.
BTW, that was 1 month into having it... I'm on a year with this one running swap, an EXT3 and FAT32
I too use the 8g class 6 card, only had it for a few months, but so far its good. Unsure on the speed of the class 6, as its all I've used. But its a good company, with a good reasonably priced product. I'll vouch for them.
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No, I am specifically asking about this particular brand of 8GB Class 6. I have seen some brands of media not work particularly well for this sort of thing.
I am fully aware that there are functional 16GB Class 6 cards out there that work, and threads talking about them. That is NOT what this thread was about. If English isn't your primary language, my bad, otherwise, read a post before you tell someone to go looking for the tons of threads that have nothing to do with the question.
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Dear illiterate jack,
Firstly, where, in your original post and thread title, do you ask specifically about class 6 cards? There's not one mention of them. You listed a brand, size, type, etc but nothing about class 6 cards. So, please forgive tekkitan if he/she couldn't read your mind and know exactly what you meant.
Secondly, does your need for attention really outweigh logic? There's hundreds of reviews for this exact microSD card on Amazon and other websites, and quite a bit specifically name Android.
Thirdly, before you state "i just wanted a discussion, y0", please remember this: a majority of the time (especially now that xda has become tech support), someone may have had a similar question or problem and may have asked it. If you had searched for "class 6, 8gb" in this very area of the forum you'd have received sixteen other threads discussing this very topic primarily on Android (two threads specifically discussing Transcend 8gb class6 microSD cards, and one post where a user directly states that "I'm currently using Transcend 8GB Class 6, no problems so far".
So, next time, instead of insulting other people because they did not know exactly what you were asking, look back at your original post and ask yourself, "Have I made clear exactly what I'm asking?", "Could someone else have asked this before me?" and finally, "Will my replies make me sound like a prick?".
Now, to answer your question: I have used this specific card (great deal on Amazon, BTW) on the Dream, Passion, and Xperia X10 (stock as well as rooted). Compared to my Sandisk Class2, the difference is dramatic. There were no technical issues in my experience.
Yours truly,
sblmnl
Ninjineer said:
No, I am specifically asking about this particular brand of 8GB Class 6. I have seen some brands of media not work particularly well for this sort of thing.
I am fully aware that there are functional 16GB Class 6 cards out there that work, and threads talking about them. That is NOT what this thread was about. If English isn't your primary language, my bad, otherwise, read a post before you tell someone to go looking for the tons of threads that have nothing to do with the question.
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Please be respectful to other members. tekkitan, or any one of us, after reading your first post, would have had no idea you wanted opinions on a class6 card. I will keep an eye on this thread.
sblmnl, please let us handle this type of situation in the future

[Q] was your SD Card ruined?

I was one of the people who has their SD eaten by EC09 leak.
But now it seems to have spread to other Roms....
A trend that i noticed was all the people i saw had the original SD card made by Samsung.
On a another board i was told to "READ MORE" and well i did AND i haven't found anyone that that had a non-Samsung card get ruined.
So that is what i am asking you now....
IF you had your card ruined leave me the brand.
Sometimes it is the answer staring you in the face
xwhofarted said:
I was one of the people who has their SD eaten by EC09 leak.
But now it seems to have spread to other Roms....
A trend that i noticed was all the people i saw had the original SD card made by Samsung.
On a another board i was told to "READ MORE" and well i did AND i haven't found anyone that that had a non-Samsung card get ruined.
So that is what i am asking you now....
IF you had your card ruined leave me the brand.
Sometimes it is the answer staring you in the face
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If you'll read the thread on the other board you reference, you'll find cases in which non-stock cards have been fried. One such case is quoted a mere 4 posts before your question. Another is in post #18 of that thread.
drnihili said:
If you'll read the thread on the other board you reference, you'll find cases in which non-stock cards have been fried. One such case is quoted a mere 4 posts before your question. Another is in post #18 of that thread.
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OK post #18 is indeed a the only proof of this brought to my attention, and i do thank you!
BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY READ POST #85 [a mere 4 posts above mine] "I have a Kinston Class 4 8GB and haven't had any problems yet"
ANd he states that his "My stock card got all corrupted when I flashed the first MTD miui build"
I really wish people would stop jumping down peoples throats who actually try to think differently and help the situation. I hate people that answer with "Read More" that is not constructive or helpful!
We are all human and people do misread things but it is no reason to belittle that person when you your self do nothing to help the situation.
We are all in the same boat lets start acting like it!
xwhofarted said:
OK post #18 is indeed a the only proof of this brought to my attention, and i do thank you!
BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY READ POST #85 [a mere 4 posts above mine] "I have a Kinston Class 4 8GB and haven't had any problems yet"
ANd he states that his "My stock card got all corrupted when I flashed the first MTD miui build"
I really wish people would stop jumping down peoples throats who actually try to think differently and help the situation. I hate people that answer with "Read More" that is not constructive or helpful!
We are all human and people do misread things but it is no reason to belittle that person when you your self do nothing to help the situation.
We are all in the same boat lets start acting like it!
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As I explicitly said, the case is "quoted" four posts before yours. To be specific it says "I am using a cheap RiData bran 16gb Class 6 sd card...had it corrupt twice while on newer CM7 builds". I'm sorry that you feel people are jumping down your throat, but when you don't read the first two pages of a thread, and miss information in a post just a few before yours, well the only thing to say to you is "Read". What else would you have people say when the information is clearly there before you but you claim to not see it?
I applaud your zeal for helping on this problem, but reading about it is the first step. It took me just 15 minutes scanning the thread containing your post to come up with two examples. You need to do a more careful and thorough job of reading. If you can't see the data that is before you, there is no chance of helpfully interpreting it, however motivated you may be.
My samsung one got damaged. Just ordered a 8 gb kingston.
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once I got mine busted with miui 1.7.15, glitch kernel 11.1 medium.
already restore trough chkdsk /f /x + undelete plus, finally i got my data back.
but I still got some of my file being 0 size kb.
maybe this because UV too much?
Somebody on miui forum said it kernel related, maybe that's why jt launch a new cm7 kernel
drnihili said:
well the only thing to say to you is "Read". What else would you have people say when the information is clearly there before you but you claim to not see it?
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please take this as an intelligent conversation, that being said.
What should have been said to be helpful and constructive would be something along the line of.
Non-Samsung cards are being ruined, i have even seen a few mentions in this thread.
and that is it, the issue would have moved on from there.
In my original post I even said i was skimming the posts and i couldn't find any and I asked if anyone knew of any one that had Non SD cards ruined.
Its not like i was asking a crazy question and that was answered in the OP.
It was a simple question and to answer with the classic "read more" does nothing for the post that is my main point.
as now my question has been answered and i will now drop this, All i am saying is telling people to read more does not help the situation. You can say read more but at least answer the question.
Just imagine if JT or any of the other Devs treated everyone like that....They dont, most times they answer your questions or offer extra help in IRC.... the open source community is built on the ground work of helping others, not an elitist attitude.
Thank you all for letting me Vent!
xwhofarted said:
please take this as an intelligent conversation, that being said.
What should have been said to be helpful and constructive would be something along the line of.
Non-Samsung cards are being ruined, i have even seen a few mentions in this thread.
and that is it, the issue would have moved on from there.
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The response you got in the next post said essentially that (in addition to recommending that you read more.) Your reaction was to contradict that post in all caps saying "EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS REPORTED AN ISSUE ON THIS THREAD HAD THE ORIGINAL SAMSUNG SDCARD RUINED" which we've already seen wasn't true. You basically just tried to yell down the post which didn't agree with your opinion.
I understand missing obvious information, we all do that from time to time. But when someone says you've missed information and suggests that you read more, yelling at them about how right you are isn't an appropriate response. Suggesting that someone read more, while also providing a brief informative response was entirely appropriate. Your reaction to that was not. If you want to advocate intelligent, civil discussion, you should begin by ensuring that your own comments are well-grounded and civil.
ok i do see i flew off the handle on this one point but i felt attacked for asking a simple question.
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i have only been reading a few of the posts but has anyone with a Non-Samsung SD Card get borked?
I lost my original on EC09 and have a PNY 16gb and have had no trouble but i reverted back to EF, i dont want to have to go get a new 16 again!
Maybe it is the Samsung cards not the roms.....
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no offense whofarted - but read some more.
This is definitely not an issue with a particular card brand. We've seen bad behavior on lots of cards now - not all Samsung.
Something is awry, and we need to let the devs get to the bottom of it.[cut short]....
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I admitted I didnt read every single post, I was seeing a trend and thought i would ask. instead of reading hundreds of posts [on multiple threads]
It was a simple question that wasn't that far fetched.
I never said that the cards WERE an issue just that we maybe keep it in mind [at least that was my intentions]
The question was: has anyone with a Non-Samsung SD Card get borked?
how about: @ whofarted i have seen a few posts with non samsung cards get ruined.that answers the question, not "read".
He did infact in his post answer my question, but by adding the first part of his post, it in all intent and purpose was to belittle the question.
I always hated in forums when people respond with the phrase read more.
but what set it over the edge [for me] was the, let the devs get to the bottom of it. which missed the purpose of the thread entirely. The thread was there to collect information and [i felt] interpreting the data collected. then to tell some one to [i felt] "butt out" was very "offensive" which was preceded with a "no offense". lol any time someone says no offense, it is always followed by something that doesnt need to be said. I think that was what sent me over the edge.
I truly apologize for my overreaction
please just remember there is always someone out there who knows more than you do!
Have someone send u a video via txt I heard that fixes it
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My Samsung card also corrupted, was unable to format it on pc & I don't have texting, any other fixes? I happened to have my old San Disk out of my old Droid, so hopefully it won't happen to it.
Add me to the list. Was on MIUI on JT's V3 and its fried.
I thought my card was done after opening camera app and snapping a pic. However, all of music, downloads, etc were still there
confirmed by root explorer. Gallery showed insert SD card and camera app was now useless. Changed SD card mounting from R/O to R/W and can now use SD card. Can only hope that it sticks...
Update: its been a few hours and for me at least SD card is still functional. No more "insert SD card" messages. Good luck
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One more. My wife called me today and said sdcard was damaged. I wont be home for another week or so to look at it.
Is there anything i should tell her? Does it need to be removed? Or just leave it as is.
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Are cards really being "fried"? Im asking because again after taking a photo my SD card became unmounted. Seems the system does this on its own. I remounted the card thru root explorer and again all is well.
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how do you mount it in root explorer? I've tried changing it from r/o to r/w and nothing works. When i try to click on sd card it says that its still not mounted.
I just had my Droid X's original class 2 16gb micro sd card die, with no hope of recovery. Have been using CM7 nightlies. It died while trying to download Angry Birds Rio from the Amazon App Store.
mmb3r16guaca
Looked up on google, newegg shows it as a samsung.
The card is recognized as existing by Windows 7, but isn't useful beyond that.
Can't be formatted.
Loaded up gParted LiveCD to see if anything could be done, gParted runs for 10 minutes throwing errors about the card every 15 seconds and finally the monitor turns off and I can't see what's going on. Unplugged the micro SD and gParted booted right up.
I've been all over the internet and it appears the only solution at this point COULD be melting off the plastic, desoldering the memory chip and resoldering it on to another chip, but that sounds crazy. Any ideas?
Buy a new sd card...class 6 or higher no bigger than 16gb and be done. you can get a pny class 10 8gb for 12.99
Mine was not fried.
Sorry I'm of no help, but I need 6 more posts.
Yes.You said it.
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Ask noob(newb) questions here.

I've noticed there's alot of new people here. I figured I'd give you guys a place to ask questions that might be common knowledge to the more experienced people here.
So ask away.....
There is just 1GB on the NT for users to contain their own data, right? So, if I got a microSD, can I expand my own data storage?
And after rooted, can I install the apk or download games/apps on the Android market?
P/S: Sorry, my English it not good.
i'm also a new guy. but i can help answer some simple questions to reduce senior guys' work load. if not correct, please point out.
to tritrung's questions, here's my answer:
default 1G data's usage just like TF card, you can store your files on TF card and the 1G internal storage, and it will be 2 folders, not one.
12G storage is used to install apks, which almost no limit for applications.
even if you don't rooted, you can install most programs, but if you want use google market, you need to root the device
ms2003 said:
i'm also a new guy. but i can help answer some simple questions to reduce senior guys' work load. if not correct, please point out.
to tritrung's questions, here's my answer:
default 1G data's usage just like TF card, you can store your files on TF card and the 1G internal storage, and it will be 2 folders, not one.
12G storage is used to install apks, which almost no limit for applications.
even if you don't rooted, you can install most programs, but if you want use google market, you need to root the device
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Thank you very much!
By the way, have you used the Nook Tablet? Is its touchscreen sensitive?
The screen is quite responsive...much better than the nook color.
Advice for micro SDHC cards for Nook Color hold the same for Nook Tablet?
I have been doing research on what Micro SDHC cards are best for the NT. From the XDA forum for Nook color, the best cards going are those that are class 4 from San Disk that are 16GB in memory due to the read/write speeds for smalls block random files. (Nook color benefits tremendously from this when custom ROMs are loaded I believe). Link is here for above info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633&highlight=learn+to+love+cm7
With the hardware upgrade for the NT, does the above still hold true? Or can I now start searching for higher class micro SDHC cards (class 6 or even 10)? Planning on getting my NT in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks for your help. It is much appreciated. These XDA forums are great for finding great answers/solutions to problems. Keep up the excellent work.
Regards, Eric in San Diego, CA
Yes pretty much everything in that thread still applies and is pretty sound advice. In general the higher the class the better. I have a class 10 16gb in mine. For just stuff like playing music any class is fine. When you start to get into advanced things like booting roms from sd or apps2sd is where class really starts to matter. One of the important things to remember is the class rating is the minimum speed that model should write. Like with my Sandisk 32gb class 4 alot of people were reporting write speeds around 6-8mbs/sec. Another example is the Sandisk in the thread you linked. Those are around $35 on Bens outlet or I heard newegg has them too. Good luck!
Where do files download to by default? Ive tried to download some pictures and other files via the web browser. The notification area on thr bottom says the files have been downloaded but it wont open them. For instance, with an apk I downloaded from this forum when i click to open it it says "cannot open file".
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Never mind just found it.
/mnt/media/My Files/My Downloads
I thought i would add this (perhaps) little known tidbit...
Swiping the notification bar from right to left will serve as a back button when one does not appear to be available.
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OK. Lots of newer users here so let me touch on a few things that should well translate from the NC.
1. uSD classes: seems to matter little when using apps. Seldom are the speeds accurate anyway. Use reputable brands. Sandisc one of the best.
2. Never format uSD in your device. Always on your computer. Don't use Windows format. Often creates problems. Use this. Free and never failed me.
3. Root is optional for the NT right now. Certain apps require root access BUT untill a workable recovery scheme is devised I would recommend sideloading. Always unmount before removing. Yes, OTA will work and GApps will update.
4. I've not seen yet a reliable method of re-partitioning the eMMC for the NT (might have missed it if so) therefore sideloading would appear a workable plan for now.
5. If the hurdles can be overcome (and it is early yet, people) to achieve root + recovery many options will open but the NT appears pretty darn good as it is. Patience is a plus.
6. Search function and Google search is your friend. Xda is phenomenal but there are many other forums and many senior members post/read to several.
7. Research what you want to do before doing it. God knows I learned that the hard way myself!
8. An app called App2SD can help you moved apps that will function from the uSD and clear space on the eMMC.
9. Did I mention read and research?
10. One last thing...it's always good form to click "thanks" when assistance is lent.
The senior people on here once were where you are now and are happy to lend a hand. Read the Xda rules and all should be well.
skeeterpro said:
OK. Lots of newer users here so let me touch on a few things that should well translate from the NC.
1. uSD classes: seems to matter little when using apps. Seldom are the speeds accurate anyway. Use reputable brands. Sandisc one of the best.
2. Never format uSD in your device. Always on your computer. Don't use Windows format. Often creates problems. Use this. Free and never failed me.
3. Root is optional for the NT right now. Certain apps require root access BUT untill a workable recovery scheme is devised I would recommend sideloading. Always unmount before removing. Yes, OTA will work and GApps will update.
4. I've not seen yet a reliable method of re-partitioning the eMMC for the NT (might have missed it if so) therefore sideloading would appear a workable plan for now.
5. If the hurdles can be overcome (and it is early yet, people) to achieve root + recovery many options will open but the NT appears pretty darn good as it is. Patience is a plus.
6. Search function and Google search is your friend. Xda is phenomenal but there are many other forums and many senior members post/read to several.
7. Research what you want to do before doing it. God knows I learned that the hard way myself!
8. An app called App2SD can help you moved apps that will function from the uSD and clear space on the eMMC.
9. Did I mention read and research?
10. One last thing...it's always good form to click "thanks" when assistance is lent.
The senior people on here once were where you are now and are happy to lend a hand. Read the Xda rules and all should be well.
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Theres some very very good things in there. I agree with mostly everything you said.
For someone new I really would only recommend sideloading one thing, and that is the amazon marketplace. Before root and the real market I stumbled across alot of suspicious apk's looking for things, people need to be very careful downloading vaguely worded things on file shares and torrent sites.
The google market is well worth it and really it is fairly easy to root and install. The key to anything here is to follow the instructions exactly, word for word
Also we won't need apps2sd. That was mainly for phones with very small internal storage, even when we can repartion we will be able to choose how much storage for apps we want. As it stands right now I believe we have the largest storage available of any android device by far.
Well I'm as noob as they get so, I just want to know if this will get rooted and run Ice Cream Sandwich. I've been eyeballing that 7" Acer tablet too (A100) but I want to see if this may be a better buy since I have no need of a camera.... I'll be watching this forum closely...
Thanks Skeeterpro for that link to SD Formatter. I can now put away the camera I've been using to format my cards.
Drewmungus said:
Theres some very very good things in there. I agree with mostly everything you said.
For someone new I really would only recommend sideloading one thing, and that is the amazon marketplace. Before root and the real market I stumbled across alot of suspicious apk's looking for things, people need to be very careful downloading vaguely worded things on file shares and torrent sites.
The google market is well worth it and really it is fairly easy to root and install. The key to anything here is to follow the instructions exactly, word for word
Also we won't need apps2sd. That was mainly for phones with very small internal storage, even when we can repartion we will be able to choose how much storage for apps we want. As it stands right now I believe we have the largest storage available of any android device by far.
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Good point, chum. Agree with you on Amazon App store. Also, something to remember to everyone that if you DO install an app from Amazon then later delete the Store App....the programs you installed from them will cease to work until you re-install the Amazon App Store app. Really! I thought that was Urban Legend but others have verified.
AppBrain is another along with Android Market I have used.
"Largest storage of any android device by far"....think I might have to ask you how you mean that. There are many android devices with larger internal (eMMC) storage. Unless I mis-read your statement there, partner.
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Tel864 said:
Thanks Skeeterpro for that link to SD Formatter. I can now put away the camera I've been using to format my cards.
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Glad to help! That's what we're all here for.
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KDOG2020 said:
Well I'm as noob as they get so, I just want to know if this will get rooted and run Ice Cream Sandwich. I've been eyeballing that 7" Acer tablet too (A100) but I want to see if this may be a better buy since I have no need of a camera.... I'll be watching this forum closely...
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Gotta say I have strong doubts we will see an "official release" of ICS to the NT. As I have said (repeatedly) in the KF forums, BN/Amazon have no reason to upgrade the OS for the devices as it doesn't enhance their revenue stream. The fact remains the NT (and KF) is an e-reader that runs android. Just because it's "called" a tablet doesn't necessarily mean it is the same AS a tablet. These devices exists to sell content. That the NC was so modifiable was gravy. BN learned their lesson, it appears, with the NT (sadly). "Nook Old-Timers" will recall it took BN a long time to upgrade the original NC from 2.1 (Eclair) to 2.2 (Froyo) and that was primarily just for Flash support (to sell more BN content).
If (and that's a BIG "if") the current challenges can be overcome, one of the talented Dev might be able to port something but that could be months away.
Side note: had the Acer A100 for a couple weeks before returning it. Horrible battery life (<5 hours), smaller internal eMMC, and lousy viewing angles broke the deal for me for that price point. Have also read that Acer is most likely abandoning the tablet arena so the "promised ICS release in January" may or may not happen. Just my opinion/observations.
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"Largest storage of any android device by far"....think I might have to ask you how you mean that. There are many android devices with larger internal (eMMC) storage.
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I was wrong. I'm used to phones where there is two partitions, one for data and another for user storage. A quick google search showed me that Honeycomb tablets aren't partitioned apps install right next to user files.
Is it possible to mount the sd card right after it boots without having to manually pull it out and sticking it back in?
Some apps that have data on the sdcard fail at reboot because the nt. Does not automatically remount the card. Ex) thumb keyboard
Here's a tip for people new to Android. There are some apps that says "aren't compatible" with the NT (like Voice search) in the Market, and won't let you install. And there are ones you can't even find in the Market for the NT, like TuneIn radio or Fancy widget.
If you have an Android phone or another Android device, you can install those from the market on the phone. And use ES file explorer or Titanium backup to grab the apk file on the phone and sideload to the NT.
To do it with with ES file explorer. Just hit the menu key, select "App manager" and long press on the app and select backup. The apk file will be in sdcard/backups/apps folder. And get that file over by either dropbox, wifi, or usb for sideloading on the NT.
This is better than downloading from unknown sources.
Drewmungus said:
I was wrong. I'm used to phones where there is two partitions, one for data and another for user storage. A quick google search showed me that Honeycomb tablets aren't partitioned apps install right next to user files.
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Sure. Pop one in and go to Settings>Storage and mount the disk. It's just not a good idea to pull a disk while the device is running. Some apps use files from the uSD while the device is running. Pulling it without unmounting can be a problem.
Think coitus interruptus? (Google that and you'll know what I mean!)
nook noob
I got the Nook tablet and rooted it, and I have a few questions...
Why do programs like antutu, dropbox, and the amazon appstore say there is no sdcard? Does the internal memory not work with these, and if so will a micro sd card work with them?
Copy/paste? I cant figure out if it doesn't work or how to do it. Long pressing on text or in a text box doesn't do anything.
Can you change the notification bar to the top like on a standard android device? Using go launcher ex and the notification bar covers the buttons (preferences, settings, etc). Also, can it be the normal slide instead of the pop up style?
Edit: So I tested my micro sd from my atrix and dropbox and antutu benchmark work, and I would assume the amazon appstore would work too. I guess I never really used the phone without that so maybe those apps would fail on that too.
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I was wrong. I'm used to phones where there is two partitions, one for data and another for user storage. A quick google search showed me that Honeycomb tablets aren't partitioned apps install right next to user files.
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S'ok dude. The only thing I know is how little I know. Still learnin'...

[Q] Frustrated!

I am kind of new to the android platform. I will admit, that while I am a PC guy, as far as mobile stuff goes, so far I have been very pleased with Apple and iOS (I do jailbreak all my iOS stuff, which makes it very customizable)....
That being said, I have bought a TF700 and keyboard to try out. Its pretty nice. I am however getting very frustrated because I cannot for the life of me understand WHY android would allow someone to buy and insert an microSD card for additional storage, and then restrict the user (me) from installing apps on the external card! I have read thru dozens of posts and understand that MOST people dont see a need for putting and running apps on an SD card. I am NOT one of those people. I am admittedly somewhat of an APP "hoarder" And I really despise being restricted from being able to store and run apps from my sd card!!!
Soooo....I ask all of the more experienced android users here - Is there ANY way possible to do this on an Asus TF700?? I have read that even if you root, it is not possible!
If thats the case, I may be selling my TF700.
Thanks,
Hyestar
Anyone??
hyestar said:
I am kind of new to the android platform. I will admit, that while I am a PC guy, as far as mobile stuff goes, so far I have been very pleased with Apple and iOS (I do jailbreak all my iOS stuff, which makes it very customizable)....
That being said, I have bought a TF700 and keyboard to try out. Its pretty nice. I am however getting very frustrated because I cannot for the life of me understand WHY android would allow someone to buy and insert an microSD card for additional storage, and then restrict the user (me) from installing apps on the external card! I have read thru dozens of posts and understand that MOST people dont see a need for putting and running apps on an SD card. I am NOT one of those people. I am admittedly somewhat of an APP "hoarder" And I really despise being restricted from being able to store and run apps from my sd card!!!
Soooo....I ask all of the more experienced android users here - Is there ANY way possible to do this on an Asus TF700?? I have read that even if you root, it is not possible!
If thats the case, I may be selling my TF700.
Thanks,
Hyestar
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Am I the ONLY one that has an interest in putting apps on an SD card???
Just wondering why this is a deal breaker for you. Could you install apps to SD on your iPhone? Not being argumentative, but I don't see why not having this option bothers you. You can use app to SD or some such to move a lot of the app data if that will satisfy you.
Most apps aren't that big, plus there are performance issues from running on a SD card.
MissionImprobable said:
Just wondering why this is a deal breaker for you. Could you install apps to SD on your iPhone? Not being argumentative, but I don't see why not having this option bothers you. You can use app to SD or some such to move a lot of the app data if that will satisfy you.
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It "seems" like my 32GB iPad holds so much more. I dont honestly know why the perception is that it does, but for some reason, there seems to be more room on it. I agree that it i a design limitation of the iOS devices not to have a microsd card slot. (although, as in my origional question, it seems that ultimately, it is a design limitation on android as well.)
I just dont understand why android developers would restrict (it hasnt alway been this way) a user from using the sd card like a second hard drive. let me do what I want with it. run apps.
As far as there being performance issues with running an app/game from an sd card, I will point to my rooted Nook Color, that has app2sd on it, and runs (very well) apps that I have moved to the sd card.
Oh well, I guess I am in the minority of those out there that own tablets.
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C
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It "seems" like my 32GB iPad holds so much more. I dont honestly know why the perception is that it does, but for some reason, there seems to be more room on it. I agree that it i a design limitation of the iOS devices not to have a microsd card slot. (although, as in my origional question, it seems that ultimately, it is a design limitation on android as well.)
I just dont understand why android developers would restrict (it hasnt alway been this way) a user from using the sd card like a second hard drive. let me do what I want with it. run apps.
As far as there being performance issues with running an app/game from an sd card, I will point to my rooted Nook Color, that has app2sd on it, and runs (very well) apps that I have moved to the sd card.
Oh well, I guess I am in the minority of those out there that own tablets.
Thanks,
C
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App2SD doesn't move the entirety of the App to the SD card. The Read/Write speed of the SD card isn't always enough to keep up with the demands of an actively running, real-time program. It's not viable.
After googling for a bit, I found that this guide is quite useful:
techgage.com/article/moving_your_non-movable_android_apps_to_an_sd_card/
You might have to get your hands a bit dirty but if you really want to have a lot of apps, I guess it might be worth it.
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