So I've searched and read through the threads but I'm seeing conflicting thoughts on whether to accept this download. Some people are saying that it might close the hole for future root while others are saying it won't.
Thinking logically, why would HTC go through the hassle of unlocking the bootloader in September if they're preemptively going to close the hole?
They are going to unlock the boot loader. The whole they would be closing is for root, not the boot loader. They are going to close it because it is a security threat for our phones.
I just received it, so I'm wondering if that was to unlock the boot loaders??
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OMG, guys... really?
That OTA isn't new at ALL, it was released when the phone was released. a simple search gave me that information.
This is not a FULL list of changes, just the change log provided by Sprint.
Current Version: 1.13.651.7
R: 6/24/2011
This update fixes issue of calendar entries in certain formats force closing during edits
V: 1.11.651.3
R: 6/24/2011
Initial Release
aimbdd said:
They are going to unlock the boot loader. The whole they would be closing is for root, not the boot loader. They are going to close it because it is a security threat for our phones.
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Guess I'm not fully versed on all this stuff but with an unlocked bootloader, isn't perm root pretty much a given?
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Well at last, HTC has brought us their method to root HTC Evo 3D & Sensation.. Just register to become a member (dev) and begin rooting your Evo3D. I wanted to show you all what to expect.. and of course there are disclaimers so view screen shots for full details. I have not tried this setup so please give feedback, I do have the phone but it's been rooted by other methods.. just giving fellowship & sharing information. Enjoy!
Go to HTCDev.com to get started.. (This will VOID your warranty, root your phone & give you super human strenghts)
Previous rooting gave phone's the same voided warranty especially servicing in carriers service center, same deal. Revolutionary method also voids warranty so now people have choices.. (Former Sprint Service Mgr)
As informed please give useful feedback if you have used this method so we know where we stand with this and in fact "IF" HTC is helping us out.
Thx to Doomstang for input-
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Well I think I've finally gotten somewhere...Wireless Tether was just successfully granted Superuser permissions.
This was all done without ever having rooted this phone in the past...so I accepted the OTA update, unlocked with HTC Dev's process, got a working recovery going, and then got Superuser installed.
graffixnyc posted the link to the working recovery so I used that: http://www.multiupload.com/AQ9KV7IME9
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And Graffixnyc-
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This was the version of CWM that booted for me. I flashed through fastboot and also did a nandroid restore just fine. This was the version IEF(from alpharev) gave me on irc
http://www.multiupload.com/AQ9KV7IME9
I was able to get into recovery from selecting recovery from the fastboot method and from doing adb reboot recovery. Sorry for not posting earlier I had finals yesterday and went out after to celebrate
http://www.multiupload.com/AQ9KV7IME9
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Please make sure all items are installed and up to date.
Google Android SDK zip:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Java Runtime Environment:
http://java.com
HTC Sync (Windows Only):
http://www.htc.com/www/help/
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It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty. Please note that unlocking your bootloader does not mean that you will be able to unlock the SIM lock. Unlocking your SIM lock is at the discretion of your operator/carrier and is not part of the bootloader unlocking scope.
Our devices have been designed with our hardware and software specifications in mind and unlocking the bootloader will change the software and may cause unexpected side effects. It is impossible for HTC to ensure the proper functioning of your device after this. In the worst case scenario, it is possible that your device may be physically damaged due to overheating or the behavior of your device might be altered including, but not limited to, hearing aid compatibility (HAC) and specific absorption rate (SAR) values.
Some content on your device may also be invalidated and cannot be accessed any more because of invalid DRM security keys. This includes content that you may have purchased through a 3rd party vendor and through HTC. Furthermore, although you will still be able to receive updates to your device via FOTA (“firmware over the air”), we do not guarantee that updating your device via FOTA will not render your device unusable. Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader. HTC bears no responsibility if your device is no longer usable afterwards.
HTC is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, due to some of our carrier customers concerns, certain models with specific restrictions may not be able to be unlocked. Please refer to our list of supported devices to see if your device is eligible for unlocking the bootloader.
We strongly suggest that you do not unlock the bootloader unless you are confident that you understand the risks involved. This is a technical procedure and the side effects could possibly necessitate repairs to your device not covered under warranty. If you are still interested in unlocking the bootloader, and you understand the consequences both to your device and to your warranty, then you may refer to the following pages where we have provided the unlocking instructions.
If there's an error you will see screen shot below.. with details on what happened.
So maybe I'm confused about what this does ... I went through the process and everything seems to have worked. Bootloader now shows unlocked. I tried to flash a recovery (both clockworkmod and TWRP) and it seems to flash successfully but when I try to run recovery it just reboots the phone after showing the HTC logo for a minute. I was hoping to install the rooted OTA but not sure what to try next...
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No. I'm not confused about the unlock.
I'm worried about a man who makes a guide about unlocking the device he does not have...
Am I wrong to be worried, about a man, who makes a post, about unlocking a device, he does not have?
Has has tested the method?
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Yooooo. Godzson is a trusted guy and helps many devs in the community. No sense in flamming him when you'll just start pissing off devs here.
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Godzson is a trusted member on here. Don't think you have to worry about him. Why would someone take all this time to write up a post with pics and the info just to mess with people? Smh....... Alot of the devs in the 3d community who do roms and themes don't even have the damn 3d. Don't start turning this community into **** by questioning people trying to help.
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So maybe I'm confused about what this does ... I went through the process and everything seems to have worked. Bootloader now shows unlocked. I tried to flash a recovery (both clockworkmod and TWRP) and it seems to flash successfully but when I try to run recovery it just reboots the phone after showing the HTC logo for a minute. I was hoping to install the rooted OTA but not sure what to try next...
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TWRP doesn't work and CWM Is a hit or miss. You should of tried the stock recovery, I think it had one. Wait till a root for the new boot loader I say.
I think the unlocked just gives partial access to the bootloader if I am correct. Your security flag(s-off) is still on.
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Godzson is only posting to what HTC promised, here a unlocker. He is also a trusted member, who provides a substantial amount of information for the community. Please they are also right to say some dev, and do not have this device and do an amazing job developing for it. let's please keep peaceand move forward..
Why waste your time reposting instructions found on htcdev.com? People want to know what happens after you do the method and how it helps put custom software on your phone.
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Why waste your time reposting instructions found on htcdev.com? People want to know what happens after you do the method and how it helps put custom software on your phone.
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Because sometimes people want to see the process without having to DO the process....
Why question it? Just don't read through 2 pages or more of posts if it's offensive to you.
Yo GODZSON, you do know that the little green android guy isn't the only one that's green around here, don't you? LMFAO. Just look at the noobs trying to flame you, and don't even know anything about you, LOL. Yeah, LOL. Like they got room to talk. Keep up the great work buddy.
On a more serious note, does this method actually allow you to root? Cuz I didn't really see anything on HTC's site, or in your post about rooting. Yet the title states rooting with HTC's unlock method. Just a fyi.
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Well sir maybe doing a lil research would benefit the questions. I did assist with 2 threads in Evo3D (screen pics and 3D converting). I placed this for information to the community and for knowledge to those that may want to see what it looks like and have other options of rooting their phone. I do have the device but's its been rooted therefore I havent tried this "Official" method. Would be nice to ask with some manners in XDA you can get suspended, banned, etc for your actions, this is a community to help each other out.
Thanks to all the fellow dev's for the kind words.. to all the noobs with lack of knowledge no worries we're here for you to help out, much love for you.. hey we all started there at one time
Well I think I've finally gotten somewhere...Wireless Tether was just successfully granted Superuser permissions.
This was all done without ever having rooted this phone in the past...so I accepted the OTA update, unlocked with HTC Dev's process, got a working recovery going, and then got Superuser installed.
graffixnyc posted the link to the working recovery so I used that: http://www.multiupload.com/AQ9KV7IME9
this is a joke!
HTC's unlocked bootloader is a joke, it just says "unlocked" but you cannot flash any new recoveries and you get S-ON. Don't try this folks, stay rooted! My 3D is now officially bricked with HTC method, it's not unlocked at all as you can't do anything with it.
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HTC's unlocked bootloader is a joke, it just says "unlocked" but you cannot flash any new recoveries and you get S-ON. Don't try this folks, stay rooted! My 3D is now officially bricked with HTC method, it's not unlocked at all as you can't do anything with it.
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I'm very sorry to hear yours was bricked but I was able to flash a working recovery (although the first 2 I tried did fail) and gain SU permissions even with S-ON still showing.
thnx
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I'm very sorry to hear yours was bricked but I was able to flash a working recovery (although the first 2 I tried did fail) and gain SU permissions.
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Thanks I actually saw your post and trying that now! We will have ROOT!
It does look like things are working for some starting here in one of the other threads.
Great write up
Lol, sorry HTC. We beat you to it.
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The unlock is terrible, I got it to work on my Dad's phone, but I could only get into clockwork once, TWRP doesn't work, and only a manual flash of clockwork seemed to work, I tried to get in with Rom Manager for him so he could do a backup, and it wouldn't go either, and it didn't want to go back in for me manually either, just boots up.
Oh well, I managed to root it and get a rom installed. So we shall see how everything goes.
It's S-ON still, which is complete crap.
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The unlock is terrible, I got it to work on my Dad's phone, but I could only get into clockwork once, TWRP doesn't work, and only a manual flash of clockwork seemed to work, I tried to get in with Rom Manager for him so he could do a backup, and it wouldn't go either, and it didn't want to go back in for me manually either, just boots up.
Oh well, I managed to root it and get a rom installed. So we shall see how everything goes.
It's S-ON still, which is complete crap.
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4.0.1.5 failed for me too.
I started with CWM 4.0.1.4.
I clicked update recovery in ROM Manager and it said 4.0.1.5 successfully installed after I granted it SU permissions. Had it reboot into recovery from ROM manager and the phone just restarted...so I manually went to recovery via HBoot and it fails to load and restarts the phone. I guess I'll push that 4.0.1.4 back to it now.
so the bootloader gets unlocked but yet it stays S-on? wtf lol ?
I recently unlocked my phone and rooted, I tried to flash CM7 Beta everything went well except when i rebooted it got stuck at the dual core screen. After trying everything, I decided to flash back to stock since cm7 wouldn't boot. My question is now that I flashed back to stock do I need to re-unlock my device? Does it stay unlocked? Can I just root it and retry CM7 again?
it happens to me too im reading on the forum but i dont think the bootloaders remain unlock cuz when u do the process it say that in the warnings
No one knows?
I read that once you unlocked you are unlocked forever because when you unlock it kills a fuse but you can cover up the 'unlocked' message so the average joe (such as ATT or Best Buy employee) wouldn't know you unlocked for insurance purposes.
I've also read posts though, like you, that state that it does re-lock the bootloader, so I am confused! I dont want to try flashing again though and end up with a hard-brick!
only installing official roms after unlocking will re-lock your phone or brick it. so if you can no longer see 'unlocked' when you turn your phone on then you will need to re-unlock the bootloader.
before installing any custom roms you need to do a backup. after that, do a full wipe/factory reset, wipe cache & wipe dalvik cache. then install your custom rom, reboot, wait anything up to 10 minutes, and voila!
theres no 'fuse' that needs blowing to unlock the phone, by the way. its all software based, and it can be re-locked providing that there is freely available software that allows you to do so!
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only installing official roms after unlocking will re-lock your phone or brick it. so if you can no longer see 'unlocked' when you turn your phone on then you will need to re-unlock the bootloader.
theres no 'fuse' that needs blowing to unlock the phone, by the way. its all software based, and it can be re-locked providing that there is freely available software that allows you to do so!
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Might want to do some reading and research. This has all been discussed previously in a couple of threads with links supporting a hardware unlock. Nobody has provided any proof of a software only unlock as of yet. Would appreciate if you posted where you got your information.
Cheers!
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only installing official roms after unlocking will re-lock your phone or brick it. so if you can no longer see 'unlocked' when you turn your phone on then you will need to re-unlock the bootloader.
before installing any custom roms you need to do a backup. after that, do a full wipe/factory reset, wipe cache & wipe dalvik cache. then install your custom rom, reboot, wait anything up to 10 minutes, and voila!
theres no 'fuse' that needs blowing to unlock the phone, by the way. its all software based, and it can be re-locked providing that there is freely available software that allows you to do so!
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Can you provide a link that this is indeed a software lock?...
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CaelanT said:
Might want to do some reading and research. This has all been discussed previously in a couple of threads with links supporting a hardware unlock. Nobody has provided any proof of a software only unlock as of yet. Would appreciate if you posted where you got your information.
Cheers!
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Sorry, when i say software based i mean the use of software (using programs to flash files) to modify hardware. hardware based unlocking would mean having to modify hardware, such as soldering or other means of modifying/replacing components.
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Sorry, when i say software based i mean the use of software (using programs to flash files) to modify hardware. hardware based unlocking would mean having to modify hardware, such as soldering or other means of modifying/replacing components.
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Soo..
You start a new thread about a topic that already has 17 threads dedicated to it.
You clearly dont understand how the current unlocking process works.
You claim to know of a new sw unlock, but even after being asked a few times will not elaborate or give a link or other info about it.
And your making up your own terms depending on what makes sence to you.
That settles it. You win the lolthread of the day, and were not laughing with you.
let's simplify:
http://briefmobile.com/how-to-unlock-the-atrix-4g-bootloader
This unlocks the bootloader through the use of software, does it not?
http://tinyurl.com/6gwycaq (explains what a bootloader is)
Plus... I didn't start the thread. You might need to do a little reading on that.
I've clearly unlocked, rooted, and installed a new ROM on my atrix (i initially used the gingerbreak app to root it, but decided to change the ROM at a later date, so unlocked it fully)
I don't claim to know of a sw unlock. I merely stated that software is used (RSD lite, drivers etc) to carry out the unlocking procedure.
Oh, by the way, it's "WE'RE not laughing with you" (not very nice ) and "YOU'RE making up your own terms". Little bit of research for you, if you want
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theres no 'fuse' that needs blowing to unlock the phone, by the way. its all software based, and it can be re-locked providing that there is freely available software that allows you to do so!
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I think you're mistaken, it's a hardware lock. There has not been a software only solution shown. Since I have gone through the steps you described, and then re-unlocked my bootloader, the two processes were different (unlocking vs. re-unlocking), meaning that something changed when I unlocked the bootloader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifuse#Antifuses_in_integrated_circuits
Trust me, this stuff is in all the ICs that you use.
Ok then, i apologize for not doing my research
I just ASS-U-MEd that if it can be re-locked then there is no modification taking place to the hardware itself (such as blown fuses - I'll admit though I only recently heard about eFuse's/Antifuse's as I've never dealt with them before, and therefore didn't know that the Atrix had them)
Thanks for the info.
lockety lock lock lock Lmfao
Im still laughing. No apostraphes needed.
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Im still laughing. No apostraphes needed.
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reunlocking is the same presedure which you did before. just you dont need to do the fastboot unlock oem.i did it and reunlock 2.3.4 telstra
Exactly what the title says. Do you guys think we will have a full root with s-off for this device? It's the only thing holding me back from getting it.
If they don't, I imagine there will be a 2nd Init, which on the Droid 2 global I had was just as good.
Im not 100% sure what that is. I've read a bit about it.
S-OFF/S-ON is only on HTC devices. RAZR's bootloader is completely encrypted, not just system files. Moto promised a bootloader unlock (...and unencryption is implied) where "carriers permit" with ICS, so we'll see how that goes.
We DO have a working safestrap though, thanks to Hashcode, and DroidTh3ory is hard at work on bringing us AOSP ICS, so, I wouldn't think twice unless you're considering the Nexus and are willing to wait (possibly forever?).
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Im not 100% sure what that is. I've read a bit about it.
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It's a binary code which in essence, tells the init file to reboot, and allows a secondary code from a hijack to be injected into the boot cycle.
This allows for custom roms to be installed, without having to unlock a boatloader, or permanently root your phone.
It works really well on other phones, and has allowed all kinds of custom roms to be installed on locked boatloader phones.
So S-Off rooting isn't as important as it seems.
Very interesting, the phones I've had all used s-off.
Awesome thanks for the info. This explains it perfectly.
garlick, that's 2nd-init, not s-off. s-off is disabling the security measures that HTC sets in place to protect "crucial system files" that prevent you from making non-sense-based ROMs.
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garlick, that's 2nd-init, not s-off. s-off is disabling the security measures that HTC sets in place to protect "crucial system files" that prevent you from making non-sense-based ROMs.
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Ok....I was explaining 2nd init, because wheelerr said "Im not 100% sure what that is. I've read a bit about it." in reference to the 2nd init.....so yes, I was explaining 2nd init.
if HTC allows downgrading the bootloader so I can install a custom rom after I make the mistake of taking an OTA update from ATT. With the S4 this wasn't possible. but since this is my first android phone, I was wondering if it was Samsung trying to keep the device "secure" or ATT forcing these companies to keep their bootloaders locked.
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if HTC allows downgrading the bootloader so I can install a custom rom after I make the mistake of taking an OTA update from ATT. With the S4 this wasn't possible. but since this is my first android phone, I was wondering if it was Samsung trying to keep the device "secure" or ATT forcing these companies to keep their bootloaders locked.
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Once you unlock the boot loader no update can relock it. HTC offers a lot more freedom than samsung, but at the price of no warranty. So if you unlock it and shatter your screen, don't be upset like other people when htc will not warranty it. As long as you have a custom recovery, your phone cannot even physically take an ota update so nothing to worry about either way.
The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act is in place for us consumers for this reason. The company has to prove that any modification you did, is the cause of the trouble. So if you unlock your bootloader, root, etc, then crack your screen, as the poster above mentioned, the company can not void your warranty since what you did has nothing to do with cracking your screen.
This was huge for me when I modified my car and I found this here on XDA after doing more searching
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/
Oh and yeah,,if you are outside the US, it wont work lol
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if HTC allows downgrading the bootloader
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That depends on what you mean by "allow". You cannot downgrade the bootloader by any "official" means. You will fail version check when you try to install, as you can "normally" only flash a equal or great version number hboot.
But if you are s-off, version check is bypassed, and any hboot version can be flashed.
Similar to a previous response, my advice would be to unlock the bootloader (required if you want to flash custom ROMs anyway) and S-off the phone soon after you get it. Neither of those can be changed by any OTA.
Also, accepting OTA is not recommended on a modded phone, anyway. Whatever came in the update will usually get posted in a stock rooted form in the Development forum, and/or incorporated into custom ROMs, often within days of the OTA rolling out. And OTA will not install on a modded phone (stock recovery needs to be present). OTAs also may plug existing s-off or other exploit; preventing you from doing them if you haven't already (but as mentioned, can't make the phone s-on again). Moral of the story, I strongly recommend against OTA on any modded phone.
Some of these terms/concepts are HTC specific, so may be a bit confusing for you. I would suggest reading up on these forums, if you aren't familiar with s-off, HTC's bootloader unlock process, etc.
This forum has really died down and it's hard to find specific info on the 610.
Like the forum says--how have you been updating?
There's a ruu update a dev posted in general but the more I read the more I second guess whether it's as easy as just running the exe and following prompts. Other ruu on other HTC phones require relocking boot loader and there needs to be an adb environment present (however most of those threads are several years old.). If it's as easy as just running the exe on any old pc and not locking boot loader I'd just like some confirmation.
OR just share your updating method. It's been like 5 months since I rooted and I've yet to get an update. I'm not overly stressed but I think it'd be dumb to just keep the same firmware forever.
Are you backing up, unrooting, and locking boot loader to get ota? If so are the updates incremental or does it go right to the latest? That's my concern with ruu. It's going to maybe skip 3 or more updates then possibly install one that's incompatible... or not.
Basically any info is welcomed! Please share how you update. Thanks.