Hey everyone I am currently running GtabComb 3.1 and enjoying it, but am just curious if there are people that have ran both FB 5.4 and GTabComb 3.1 and which you prefer. Is one actually better than the other? Are they the same as far as features? Do they have the same quality of video playback even though hardware acceleration is not in either as far as I know. Just kinda curious.
On the Honeycomb side of things, I've only used BoS and FB (also used froyo/gingerbread based ROMs, but they don't feel "right" after using HC). Currently, I'm using FB 5.4 and am very pleased with it; I may give GtabComb a try tomorrow and then give you my impressions.
To me honeycomb is honeycomb they both have their pros and cons.
although i do really like gtabcomb too
The latest port from the Adam/Vega devs is Adamcomb 0.2 and it does run on the Gtab if you are on BL 1.2. Zhyong has taken that port and made BL 1.1 and 1.2 Gtab versions which use Pershoot's kernel, allowing you to overclock and most likely fixing the GSensor. His is called GTabComb and I personally run that now. I used assorted versions of Bottle Of Smoke but Roebeet is on summer holiday. Plus some GTabs suffer sleep of death on BL 1.2 roms using Pershoot's kernel because of undervolting, and mine is one of them, so I like that Zhyong has a BL 1.1 version that is in every other way identical.
So long as Zhyong keeps up with the Adamcomb versions and puts them out for BL 1.1 and 1.2, I'll probably stick with that.
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So long as Zhyong keeps up with the Adamcomb versions and puts them out for BL 1.1 and 1.2, I'll probably stick with that.
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+1 for gtabcomb, especially if your running a 1.1 BL, I've had some negative experiences with the 1.2 stuff and really like the 1.1 stuff with cwm better.
+2 for gtabcomb too, excellent rom, using 1.2bl with no issues
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Running 5.4 and its been great!
Its holding me over until the next gen of tablet software is released.
The G Tab is the little tablet that could... Its a shame the world has dismissed it.
Been running Flashback. Solid ROM, responsive, fast, I haven't had any issues with it
I have tried FlashBack, BoS, and GTabComb on 1.2. All three are done well and worked for.
GtabComb has been the best performer with the least amount of issues for me. I have been on it the longest at this point.
Once HW Acceleration and Flash is completely fixed I will be extremely happy. I use mine for business so the HW Acceleration is not super important, but I still want it. I can get around flash by using Opera for now.
GtabComb here and it works great. It has replaced my planner at work. Happy that bluetooth is back in b3.2.
+1 for gtabcomb, running for a few days now and love it
Oddly enough gtabcomb is hugely popular on xda while its all about FB on slatedroid. Anyways, this is not authoritative but my two cents goes towards gtabcomb and specifically I used 3.2 in comparison with FB5.5. Gtabcomb is quicker/snappier from what I could see, and even dealt with program crashes a lot better. When games or programs crashed, at least I cold exit to home page. For my Feb experience, it was 85% hard reboot in these situations. Both are great devs but tlbardelljr rolls out updates quicker. If you ever get past the ooohhhs and ahhhhhs of HC, you'll see the infancy of it and the plagues of slowdowns, DC and every game shutting off on you within 15 minutes of play even off the cleanest of installs.
I have tryed all the HC ROMs and I concider them all very good I am currently on GTAB combo 3.3 and it runns very fast and I have not had any problems
all hc roms are almost same
I have used BoS, FB and Gtabcomb, along with my own customizations specifically on lowmem settings, mount options and init.rc. I really felt there were only minor differences. If you unzip the files of each of these roms, and do a "diff -r --brief", you will know what are those differences. Only a handful of files are different, really. So if you want you can pick and pock the goods from each.
As somebody else in this forum mentioned no two persons will like the same exact kind of combinations on a rom. When I get some time I could document my changes and release that doc.
I like the philosophy of some rom developers, who keep the base system image same, and then release deltas on top of that (delete some files from base, and add some other files to base). Irrespective of what I like, all these developers are doing a great job, and I cannot forget that they are taking slots from their personal time to do this.
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Hello all,
In your opinions, what is the most stable and bug free rom out for the gtab right now? I have Gadam right now as my daily, but looking for another to switch
between, but I don't want to make the wrong choice.
I really liked TnT Lite, but it doesn't see PEAP authenticated wireless networks. Running Vegan 5.11 now, it runs well too but I've had intermittent issues with the apps market.
To be honest they all have their bugs, you just have to find the right rom that fits your needs. I started with tnt lite when I first got my gtab from woot. I was getting alot of apps fc'ing so I tried vegan tab 5.1.1 then got bored so I tried caulkins which had some issues. Also tried vegan gingerbread which i really like but couldn't play videos so now I'm back to vegan 5.1.1 which is the most stable and works best for my needs.
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+1 on VEGAn 5.1.1.
If the rom just working and not having a bunch of force closes is boring then this is not the rom for you. However, if you just want your gTab to be fast and reliable then this is the rom for you.
I'm loving Vegan 7 RC1. It's Gingerbread based so you don't get blazing fast hardware video decoding, but thus far that isn't a feature I use. For browsing the web, streaming the news (video or audio) Wifi location support, etc etc it is AWESOME.
Another one for vegan. I like more the UI of tapntap, looks more like a tablet, but doesn't work as smooth as vegan. Just waiting for Vegan 7 to have the video drivers.
+1 for VEGAn 5.1.1
Keep the opinions coming.
I've been on Vegan Tab and is nice though I do get FC's on more than a rare occasion.
It does not auto rotate the home screen; since we all know the gtab does have the best viewing angles, I frequently flip it around, but every time I go back to home screen its upside down.
Does TnT Lite auto rotate home screen? Which other ROMs do?
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I've been on Vegan Tab and is nice though I do get FC's on more than a rare occasion.
It does not auto rotate the home screen; since we all know the gtab does have the best viewing angles, I frequently flip it around, but every time I go back to home screen its upside down.
Does TnT Lite auto rotate home screen? Which other ROMs do?
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I'm using launcher pro with auto rotate enable and it works fine. Rotates to all side, up, down, left, right. Maybe you have to check your launcher?
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+1 on VEGAn 5.1.1.
If the rom just working and not having a bunch of force closes is boring then this is not the rom for you. However, if you just want your gTab to be fast and reliable then this is the rom for you.
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+1 VEGAn 5.1.1 it is fast stable and runs circles around the stock ROM.
I couldn't comprehend using anything other than the Calkulin+Clemsyn OC Combo. It provides what I believe to be the best ROM (Calkulin) with the best kernel (Clemsyn 1.5Ghz OC) in a single package. If you think VEGAn 5.1.1 is fast, try this combo, it will blow you away.
Fast but no stable and somethings doesn't work like gps tethering, Bluetooth file transfer, etc... so faster doesn't mean always better.
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I'm loving Vegan 7 RC1. It's Gingerbread based so you don't get blazing fast hardware video decoding, but thus far that isn't a feature I use. For browsing the web, streaming the news (video or audio) Wifi location support, etc etc it is AWESOME.
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+1 for Gingerbread based rom, seem like custom build rom are better than Froyo almost emulator rip... Eventually they will be the one to use!
Gojimmy has done a very good work with his custom launcher!
Calkulin / Clemsyn is also a very good choice
I can't believe that more love hasn't been shown for Calkulin and Clemsyn. I am running Calkulin's 1.1 with an unreleased version 10 of Clemsyn and it is smoking fast, stable (no sleep issues), and plays videos flawlessly (rock player light).
For my purposes, it does everything better than Vegan 5.1.1 which I loved before.
I am tempted by the new combo rom that Clemsyn is now supporting but I am generally a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" kinda guy.
I would be tempted to try a gingerbread rom if NVidia supports it with drivers.
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I've been on Vegan Tab and is nice though I do get FC's on more than a rare occasion.
It does not auto rotate the home screen; since we all know the gtab does have the best viewing angles, I frequently flip it around, but every time I go back to home screen its upside down.
Does TnT Lite auto rotate home screen? Which other ROMs do?
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Gojimi's free launcher looks fantastic and does auto-rotate the home screen.
Am I missing something?
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I couldn't comprehend using anything other than the Calkulin+Clemsyn OC Combo. It provides what I believe to be the best ROM (Calkulin) with the best kernel (Clemsyn 1.5Ghz OC) in a single package. If you think VEGAn 5.1.1 is fast, try this combo, it will blow you away.
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I've read several people on this thread and others that say such and such rom is faster than such and such other rom. Seriously, what do you guys do on your gTabs that you keep having to jump on the next "fastest" benchmark screenshot? I really don't get it so can someone give me some real life examples so I can understand? Is it purely for bragging rights or what?
I'm running VEGAn 5.1.1 now but before that I tried a few TnT variants and nothing I used my gTab for seemed to be noticibly affected by one or another flavor of rom except for stability.
I use the hell out my gTabs by the way. I watch videos I've ripped, play games like Samurai 2: Vengeance, use remote desktop software to access work computers to do work, create and modify Office documents, and use Flash to watch videos on sites like Fox Television and HULU.
So I just want to know why I should be jumping to a new rom or kernel release every day. And yes I know about pershoot's overclock kernel too which would let you show your buddies a screenshot with crazy fast numbers on a benchmark.
If you're not a newbie and flashing something new everyday makes you feel complete then by all means, do it, we need folks like you to flush out bugs for the cookers to fix. But I feel like we've got a lot of new members that joined us recently that aren't all that experienced at modding and steering them in directions of roms or kernel hacks that are either unnecessary or not very stable for most users' everyday needs is irresponsible.
That's my humble opinion and I'll get of my soapbox now.
Really torn between Calkulin and Clemsyn, and vegan now. I care more about stable and less bugs/problems then speed.
Since going to Vegan Ginger period, I have had zero issues. Granted, mine is for recreational use at the moment so nvflashing often isnt an issue. Not to take anything away from Calkulin, both ROMs seemed just as stable/fast for my daily use. The deciding factor then was look, feel, and (for me) settings. lol Vegan and gojimi's VTL Launcher lets me customize practically anything.
+1 Vegan RC, but to each their own. You wont find whats best for your setup in this thread, not until you try each ROM and see for yourself.
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Really torn between Calkulin and Clemsyn, and vegan now. I care more about stable and less bugs/problems then speed.
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If you plan on using it to play videos then go with something Froyo as none of the Gingerbread ROM's have hardware acceleration so video will be choppy.
I noticed a thread about "The best ROM"...When I recently purchased my gTablet, I was wondering the same thing. I realize that best is subjective and started to do my homework on finding out what works best for me. I am not sure I found that, but I do like the ROM that I currently have, so best or not, I am happy. It occurs to me though, that others will have a similar question. From people who have used more of these ROMs than I have can we put together a list of ROMs, and what they were built to do?
Like anything, there are compromises, and developers need to make decisions along the way. They can chose to optimize this or that, perhaps not both due to some constraints, time, resources, etc. So, I guess I am asking, what ROMs are optimized for what?
Is there a ROM that plays games better than others?
Is there a ROM that plays video better than others?
Is there a ROM that is screaming fast compared to others?
Is there a ROM that allows for more customization that others?
I do not know what the exact criteria is, or what people are looking for from their tablets. I bought mine as a toy. I wanted to play with it and muck around (something I was not willing to do with my phone, well because it is my phone and if I broke it, I would not be happy).
I think that apps were the most important thing to me. I wanted a ROM that was stable and could play lots of apps. I ended up choosing the VEGAn Gingerbread ROM. I know the camera does not work for anything. I believe it has issue with videos, but the apps work great. I am good with this combination.
So, again I ask (after dribbling on and on) what ROMs are optimized for what?
really, the biggest diffierences are the interfaces, but honestly, changing the launcher can accomplish a GUI change in just about any rom.
essentially, there are 2 Android versions available for a stable rom, Froyo (TNT Lite, Vegan 5.1.1, and Calkulin I think, never used it, so I'm not sure) and Gingerbread (Vegan Ginger, and CM7). There should be major differences between Froyo based roms, and Gingerbread based roms. One similarity between them is that they are both designed for phones, not tablets. Changing a launcher will help give it a tablet optimized feel.
I currently use Brillian Corners (1.2 based Vegan 5.1.1 Rom) with Launcher Pro. I use Launcher Pro simply becuase I like the customizable LP widgets. VTL Launcher (a custom version of ADW, basically) is a Launcher that's been modified for tablets.
In addition to the roms themselves, there are custom kernels, that optimize the performance of the machines. Pershoot and Clemsyn are the foremost experts in custom kernel development and tweaking.
So, you can choose a rom based on your needs...as you mentioned, apps. Vegan 5.1.1 worked well for me, to run apps. I had flashed Clemsyn's kernel to run with it. I could still watch videos if hte need would arise, and the camera worked...but honestly, how good can a 1.3 MP camera work on ANY rom...
Anyway, I then flashed to Brilliant Corners to move to the 1.2 dev branch. Roebeet discovered that pershoots Adam kernal already worked, so he had him port it over and include it in the install. So, now, I basically have the same exact setup I had before, only on a 1.2 dev branch for future flashing ease.
I'm running LauncherPro, since I didn't much care for the VTL Launcher's lack of widgets.
Vegan Ginger and CM7 wouldn't work for me, since I do need video support, to keep the 7 year old busy when I want him to calm down.
In any case, customization is the key. You can have any rom, with any kernel, and find what works for you.
The only Rom available that is specifically designed for tablets is Honeycomb. There is no official version, and I didn't include it as an option above becuase it's still in Alpha stage. I wouldn't recomend it for anyone that wants an everyday Rom. It's mainly good for people that want to test it, and assist in the developemnt of it. Once all the bugs are worked out, OpenGl drivers are found, and it's tweaked for optimum performance, then it's a no brainer to go to it. It's made for tablets, it's powerful, and with the correct video driver optimization, it will be, by far, the best Rom available.
This is why I try to encourage people to go to the 1.2 dev branch if they plan on flashing a "legacy" Rom like TNT Lite, or Vegan 5.1.1. If they go to the 1.2 equalivilent, then they are halfway to Honeycomb when it get's ironed out.
if you plan on sticking with Gingerbread, then by all means, stay with 1.1, and use Vegan Ginger or CM7.
What do you think is the best rom/ theme in our opinions and why?
Keep the speed, looks, features, etc. in mind!
Thanks.
I've landed on Calkulin+Clemsyn 1.5ghz Froyo Combo VERSION 6 (1.2 Boot Loader)
It's overclocked to 1.5ghz and runs smoother than anything I've played with yet. It's based on the stock rom but obviously modified to remove the crap. The stock rom has some nice features which you miss out on when moving to a more phone oriented version of froyo or ginger. Little things like the way combo boxes display on websites...
The battery life is surprisingly good. Feels as good as Vegan or TNT Lite to me, and I haven't yet delved into undervolting.
I've used every rom out there except the honeycomb ones. I am currently using vegan ginger oc to 1.2ghz. That said, the one that has the best performance has to be calkulin+clemsyn oc to 1.2ghz hands down.
I say 1.2 ghz instead of 1.5ghz is because I'm putting into account the battery performance. Calkulin's rom is already really really fast without oc. Everything about it is just smooth as hell. In fact, I think I'll go back to calkulin+clemsyn oc combo later this week. For me, performance beats the latest and greatest.
well thanks a bunch guys guess thats how I'm starting off once i root this baby
Any themes to lay accross it?
I've tried all of them 1.1 and 1.2 opted for Beasty's ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084573). I recently tried G-Harmony Gingerbread 2.3.4 but it seemed slow and experienced unexpected FCs but the potential for USB GPS use forces me to keep an eye on that release. Until then, I'll stick with Beasty's ROM.
I've been patiently waiting for a reasonable Honeycomb ROM like everyone else here seems to be. Tried to get Illuminated, but the WiFi never worked for me, no matter what fixes I tried. I ended up (happily) with Bottle of Smoke 4.1 which still has a few minor issues, but it is a welcome change from the stock Tap-N-Taps I have been living with. Now that Viewsonic has clearly abandoned us, I fealt it was due time to hit the Custom ROMs and for now BoS is acceptable for my everyday use. (Fixes will come in time)
raskell, I, too, have been interested in the Illuminate ROM and was close to giving it a spin tonight but the feedback I've read gave me enough reason to hang tight with Beasty. It does seem the HC choices are getting more and more stable, though. The community effort for this is unreal.
Just wanted to get some opinions on what people are running on their G Tablets, and feel is the best performing ROM?
Also do most/all ROMs support and utilize the dual core of the Tegra?
Any opinions and suggestions on getting the best performing G Tablet would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks much.
Anything on the 1.2 bootloader is going to perform better. The kernels activate the second core at 60% of core ones capacity where kernels for 1.1 activate core 2 at redline of core 1.
Thanks Mantara. Any personal preferences on ROMS? I've tried TNT Lite, and like it, but seem to still have some sluggishness with WIFI, and would like to try something newer based on an Android 2.3 or 3.0 core.
Hold off on any 3.0 roms for now. Still lots of brick issues.
Are you on bootloader 1.1 or 1.2?
If your on 1.1 try calculins+clemsyns version 5. Its got cool tweeks that block adds and control CPU speed based on battery level. It is my personal favorite.
If your on 1.2 I would use cm7 mod for 1.2 in the development section. You can easily get Netflix working, its stable and it has that cyanogen charm that has really made android shine.
You can use cm7 on bootloader 1.1 and C+C on 1.2 (version 6) but through my use I have found them faster and more stable running on the BLs I stated above.
All this is just personal preference though. The whole reason we are on this site is trying things out to find out exactly what we personally like.
Happy flashing,
Ive only had my gtab for a week. Ive tried cm7 based on the. 1.1 then i went to vegan based on 1.2. The vegan is much faster but im not sure if its vegan itself or the different build that is making such a big difference
Vegan 7 has some good tweeks. It just isn't being supported any more.
Kernel makes a big difference. Did you flash a new kernel over cm7?
Also with 1.2 vegan the stock kernel (made by pershoot) is optomized and overclocked to 1.4ghz.
Cm7 for 1.2 has more optimization and than vegan simply for the fact vegan is based off of cm7 7.0.0
And the 1.2 cm7 is 7.0.3. That's about a thousand changes to the rom.
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Respectfully disagree with this statement. I have been running Roebeet's HC ROMs since the very beginning and, except for a couple of brief problematic versions, have thoroughly enjoyed them all with no bricking along the way.
Currently on Bottle of Smoke 5.2 alpha and have yet to see issues when I flash to a new one. (IMHO) the vast majority of people who are soft-bricking are not following the correct instructions in some way. I did read about a bunch of issues with the illuminate version (modded copy of Roebeet's older ROM). If you stick with Roebeet's stuff and his directions (exactly) you should not have problems. Also GoodIntentions has his G-tab for Dummies site with even more simplified steps.
Before this I ran VEGAnTab (latest) and the only thing I had with that one that I don't now is the camera (no big loss) and flash videos (again, not a big deal). This is my daily driver - I have way over 200 apps installed and every single one that I have tried works fine so far. Overclocked to 1.4 with no FCs yet. At work I stream music with TuneIn Pro and have News360 running all day long and still have 30+% of battery left at day's end. My Quadrant scores are usually 1800-2200 and that is with a pile of stuff being loaded at boot.
For me, it all basically boils down to the interface. I really like the HC one and could not go back to a FroYo or GB-based one now.
Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
@ mantra, i borked my tab on my first try going from cm7(1.1) to vegan(1.2) so i ended up nvflashing 1.2 stock then loaded vegan- not sure what exactly that mean on the state of my kernel. (first time paying with roms this week)
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Anything on the 1.2 bootloader is going to perform better. The kernels activate the second core at 60% of core ones capacity where kernels for 1.1 activate core 2 at redline of core 1.
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I saw this comment last week, as well - do we have any evidence of this? Did someone test this and document or is this some third-party boast? I'm just curious because, if it's true, it's the first true improvement over 1.1. The other things like Adam compatibility are important, but it doesn't necessarily make 1.2 BETTER than 1.1, just a little more convenient for things like HC development.
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....Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
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I love reading stuff like this - THAT makes modding worth doing. People have assumptions on the GTAB on what it can or can't do, so mods like this show them that it's not impossible if the vendor just pushed for it.
Btw, I agree about the interface over the 2.2/2.3 ROMs. The latter still feels like a big phone interface, even with the UI changes of things like CM7 or EDEN. HC really makes a tablet feel like a tablet, imo - and once they catch up with things like Netflix support, I think HC will eventually dominate.
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Hold off on any 3.0 roms for now. Still lots of brick issues.
Are you on bootloader 1.1 or 1.2?
If your on 1.1 try calculins+clemsyns version 5. Its got cool tweeks that block adds and control CPU speed based on battery level. It is my personal favorite.
If your on 1.2 I would use cm7 mod for 1.2 in the development section. You can easily get Netflix working, its stable and it has that cyanogen charm that has really made android shine.
You can use cm7 on bootloader 1.1 and C+C on 1.2 (version 6) but through my use I have found them faster and more stable running on the BLs I stated above.
All this is just personal preference though. The whole reason we are on this site is trying things out to find out exactly what we personally like.
Happy flashing,
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Thanks much! That's exactly what I was looking for, some personal preferences as a starting point.
I'm not sure if I have 1.1 or 1.2 on the boot loader - would love to get NetFlix going on it; so that's prob. going to be my starting point.
Bells and Whistles are nice lol
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For me, it all basically boils down to the interface. I really like the HC one and could not go back to a FroYo or GB-based one now.
Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
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Thanks Nun. I definitely would love to have a better interface than the typical phone feel; and NetFlix would be great.
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Just wanted to get some opinions on what people are running on their G Tablets, and feel is the best performing ROM?
Also do most/all ROMs support and utilize the dual core of the Tegra?
Any opinions and suggestions on getting the best performing G Tablet would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks much.
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well so far. i haven noticed much difference in 1.1 and 1.2 roms. both variations have the plus and minus
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i think it would be froyo, since everything is supported. FULL hw acceleration (of what ive been told). gb roms were pretty good too. But still have issues. and hc have many issues.
so froyo roms. now which one. ive tried the beastly one, and that was the best for me. Im currently on b corners but too many problems that i might go back to beastlys if i cant figure out this damn wifi bug
cheers
After a couple weeks venturing in the honeycomb world, I'm back to froyo. Specifically, I'm back to calk+clem combo.
VTL launcher + ripple lock + scrollable widgets + full hardware acceleration + OC + full stability = me happy.
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I saw this comment last week, as well - do we have any evidence of this? Did someone test this and document or is this some third-party boast? I'm just curious because, if it's true, it's the first true improvement over 1.1. The other things like Adam compatibility are important, but it doesn't necessarily make 1.2 BETTER than 1.1, just a little more convenient for things like HC development.
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As far as I know neither clemsyn and pershoot have made 1.1 versions of their alterations to the 1.2 kernels that change the power step in the second cores activation.
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In 1.1 cpu1 runs onlywhen cpu0 is running 1000 and above. In 1.2 I changed it to run when cpu0 is 600 and above. I can also make one for 1.1 but I'm moving forward to 1.2.
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I have not read pershoots change log in a two weeks-ish so that may have changed but clemsyn has stated that he will Not make a 1.1 version with the change in power step as he is looking towards the future (1.2) and not the past (1.1). I'm just going off of what I have read on here and SLD. If I am reading this wrong I would appreciate a correction. I don't want to be spreading fallacy all over xda and misleading people.
As far as HC, once its in beta, I will shout it rom the rooftops that people flash it. Until then recommending it to flash as one of your first roms I can't recommend. HC will dominate the tablet world, it is beauty and functionality in motion. But to a person just wanting stability and full functionality it doesn't hit the mark yet. I believe to understand the present and to grasp the future you must know your history. This is why I will always recommend flashing a froyo or GB varient the first time, at least until HC is at least the state that GB is with hardware accell and flash.
As stated earlier, this is just my preference and that is the reason we are all on this site, its all about personal preference.
Thanks - so it's not that it's not possible, it's just that at least one of the kernel devs (Clem) isn't planning to backport his 1.2 changes to 1.1.
I'm a very big supporter of 1.2, but it's important to make that distinction, imo. I'm really not sure WHY there's a 1.2 to begin with (yes, we know that the voltage levels were changed, but not why it was done). All I know is that the Adam is 1.2 based, and Notion Ink is our best chance right now for an HC port with full acceleration. So 1.2 is where I'm staying.
Agreed on you assessment of the current HC port, btw. I call it an alpha for a reason - some things work really well, but a few important things are broken so it's more for advanced users who don't mind the caveats.
I just got my tablet about a month ago, so I'm new to a lot of this stuff. I've learned quite a lot so far. I'm using VEGAn-Tab Ginger edition. I thought about trying some of the other roms, but everything I need works fine on this one. Flash,Videos,web browsing,slingplayer, and others. Maybe when a beta version of honeycomb becomes available I'll upgrade.
just a follow up on this question- i have tried about 8 of the roms so far i love the "feel of the ginger and honey comb roms better but so far nothing beats the calk+clem combo for functionality and speed. i currently run it at 1.4 using cpu master to dial it back a bit. i had a bit of instability running it at 1.5
Try them all....I have yet to hear of a hard brick
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tmx2112 said:
I'm not sure if I have 1.1 or 1.2 on the boot loader - would love to get NetFlix going on it; so that's prob. going to be my starting point.
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roebeet said:
Btw, I agree about the interface over the 2.2/2.3 ROMs. The latter still feels like a big phone interface, even with the UI changes of things like CM7 or EDEN. HC really makes a tablet feel like a tablet, imo - and once they catch up with things like Netflix support, I think HC will eventually dominate.
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One of the most exciting things I wanted to do on a tablet was run Netflix. Dare I say, once I saw a youtube video showing a G-tablet hacked to run Netflix properly (as well as Hulu directly off the site), it was my inspiration to bite the bullet and say I wanted one.
Little did I realize that Netflix currently only works on one rom, CM7, and that rom is not exactly the best option for this thing.
I just came back from a Digital Experience media event in NYC (I have a press pass), where I got to play with the new BB playbook, Samsung 10" tab, and the new webOS tablet. Made me realize how slow and laggy CM7 appears to have made my Gtablet! The tegra chip is capable of more, I've seen it fly through other roms, but I picked CM7 which lacks just about any kind of HW acceleration.
Meanwhile, there are all these little things that irk me- the camera doesn't work in apps like oovoo or yahoo messenger, there's a weird microSD/MMC bug that hides either your internal memory or your SD card (you can at least switch by flashing a zip that renames thins, but you still have to pick one to be invisible to most apps), and the mouse cursor doesn't work if you plug in a USB mouse.
That last one is an issue because I have one of these keyboard/mouse combo mini USB things:
http://gadgetynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/LenovoMiniWirelessKeyboard.jpg
And on other roms (like the stock one), it gives a mouse pointer I can move around and click where I want to pretend I'm touching the screen (pretty cool!). On CM7, it treats it like a track ball that moves the cursor around. So while I'm typing, if it shakes, the cursor moves to the left or right of where I'm trying to type. SUPER ANNOYING. I actually took some duct tape to hold the track ball down.
All this... so I can watch netflix in bed without a laptop. Worth it? I'm still doing it so I guess so. I mean, it was part of why I wanted a tablet. But I can't wait for more roms to work with netflix, I don't care if its Froyo. Just something fast that supports it and doesn't have all these little troublesome quirks!
I mean, someone is bound to figure out what makes it work on netflix and apply it to other roms, right? Or heck, maybe netflix will release an update that works with more devices soon? This is getting ridiculous, IMO!
Whew. Sorry for the rant, that's something I've been needing to say for a while!
Thanks Dishe ... they were some of the same little quirks I was reading about; actually one of the reasons I posted - I appreciate the feedback. I'm sure these guys out here busting it on all the cool ROMs will eventually hit one out of the park - provided all the vendors, i.e. Netflix, etc. get their act together, with DRM, etc.
-T
Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
Depends on what you want
I'm assuming since it's for compnay use you have no reason to require hardware acceleration for graphics or videos...in which case a gingerbread rom like vegan-tab ginger edition would be good or cyanogenmod. If you do want all the native hardware support with good usb handling including usb sticks and such I'd go with vegantab 5.1 or clemsyn+caulkins rom both of which are froyo, but are in my opinion the fastest most stable.
wrong section for this eh...
Its a custom rom question, where should I put it?
In general or q&a sections. To many of these in development section bumps useful dev threads out of site.
@moderator please move
Yah G Tablet Q&A!
For "all" of your questions relating to the Viewsonic G Tablet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1101
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
Lol ^^^
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I like cm7... and have tried several others. Many awaiting development of integration of Flash. Most of them HoneyComb once done they will be rocking. Roebeet's and Illuminate are superior, there has been a lot of people that have contributed to the these ROM's. I would say learn how to use nvflash to restore your gtab back to stock configuration and try several of the ROM's for yourself and see which one fits your needs best. Good luck.
@goodintentions- Oh no u diiiiiint! Lol
grimmy311 said:
Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
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Beasty's was the fastest and smoothest I've come across so far.
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goodintentions said:
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
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http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
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Not gonna lie, this made me laugh.
Oh, and I concur with the VEGAnTab 5.1 being very stable and usable.
grimmy311 said:
Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
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The Froyo based Brilliant Corners ROM over at slatedroid.com is by far the best ROM I have used. Very stable and full hardware support.
+1 for the brilliant corners ROM
Maybe you guys can help clear a few things up for me-
I was under the impression that Froyo roms are the only ones that have full 100% hardware support, since it was the only one supported by the manufacturer at the moment.
Right now I'm running CM7, which I've found rather laggy and many broken features (video chat apps don't seem to work, etc). I blamed it on the fact that CM7 uses Gingerbread and not Froyo.
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
Dishe said:
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
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You can somewhat compensate for the lack of hardware acceleration with overclocking. This is what many folks do.
goodintentions said:
You can somewhat compensate for the lack of hardware acceleration with overclocking. This is what many folks do.
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Someone told me this once before (maybe it was you), but I disagree with this being a solution. Overclocking helps somewhat, but more code being sent to more CPU cycles is not always a direct tradeoff in performance. For example, when executing code the JVM has to deal with garbage collectors and other thread management issues that the GPU doesn't need to deal with. I read from notion ink's blog about new HC for the Adam that some of the java GC's can take anywhere between 7-500ms to do its work. The more code being sent to the GPU to offset CPU load, the smoother and less jittery the entire user experience will be.
Overclocking can help make the jittering go away faster, but also cause more of these hickups in a span of time, if I understand correctly.
Overclocking, while very cool, can also deplete your battery faster. I've been clocking at 1.2 and sometimes 1.4Ghz on CM7. I stopped using 1.4 because I noticed the battery didn't last as long, and sometimes the device seemed to heat up more than I remember normally. I'll still overclock, but at the end of the day I don't feel like my device is as smooth as it could be. And that irks me.
Why not just use an overclockable Froyo rom?
Meanwhile, Brilliant Corners sounds interesting but then I have to deal with that whole bootloader 1.2 mess. Not sure I want to go there yet.
Brilliant Corners is simply a 1.2 port of Vegan 5.1.1.
When the 1.2 bootloader arrived, Roebeet figured it would be the future bootloader for our tablets. He therefore made 1.2 equals of the 1.1 Roms he had a hand in developing. BC is Vegan 5.1.1, Mountain Laurel is his original TNT Lite, and Century Eyes is his Gadam rom.
So, if you want Brilliant corners, but don't want to switch bootloaders, then simply get Vegan 5.1.1. It's basically the same thing.
Personally, I was on Brilliant Corners until recently. I bought the tablet with TNT Lite pre-installed, then flashed Vegan 5.1.1. I decided to go to 1.2 and went to Brilliant Corners. I had a couple issues recently (not with the Rom, but the person that was using the Rom) and had to repartition. Figuring I'd lose everythign anyway, I decided ot give another rom a try. I went ot Beasty for 1.2 (it's an Adam Rom) Then, some apps wouldn't install for me, becuase my "device was not compatible." Figuring it was more of a headache, I decided to try Calkulin/Clemsyn combo for 1.2 and it's working like a dream so far. It's overclocked, but has built in Battery management, regulating the voltages as battery life get's lower. It's FAST, it's stable, and I think my battery has lasted longer than it did previously.
The good thing it, there are versions for 1.1 (v5) and 1.2 (v6) so anyone can use it...give it a test drive, you may never look back.
Dishe said:
Someone told me this once before (maybe it was you), but I disagree with this being a solution. Overclocking helps somewhat, but more code being sent to more CPU cycles is not always a direct tradeoff in performance. For example, when executing code the JVM has to deal with garbage collectors and other thread management issues that the GPU doesn't need to deal with. I read from notion ink's blog about new HC for the Adam that some of the java GC's can take anywhere between 7-500ms to do its work. The more code being sent to the GPU to offset CPU load, the smoother and less jittery the entire user experience will be.
Overclocking can help make the jittering go away faster, but also cause more of these hickups in a span of time, if I understand correctly.
Overclocking, while very cool, can also deplete your battery faster. I've been clocking at 1.2 and sometimes 1.4Ghz on CM7. I stopped using 1.4 because I noticed the battery didn't last as long, and sometimes the device seemed to heat up more than I remember normally. I'll still overclock, but at the end of the day I don't feel like my device is as smooth as it could be. And that irks me.
Why not just use an overclockable Froyo rom?
Meanwhile, Brilliant Corners sounds interesting but then I have to deal with that whole bootloader 1.2 mess. Not sure I want to go there yet.
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I completely agree with everything you said. That said, right now the only way to partially compensate for the lack of hw acceleration is overclocking.
So, either you have jerky video playback but have a stable device all the time or you can get rid of the jerkiness (for the most part) and have a stable device most of the time.
Regardless, I'm still recommending froyo just because it is the only one with full hw acceleration support.
Netflix Works... kind of
Dishe said:
Maybe you guys can help clear a few things up for me-
I was under the impression that Froyo roms are the only ones that have full 100% hardware support, since it was the only one supported by the manufacturer at the moment.
Right now I'm running CM7, which I've found rather laggy and many broken features (video chat apps don't seem to work, etc). I blamed it on the fact that CM7 uses Gingerbread and not Froyo.
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
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Roebeet has a netflix hack that will work with both Brilliant Corners and VEGAn 5.1 The problem is, you lose the youtube app... which isn't a huge deal as you can still go to the website and play from there, with full hardware acceleration. So, it's a question of what you want to do. When i made the jump from 1.1 to 1.2 I think my battery life went down a little, but I haven't noted too much difference between VEGAn Tab 5.1 and Brilliant Corners.
If you want to make the 1.2 bootloader jump, try this. It is super straightforward.
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/
If you want the Netflix Hack for 1.2 , see here. Roebeet made one for Brilliant Corners:
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/171...lternative-12-based-firmware-g-tabletzpad-t2/
If you want to just stay on 1.1 and do VEGAntab5.1, the link for the neflix hack can be found in the second post here.
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/146...1-wsupplement-updated-021211-g-tabletzpad-t2/