Figures are not definitive but just a observation. I have a friend who is a district manager for a few Sprint stores in the Tri-State area of PA, DE & NJ where I live. Not corporate stores, but those authorized retail stores. A few of his stores reside in some of the more popular shopping malls in the area. Anyway I was at one of the stores yesterday picking up a new battery for my Epic & I asked how the 3D was selling compared to the Evo 4G & he said they weren't selling anywhere close to how the OG Evo did last year. Not even that many people coming in asking for it. He said a couple of the stores still had original stock from release day, where as last year they couldn't keep them in any of the stores. He also said that he has seen more returns for the phone also. Not for the locked bootloader but other reasons. So that magic number of 10%, that people around here keep tossing around as the percentage of people who actually want a unlocked bootloader may be actually higher when you factor in that the phone isn't selling like Sprint/HTC thought. Like I said in the begining, none of this is definitive, just a observation from a friend who is in the know, at least at the 10 or more stores he oversees.
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I dont think the bootloader has much if anything to do with it. The reason is simple really.. when the Evo came out last year it was the first and only of its kind. There werent any other 4G phones out with the massive screen. It took the other carriers a while to catch up but now you have Tmobile with its own Sensation, Verizon with its own Thunderbolt, Charge, Iphone and soon to be Bionic. AT&T with its own Infuse, Inspire, Atrix, Captivate, etc. So the Evo doesnt really have anywhere near as much luster now as it did a year ago. Add to that the fact that a ton of people are still locked into contracts and there's your answer.
I knew they didnt expect sales to be big when they allowed employees to get the phone only 3 days after it released so im really not surprised and I dont think they are either.
If anyone actually thought the 3d would sell better then the og EVO is dilusional.
The 3d wasn't as heavily marketed and hyped like the OG EVO also. And yea the EVO was first of its kind.
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I dont think the bootloader has much if anything to do with it. The reason is simple really.. when the Evo came out last year it was the first and only of its kind. There werent any other 4G phones out with the massive screen. It took the other carriers a while to catch up but now you have Tmobile with its own Sensation, Verizon with its own Thunderbolt, Charge, Iphone and soon to be Bionic. AT&T with its own Infuse, Inspire, Atrix, Captivate, etc. So the Evo doesnt really have anywhere near as much luster now as it did a year ago. Add to that the fact that a ton of people are still locked into contracts and there's your answer.
I knew they didnt expect sales to be big when they allowed employees to get the phone only 3 days after it released so im really not surprised and I dont think they are either.
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I totally agree. Back then the Droid and EVO where really the only ones that stood out...now the rest of the others played catch up, and the field is scattered with selection of phones that are nearly identical to the OG EVO. Now we have a huge selection of them AND we still have the OG EVO. Sales are good..nbut not nearly the amount of the original. Also...how many really have the cash to upgrade. If they do not have full upgrade? I mean...contracts are 2 years and many of them still have another year or so to go. I still have mine left with 14. Months to go. I paid cash for. mine and after I sell my OG EVO still cost me money. But I did not use a upgrade..beings I do not have one. My 2 cents worth
The EVO was under produced. That's why everyone was sold out...
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I hate to finally admit it, but my 2 3D's are going back tonight. I love the phone, We are taking them back simply because the data from Sprint in the Buffalo area is unusable - Web pages take minutes to load, cant stream radio, etc ...
All Sprint can tell me locally is 4G towers should be up by the end of the year - but by that point Ill be locked into a contract and if they fail to upgrade, Ill be stuck.
I hate that the return will reflect on the phone due to a return, but its not the phone in our case.
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I totally agree. Back then the Droid and EVO where really the only ones that stood out...now the rest of the others played catch up, and the field is scattered with selection of phones that are nearly identical to the OG EVO. Now we have a huge selection of them AND we still have the OG EVO. Sales are good..nbut not nearly the amount of the original. Also...how many really have the cash to upgrade. If they do not have full upgrade? I mean...contracts are 2 years and many of them still have another year or so to go. I still have mine left with 14. Months to go. I paid cash for. mine and after I sell my OG EVO still cost me money. But I did not use a upgrade..beings I do not have one. My 2 cents worth
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Sprint would have given you an upgrade if you would have asked for one.
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Don't forget that alot of evo4g users are in a 2yr contract and probably weren't aware of the option to upgrade to the 3d for a limited time. Also the evo4g may be enough phone for a lot of people as well.
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Consider also the fact that those who got the 4G are still on the 2 year contract. Those who actually lurk these boards may have taken advantage of the upgrade reset.
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Sprint would have given you an upgrade if you would have asked for one.
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I did....many, many times...at corporate stores..private ones and online. Then I figured...it was not worth to lose it. And the upgrade was just as expensive as to purchase one...400 for the evo 3d..subtract 250 for my old evo...150 dollars. I started with sprint nov of last year. 150 was just right to get me in.
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Don't forget that alot of evo4g users are in a 2yr contract and probably weren't aware of the option to upgrade to the 3d for a limited time. Also the evo4g may be enough phone for a lot of people as well.
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My thoughts exactly.
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I hate to finally admit it, but my 2 3D's are going back tonight. I love the phone, We are taking them back simply because the data from Sprint in the Buffalo area is unusable - Web pages take minutes to load, cant stream radio, etc ...
All Sprint can tell me locally is 4G towers should be up by the end of the year - but by that point Ill be locked into a contract and if they fail to upgrade, Ill be stuck.
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Where are you having trouble with the service? I moved from Buffalo not too long ago and I got great service from Sprint there. I used to live just off Hertel near Military and never had any issues. Really the only places that I didn't get good service were east of the zoo, and out past Amherst.
Anyway, on topic... Of course they didn't sell as well, as everyone else has stated, they just aren't as "wow" as they were last year. Many people also just simply don't have the full upgrade yet, and aren't willing to pay the extra money.
Your friend who is in the know? Lol. Does he go around to the stores? Or does he just tell the managers what to do? Try asking someone who spends a lot of time in the stores...
I have to disagree on some of those points. I never said the bootloader had anything to do with it. I said that the supposed number of 10% of people who want a unlocked bootloader is a lot larger when you figure in that the phone hasn't sold a lot of units. I don't think people being locked into contracts had much to do with it. The Hero and Moment were big sellers and a lot of people upgraded from those phones to the Evo which came out barely a year later. (Hero - Oct. '09/Moment - Nov. '09/Evo 4G - June '10) And if you don't think that HTC/Sprint anticipated this being a big seller you are being foolish. What company doesn't bank on following a successful phone with another one? You think Apple goes into production assuming that the next iPhone isn't gonna sell at least the same amount if not more than the previous version? If that was the case why spend the money to develop and put in a new processor, GPU, screen, 3D camera, more RAM....Why even call it the Evo? You include all of those new features and call it the Evo hoping to bank on the name and success of the OG Evo IMO. I mean I'm no business major but that sounds like good business to me.
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Your friend who is in the know? Lol. Does he go around to the stores? Or does he just tell the managers what to do? Try asking someone who spends a lot of time in the stores...
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Actually he does a lot of travelling. I usually call or text him when I have a problem to see which store he is gonna be in and what time. If he is gonna be out of the area he usually lets the tech/sales person at the store nearest to me to expect my visit.
this is true bc i was conversing, friendly btw, with the girl at the sprint store i went to. long story short, i asked about reservation amounts. She said the Evo tore this phone apart in first day sales, not even close. Anyways to add a funny note, she goes okay im going to update your phone with this OTA. Im like no i dont want it thank you. Shes like why are you going to root it? I was like oh man if only my girl was interested in this stuff lol, na jk. But it was pretty cool to meet someone like that.
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Actually he does a lot of travelling. I usually call or text him when I have a problem to see which store he is gonna be in and what time. If he is gonna be out of the area he usually lets the tech/sales person at the store nearest to me to expect my visit.
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I need a friend at a Sprint store. Any Sprint employee's in NC want to be my friend
So he doesn't sell... he does a lot of traveling... spends his time in a care or whatever he uses to travel. He looks at reports and goes around to make sure people are in uniform, the stores are clean and addresses any concerns with employees. I'd say less than 10% even know what a bootloader is... you're wrong, he's wrong, stupid thread that has nothing to do with anything. You just think you're right because you think he's "in the know"... Come on now...
There are more returns on the 3D? False.
4G outsold the 3D in mass numbers? True.
So let's say 30 - Evo 4G's were sold in a month and let's estimate that there is a 1 in 9 return rate... do you're at approximately... 3. So around 10%...
Let's say 10 - Evo 3D's sold in a month... and to be honest, I'm making these numbers up. But I can personally say that I've never seen one returned... So that makes it 0%. Maybe 1 might be returned in the next week and a half... but there's nothing proving that there are more returns...
No one in this thread, including myself has provided any sources for numbers. Everyone is pulling numbers out their asses.
Not a single 3D has been returned at the store I work at. That's a actual number. 0.
How many went out, I can't say. But I can say release day stock was sold out and fulfilled by pre-orders within a hour of store opening.
We've been lucky to keep 1-2 in stock.
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Anyone else think its going to be almost impossible to get one? Look at the evo... its STILL out of freakin in and out of stock online...
With the earthquake in Japan slowing the manufacturing industry down, I would imagine there will be shortages of a lot of products, beyond what there normally would be.
I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
The only reason they keep running low on stock is because they haven't ramped up production. If Sprint wanted to, they could flood the market with EVO 4Gs.
I'm going to bust my ass to get on the list.
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I doubt it. Most who got an EVO now wont be able to upgrade and that means less purchases.
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Perfect reason to preorder one! I know I will.
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I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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some of qualcomm's part comes from japan. so.......yeah.......it means delay.
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some of qualcomm's part comes from japan. so.......yeah.......it means delay.
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KIRF to the rescue?
NEW FLASH!!!
There are to few Premier members that will qualify for the upgrade now that it won't make any difference.....
Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
BTW, I have a feeling that the Japan issue is really a non issue; mostly because the phone won't be released till the summer. Also, Toyota and other car manufactures have already gotten their plants running, so there has to also be a way to ship them out. If you get a auto factory running and can ship a ship full of cars out, I think they should be able build phone parts and ship a billion phone parts out...
I went to verizon the other day with a friend of mine and he was checking out the Thunderbolt. He àsked how their stock has been and they guy said they have sold a ton of them but HTC has been shipping them as soon as they run out. so they haven't had any problem keeping them in stock. Im not sure but im thinking that could be a sign for us that they will keep a decent stock this time and not miss out on sales like with the Evo.
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Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
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Due to the recent change in the gold/silver Premier levels?
If that's the case, because I'm still gold, I'll be ahead of almost everyone. Sweet! I'm so tired of my HTC Hero already, been holding out all this time for a dual-core.
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NEW FLASH!!!
There are to few Premier members that will qualify for the upgrade now that it won't make any difference.....
Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
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There are still going to be a lot of people using full upgrades/other lines on family plans as well as new customers. Not to mention the people who are still eligible for premier upgrades, and, of course, those who will buy the 3D outright. I fully expect demand to be as high or higher than the OG Evo.
My store is still selling out of stock on the 4G whenever we get them, so the demand is there. You also have to factor in a year of people talking about the EVO which spreads it appeal to the more average customers, as opposed to the 4G launch which was driven by tech-types who knew it was coming.
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I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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You don't see why plant closures in Japan from some large semiconductor manufacturers would slow them down? Not to say it's going to grind to a halt, but it will have an effect, even if only a small one.
NewZJ said:
I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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also you are thinking wrong. you think if korea has been hit with the disaster, you are probably thinking apple will now rule thw world? wrong.
apple uses lg displays, samsungs chip. world can not survive alone anymore. no lg and samsung=no apple.
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There are still going to be a lot of people using full upgrades/other lines on family plans as well as new customers. Not to mention the people who are still eligible for premier upgrades, and, of course, those who will buy the 3D outright. I fully expect demand to be as high or higher than the OG Evo.
My store is still selling out of stock on the 4G whenever we get them, so the demand is there. You also have to factor in a year of people talking about the EVO which spreads it appeal to the more average customers, as opposed to the 4G launch which was driven by tech-types who knew it was coming.
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I'd say the reason you're still selling out of EVO's are because, on Sprint, there's nothing that compares to it in over all features. Sprint is very limited in what top tier phones they carry, and they just don't seem to want to stock them. Believe me, it's not a manufacturing issue. If it were, it'd be almost impossible to get an iPhone.
Here's another possible problem for block buster sales of the EVO 3D. Unlike last year, where Sprint was the only one offering 4G and the was really no comparable phones to the EVO 4G, it's a different story now. Verizon's spring roadmap has been leaked and they are announcing more 4G dual core phones in May.
If people see comparable phones sooner on another carrier and it's available sooner, why wouldn't many people just switch? Especially since LTE is the new buzz word and we've all come to see that LTE coverage is very good (I'm talking about actually having coverage where coverage is supposed to be), with great building penetration? In addition to that, Verizon is saying they'll have 4G (LTE) available in 147 markets by the end of this year, where Sprint/Clearwire looks frozen. Sprint won't even give a hint on what's to be expected by end of year. Because of this, Sprint's price advantage is gone... No one wants to stay on yesterdays network, that's clogged, when you get get new for just a bit more a month.
Sprint reps on different forums and over the phone and in most places have been told from HTC there will be no shortage of EVO 3D's.
Many people are acting like after 1 day you will not find one and that just will not be so.
#1 many people who got the evo are not changing.Yes we have most of us on here but the normal world person is not going to change just yet.
#2 The EVO was a all new thing.That phone was A FIRST.It was hyped like no other and there had not been many new phones before it so many people used there upgrades.
#3 People who got the EVO of them more then 50% do not have a upgrade to use.
you read on here about all the people getting extended but again in the real world not many people understand it can be done.
Lastly the phone has not had much fanfare.We on here and other sprint forums look at it totally different then the real world sprint people.
i called up my Best buy and my local RS and local Sprint store and between all 3 there was 10 pre orders total! and 2 of them were mine at Best buy.So besides me there was 8 others.
People going around saying they will only get as many as were pre ordered and a few extra is just not the case.
Sprint is doing these upgrades to get people to reup for 2 years and help sales of these new phones.
The EVO was a totally different ballgame then what the evo 3d will be.Will i get 1 day 1? Yes will there be a shortage? NO.
If you want to debate it go ahead but sprint has posted a few times already this will not be the case.
i mostly agree. I doubt there will be a shortage
But I also did preorder and I'll be at the store early on release day mainly because the radio shack I'm going to is super busy on a normal day and I work second shift so I'd like to get it done before i go to work.
Yes i will be also going early but those who can't get to best buy or RS or the sprint store on day 1 are not going to be SOL.
You MUST also understand and i know this to be fact! there are MANY and i say MANY sprint reps who work at sprint on HERE and sprint users who try and hype it for sales.
They have stock plus want more people in there there stores and will hype stuff.Heck on SU alone i know of 15 alone i have talked to on there.
So again if you cant get 1 day 1 i think you will have no problem day 2.
As amazing as this phone is, it won't sell as well as the EvO.
The Best Buy near me (Orange, California no less) only has about 20 preorders for the EvO 3D...a week after it was announced.
I went to preorder the EVO 2 days after it was announced last year, at the same store and there were 100 existing preorders.
Granted, there is more than one Best Buy, but I'm near a "HUB" in this city. People are aware, and don't really care as much.
The word EVO isn't as tantalizing as it once was. Cool phones though.
No shortages this year!
I disagree. The evo is still hard to get sometimes... so i don't see it being any different for the 3d.
Where? tell me where you can't get the evo? heck they lowered the price to 99$ and best buy online and stores have tons.
Sprint.com has not had a shortage in months.
Now if you are a sprint rep and want to hype what is just not there fine but please a shortage of evo's? check ebay if you want to see there is no shortage.Heck people with new evo's in box are under cutting each other on EBAY now cause of lack of new sales.
But please share with me where the shortage is for the current evo?
ahh ok a sprint rep lol.just got a IM saying the above me is a sprint rep no wonder the lie about a evo shortage lol when in fact there is plenty no matter where you look.
SO MR I WORK FOR SPRINT SHOW WHERE THE EVO SHORTAGE IS OR WAS IN THE LAST MONTH ANYWHERE LOL.
They didn't have it in stock online a couple weeks or maybe a little over a month ago.
Why so angry? Not like i am attacking you?
What? an im from who? wtf are you talking about? I don't work for sprint in any way or shape?
I called in a few weeks ago to see if they might offer me some type of deal and the guy on the phone told me they were oos...
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Where? tell me where you can't get the evo? heck they lowered the price to 99$ and best buy online and stores have tons.
Sprint.com has not had a shortage in months.
Now if you are a sprint rep and want to hype what is just not there fine but please a shortage of evo's? check ebay if you want to see there is no shortage.Heck people with new evo's in box are under cutting each other on EBAY now cause of lack of new sales.
But please share with me where the shortage is for the current evo?
ahh ok a sprint rep lol.just got a IM saying the above me is a sprint rep no wonder the lie about a evo shortage lol when in fact there is plenty no matter where you look.
SO MR I WORK FOR SPRINT SHOW WHERE THE EVO SHORTAGE IS OR WAS IN THE LAST MONTH ANYWHERE LOL.
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Ive been on my account online every week at least 1-2 times per week i check the other phones and the prices.
This is why i can say there was never a shortage in months on sprint.com of the evo.
But the new evo 3D has been said by high up sprint reps no shortage at all is expected and they were assured by HTC there would be no shortage.
In fact the EVO is more popular then the evo 3D as your average joe is not going to take the time to sell his EVO and then pay out for the EVO 3D.
I am just posting because many are trying to put the fear out there will be a shortage so people jump on it when they may want to wait a few days but are scared they will miss out.
Goodluck whichever way you guys go.
companies such as HTC don't make the same mistake twice. There will most likely be a surplus of Evo3d's.
I, for one, am not worried about getting one on launch day. I believe that there will be plenty of them available. I have yet to see a commercial from Sprint like I did for the EVO4G.
Sprint has learned its lesson from last year. They have been mass producing the EVO 3D since early May. There will be plenty to go around. Trust me
I'll know the exact numbers next Wednesday
Well the thing is there are 2 reasons there will be plenty avil.
With the evo shortage they already have told sprint there will be no shortage.
And unless you are on XDA SU or PPC Geeks and such not many outside that even know or care about it.
And those who own a evo again less then 50% have a upgrade avil to jump to it.
Will the phone be a winner? i think so.Will it sell out everywhere like the evo did day 1 and for weeks?
NO
I facking love that people are arguing whether there will a shortage or not.
Listen up, artficial shortages are done all the time so the product get deemed by the media "hot selling". HTC isn't relying on Samsung for their screens like last year however I'm sure stores are going to keep some stock in the back for a few days to "create a shortage". If I'm wrong, dont facking flame, its just a phone
That is why i posted the thread on other sites where more Sprint employees are they try and hype it just like in here.They want to create panic so everyone blows out there upgrade and once you do you have 2 more years unless you use a etf.
The thing is i will like this phone and i will use this phone.But i hate when people start the i am camping out stuff and so on because the fear of OOS hit them.
This will be a good phone but HTC will not let there be a shortage again like with the evo and already has told Sprint this will not happen.
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That is why i posted the thread on other sites where more Sprint employees are they try and hype it just like in here.They want to create panic so everyone blows out there upgrade and once you do you have 2 more years unless you use a etf.
The thing is i will like this phone and i will use this phone.But i hate when people start the i am camping out stuff and so on because the fear of OOS hit them.
This will be a good phone but HTC will not let there be a shortage again like with the evo and already has told Sprint this will not happen.
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Best advise I can give is to ignore it then, if they aren't hurting you it shouldn't matter. If you pre ordered you will be good, let the idiots camp out if they want... Heck, i'd even drive by and laugh at them. I know i'll be feeling comfy at home the night before and go pick mine up in the morning. Just remember that we will all have our sweet evo 3d's really soon and we can all relax
Of all the arguments to get into this is one of the dumbest imho.
Who cares?!
it doesn't matter in the end one bit. If you really want the phone youll find a way to get it period. If you dont, then you wont.
This is hardly worth drumming up the conversation about. I could care less if sprint employees are hyping it up to sell it and create a panic. Thats their damn job to begin with! And rdcrds argument about getting people to blow their upgrade is a little redic and meaningless. The ppl that want it will get it and the ones that dont, wont. end of story.
Who cares if ppl camp out anyway? let em be a apple like idiot camping out for phones.
I don't care if people camp out that is fine.The thread was not about people camping out.In fact i really only try and reply when someone has a question or says something.
But please do not get into a heated discussion about it.
Just to show you How sprint employees try and hype/make people panic is if you were to start a thread like this on SU.com the employees of Sprint go into the thread and start a flame war because on then the thread gets closed.It has happened many times in the past.
My only purpose of this thread really is to let people know who if they can't get it day 1 they will be avil with no shortage.Htc has told Sprint there will be plenty avil unlike the EVO launch.
Some people do not have the $50 to spare to put a pre order in and have to wait till launch to get it.I just hate sprint employee hypes who go on these forums and try to push a shortage when there just won't be 1.
Again completely pointless. If you want the phone your going to get it some way or another. If you dont then you wont.
pointless thread imho. least deff not worth its own thread. coulda just stated that you herd supply was going to be able to meet demands this time in the other threads. sorry just dont get the point of caring about sprint ppl hyping or trying to cause a panic over a device. who cares,
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Where? tell me where you can't get the evo? heck they lowered the price to 99$ and best buy online and stores have tons.
Sprint.com has not had a shortage in months.
Now if you are a sprint rep and want to hype what is just not there fine but please a shortage of evo's? check ebay if you want to see there is no shortage.Heck people with new evo's in box are under cutting each other on EBAY now cause of lack of new sales.
But please share with me where the shortage is for the current evo?
ahh ok a sprint rep lol.just got a IM saying the above me is a sprint rep no wonder the lie about a evo shortage lol when in fact there is plenty no matter where you look.
SO MR I WORK FOR SPRINT SHOW WHERE THE EVO SHORTAGE IS OR WAS IN THE LAST MONTH ANYWHERE LOL.
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When I checked online a couple of weeks ago at Sprint, the EVO was out of stock... In fact, just now is the first time I have seen it available on their site in awhile.
The EVO launch was a mess, there was a shortage from the beginning and they are just now catching up. There won't be a shortage of the EVO 3D as both Sprint and HTC will be better prepared for the launch.
A good friend of mine in KC, MO had to wait over 3.5-4 weeks to get an EVO. He was leaving AT&T & the iPhone and was bummed that they were out of stock for so long. I should also mention however that he was waiting for the white EVO.
I'm able to upgrade from my Thunderbolt to the Rezound for $99 (I can't seem to stomach the 2-yr contract even at that price!). I like my Thunderbolt but I have the itch to upgrade.... I can probably even sell my Thunderbolt on Ebay and make $100 lol. Anybody coming from a Thunderbolt wishing they stuck with the Thunderbolt and waited for a quad-core?
It's head and shoulders better than the Thunderbolt, but you may as well wait. With only two-year contracts these days it's worth the wait.
I've owned both, and I love my Rezound, but I got it as a replacement. I wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
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It's head and shoulders better than the Thunderbolt, but you may as well wait. With only two-year contracts these days it's worth the wait.
I've owned both, and I love my Rezound, but I got it as a replacement. I wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
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How did you manage to get it as a replacement?! I am on my 3rd replacement for the thunderbolt and they absolutely refuse to give me anything else.
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How did you manage to get it as a replacement?! I am on my 3rd replacement for the thunderbolt and they absolutely refuse to give me anything else.
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It was kind of a mess, and it took a week of ****ing up customer service, executive customer service, and some nasty emails. I don't recommend it.
Did you get your TBolt on a one-year contract? That's probably the problem. They told me they pretty much wouldn't give someone who was about to be off-contract a new phone. They eventually did, but it was awful.
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It was kind of a mess, and it took a week of ****ing up customer service, executive customer service, and some nasty emails. I don't recommend it.
Did you get your TBolt on a one-year contract? That's probably the problem. They told me they pretty much wouldn't give someone who was about to be off-contract a new phone. They eventually did, but it was awful.
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Exactly the problem. I paid extra for a one-year contract so they told me the same thing: We can't change your phone if you are able to upgrade. I am more than happy to go through the process if it means me not having to be in a stupid 2 year contract lol
Here's the best question...what would you be waiting for? All of the announced HTC phones aren't for CDMA carriers. Who knows when the next crop of phones would be hitting and what they would be.
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Here's the best question...what would you be waiting for? All of the announced HTC phones aren't for CDMA carriers. Who knows when the next crop of phones would be hitting and what they would be.
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Here's the best question...what would you be waiting for? All of the announced HTC phones aren't for CDMA carriers. Who knows when the next crop of phones would be hitting and what they would be.
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Exactly the problem. I paid extra for a one-year contract so they told me the same thing: We can't change your phone if you are able to upgrade. I am more than happy to go through the process if it means me not having to be in a stupid 2 year contract lol
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I was only able to because a CS agent ****ed up. Or, rather, did their job, and Verizon claimed they ****ed up, and so I appealed to a higher power.
A Verizon CS promised me a Rezound as a replacement, said it was in the mail, blah blah blah. I called a few hours later when I realized I wasn't sure if had included a battery and back in the package. The nice lady I talked to saw the order for the Rezound and no order for a battery and a backplate. So she ordered that and sent it to me.
Two days later I get two packages. One with the Rezound battery backplate and battery, and one with a Thunderbolt. One of those wtf moments. So I called in, asked what happened, and after hours on the phone they finally determined that the original CS agent was not authorized to give me a Rezound, and so the order had been cancelled, and they just sent me another Thunderbolt, all without telling me. All the while they gave me at least three or four different reasons, the first being that they had never ordered me a Rezound in the first place. So I asked the obvious question of, so why did I get a Rezound battery and backplate?
In the end they wouldn't budge. Only a Thunderbolt for me. No Rezound possible, despite them promising one to me.
I was kinda pissed, so I wrote executive CS an email detailing the situation. They called me, sorted the story out, and shipped me a Rezound.
I think the only reason I got a Rezound was because of their enormous series of ****ups. Without that they probably would have given me the same brush off they gave you. Well, they tried to give it to me. I'm not sure you'll have any luck--my situation was pretty particular.
Ironically I have a very similar issue. The customer service rep lied to me and said there is no other 4G HTC that is any better than mine so my option was to downgrade to a 3G HTC or take another Thunderbolt. I said "what about the rezound?". He told me the screen size was bigger on the Rezound so that is not possible. I responded by correcting him about the size. He said, "Ok fine, I will try to ship you the Rezound and you may have it by Tuesday but it will probably get denied. I will call you tomorrow if that happens". Sure enough, I was on the phone with his supervisor the next day because he never called me (shocker). They basically told me to pound sand in nice words. Eh whatever...
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Exactly the problem. I paid extra for a one-year contract so they told me the same thing: We can't change your phone if you are able to upgrade. I am more than happy to go through the process if it means me not having to be in a stupid 2 year contract lol
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That's weird to me. Because if you're able to upgrade then your contract is coming close to being up and you would be free to go to another carrier. A long time ago on Sprint or Cingular my phone broke when my contract was over and they said they didn't want to give me one for free (I had no insurance or anything) but at the same time they were unable to diagnose what the problem was since it couldn't turn on. So I told them if you can't tell me what's wrong with it and you won't replace it I'll just go get a free phone from another carrier. Within 5 minutes they were giving me a phone. They offered me a particular one and I asked about a different one that was the same price and they let me have that. This was in flip phone days, still it was $100 price on phone.
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That's weird to me. Because if you're able to upgrade then your contract is coming close to being up and you would be free to go to another carrier. A long time ago on Sprint or Cingular my phone broke when my contract was over and they said they didn't want to give me one for free (I had no insurance or anything) but at the same time they were unable to diagnose what the problem was since it couldn't turn on. So I told them if you can't tell me what's wrong with it and you won't replace it I'll just go get a free phone from another carrier. Within 5 minutes they were giving me a phone. They offered me a particular one and I asked about a different one that was the same price and they let me have that. This was in flip phone days, still it was $100 price on phone.
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I'm able to cancel in June... Verizon allows you to upgrade 4 months ahead of contract renewal.
It probably depends on your usage habits. My wife has a year left with the TB, but it's a great phone for her. The Rezound screen and camera are leaps and bounds better, but the battery life and overheating issues make me hesitant to say its a substantially better device.
If you are a power user who will really appreciate the screen and speed, upgrade. Otherwise wait for the next batch of phones that we're sure to see late summer or so. May as well stay on the cutting edge if you have the option!
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Don't take this as a wiseass commnent or anything but...Doesn't the Rezound have GSM hardware? When (other than the iPhone) has a manufacturer retrofitted a phone to work on Verizon?
From my experience and other's, they will pretty much only bulge ONLY if you are still a year or so ahead from the contract being done. People where able to upgrade from a Droid Charge to other 4G devices, same with the Bionic. Im getting my wife her 3rd Droid Charge replacement, it keeps dropping 4G like there's no tomorrow whereas my Rezound is perfectly fine. One more complaint and they guranteed me a different 4G phone.
From reading a bunch of other similar posts like mine, I think I'm gonna make the jump. @ $99 for such a powerful device, I'd probably be crazy for passing it up when it very recently came out
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From reading a bunch of other similar posts like mine, I think I'm gonna make the jump. @ $99 for such a powerful device, I'd probably be crazy for passing it up when it very recently came out
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I agree, I do have a feeling the Rezound will stay the best HTC phone on Verizon until the summer and even then still stay relevant.
Don't tell that to Verizon, they did a piss poor job of marketing the phone.
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Don't tell that to Verizon, they did a piss poor job of marketing the phone.
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Agreed! But I don't mind the price drop! Lol
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I'm able to upgrade from my Thunderbolt to the Rezound for $99 (I can't seem to stomach the 2-yr contract even at that price!). I like my Thunderbolt but I have the itch to upgrade.... I can probably even sell my Thunderbolt on Ebay and make $100 lol. Anybody coming from a Thunderbolt wishing they stuck with the Thunderbolt and waited for a quad-core?
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Hey everyone, most of you will know me from the Evo 4G, I am the creator of Azrael X and Stock Turbo ROMS. I loved my Evo 4G and I loved developing ROMS for it. I was due for Upgrade in July of last year, just in time to get the Evo 3D. I was excited because of the Specs of the Evo 3D and traded "up" for my "amazing Evo 3D". To be honest, I wish I had held out for the Samsung GS-II or switched to Verizon now!
Here is the issues I have had with the Evo 3D.
My first one: I take good care of my phones, I think in all the time I had my Evo 4G I dropped it once and it was in a case so no damage. One day, I went to use my Evo 3D's camera to take a picture of something funny to send to my friends. Well, my phone became unresponsive and then my phone's display got corrupted. I tried all the troubleshooting steps, redid the phone ROM, hard reset, EVERYTHING. No dice and I heard that sometimes the camera gets disconnected and you can press real hard and it will work again. Ironically I did that and it worked once, the next day I went to use the camera and it did it again, froze the phone for a few minutes and corrupted the display. So I went to a Sprint service center and they "could not fix it, my replacement would be ordered and I can pick it up in a few days." So I get my replacement and...
I get a replacement with Hboot 1.50: Hboot 1.50 really sucks, that is all there is to it. HTC lets you root your phone...for a price! You void your warranty (not completely but it's more or less at the discretion of the Sprint employee if your covered by warranty or not if you bring it in for service with an issue) and it's not even a full root! You cannot flash kernels or radios without jumping through hoops and your phone is not S-Off. There is no current method to get S-Off with Hboot 1.50 and all attempts thus far have failed. Why could they have not just fixed my camera on my original one? This is livable with but has taken away the desire from me to develop ROMS for this phone. Then there is the....
Other issues with my replacement Evo 3D: The new one likes to restart itself randomly. It actually caused me to nearly late for work one morning because my carefully set alarm went off when it decided to restart itself. Thankfully I woke up by myself and was able to rush, get ready, and barely make it! I no longer rely on it as my alarm unless there is nothing else available. This NEVER happened with my Evo 4G, it reliably served as my alarm. Then there is...
CIQ: Sprint and HTC are spying on you; even a tinfoil hat will not prevent them from logging your phone usage. I mean, I am sure there are ways that all phones and carriers can do this, but where did I sign a form that allows them to monitor my usage? Not to mention this logging still eats up memory, CPU cycles, and battery. Even if they took this out now, not to mention developers found ways to rip out CIQ innards from the phone, this is a lameness that I cannot fathom. Then there is....
Sprint:
They removed the "Sprint Premier" program, which is really stupid. Now you have to wait 2 full years to get an upgraded phone.
The Network seems worse than ever. 4G coverage around the south suburbs of Chicago is bad at best, not there at worst. There are a couple of dead spots I always hit on the way home from work on 294.
Rude employees at Sprint. I ended up talking to a lady who kept interrupting me and laughed at me when I said something about that. I have never said, "F%$ you" to a lady on the phone until then. I actually said that and hung up, I was fuming! (UPDATE: Yes I know any company has good and bad reps and it's always a chance you will get one or the other, but she took the cake for the rudest CS rep I have dealt with from any company maybe ever. It was not just what she said, it was how she handled my questions. I should also mention she is a manager.)
Other things that I do not like about the Evo 3D.
The Speakerphone: Both Evo 3D phones I have had have mediocre speakers. The first one is way quieter and has NO bass compared to my former Evo 4G. Minor but noticeable.
The signal: This may have been "early teething" problems but my Evo 4G seemed to pull in signal much better than the Evo 3D. This could be because of premature radio and PRL updates at the time but I would be interested now to see how they compare. My Evo 4G would have 5 bars while the 3D would have 1-3 bars.
The charger port: The Evo 4G was nice because the charging port was right on the bottom of the phone. This made it easy to charge it while you mess with the phone and/or want to charge and talk at the same time. The Evo 3D has the charger port on the upper-left side. If you attempt to charge and talk, you are putting stress on your cable and the port itself. Stupid placement IMO.
Less tinker friendly: Besides the already mentioned Hboot 1.5 (partial root and partial warranty breaker) you cannot use the volume or power buttons while the cover is off. This is of course REALLY being nitpicky as there is not much need for it. But when you need access to the battery, having to take the back off every time is an extra step.
Of course, the Evo 3D is a better phone than the Evo 4G as far as hardware specs and screen quality. I just wish it was better in almost all ways instead of just specs.
The good of the Evo 3D is quite numerous of course.
The specs
The 3D features are neat
Increased memory
The screen slightly better quality
No more light bleeding like on the Evo 4G
Hboot 1.5 is a stupid means of control and I cannot believe we void our warranty for the sake of a half-ass root! I had aspirations for Azrael X 3D but honestly I feel the Evo 3D has some great ROMS already and Hboot 1.5 is a big deal breaker for me.
I might have to pass on HTC and Sprint too next time around.
More on the next post, but I want to know if anyone else has buyers (and/or Sprint) remorse lately. I am thinking of moving to "Big Red" network.
Luckily I haven't experienced any of the issues you seem to be going through. I would recommend calling or stopping by sprint and have your replacement swapped out. Who knows you might get lucky and get one with 1.4, good luck man hope it works out.
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I would definitely push them to get you a replacement, it sounds like they gave you another defective one. If they give you a hard time about it showing "relocked" shoot me a PM and I may be able to help you out.
Man what's up. I remember your Roms and work for the EVO4G. Deff top notch.
Personally I don't have buyers remorse as mine has been great here no issues hardware wise.
As for the things you mentioned with sprint itself like the premier program...I'm with ya on that 100%. Hate it that they took that away. BUT according to the Sprint Advocates group that has conf calls with execs each month, Sprint has been researching a new loyalty program to replace it with to reward those of us again. Maybe the buy your upgrade back trial program is a slight form of it, though I know they have discussed more.
As for leaving sprint if you head to big red you pretty might end up with only getting Samsung phones as they have announced their stance on bootloaders and I wouldn't be shocked to see their future HTC phones not on the unlock list...
Personally i can't beat the price here and I really want to stick around with Sprint and see these NetworkVision deployments because network wise they will improve things 10 fold in many areas. The mere backhaul improvement being done at the towers is a giant leap in itself.
S4GRU.com has a ton of very very detailed info, a lot inside info too on this. Great site btw, any Sprint customer interested in the network and such I suggest heading over there and reading the enormous amount of detailed info they have, including some spectrum analysis...
Saw you mentioned Chicago specifically so I linked the two wall posts that discuss some info on that area specifically for ya.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...nd-lte-deployment-details-emerge-for-chicago/
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...-schedule-details-for-sprints-chicago-market/
As far as the customer service, that's a shame man and you really can't defend them for that.
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Hey ric, I thought you disappeared! I used to love your 4g roms. That sucks you've had so many issues. Good to see you're alive though.
We're comin from a pure power source.
Hey, I'm in the Chicago area too and I know there can be dead spots and sprint is the slowest of the carriers it seems. Where I'm at though, service is incredible. The Crestwood area. But I can't venture out too far before I see speeds drop. Signal strength seems to stay strong everywhere I go though. And I don't even bother using 4G. I can get it at home but not much anywhere else. And with wifi at home, what's the point? But I'm still happy with the service.
The phone I love too. I dropped it a couple times while in a case, no damage. Phone doesn't reboot, everything is responsive, etc. Maybe your replacement has something wrong with it.
Now, I did see lots of problems on custom roms or kernels or both for some reason. I trust the developers know what they're doing and I'm not a developer so I don't know why there were so many issues then. I didn't try every rom or kernel, but the popular ones I did always restarted and froze on my phone. It was like clock work. So I've stuck to the stock setup with some mods on top of it and have 0 problems.
As for CIQ goes, sprint removed it in the latest update I believe. But I wouldn't put it past then if there's some other way they're tracking us. Since the removal of ciq, things perform world's better too.
I won't get too into their customer service but I have had some really friendly support and I've had some that clearly don't enjoy their job but weren't rude to me. It happens everywhere.
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Sucks that you are having so many issues, my 3d has been rock solid but sprints data in my home town is horrible. Stuck in a contract til mid 2013. Hoping to see some improvement by then with the upcoming lte. Although i dont see much about florida in their upcoming deployments. Think i read awhile back about Miami, but that was it. Best wishes to you and hope things improve for all of us with sprint issues.
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CIQ is indeed removed, since the January 13th update. Most phone manufacturers and Sprint are working with eachother to remove CIQ if it hasn't been already. Be glad you didn't go with Samsung, I've had so many with issues it's not funny. If you are mad about a camera issue on HTC, wait till you see what Samsung can give you. Late (if ever updates), radio issues, physical KB keypress skips, crashing camera, you name it (depending on the model). The SII is lambasted with problems galore, google it. It sucks that the HTC is locked down more, but IMO, it's not like a Samsung so it's not entirely necessary to root because the phone itself doesn't have major experience killing issues.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH . I demand a reason of the removal of my posts .
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH . I demand a reason of the removal of my posts .
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i second this what the hell is going on nothing that was said was terrible.. explain ur reasoning >:O
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH . I demand a reason of the removal of my posts .
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Freedom of speech does not apply on a forum.
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"Freedom of Speech" doesn't always comply with XDA forum policies.
You mind showing us the policy and how what was said went against the policy?
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PM a mod if you have any gripes.
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You mind showing us the policy and how what was said went against the policy?
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I don't know what was said here but many of the rules here could be used to limit your speech and rightfully so. For example the rule 2.4...
Regardless PM the mod or a mod and ask, and you'll likely get an answer.
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I feel compelled to reply an I never post I have like 3 maybe IDk. Reading your post you sound very frustrated I get that been there but you are/were a custom rom developer?? How many cell carriers have you been with?
I was with Verizon for years they do not give a **** about any of their customers. They are more expensive for everything and they will nickel and dime you anyway they can. Verizon does not have blazing fast data 24/7 that covers every square inch of the USA.
They dropped sprint premiere, so what if you call sales they will upgrade you almost anytime you wanna buy a new phone an lock you down for two more years. Sprint buys back phones they always have some deal or incentive goin on. You buy a Verizon phone you aren't getting an upgrade for two yrs forget it.
Yea its not uncommon to talk to an idiot on the phone I myself as soon as I hear an accent not of the English language ask to speak someone else because I cannot understand them but you own a phone that they prob couldn't buy with their whole weeks paycheck.
I've had all the issues that you have with reboots freezes and whatnot no camera probs this is my 4th one. But hey they have replaced them with no hassle I've been offered other phones the photon for example which I passed on.
Idk what else you ask of them when they replace the defective product you can't justify getting mad at them for replacing a defective device with the lastest and least defective software.
THIS PHONE IS FAR SUPERIOR TO THE EVO4G which I had several of those I shattered the screen multiple times on all of them from dropping it. The speaker was a joke sure it was louder than the 3d until it blew the **** out. The 3D is sturdy and durable no problems from dropping not even a scratch on the screen I use no cases or protectors. Usb charging port is pathetic pos on EVO4g. 3D came out 1 year after 4G pretty dam good phone. There's nothing mind blowing that has come out since the 3D release I just don't get it. Were just now starting to see the next wave of technology that will soon outshine the phone.
Every other electronic device that you modify through software or hardware not provided by the OEM voids the warranty why does everyone feel cell phone manufactures/carriers shouldn't its just mind boggling. If you're fedup an rdy to tell sprint **** you kiss my ass it ain't always greener on the otherside even if its red.
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I don't care about customer service, I have dealt with good and bad reps of ANY company I have ever dealt with.
Sprint has unlimited plans but their network is mark-ably worse then when I first started using it.
Verizon has much better signal everywhere. I have a Verizon Mifi device and when my Evo 3D or Sprint Wifi device (which I returned) could not connect at work at all I was getting decent 4G with Verizon! No connection vs connection with 4G. And we all know Verizon has a much faster 4G data rate.
There are pros and cons to every carrier. I have friends who have all carriers, I have tried all of them almost (AT&T, US Cellular, T-Mobile, Sprint, Cingular) and there is plus and minus to all of them. But your post has some good points as well. Thank you for your reply and I agree with a LOT of what you said.
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I have no idea what you said but I am guessing your post was a typical "retaliation" thread against mine and maybe the mods removed it so this post does not become a back and forth. But 30 posts about how they removed your threads are taking THIS thread off subject, so please stick to the subject matter.
A lot of people reply to posts with counter arguments but many go overboard. Maybe you did and they removed it? I can only speculate....
Anyhow, you can disagree with me of course but keep it clean. I opened this post with MY feelings, if yours differ offer counter arguments but no need to be rude (not saying your reply was rude, but seems there was something up with it).
I added to my first post now with more information
Loved your roms on the 4G, basically the only reason I responded to this thread (usually stay away from xda now). Sorry about the problems you are having.
Hopefully you find a phone and a carrier that treats you as well as your last phone.
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I don't care about customer service, I have dealt with good and bad reps of ANY company I have ever dealt with.
Sprint has unlimited plans but their network is mark-ably worse then when I first started using it.
Verizon has much better signal everywhere. I have a Verizon Mifi device and when my Evo 3D or Sprint Wifi device (which I returned) could not connect at work at all I was getting decent 4G with Verizon! No connection vs connection with 4G. And we all know Verizon has a much faster 4G data rate.
There are pros and cons to every carrier. I have friends who have all carriers, I have tried all of them almost (AT&T, US Cellular, T-Mobile, Sprint, Cingular) and there is plus and minus to all of them. But your post has some good points as well. Thank you for your reply and I agree with a LOT of what you said.
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Hi Ric, I also loved your roms on the EVO 4G too. I also made the switch to red, not because of the EVO 3D. I loved the phone and it's a solid phone but I didn't have a 1.5 hboot either. I might have felt differently if I had one. I as you did got tired of watching my coverage get worse. I'm not that far from you and I was paying for 4G coverage and hardly getting it . Some may disagree but I felt my 4G was better when I had my OG EVO. I'm no longer under "unlimited" data but is sprint truly "unlimited" when there's threads about guys getting cancelled for using too much data when it's "unlimited"..Just my .02. I'm sure in true XDA fashion someone will say "good riddance" or "cool story bro" but I'm a forum veteran and have seen it all on forums of all types. If it helps with your choice I'm loving the 4GLTE coverage Ric.
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OK, #1, yes I know the forum rules (Not to bash, keep it clean, no religious stuff............) and I have not in my years here, broke them! BUT, I feel every now and then, I should be entiled to a free one? Today is that day!!
I say f**k Sprint! I was over at SprintFeed.com and Sprint has announced the EOL (End of Life) for Photon next month! I will tell you exactly why this pisses me off!!
#1 (Yea I know #1 is above, im starting over!). I went out and got the damm Evo for $500.00 summer of 2010. Last summer, Sprint blasted the TV with the Evo 3D but only one or 2 commercials for Photon. Photon, IMO, was and is, 100 times better than3D in every way, But Sprint blasted the damm Evo. I dont need a toy, I need a bussiness phone that will assist me in getting the job done. So I pay $638.00, no contract for Photon with 4G August 2, 2011.
#2. I work in IT, I have million $$$ ideas all the time, but it takes me 6 months to a year before anything actually gets done (plan, summary, approval, check, delivery) Therefore, with the November announcement of LTE, they knew damm right well when get got our phones, many of us, me included, did not have 4G and never would have it!! So the sales was entierly a lie!!!! (And to be honest, I cannot recall a TV commercial after August but I still see crap for the toy 3D!)
#3. If end of life is next month, then Q3 ICS is more smoke getting blown up our a**es!!
#4. With this announcement, my $638.00 Photon just became a worthless paperweight! Why? How much are you willing to pay me for my Photon, knowing that if it breaks or f**k's up one week later, your SOL? Seriously? This goes for anything in life! Would you pay top dollar for a I.B.M Thinkpad you know I.B.M no longer supports? NO!!!!
#5. Why is the original Evo still supported, but we did not even get a year? How come everyone got unlocked bootloader and ROM's out the a**? What did we get? Not a damm thing!!! (The development team here worked hard, but Sprint showed no support for them at all!!!)
#6. Also on SprintFeed.com, HTC and Sprint have big announcement April 4th where it is expected they will announce the new EVO for June 10th release date. If the spec's are whats expected, I will jump ship. Whats that gonna cost me?
#7. All so on that website, Wall Street had lowered the boom on Sprint. This means 2 things. They don't have the money they claim they have and could go bankrupt. and what happens to the LTE project and will I ever see 4G?
I just think, IMO, that this is a complete slap in the face to every Photon owner!!!
End of Rant!!
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#4. With this announcement, my $638.00 Photon just became a worthless paperweight!
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Huh, that's so weird, my Photon is still working great. I hope the devs here at XDA can come up with some kind of mod that blocks the worthless paperweight update.
Its not that serious bro, its just a phone. I love my photon and there's nothing sprint can do to change that.
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Dude!!!..... I can't complain abut my Photon, the 4 months or so it has been with me has NEVER let me down one bit, to this day it is the BEST phone I have ever owned, the international capabilities which I was finally able to try on a trip to Mexico last week made me love it even more. I was able to use a Telcel Sim card and used all the features in my phone with no problems no errors no nothing.
(Actually to my surprise Telcel's 3G speeds are awesome compared to Sprint's)
But sadly every phones has an EOL and technology is improving every second..
I don't really see the point of even have a fit about it LOL
Seeing that I no longer work for Sprint I have no issue saying this. Sprint half-assed the handling of the Photon since day one. Considering Sprint's history with Moto Android phones they had no faith in Moto's product and made no real effort to support or push the Photon. This started before the phone was ever released.
Sprint had the update fix for the silent call bug over a month PRIOR to the release of the Photon. Instead of pushing the update on launch day they held off for a month before releasing the fix. So you have a new phone with a major bug that didn't get fixed til after the crucial launch month window had passed. Result, a new phone that doesn't work for enough people to kill sales.
Sprint advertising and sales training was also almost nonexistant. In many cases it was "and Moto makes phones too but who cares" kind of approach. I had setup a live WebTop display running Firefox streaming HULU in the store I worked in. Customers thought it was the Evo 3D and didn't even know the Photon even existed. The first response when told it wasn't the 3D was "Yeh but the 3D can do that too." and very rarely could you convince them otherwise.
In short, Sprint could care less if they ever sell another Moto Android phone and have treated the Photon with that mindset from the start. They can now go back to Moto and say "Look, your crappy phone doesn't sell so no Sprint for you."
Just because it will reach EOL status doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I started with the original Droid on Verizon and EOL was reached a loooong time ago on it and a small update was recently available for it! And there is still development going on for it as well. As long as we have some good devs that still care about it, EOL status is irrelevant.
oh well, fun while it lasted, i upgraded to the photon over my OG evo, loved it since day one, i recently went back to my EVO 3D, so when the ICS update comes out (as promised i hope) i'll update my photon and go back to it, but when it's completely gone, all i'll say is, i have a rare sprint phone (just like my echo) that not a lot of people have, and wait for the newest smartphone to come out
You do realize that all Wimax phones will be going EOL come about Summer when lte launches. And everybody else is right EOL just means they start to pull inventory from the stores no biggie. like the evo shift, epic, nexus, and trender i work at a store and we haven't gotten a shipment for them in 2 weeks and we are out.
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Agreed
As I'm sure MOST people who own a MoPho agree, this phone needs much more love from the dev community, I love this phone in it's natural form! I had an OG Evo 4G and modding it was the only thing I could do to keep it up and running. This phone KILLS IT out of the box! The Tegra 2 is incredibly smooth.
I really want ICS for it, but I'll have this MoPho for A LOT longer than my crap EVO.
Signed,
A faithful first time Moto owner
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Also, If this phone IS EOL soon, does that mean it WILL get unlocked? Just curious if they didn't care about a phone anymore, they would UNLOCK the bootloader for us.
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Also, If this phone IS EOL soon, does that mean it WILL get unlocked? Just curious if they didn't care about a phone anymore, they would UNLOCK the bootloader for us.
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Nope. It means no updates,support or unlock from official channels. Sprint will still repair/replace it but short of PRL and critical security updates, the phone doesn't exist to Sprint after the EOL date. I'd also expect this to kill the ICS update as well as it will not have passed Sprint's internal "QC and testing" and I do not believe Moto has authorization for a direct push.
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Nope. It means no updates,support or unlock from official channels. Sprint will still repair/replace it but short of PRL and critical security updates, the phone doesn't exist to Sprint after the EOL date. I'd also expect this to kill the ICS update as well as it will not have passed Sprint's internal "QC and testing" and I do not believe Moto has authorization for a direct push.
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I really hope that's not true - since they've officially announced the ICS update for the Photon, I would hope they keep their word. Although I've been frustrated with all the dead links throughout the forums here, I have been still very happy with the Photon vs the Evo so far, it's an amazing device.
Sprint's got me barely hanging on by halving my bill while the network upgrades supposedly happen -- but if speeds don't increase and awesome devices like this aren't supported, I'll be joining the hordes jumping ship to Verizon.
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No religious stuff? Everyone knows Jesus is the way! If ya don't l, he is!
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I hope this works out for Sprint. In two years, no iDen or WiMax networks. That should greatly cut costs.
I use to love Sprint, but now it's just like they're in the business of hooking you in for the business and then coming up with ways to increase your bill. I use to have 5 lines, all qualified for the company discount, then only 2, and now only 1. I've transferred my phone over to Google, so that moving forward I can switch between companies with minimal inconveniences. Sprint essentially has no high-end world phones....
OK, Most of you are missing the entire point! I have NO problems with my Photon. I LOVE MY PHONE!!!
Go back and read post #5 and #10 by lokifish Marz. Sprint s**t on this phone from day 1!! I said it in my OP, he confirmed it as a ex-Sprint empolyee!!!
I will tell you a funny story. August 20th 2011 my power button fell out, so I had to use my finger nail to cut it on/off. Me and 2 co-workers took it to Sprint at the Garden State Plaza on RT4 in New Jersey. Chick tells me, "I have one of the tech look at it!" No problem. This idiot comes from the back and the first thing out of his mouth, "Have you had this phone for 30 days or less?" Just like lokifish Marz said, no training and no marketing!
As for XDA Development, most of the heavy hitters have jump ship and do cleanup work here (which we are thankful!)
Now the new EVO is something to brag about, no doubt. But August 1st of 2011, This was by far the best phone available from ANY carrier, and Sprint gave it no love!
EOL would kinda suck as I was planning to keep this until March when my contract is up, then re-evaluate if I want to keep Sprint.
On the other hand, I do remember back in September the Evo 4g was on the EOL list for October. It still has not gone EOL. Then again that was a far more popular phone.
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On the other hand, I do remember back in September the Evo 4g was on the EOL list for October. It still has not gone EOL. Then again that was a far more popular phone.
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Its back on the list for "Early April". I dont get why EVO 3D is not on the list and Photon is?
Before getting the Photon, I had a Droid Eris on Verizon and I went through the same thing. Thanks to the xda devs and community, I was able to squeeze 2 years out of it. Before rooting and loading a custom rom, using the phone was a nightmare.
I guess I'm getting used to, and have the unfortunate luck, of buying the devices that receive the least support down the road. I chose Sprint, because I thought they were somehow less evil than Verizon but corporations will be corporations.
I still hope the Photon will have a long life after losing official support. I love the phone itself.
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Before getting the Photon, I had a Droid Eris on Verizon and I went through the same thing. Thanks to the xda devs and community, I was able to squeeze 2 years out of it. Before rooting and loading a custom rom, using the phone was a nightmare.
I guess I'm getting used to, and have the unfortunate luck, of buying the devices that receive the least support down the road. I chose Sprint, because I thought they were somehow less evil than Verizon but corporations will be corporations.
I still hope the Photon will have a long life after losing official support. I love the phone itself.
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This sounds very familiar to me, except for me it was the Palm Pre instead of the Droid Eris. I'm starting to think I'm a curse - if I like a phone, prepare for it to turn into a stepchild and let the bitterness begin. Maybe I should go buy an iPhone and see if I can kill it...
braindeadracefan said:
Maybe I should go buy an iPhone and see if I can kill it...
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Go for it! haha!
abrcrmdl23 said:
You do realize that all Wimax phones will be going EOL come about Summer when lte launches. And everybody else is right EOL just means they start to pull inventory from the stores no biggie. like the evo shift, epic, nexus, and trender i work at a store and we haven't gotten a shipment for them in 2 weeks and we are out.
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you feel the Nexus is a good upgrade from coming EVO?