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Since I've uploaded my App to the market, I receive emails about uploading my App to other markets too. For example this email I've received yesterday:
Hi ,
My name is *...*, from business department of Ndoo Networks. We are a company that operates 3rd party Android app market in China. We both realize China is a market of great potential, and there are already over 6,000,000 Android users in China. Now we are searching for the co-developers to make the Android market in China more brilliant.
We devote to bringing convenience and giving better service to our users. Till now we are generating a total of 5,000,000 downloads per month. The strengths we have now include:
--Diversified access to Phone, Web and desktop.
--App downloads 50% faster than Android Market.
--Value-added services to developers, including function test, security check etc.
--Operating an active user community including solutions for common issues using Android apps.
Meanwhile, the opportunities we see for you are:
--Expose your apps to millions of Android users.
--Expose your apps to many device makers in China who badly need excellent apps to get preinstalled.
--Ad-supported apps to generate income.
--Application proxy.
If you are interested to opt in our platform to distribute your apps, reply this email to authorize us the distribution rights. By default it is non-exclusive authorization.
Look forward to hearing from you.
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Cheers,
*...*
Shanghai Ndoo Network Technology Ltd.
Your Android,Simplified!
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Are there issues (read: legal issues) when you upload your app to other markets and / or is it smart to do. Because I get the feeling, just a feeling, that not all of these markets have the right intentions with the App provided by unknowing developers.
Are you upload your app to other markets too. If so, what website/markets do you upload your app.
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Obviously all different countries will have different app stores and be impossible to keep track of all of them. However obviously the well known ones are Amazon Appstore and Android market (duh). Outside of the US there are too many to count small and big. However, you can do a couple searches on the internet and see for yourself if it doesnt look shady and trustable enough.
Personally as a Korean I know for a fact that T-Store in korea is huge with dominating market share and since Korea's smart phone market is pretty big you could try getting your app uploaded there. However, I'm not too sure about how it works for foreigners but if you are interested just PM and I'll do my best to help out. I really like your app and I think its a brilliant idea. Cheers.
I received a similar email and all I can tell is stay away from them.
They are not a legit market. All piracy.
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Obviously all different countries will have different app stores and be impossible to keep track of all of them. However obviously the well known ones are Amazon Appstore and Android market (duh). Outside of the US there are too many to count small and big. However, you can do a couple searches on the internet and see for yourself if it doesnt look shady and trustable enough.
Personally as a Korean I know for a fact that T-Store in korea is huge with dominating market share and since Korea's smart phone market is pretty big you could try getting your app uploaded there. However, I'm not too sure about how it works for foreigners but if you are interested just PM and I'll do my best to help out. I really like your app and I think its a brilliant idea. Cheers.
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Thanks for your reply and compliment for my App. I'm definitly gonna look into the T-Store you're talking about.
I got the same email too, and found this thread by Googling a sentence from this email
All of my Apps are there, free & paid ones, without my approval.
It seems like piracy in China is a common practice, and I'm not sure what can be done against it.
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It seems like piracy in China is a common practice, and I'm not sure what can be done against it.
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Seems? Come on! Let's all be honest here, we all know China is the number 1 in piracy, copying, not giving a f*ck about copyrights and so on. Whether is about fake iPhones, fake stores, mod chips, fake 2TB HDDs, fake apps, copied apps, fake everything and copied everything, etc. The world itself is there, either fake or copied. And there's nothing the rest of the world can do about it, since they don't have the copyright laws we have. If I were you, I wouldn't trust in giving my app to neither a Chinese nor a Sweden store (Sweden stores are a tad more controlled than Chinese stores, but still )
In my country, we call China "el rey de los plagios" (the king of copying/fakes/etc).
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Seems? Come on! Let's all be honest here, we all know China is the number 1 in piracy, copying, not giving a f*ck about copyrights and so on. Whether is about fake iPhones, fake stores, mod chips, fake 2TB HDDs, fake apps, copied apps, fake everything and copied everything, etc. The world itself is there, either fake or copied. And there's nothing the rest of the world can do about it, since they don't have the copyright laws we have. If I were you, I wouldn't trust in giving my app to neither a Chinese nor a Sweden store (Sweden stores are a tad more controlled than Chinese stores, but still )
In my country, we call China "el rey de los plagios" (the king of copying/fakes/etc).
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In your signature you say you use a hacked market.
I guess you are Chinese too?
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In your signature you say you use a hacked market.
I guess you are Chinese too?
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Hacked market means it can download apps no matter what DPI are you using
You actually made me lol.
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I just hope Google puts its foot down on this epidemic...Maybe release a antimalware app or something..or make some strict laws to developers...
A good start is to only download reputable apps and make sure the developer is easily contactable and documented.
Not having or using a credit card helps too.
With Google clearly having the information and power of Big Brother, I'm sure they will take care of it one way or another.
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A good start is to only download reputable apps and make sure the developer is easily contactable and documented.
Not having or using a credit card helps too.
With Google clearly having the information and power of Big Brother, I'm sure they will take care of it one way or another.
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+1 to that... I don't download apps unless for one, I see good reviews, and more importantly, that I can easily contact the dev if I run into any unusual activity after using their app.
Google usually removes malware apps and removes the developer from the Android Developer Program.. I doubt people would continuously pay the 25 dollar registration fee over and over just to release malware.. Time will run is course and malware will exit the Market, but I can guarantee you you'll always find malware outside of the Market, especially within those Chinese Markets that offer Market apps "for free/ at a discount".. they're usually infected.
$25 is a minimal fee when you look at the big picture, like how much information can be pulled from a smartphone, and the sheer number of people that use them. If the benefits outweight the cost to the malware devs, im sure they'll keep paying the $25 to keep their feet in the door.
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$25 is a minimal fee when you look at the big picture, like how much information can be pulled from a smartphone, and the sheer number of people that use them. If the benefits outweight the cost to the malware devs, im sure they'll keep paying the $25 to keep their feet in the door.
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Still doubt it. Hopefully they'll soon enough stay out of the Market and target the 3rd party vendors, like Slideme. Not saying they should, but they need to get the hell out of the Market.
Hey guys,
Recently there's been talks about piracy on Android and how developers seem to shy away from it and produce games for iOS. That's actually the reason why developers of Infinite Blade refuses to port the game to Android. I've recently gotten the chance to speak with the creative director Matt Small of Vector Unit (Riptide GP). In this interview he talks about piracy and how its equal on both sides of the os. You guys really think its that bad? In truth when GTA 3 came out today someone already posted the apk on this forums mere hours it showed up in the market.
Anyway check it out:
http://droidgamers.com/index.php/ga...-unit-talks-piracy-tegra-and-of-course-games-
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Piracy is always present in some form and amount on all devices. Windows Phone for example is pretty much closed platform, thus very unsuccessful to make bigger impact on the market. There is always "awareness" in big % of the consumers that think that piracy is bad and illegal, so software market is never that hurt. Some polls says that no platform has piracy more than a 10% (except PC of course), so it is not an issue and reason for someone not to port a good game on all the platforms. PC market is the biggest on the planet, so bigger amount of piracy is actually lower in numbers comparing to the others (more than 1.3 Bilion people are using Windows).
Piracy happens on iOS too. It just takes slightly longer, but every paid app that's worth getting gets pirated sooner or later.
The attitudes towards piracy on iOS versus Android are what I find most interesting though. When I was on iOS, pirating expensive apps was almost chic. It was talked about openly on some sites and seriously everyone I knew with an iPhone had stuff like sinful and hackulous in their Cydia repos. Now that I'm on Android, the online community is all about supporting the devs and pirating is looked down upon (at least openly).
Oh yes there is plenty of piracy going around in the android community. I've been doing some "research" on this topic and have discovered sites like Applanet, Blapkmarket, Snappzmarket, etc. Thrive in third party distribution of both free and paid apps. Though it is frowned upon in the general android population, i understand the people that use these sites when it comes down to not being able to spend hard earned money on overpriced apps in this ridiculous economy. (Not saying i support them, i just understand). Maybe we can make a compromise one day, who knows?
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Pirated apps arenpirated for one main reason. To install some sort malware or keylogger onto your phone. Use a pirated app and enjoy what it brings.
As for apps not being ported because of it is just a cop out. It is everywhere no matter what OS it is.
There is one additional unpleasant thing in market. In some stores (not android market) people steal applications, changes its name (without changing application itself), after that they sell it from their name.
it exist in every OS you can imagine, even something ancient like Atari, or as new as Windows 8
as long as there are humans, you can never get away from it
just like the recent SOPA bill even if it passes, it means nothing as people already have work around and anti SOPA internet ready to deploy the moment it hits
that's why the best way to prevent piracy is to offer the App for free, and make them pay as they use it for additional features
this is becoming a very common practice in a lot of games, even Gameloft has joined the play
they all learned that from the MMO free to play, but pay to upgrade schemes
it's a very "honest" movement, and people will certainly pay to get what they want, as there is no way to dupe, hack, crack, stuff that is only available on the server side.
else they get banned
AllGamer said:
it exist in every OS you can imagine, even something ancient like Atari, or as new as Windows 8
as long as there are humans, you can never get away from it
just like the recent SOPA bill even if it passes, it means nothing as people already have work around and anti SOPA internet ready to deploy the moment it hits
that's why the best way to prevent piracy is to offer the App for free, and make them pay as they use it for additional features
this is becoming a very common practice in a lot of games, even Gameloft has joined the play
they all learned that from the MMO free to play, but pay to upgrade schemes
it's a very "honest" movement, and people will certainly pay to get what they want, as there is no way to dupe, hack, crack, stuff that is only available on the server side.
else they get banned
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''Freemium" or pay to play games is a great alternatives, but is in the brink of oversaturation. Its great that we receive games for free, but the micro transaction will only hurt if every single developer jumps in. I'm sure most will charge you for small ridiculous trinkets.
Take a look at Blood and Glory for example. Great gameplay and graphics. But almost impossible to play without purchasing something. I'd rather pay full price just to have everything available. Its breaks immersion when your trying to play and a box pops out asking you a dollar to unlock a level. Game developers should give us an option for a full game.Sad to see vector unit thinking of going that route.
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Isn't piracy even worse on iOS with stuff like Installous? I think developers should just jump on on board - by joining android they're going to make more money anyway aren't they?
Im not saying piracy isn't a problem on Android, but it's much more of a problem on iOS. Google have license checks with the market, which I don't believe exist on iOS. Saying you wont make an app for Android because of piracy is complete ********
I don't get it. Why not just install the free versions and deal with the ads? It's not that expensive to pay for the full app, not most apps anyways? I think pirating apps is more of an "because I can" and less of an "I can't afford it."
The worst is buying an app that receives no updates , becomes obselete and then just sits in your app list forever.....
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But equally, when you put the word "open" in open source, this is something google should have been prepared for. They even give the tools for piraters to pirate files. For example, if I'm rooted and know a package name of an APK, then all I have to do is adb pull the file, and upload it. It is sad that people go out and pirate games because it does discourage devs, but they know the wolves are in the den ahead before they walk into the forest. Apple is jailbreakable, but that takes for-freaking-ever, webOS is now open source, so its gonna have some miiiinor issues, and Windows basically hits the idea of open source with a giant middle finger, so it is horrible, but its one of those things you don't have a choice to do but accept.!
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just make all games pay as you go like sleepy jack and cordy or the many many many MMO "free" to play, but pay to be elite
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I don't get it. Why not just install the free versions and deal with the ads? It's not that expensive to pay for the full app, not most apps anyways? I think pirating apps is more of an "because I can" and less of an "I can't afford it."
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Because not every application has a free ad-supported version
Simple reason google checkout not supported by all banks, the transfer is declined,in india hence we cant buy any app...
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Ok, here I go....I'm sure I'll get mega-flamed for this but..I don't care. I pirate. Alot. Why? Because I'm poor. Seriously. I feel like, its not fair that only those that have money get to enjoy everything. Typically, if an app is good and really proves itself useful, I will eventually buy it when I'm able. Same goes for PC software, movies, music, etc. Why the hell would I wanna waste money I don't have on something that turns out to be worthless crap. And furthermore, the rights holders that seem to ***** the most tend to be (typically but not always) those that are most well off. I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad because I didn't put another dollar in some rich [email protected]%k's pocket. Like I said, if its worthy, I'll eventually buy it. I have paid for all the must have paid apps that I use for rooting my phone and tweaking it etc. Which brings me to another point, the fact that so many seem to believe that the rooting community as a whole only root so we can pirate...pure BS. As someone who admits to pirating, I root my phone for the pure and simple reason of installing custom ROMS and tweaking my phone. I can do all the pirating I want on my PC, I don't need my phone for that. I do try to support devs that provide quality and useful apps, because I know they are working hard to try and earn a buck, just like me...but all the rich conglomerates can kiss my @ss. If I had plenty of money, I wouldn't pirate...honestly, what would be the point? But I don't. So for now I'm just a little dog trying to enjoy myself in world made for big dogs. And that's considered a crime...that's a crying shame.
And on a side note, I'm really not trying to be offensive, just being honest...
I can get any app i want on my iphone for free if I were so inclinded.
reality is app makers make more with ios apps. end of story
Not sure if this is the right forum.
I've created my first app, just a simple card game. I'm wondering if I should offer a paid ad-free version.
Right now its free with Admob. About 2500 active installs out of about 9000 total installs. It took about 1mo to get the first third, the 5mo for the second third, and 2.5mo for the last third. I've found that I get alot more new users whenever I have any sort of update to my app. With Ads, I've made about $1400 in about 9.5 months from 2.6M requests. Since its a game with ads, the longer a user plays, the more ads get shown and the more money I make.
If I have a paid version, I get a one time payment and then zero after that. I don't see charging more than a dollar or two. If I charged $1 and everyone that downloaded it bought it, I'd have $1750 and then thats it. If I waited a few months I'll have that much from ads.
It seems like I'm going to make much more just sticking with the ads. I'm new to all of this, am I missing something or does my logic seem sound.
Do an adfree version. Some of us don't like ads may I ask what app you made?
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enricong said:
Not sure if this is the right forum.
I've created my first app, just a simple card game. I'm wondering if I should offer a paid ad-free version.
Right now its free with Admob. About 2500 active installs out of about 9000 total installs. It took about 1mo to get the first third, the 5mo for the second third, and 2.5mo for the last third. I've found that I get alot more new users whenever I have any sort of update to my app. With Ads, I've made about $1400 in about 9.5 months from 2.6M requests. Since its a game with ads, the longer a user plays, the more ads get shown and the more money I make.
If I have a paid version, I get a one time payment and then zero after that. I don't see charging more than a dollar or two. If I charged $1 and everyone that downloaded it bought it, I'd have $1750 and then thats it. If I waited a few months I'll have that much from ads.
It seems like I'm going to make much more just sticking with the ads. I'm new to all of this, am I missing something or does my logic seem sound.
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You're right ads are the way to go. Do you have any methods of sharing the app? That will bring more users and that means more income from ads.
Edit: I offer professional mobile marketing consulting if you're interested.
Questions should be asked in Q&A forums, not Development forums.
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This is the app I made: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rcs.video_poker_trainer_dw
I actually made 3 apps but the code is 99% the same.
I've gotten some useful comments in the reviews but also some very confusing ones (like the last one)
Sharing? The app is on the market. I figure that's the best way to share it.
So far the biggest annoyance has been working with the layouts and getting them to look right on as many phones as possible.
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This is the app I made: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rcs.video_poker_trainer_dw
I actually made 3 apps but the code is 99% the same.
I've gotten some useful comments in the reviews but also some very confusing ones (like the last one)
Sharing? The app is on the market. I figure that's the best way to share it.
So far the biggest annoyance has been working with the layouts and getting them to look right on as many phones as possible.
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Yes sharing. By just putting on the market you are doing passive marketing. By switching to active marketing you can get a higher number of active users and a higher income from ads.
If the name "Android" were changed to something more accurate & device-specific, people could make more informed decisions
I suggest ADroid
like Ad + Roids = ADroids
The Discussion here is thought provoking
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Maybe Ad-Droid would be better
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or ADD-Droid
or AdsDroid
or maybe even... "spamdroid"
ooh i like that one
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http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
matgras said:
http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
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I'm sorry, but did you vote?
please do because I'm especially interested in hearing from the people who make the apps with the ads in them..
This thread is created specifically to address this very issue..
How many people, upon entering the android shop and playing around with the phone, had any idea 90% of the apps are chock full of annoying ads?
there was literally not a single google ad on any of the phones I tried in all the stores
Its a bit deceiving.
Hence, the suggested name change..
no, i'm not spending even more money on even more phones.
thanks though
but we should be extra vigilant in helping others who may fall into the same trap
It may be too late for me, but I believe with the proper name change, we can help other people avoid this exact same problem.. a problem you yourself may even hate more than me.. if thats even possible
keep up the good work
and dont forget to vote!
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Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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matgras said:
buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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Yep, or turn off data & wifi if not needed, and that's it... no ads
matgras said:
Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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is that 3 people? and are they all by chance app developers hoping to become millionaires?
MANKIND is fed up with the ads
we're fed up with noobs who should stick to programming or email spamming and stay the fk out of marketing, an area they obviously know nothing about.
you want money, you want a beer? EARN IT!
nobody's giving you any money because you annoy the sht out of them.. the advetising companies know that.. they are just using programmers for ad placement,, you are ad company fodder
the majority of ads on apps are not even making the developer any money.. if you didnt actually code the program yourself, and used one of the online app-building services, and are offering your app for free, then odds are you had no choice but to put ads in your app, just to be able to make it for free... and if you did pay to build it. all you get is 50% of ad revenue shared with the online builder service
and then you make 0% of the revenue the ads produce, and the online service makes 100% funded by THE most uneducated, classless, bunch of dirtbag wannabe advertisers on the planet, "the all-in-one-internet advertisers/codemonkeys"
buy you a beer eh?
are u joking or toking?
people donate money to developers who have made an awesome program from top to bottom.. a program they love, by a dev who offered it for free at a great personal cost, and who may very well have no money at all, since all of his time has been spent helping the community
thats how its always been
nobody is giving you any money for spamming them..
YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD.. your ads.. thats your beer money, drunkard...you are not a coder who does things for the community, investing all his own free time for the benefit of others without reward or thought of reward...
you are someone who has chosen to spam the community for pittance, YOU DONT DESERVE COMMUNITY MONEY..
you already have a sugardaddy.. the Ad companies.
not only do you appear to be a pathetic beggar, and pretending to need beer money, you are also behind the Ad spammers, you are on their wagon.. you're playing both sides, like we're all a bunch of fools...
who in the hell is going to pay you anything just so that special ol' you may graciously stop your uber-annoyances & ad spamming?
good luck with that
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The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
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The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
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that does nothing to address a wide-spread problem
here, we're looking for real solutions to the spam problem
the spam problem is not mine, as a user, though I'm sure you'd like to run around calling everyone who doesnt enjoy your spamming a noob
the spam problem lies in the relationship & system ecostructure existing between ad companies, googles own ad interests, app devs, dev ethics, ad compnay ethics and Google policies
but would you rather I "just shut up", or "just go away"?
rather than solving a serious problem?
and might that have something to do with your own ad spamming?
this is about a real solution, not shutting up one person so you continue carrying about like a monkey
thanks for your imput though
and please vote
Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
I don't like ads and don't see any advantage these ads provide besides giving you totally pointless info.
But since you are free to download and install anything you wan't i don't see a reason to then just uninstall the app and either buy the full unlocked version without ads or find another app that does what you wan't.
I hardly have any apps on my phone with ads so annoying that i needed to click the ad away before i could use the app.
On your comment that a dev needs to EARN his money
On one side i do follow you and one only should receive money after showing his programming money worthy skills.
But isn't that the whole idea of a free & paid app? If you like what you see in the free 'ad sponsored' app then you can buy the app and have an AD FREE app.
If there are still ads in the paid version you just uninstall it and get your money back to never look at that dev ever again.
And if you still say they need to give you and ad free version and then you'll happy pay them if it's good then WOW what a naive mind setting you live in.
Once a person receives a free full working ad free version then let's say 80% (no stats to show just made this up) won't even bother helping out the dev by donating. Out of those 80% one side are cheapskates not carrying about the dev and on the other sides they don't like the app but since it was adfree they still use it.
Long discussion short:
- You are free to choose what you DL / use so if you don't like ads use the paid versions or just don't use ad sponsored apps
- A dev should be allowed to use in app ads no matter what ( cause people are cheap bastards)
- Ad sponsoring does provide some income (i was able to host 2 sites in the past purely running on ads)
To me this thread is just your way to vent out ad frustration and trying to find other people with the same mind set.
But face it if you don't like ads go live in a cave because:
- Ads on radio
- Ads on TV
- Ads in Newspaper
- Ads in magazine
- Ads on the roads
- Ads on the internet
- All your base are belong to ads
As to finding a solution. there is NO solution.
Ads exists because companies wan't there name out there to be known and don't mind spending some $$ to achieve it.
If you can make it so companies can let everyone know who/what they are/do (<--- HHMMM ads) then you will automatically remove the ads from every place.
See how this above sentence made absolutely no sense what so ever ( point proven that ads are impossible to remove cause then companies won't survive)
What are you on? You're having a conversation with yourself in this thread and the front page comments. Google is making steps to make those annoying ad distribution methods bannable. Take a deep breath, count to 10, and relax. In the future, stop downloading all these trash apps that keep spamming you.
On your original post, I don't think Google should rebrand Android. Rebranding is terrible. I vote keep the name the same
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Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
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hmm, well, i strongly disagree there is "no" solution
lets look more closely at the problem
On the developer side, they are doing the best with what they have, which is a very limited education focused on a very narrow field.. not your marketing wizs.. they are doing what they know, which is ad-based internet revenue generating as a valid form of advertising..
but that doesnt work when it takes up a tenth of your screen.
and the other side of the problem is that companies like Coco-cola, or whatever, who are not very tech-savvy, have hitherto had to rely on said webdevs to place their ads and run their online marketing
but make no mistake, the overwhelming majority of internet marketers are not actually marketers at all, but are little web designers and social media architects etc, that have really no concept of how to set-up, run, or manage a proper Marketing Campaign...
both sides are to blame..
u cant understand why I am so upset, so I'll tell you right now it likely has something to do with the fact that I have been in Marketing for the last decade. real, actual marketing, and have taught advanced-level marketing at some of the best marketing institutes, including those in Singapore.
anyway.. there are many ways to make money, ads in your app that people have to pay to remove is one way you can try to earn money
another way, and perhaps one of the best ways, is micro-charging, a concept fully realize in Korea, Japan & China, but which Americans can't seem to grasp at all.. and I have my doubts as to whether they ever will.
firstly, the carriers wont ever do whats needed for micro-charging to work, namely, allow you to take it out of your account, largely because America is not a Pay as you go telecom system, but one you pay per month and are given a set plan..
in Asia, you recharge your phone by recharge cards, and with a click of a button you deduct money from your balance for whatever you want
and Secondly, because America cant seem to figure out the numbers, and take that leap of faith required to charge people $0.01-$0.05 cents per function, rather than $0.25 and up... and offer them enough activity for their money they had a good time with it...
EA Sports is an example of such a company failing to grasp this basic Asian concept.
EA bought Popcap, and being a North American company is having a hard time making it successful in China.. Plants vs Zombies 2 for your Android Device is currently only out in China, and its one of the most popular games, currently... But those EA dorks ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE WILL PAY 2RMB FOR 5 SECONDS WORTH OF IN-GAME FUNCTIONALITY.. ok. actually, its for blue diamonds. but anyway..
they are completely retarded.. people play that game all day long.. charging 2 to 5 Cents per function is ok, you may use that function up to 2rmb or 2 dollars a day, and be happy to pay for it if you got a good amount of fun for your money...
but to charge someone 2 yuan because YOU think people should pay 2 Yuan, because you laugh at 1 cent.. even when its not actually costing you anything to increase the in-game value, actually makes you a retard.. in Asia anyway..
or make them pay upfront from a large number of tokens etc.. is not going to work as well as on-demand, need-it-now, 1 to 5 cent, single-click, in-app micro-pays
especially when you have 1 billion users. who play the game every day for years to come
instead, what dorky American companies get is exactly squat.. and its probably more than they deserve
OR they give you some lame crappy game and expect you to pay for having a worthwhile game
Plants v Zombies is a very fun game, challenging, and fulfilling, even if you never spend a penny on micro-charges
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another way people make money is by offering a very great and fully functional app, that is in itself a pleasure & joy to use, and fulfills your needs.
then, YOU GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND INCREASE THE SIZE AND FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR PROGRAM 2-10 TIMES MORE
yes, that means way more work for you
and then, you charge people small amounts to add that functionality
Pleco is an example of a successful app doing this.. they give you a great, robust, very full-featured & useful app that is itself very complete and you would not need anything more
they then offer you things you didnt even know you wanted until you saw partly how they work within the app, and you end up buying them
.......... great
and another way is create an app for free, also without ads, that people really enjoy, and then request that they donate to you if they enjoyed it & feel its worth it
they sometimes even suggest an amount.
or they ask you to pay if you use it for business, or you make money with that app, etc..
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AND THEN, in stark contrast to all the ad-free options above, there is the worst possible way imaginable.. you make an app which annoys the crap out of everybody, making them hate your app, causing some people to fall into epileptic seizures, when you yourself have not even the slightest concept of what marketing is..
those ads arent even targeted, maybe by region or IP address, but rest assured, many more people will be hating your company, when you stick crap in the face of people who would never use your product and are not even in your target demographic.
its completely useless
WHAT USE COULD POSSIBLY COME FROM SPAMMING AN ELITE 30 SOMETHING MALE WITH ADS OF WOMEN'S MAKEUP?
none..
its a marketing fail
and its worse than that, it actually hurts your company
and no, you cant ask your customers why your ad spamming bothers them and look at them like they're stupid for not wanting them on the limited space displays in their handheld devices
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and worse than those people are the ones who also want you to pay for complete functionality on a limited functionality app, or to remove the ads
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there is definitely solutions
Marketing companies taking over App Development from the too-geeky-to-get-it devs
let people click close on the banner, and dont make it re-open until the next time the app is opened
or something like youtube has done, "you can close this banner ad in 5-4-3-2-1"
the ability to 'click next' on the ad, with an option to say "this ad doesnt apply to me"
and for google to enforce these protocols, as well as require all in-app ads to be targeted to a specific demographic according to more than 3 demographic or psychographic criteria..
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oh, make no mistake, my friend, the problem is monumental
and, yes, there are many, many solutions to the problem.. indeed...
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I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
SammiSaysHello said:
I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
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its not a complete rebranding.. that is obviously the same current android logo, the android logo is very familiar, and it can have many different versions
the above version is just a suggestions.
Google is the brand, Android is a product line of the brand
and its in a dynamic market needing dynamic & innovative adjustments to keep up with the trends, technology, and social nuances
Adroid would be a re-introduction, an honest improvement over the current and inferior "Android"
Now, at this point I feel that I should point out to you that everything I have just said in this post right here is a joke.. not the haha type, but kind of a sad parody.. or more of a parable of sorts
it seems nobody here can really get a figure of speech that has a lesson beyond the surface text
the Adroid above is an example of everything that is wrong with the current situation in Google's Android platform and its connectors
its a Metaphor
for a real and devastating problem
shall I draw an image of exactly how annoying it is..
this is what it would look like on an HD Windows 7 Desktop
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Perhaps instead of a full banner, they could make a small corner icon, that says "Click to See Your Ads"
"what use is that", you say?
"who would ever click on that"? you say?
Before installing an ad-supported app from the Ad-supported app section of Google Play, you need to first install the "Special Offers Manager" app.. where you are given a list of options/ a short survey where you select the type of ads you are interested in
You can select things like "sports", "movies", Fishing" etc, entering your own text if suitable choices arent available
you can also sign up for ads from specific companies or products, like Pepsi, Nike, Walmart, etc..
and you only get those ads..
AND they are full-screen, multi-page ads
and they never auto-appear
so the ads are tailored to the person's interests and personal preferences, and thus spark their interest, and may even be anticipated, or the highlight of their android usage.
"But they wont click on them if they arent shoved in their faces" you angrily exclaim
but they will, because they know there is something relevant to them, and because they can be presented with ACTUALLY SPECIAL offers.. that is, offers the user finds special, not offers the company finds special
on clicking an ad, you see Pepsi or Walmart, you are presented with a full-page Coupon or page of coupons,, or swipable multi-pages, as a coupon book..
then you click "Save QR Code" on a specific coupon, and its stored in your "Special Offers Manager" which comes as a stand-alone app for people who want to use Ad-supported ads.. the ads can be viewed by company or by date..
and there is an option in the "Special Offers Manager" app to only update coupons on WiFi connection, so you can upload larger coupon books
and all ad-supported ads are labelled as such on Google Play, and searchable in a specific category, separate from "Free".. Free, and "Ad-Supported Free"
then you go to a store, pull out your phone, go to your 'Special Offers Manager', click "Get QR Code" for the offer you saved, scan it at the store, and receive your special offer.
users will actively seek out the ads, clicking through them on the "Next" and "Previous" buttons, cycling through ads made just for you, according to your needs.
no secret info collecting and guessing what people want
whatever.. America is 15 years out from this, yet.. if ever
And here's a well put together article for you take a gander at http://www.forbes.com/sites/ayoomojola/2013/09/26/ios-is-for-revenue-android-is-for-ads/
iOS users spend more on Apps, Android users don't. iOS users are going to shell out more $$$ for a product that's not always up to date or quickly falls behind the Android competitors.
So Android users it would seem have adapted and can deal with the ads. If it's something that bothers you so greatly, maybe you should take your money over to iOS. Pay more and get less ads. bye!
Surprise surprise this thread is going nowhere. I'm shocked.
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