Hey guys,
Recently there's been talks about piracy on Android and how developers seem to shy away from it and produce games for iOS. That's actually the reason why developers of Infinite Blade refuses to port the game to Android. I've recently gotten the chance to speak with the creative director Matt Small of Vector Unit (Riptide GP). In this interview he talks about piracy and how its equal on both sides of the os. You guys really think its that bad? In truth when GTA 3 came out today someone already posted the apk on this forums mere hours it showed up in the market.
Anyway check it out:
http://droidgamers.com/index.php/ga...-unit-talks-piracy-tegra-and-of-course-games-
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Piracy is always present in some form and amount on all devices. Windows Phone for example is pretty much closed platform, thus very unsuccessful to make bigger impact on the market. There is always "awareness" in big % of the consumers that think that piracy is bad and illegal, so software market is never that hurt. Some polls says that no platform has piracy more than a 10% (except PC of course), so it is not an issue and reason for someone not to port a good game on all the platforms. PC market is the biggest on the planet, so bigger amount of piracy is actually lower in numbers comparing to the others (more than 1.3 Bilion people are using Windows).
Piracy happens on iOS too. It just takes slightly longer, but every paid app that's worth getting gets pirated sooner or later.
The attitudes towards piracy on iOS versus Android are what I find most interesting though. When I was on iOS, pirating expensive apps was almost chic. It was talked about openly on some sites and seriously everyone I knew with an iPhone had stuff like sinful and hackulous in their Cydia repos. Now that I'm on Android, the online community is all about supporting the devs and pirating is looked down upon (at least openly).
Oh yes there is plenty of piracy going around in the android community. I've been doing some "research" on this topic and have discovered sites like Applanet, Blapkmarket, Snappzmarket, etc. Thrive in third party distribution of both free and paid apps. Though it is frowned upon in the general android population, i understand the people that use these sites when it comes down to not being able to spend hard earned money on overpriced apps in this ridiculous economy. (Not saying i support them, i just understand). Maybe we can make a compromise one day, who knows?
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Pirated apps arenpirated for one main reason. To install some sort malware or keylogger onto your phone. Use a pirated app and enjoy what it brings.
As for apps not being ported because of it is just a cop out. It is everywhere no matter what OS it is.
There is one additional unpleasant thing in market. In some stores (not android market) people steal applications, changes its name (without changing application itself), after that they sell it from their name.
it exist in every OS you can imagine, even something ancient like Atari, or as new as Windows 8
as long as there are humans, you can never get away from it
just like the recent SOPA bill even if it passes, it means nothing as people already have work around and anti SOPA internet ready to deploy the moment it hits
that's why the best way to prevent piracy is to offer the App for free, and make them pay as they use it for additional features
this is becoming a very common practice in a lot of games, even Gameloft has joined the play
they all learned that from the MMO free to play, but pay to upgrade schemes
it's a very "honest" movement, and people will certainly pay to get what they want, as there is no way to dupe, hack, crack, stuff that is only available on the server side.
else they get banned
AllGamer said:
it exist in every OS you can imagine, even something ancient like Atari, or as new as Windows 8
as long as there are humans, you can never get away from it
just like the recent SOPA bill even if it passes, it means nothing as people already have work around and anti SOPA internet ready to deploy the moment it hits
that's why the best way to prevent piracy is to offer the App for free, and make them pay as they use it for additional features
this is becoming a very common practice in a lot of games, even Gameloft has joined the play
they all learned that from the MMO free to play, but pay to upgrade schemes
it's a very "honest" movement, and people will certainly pay to get what they want, as there is no way to dupe, hack, crack, stuff that is only available on the server side.
else they get banned
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''Freemium" or pay to play games is a great alternatives, but is in the brink of oversaturation. Its great that we receive games for free, but the micro transaction will only hurt if every single developer jumps in. I'm sure most will charge you for small ridiculous trinkets.
Take a look at Blood and Glory for example. Great gameplay and graphics. But almost impossible to play without purchasing something. I'd rather pay full price just to have everything available. Its breaks immersion when your trying to play and a box pops out asking you a dollar to unlock a level. Game developers should give us an option for a full game.Sad to see vector unit thinking of going that route.
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Isn't piracy even worse on iOS with stuff like Installous? I think developers should just jump on on board - by joining android they're going to make more money anyway aren't they?
Im not saying piracy isn't a problem on Android, but it's much more of a problem on iOS. Google have license checks with the market, which I don't believe exist on iOS. Saying you wont make an app for Android because of piracy is complete ********
I don't get it. Why not just install the free versions and deal with the ads? It's not that expensive to pay for the full app, not most apps anyways? I think pirating apps is more of an "because I can" and less of an "I can't afford it."
The worst is buying an app that receives no updates , becomes obselete and then just sits in your app list forever.....
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But equally, when you put the word "open" in open source, this is something google should have been prepared for. They even give the tools for piraters to pirate files. For example, if I'm rooted and know a package name of an APK, then all I have to do is adb pull the file, and upload it. It is sad that people go out and pirate games because it does discourage devs, but they know the wolves are in the den ahead before they walk into the forest. Apple is jailbreakable, but that takes for-freaking-ever, webOS is now open source, so its gonna have some miiiinor issues, and Windows basically hits the idea of open source with a giant middle finger, so it is horrible, but its one of those things you don't have a choice to do but accept.!
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just make all games pay as you go like sleepy jack and cordy or the many many many MMO "free" to play, but pay to be elite
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I don't get it. Why not just install the free versions and deal with the ads? It's not that expensive to pay for the full app, not most apps anyways? I think pirating apps is more of an "because I can" and less of an "I can't afford it."
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Because not every application has a free ad-supported version
Simple reason google checkout not supported by all banks, the transfer is declined,in india hence we cant buy any app...
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Ok, here I go....I'm sure I'll get mega-flamed for this but..I don't care. I pirate. Alot. Why? Because I'm poor. Seriously. I feel like, its not fair that only those that have money get to enjoy everything. Typically, if an app is good and really proves itself useful, I will eventually buy it when I'm able. Same goes for PC software, movies, music, etc. Why the hell would I wanna waste money I don't have on something that turns out to be worthless crap. And furthermore, the rights holders that seem to ***** the most tend to be (typically but not always) those that are most well off. I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad because I didn't put another dollar in some rich [email protected]%k's pocket. Like I said, if its worthy, I'll eventually buy it. I have paid for all the must have paid apps that I use for rooting my phone and tweaking it etc. Which brings me to another point, the fact that so many seem to believe that the rooting community as a whole only root so we can pirate...pure BS. As someone who admits to pirating, I root my phone for the pure and simple reason of installing custom ROMS and tweaking my phone. I can do all the pirating I want on my PC, I don't need my phone for that. I do try to support devs that provide quality and useful apps, because I know they are working hard to try and earn a buck, just like me...but all the rich conglomerates can kiss my @ss. If I had plenty of money, I wouldn't pirate...honestly, what would be the point? But I don't. So for now I'm just a little dog trying to enjoy myself in world made for big dogs. And that's considered a crime...that's a crying shame.
And on a side note, I'm really not trying to be offensive, just being honest...
I can get any app i want on my iphone for free if I were so inclinded.
reality is app makers make more with ios apps. end of story
Related
HI,
realise the pocket pc software are quite expensive... Anyone want to share their license copy, games, utility etc. I guess all can benefit right?... Rather we all purchase on our own.
Or may be we can all chip in to buy.... We can use services like Paypal to remittance money to each other.
Me interested in the Age of Empires Gold Edition. Anyone got a full license one. Nyditot Virtual Display 3.01 ?...
Warezzzz
I'm just speaking for myself here...
I have no major moral objections against copying copyrighted software, but I can also see the point of software companies trying to make a buck. I even co-own a small software company that will be trying to make a buck soon. But please believe me when I say that this is not the reason I'm posting this message.
I would hate to see warez being traded on this system. I've seen what frequent warez trading does to the atmosphere of communities like ours. Before long, professional traders will post requests. People will offer to pay for stuff, warez ftp server addresses 'for-the-day' will be posted, etc. etc. etc.
There's plenty of good forums on Usenet that have plenty of (alt.binaries.)warez posted to them. They have much less good productive atmosphere to waste and they work well.
Omigosh...
Well I don't think warezing software is something terribly wrong (it's not a theft usually), but if somebody likes the software, he should buy it. However, nobody can expect a 18 year old czech student to spend 80 bucks for SSH client he uses once a week.
I think those who use software to make money (companies, managers etc...) should buy the software. Those who just "play" with software and install and deinstall applications 5 times a day can get a warez copy. But if I find a great piece of soft I want to keep (forever), I buy it.
(I don't buy software, I'm a poor student and the software fee doesn't repay itself).
And another thing... I would never trade software here - in public, in a tech forum with guest access...
If you can afford an XDA and the phone contracts that go with it, you can afford the software - most programs are only 10-15 USD. A few like AoE are more, and I can tell you worth the extra money.
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Tim
Basically, i find it rather amusing the comments given. Anyway, my intention is not to spread the so called 'piracy'. The intention was to share files with your so called neighhours. If you think my sharing for example DVD - THe spider man to let the neighhour watch or use, then the whole world must be pracitising that, even your neighhouhood video store is spread 'piracy'. I mean people can always rent it and duplicate at their home right?......
Furthmore, forum is more less like a obtaining information, sharing etc. That's why I use the words like sharing. Wanna to charge those sharing information. If you think this kind actions is bad, I think this forum shall stop hacking the XDA stuff..
I got my new 02 XDA 64MB at US$500 only.... Spend so much $$$ on electronic stuff for what?........ Earniing money is not an easy task. and for you info only a few program is US$10/= Most are more that U$20/=. IF you get 10 how much will it be, and the money is only for 1 version. don;t forget the accessories thats comes with it. If you think u have extra $$$ to spend on this software. Share with it someone who is not as rich as u.
there is loads of free stuff out there if you want it a forum like this is brillant for info but there is a wide range of others out there
My two cents in what seems to become a long thread.
First to answer mac's orignal question. I can't help you (currently :lol: )
In response to XDA developer Peter Poelman's response I want to submit that in order to keep this forum alive we certainly don't need the professional traders.
As for software licensing. I have been/am on both sides. User and author. It's annoying if people just copy whatever they like, especially if they make a lot of money with it.
My justification so far has been. I use 'evaluation copies' for 2 or 3 weeks or so and if it is still in use I buy the software. Is it legal? Probably not? Is this wrong? Probably yes, but I can sleep at night.
We all invent 'our rules' for the world. If you want to be safe, stick with the rules. If not just be prepared to have your [email protected]# kicked every now and then.
Although I sympathise with the argument of being a student, etc etc, that doesn't justify it (nor do my own 'rules' do that). What would you charge someone with 5 children and being a single parent?
And most of the times there are alternatives. For instance in the windows space there is a lot of free software around and some of them are real jewels. If you are curious: www.nonags.com.
Industry responds with free software containing banners and adds, we all hate them, install cracks/patches to get rid of them. Wake up guys. They give it away for free and still we whine. (yes, I hate adds and banners to and I kill them whenever possible). I think we shouldn't whine about initiatives like Palladium if we copying everything we can get our hands on.
Overall my advise is: don't use THIS forum for conducting that behaviour and for the rest live and let live. In my opinion its a forum for undertanding the XDA and its technology. I don't even have one yet ( :evil: ) but I have learned a lot already. One could argue about some of the things tht could be done with the XDA (un-simlocking of accidently locked phones) but it's mainly discussing the device, software and accessoiries.
Being nosy is not a crime.
Having knowledge is not a crime.
But using knowledge could be a crime.
And even the first 2 can be a crime depending on where you live.
Pfffffffffft, I must be PMS'ing. Sorry people :wink:
Robert
I think games should be paid for....
but as far as tools etc goes I think it would be fair to follow the GPL...
You pay for what you make money with.
I'm a frequent visitor to alt.binaries....pocketpc and I've probaly downloaded 700mb or so in pocketpc warez since I bought my XDA...
I have an easynews account which archives newsgroup posts from the last 30 days.
That software I downloaded because I thought it looked interesting; not because it was there. Out of those god knows how many programs I have 12 programs that I keep on my xda at all times... these I have registered:
Battery Pack 2003 <<< really good
Resco Explorer 2003
Lextionary <<< prolly the best dictionary tool
Snails
Marble Worlds
Diamond Mine <<< addictive as hell
Speedball 2 << we love the Amiga !!
Pocket C64 <speaks for itself>
Dockware
Small menu <<< damn good btw
Rhinostats
Truefax
The others I played with for a while and then dumped because they were errr CRAP ? or there were other better alternatives (atleast in the power monitoring area)
Diamond mine I downloaded months ago... and only registered yesterday.
I dont believe in buying stuff I dont need.. and downloading them gives me more time to decide whither I'm going to keep it... or fire it onto a DVDRW and forget about it after a month.
I also have a wares copy of Autocad Studio Max 5 on my computer... $5k to buy in the shops...
most people dont learn this program at Uni (atleast the good ones anyways). Most of them pick up a copy when they are in their early teens and continue to learn with it till they master the techniques. After doing so they go to Uni and get the bit of paper... later on they get a job with a company which has bought a license to the application.
Autocad arent missing out on my license... I'd have never considering paying the $5,000 in the first place.
Some people say that 3D Animation is a craft. I've known people who have been 'learning' it for the past 7 years. Where would Autocad get its budding new business licenses if the 3D warez market dried up and only the large software houses could afford them?
Games are different, you cant make money from them.
I bought StarScape the other day for the PC.
http://www.moonpod.com/English/about_ss.php
download the demo and give it a go
I normaly run games in 1600x1200 or above... but the fact this runs in 640x480 makes no difference.
You might also want to check this site out for some more quality game play... and best of all they are free 8)
http://www.tierraentertainment.com/ (reworked kings Quest I&II)
http://www.back2roots.org/ (shtuff from eons ago)
games from the era of when gaming had gameplay, hand drawn graphics and not just a billion polygons fired at it.
Strange comment from a 3D artist.
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hi mac
try bear share there is loads of software on there i dont think we should trade games on here i used to use another site for my nokia communicator and it started to trade software and now it gives very little free and has turned into a business venture about selling software and not the product which it was originally meant to help promote amongst fellow users
Well, we'll be relasing a game soon aswell and i would like to think that if people download the demo and they are happy with it, that they would then go on to buy the full version. Its not like the average pocket pc game costs a fortune.
The way I look at it is if people dont buy software, people will stop writing it, I have purchased many games/apps, and am glad i supported the writers of such software. As a result newer and better versions are released, i prime example is Battery Bar along with Journal Bar, fantastic bit of software.
Alright here's the deal. I have an app idea for a game that I plan on creating that is very simple, and I have a good feeling it will take off. My worries is that developing it will almost be pointless because of the lax android market policy. I am a new programmer, so my worry is I will make the app pretty decent, and some more experienced programmer will be able to duplicate it and make it better. This just doesn't seem right. I know this happens all the time (Fruit Slice, for example, is a Fruit Ninja knockoff and it's free).
Android is a love it/ hate it relationship. Users love being able to download just as good of knockoffs for free, but I'm sure this is a major turn off for developers who worked hard on their original idea's, just to have it undercut by another developer who will offer a similar (or even better app) for free. Part of me wishes I could just develop it for iOS, but I don't have a Mac or iPhone, and don't ever plan on getting one.
My question is, is there anyway to stop it? Like a patent, or something similar? This is my major hesitation to developing for android. I know I'm not going to be the best programmer out there, but it's the idea that make the apps, and that's where I feel like (I'm sure a lot of other people do too) I could do some contributing. Let me know how you guys feel about this
Anybody? 10Char
welcome to programming for any platform. There are (free) alternatives to almost every single program (android-based, windows-based, etc...)
I think you're in a very bad place to ask about that question. Programmers are usually not at all fond of patents since they tend to be overly broad, hard to detect and generally of low quality. (In case you haven't noticed that's also my opinion)
But yes, if that's what you want to do, a patent would be the way to go. Copyright protects your code, but not your idea.
Make it free. Put ads on it. If it takes off make an iOS one
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As far as I can remember, from my Intellectual Property Law class, software (i.e. apps) cannot be the subject of a patent. But of course, this changes from country to country.
Here are some links you might want to read up on:
http://www.wipo.int/patentscope/en/patents_faq.html#software
http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm
Computer-based inventions... yeah, they're not supposed to be patentable: Not in the US and even less in the EU. The key point is how computer-based inventions is defined. The standard way around it is simply to patent "a machine doing XY" instead of "XY"
Basically, the patent clerks don't check for anything but formalities. I used to help out on the peertopatent platform, but it just became ridicolous because the clerks would let everything through no matter what prior art or explanations of obviousness we provided.
Patenting is the worst thing you can do. Don't you read all the patent BS going around lately? Also, spending money on a patent won't be enough, you'll also need to spent money enforcing it, and you won't make any friends by being a litigator.
All you can do is provide the best product you can come up with and hope for the best. If someone makes something similar but better, well, you'll just have to work harder. Or drop the whole thing.
But as others have said, you'll have this problem on *all* platforms. A practical example, when Nero released their burning app for Linux, my thought was "This is kinda cool, but why would I pay for Nero, when there's K3B and other apps that to the job, but are open source and free?"
The trick is to provide something others don't have. In the case of NeroLinux it's familiarity for ex-Windows folks or dual-booters. In your case it could be more features, better graphics, easier to navigate interface, regularly provided additional content... something in that direction.
Believe it or not, this is my first smartphone due to the fact I am on a family plan and got free service and didn't want to have my own phone bill. I was given the radar as a gift, but I'm not sure it's for me. I have read a little about the windows phone OS, and it does look promising and I like the phone and features.
The problem is that I don't have a lot to spend on apps. I know there are lots of good free apps for android, but I hear this is a growing platform.
Is this a good phone for my first smartphone? I pick up tech very quickly, I just dumped most of my cash into a new pc build for xmas, so I will be pretty broke. I also hear you can't "jailbreak" (or equivalent) windows phone yet.
I'm sure if I got an android I would try the android equivalent (a ROM I suppose). Is that what I need to do to get apps and games on a non-existent budget? It will cost me 50$ for restocking fee, so if windows phone is worth sticking with, I would love to hear any opinions why and how I can get the apps I need (don't need specifics, just know that it can be done easily).
Thanks in advance, I am reading up on windows phone and android, I just would like advice about my particular situation.
pattamus said:
Believe it or not, this is my first smartphone due to the fact I am on a family plan and got free service and didn't want to have my own phone bill. I was given the radar as a gift, but I'm not sure it's for me. I have read a little about the windows phone OS, and it does look promising and I like the phone and features.
The problem is that I don't have a lot to spend on apps. I know there are lots of good free apps for android, but I hear this is a growing platform.
Is this a good phone for my first smartphone? I pick up tech very quickly, I just dumped most of my cash into a new pc build for xmas, so I will be pretty broke. I also hear you can't "jailbreak" (or equivalent) windows phone yet.
I'm sure if I got an android I would try the android equivalent (a ROM I suppose). Is that what I need to do to get apps and games on a non-existent budget? It will cost me 50$ for restocking fee, so if windows phone is worth sticking with, I would love to hear any opinions why and how I can get the apps I need (don't need specifics, just know that it can be done easily).
Thanks in advance, I am reading up on windows phone and android, I just would like advice about my particular situation.
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It sounds like you're asking fir help in obtaining paid apps for free, which XDA has strict rules prohibiting any discussion, or help in this area. Having said that, most paid apps on Android market have free versions with ads. I'm not a huge fan of Windows phones, but it wouldn't hurt to play around with it for a few days to see if you like it. Because you have no experience with smartphones, the only way you will be able to compare it would be to check out an Android device at a store, or go on youtube and watch a few in depth reviews on other Android devices.
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Thanks for the reply. I wasn't looking for anyone to tell me where I could get free paid apps, it's more about the freedom to unlock the phone, etc. Free apps would be good too, I just didn't know if windows phone was more pay oriented than android. Didn't mean to break any rules, sorry if it came off like that.I see a bunch of stuff about jailbreaking and roms, so I guess it is a fine line.
I guess what I want to ask is how difficult it is to "unlock" these phones compared to android. I see a post that says this phone doesn't have that option yet, but that is something I would definitely look into, as I love freedom with anything I own. It's more to get rid of DRM and things of that nature than it is to "pirate" anything.
I will give this one a shot, but if it's more pay oriented and "locked down" feeling, android might be better for me.
pattamus said:
Thanks for the reply. I wasn't looking for anyone to tell me where I could get free paid apps, it's more about the freedom to unlock the phone, etc. Free apps would be good too, I just didn't know if windows phone was more pay oriented than android. Didn't mean to break any rules, sorry if it came off like that.I see a bunch of stuff about jailbreaking and roms, so I guess it is a fine line.
I guess what I want to ask is how difficult it is to "unlock" these phones compared to android. I see a post that says this phone doesn't have that option yet, but that is something I would definitely look into, as I love freedom with anything I own. It's more to get rid of DRM and things of that nature than it is to "pirate" anything.
I will give this one a shot, but if it's more pay oriented and "locked down" feeling, android might be better for me.
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There is a Chevron Unlock method for Mango. But I would suggest holding off on unlocking it, but for the fact you might return it. As for the paid/free app ratio on windows phone, tge best thing to do is browse that market and see what's out there. Windows phone is definitely cool looking, and has ut's good features, just not good enough to convince me to ditch Android. Albeit I don't know you, I think it's safe to assume you'd prefer Android over Windows phone. Android (imho), is the best thing to happen to cell phones. It has the largest MOD following of any platform, and a ton of fun to use. XDA actually started off as a windows phone forum, but qiickly grew to support Android as well. Android is the future of cell phones. Do I sound like a fanboy or what?
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Yeah, I had my eye on android for awhile, I only held out because of the convenience of getting free service and the cost held me back, but it looks I can finally move forward. I do like this phone, and would like to keep it, but if I will get a better long term experience with android, it might be a wise choice to pay the fee and go with that.
But I am still open to any suggestions anyone may have about windows phone, or why I may prefer this platform.
I had an hd2 with android then WP on personally prefer the UI of Wp, but at the mo there is more out there for Android personally I think most apps are gimmicky and the office and SkyDrive integration is worth going with WP alone....
If you want a lot of apps go android, if you want a nice phone/text/camera UI experience stick with the radar
Buy what you can afford. There are a lot of free apps and many have free trials that are simply ad supported. What you'll have to pay for is xbox live games but you wouldnt go to an xbox forum and post about getting free games would you?
Another thing, if you just got the radar chances are you qualify for the free $25 app card. I got mines in the mail
https://windowsphone.promo.eprize.com/redemptionprogram/:b=ie9/
Other than that the Radar is a fabulous phone and I love it!
Thanks man, I did qualify for that! That should help.
Another question about this phone is the navigation. There is an app that wants 10$ a month, and that's a little high.. There's a "local scout" that gives directions in a non turn-by-turn fashion, and that would be fine for me. Is there a way to input an address to this app? It only has a few limited locations. Or do I have to pay 10$ a month or no navigation? Anyone know a reasonably priced alternative to this?
Bing has turn by turn...
Recently we've seen how some Russian hacker allowed ios users to get free in app purchases, and before that there was the iap cracker app. Of course, these are all illegal.
But cheat engines and trainers are legal, no? So, what if you used a cheat engine to get for example, more coins in a game, without going through the in app purchases at all? Is that illegal? I mean, it's just like using a game trainer on a pc game, modifying the code within your own device. I just wanted to know what you guys think.
Still seems dishonest. But if u can do it well done.. but should keep it to yourself. A lot of people on here makes these apps right???
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Totally illegal and Totally not supported by xda-devs.
As has already been mentioned by slking1989, you are basically taking money away from the very same developers who provide a very great service here.
Dishonest and unethical.
I am really shocked in how you can contemplate such a thing at this site.
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Totally illegal and Totally not supported by xda-devs.
As has already been mentioned by slking1989, you are basically taking money away from the very same developers who provide a very great service here.
Dishonest and unethical.
I am really shocked in how you can contemplate such a thing at this site.
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Not sure I'd completely agree with that. I don't support piracy, theft or any other kind of dishonesty, however, take a game like FarmVille for example. Coins can be earned simply by playing, or by buying them in bulk. If you used a cheat engine to get millions of coins, it's arguable that all you've done is save time rather than actually steal anything (as coins are given out for free)
If, however, you got a lot of farm cash, which Is only given to you when you level up, so only a finite amount can be earned legitimately, then that would be wrong.
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Closed.
Using a cheat engine to get items that you generally have to pay for in bulk, but can get for free would sound like a bit of an ethical gray area, but I would most likely come down on the side of the argument that it would be enabling warez, which is not something we want on XDA.
Now, I will plead guilty to disliking the (For lack of a better phrase) nickel and diming coin in app purchases, but I just don't play games that force you to spend in order to advance.
If the name "Android" were changed to something more accurate & device-specific, people could make more informed decisions
I suggest ADroid
like Ad + Roids = ADroids
The Discussion here is thought provoking
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Maybe Ad-Droid would be better
ADDROID
or ADD-Droid
or AdsDroid
or maybe even... "spamdroid"
ooh i like that one
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http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
matgras said:
http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
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I'm sorry, but did you vote?
please do because I'm especially interested in hearing from the people who make the apps with the ads in them..
This thread is created specifically to address this very issue..
How many people, upon entering the android shop and playing around with the phone, had any idea 90% of the apps are chock full of annoying ads?
there was literally not a single google ad on any of the phones I tried in all the stores
Its a bit deceiving.
Hence, the suggested name change..
no, i'm not spending even more money on even more phones.
thanks though
but we should be extra vigilant in helping others who may fall into the same trap
It may be too late for me, but I believe with the proper name change, we can help other people avoid this exact same problem.. a problem you yourself may even hate more than me.. if thats even possible
keep up the good work
and dont forget to vote!
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Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
Verstuurd van mijn ST18i met Tapatalk
matgras said:
buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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Yep, or turn off data & wifi if not needed, and that's it... no ads
matgras said:
Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
Verstuurd van mijn ST18i met Tapatalk
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is that 3 people? and are they all by chance app developers hoping to become millionaires?
MANKIND is fed up with the ads
we're fed up with noobs who should stick to programming or email spamming and stay the fk out of marketing, an area they obviously know nothing about.
you want money, you want a beer? EARN IT!
nobody's giving you any money because you annoy the sht out of them.. the advetising companies know that.. they are just using programmers for ad placement,, you are ad company fodder
the majority of ads on apps are not even making the developer any money.. if you didnt actually code the program yourself, and used one of the online app-building services, and are offering your app for free, then odds are you had no choice but to put ads in your app, just to be able to make it for free... and if you did pay to build it. all you get is 50% of ad revenue shared with the online builder service
and then you make 0% of the revenue the ads produce, and the online service makes 100% funded by THE most uneducated, classless, bunch of dirtbag wannabe advertisers on the planet, "the all-in-one-internet advertisers/codemonkeys"
buy you a beer eh?
are u joking or toking?
people donate money to developers who have made an awesome program from top to bottom.. a program they love, by a dev who offered it for free at a great personal cost, and who may very well have no money at all, since all of his time has been spent helping the community
thats how its always been
nobody is giving you any money for spamming them..
YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD.. your ads.. thats your beer money, drunkard...you are not a coder who does things for the community, investing all his own free time for the benefit of others without reward or thought of reward...
you are someone who has chosen to spam the community for pittance, YOU DONT DESERVE COMMUNITY MONEY..
you already have a sugardaddy.. the Ad companies.
not only do you appear to be a pathetic beggar, and pretending to need beer money, you are also behind the Ad spammers, you are on their wagon.. you're playing both sides, like we're all a bunch of fools...
who in the hell is going to pay you anything just so that special ol' you may graciously stop your uber-annoyances & ad spamming?
good luck with that
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The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
dxppxd said:
The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
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that does nothing to address a wide-spread problem
here, we're looking for real solutions to the spam problem
the spam problem is not mine, as a user, though I'm sure you'd like to run around calling everyone who doesnt enjoy your spamming a noob
the spam problem lies in the relationship & system ecostructure existing between ad companies, googles own ad interests, app devs, dev ethics, ad compnay ethics and Google policies
but would you rather I "just shut up", or "just go away"?
rather than solving a serious problem?
and might that have something to do with your own ad spamming?
this is about a real solution, not shutting up one person so you continue carrying about like a monkey
thanks for your imput though
and please vote
Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
I don't like ads and don't see any advantage these ads provide besides giving you totally pointless info.
But since you are free to download and install anything you wan't i don't see a reason to then just uninstall the app and either buy the full unlocked version without ads or find another app that does what you wan't.
I hardly have any apps on my phone with ads so annoying that i needed to click the ad away before i could use the app.
On your comment that a dev needs to EARN his money
On one side i do follow you and one only should receive money after showing his programming money worthy skills.
But isn't that the whole idea of a free & paid app? If you like what you see in the free 'ad sponsored' app then you can buy the app and have an AD FREE app.
If there are still ads in the paid version you just uninstall it and get your money back to never look at that dev ever again.
And if you still say they need to give you and ad free version and then you'll happy pay them if it's good then WOW what a naive mind setting you live in.
Once a person receives a free full working ad free version then let's say 80% (no stats to show just made this up) won't even bother helping out the dev by donating. Out of those 80% one side are cheapskates not carrying about the dev and on the other sides they don't like the app but since it was adfree they still use it.
Long discussion short:
- You are free to choose what you DL / use so if you don't like ads use the paid versions or just don't use ad sponsored apps
- A dev should be allowed to use in app ads no matter what ( cause people are cheap bastards)
- Ad sponsoring does provide some income (i was able to host 2 sites in the past purely running on ads)
To me this thread is just your way to vent out ad frustration and trying to find other people with the same mind set.
But face it if you don't like ads go live in a cave because:
- Ads on radio
- Ads on TV
- Ads in Newspaper
- Ads in magazine
- Ads on the roads
- Ads on the internet
- All your base are belong to ads
As to finding a solution. there is NO solution.
Ads exists because companies wan't there name out there to be known and don't mind spending some $$ to achieve it.
If you can make it so companies can let everyone know who/what they are/do (<--- HHMMM ads) then you will automatically remove the ads from every place.
See how this above sentence made absolutely no sense what so ever ( point proven that ads are impossible to remove cause then companies won't survive)
What are you on? You're having a conversation with yourself in this thread and the front page comments. Google is making steps to make those annoying ad distribution methods bannable. Take a deep breath, count to 10, and relax. In the future, stop downloading all these trash apps that keep spamming you.
On your original post, I don't think Google should rebrand Android. Rebranding is terrible. I vote keep the name the same
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Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
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hmm, well, i strongly disagree there is "no" solution
lets look more closely at the problem
On the developer side, they are doing the best with what they have, which is a very limited education focused on a very narrow field.. not your marketing wizs.. they are doing what they know, which is ad-based internet revenue generating as a valid form of advertising..
but that doesnt work when it takes up a tenth of your screen.
and the other side of the problem is that companies like Coco-cola, or whatever, who are not very tech-savvy, have hitherto had to rely on said webdevs to place their ads and run their online marketing
but make no mistake, the overwhelming majority of internet marketers are not actually marketers at all, but are little web designers and social media architects etc, that have really no concept of how to set-up, run, or manage a proper Marketing Campaign...
both sides are to blame..
u cant understand why I am so upset, so I'll tell you right now it likely has something to do with the fact that I have been in Marketing for the last decade. real, actual marketing, and have taught advanced-level marketing at some of the best marketing institutes, including those in Singapore.
anyway.. there are many ways to make money, ads in your app that people have to pay to remove is one way you can try to earn money
another way, and perhaps one of the best ways, is micro-charging, a concept fully realize in Korea, Japan & China, but which Americans can't seem to grasp at all.. and I have my doubts as to whether they ever will.
firstly, the carriers wont ever do whats needed for micro-charging to work, namely, allow you to take it out of your account, largely because America is not a Pay as you go telecom system, but one you pay per month and are given a set plan..
in Asia, you recharge your phone by recharge cards, and with a click of a button you deduct money from your balance for whatever you want
and Secondly, because America cant seem to figure out the numbers, and take that leap of faith required to charge people $0.01-$0.05 cents per function, rather than $0.25 and up... and offer them enough activity for their money they had a good time with it...
EA Sports is an example of such a company failing to grasp this basic Asian concept.
EA bought Popcap, and being a North American company is having a hard time making it successful in China.. Plants vs Zombies 2 for your Android Device is currently only out in China, and its one of the most popular games, currently... But those EA dorks ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE WILL PAY 2RMB FOR 5 SECONDS WORTH OF IN-GAME FUNCTIONALITY.. ok. actually, its for blue diamonds. but anyway..
they are completely retarded.. people play that game all day long.. charging 2 to 5 Cents per function is ok, you may use that function up to 2rmb or 2 dollars a day, and be happy to pay for it if you got a good amount of fun for your money...
but to charge someone 2 yuan because YOU think people should pay 2 Yuan, because you laugh at 1 cent.. even when its not actually costing you anything to increase the in-game value, actually makes you a retard.. in Asia anyway..
or make them pay upfront from a large number of tokens etc.. is not going to work as well as on-demand, need-it-now, 1 to 5 cent, single-click, in-app micro-pays
especially when you have 1 billion users. who play the game every day for years to come
instead, what dorky American companies get is exactly squat.. and its probably more than they deserve
OR they give you some lame crappy game and expect you to pay for having a worthwhile game
Plants v Zombies is a very fun game, challenging, and fulfilling, even if you never spend a penny on micro-charges
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another way people make money is by offering a very great and fully functional app, that is in itself a pleasure & joy to use, and fulfills your needs.
then, YOU GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND INCREASE THE SIZE AND FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR PROGRAM 2-10 TIMES MORE
yes, that means way more work for you
and then, you charge people small amounts to add that functionality
Pleco is an example of a successful app doing this.. they give you a great, robust, very full-featured & useful app that is itself very complete and you would not need anything more
they then offer you things you didnt even know you wanted until you saw partly how they work within the app, and you end up buying them
.......... great
and another way is create an app for free, also without ads, that people really enjoy, and then request that they donate to you if they enjoyed it & feel its worth it
they sometimes even suggest an amount.
or they ask you to pay if you use it for business, or you make money with that app, etc..
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AND THEN, in stark contrast to all the ad-free options above, there is the worst possible way imaginable.. you make an app which annoys the crap out of everybody, making them hate your app, causing some people to fall into epileptic seizures, when you yourself have not even the slightest concept of what marketing is..
those ads arent even targeted, maybe by region or IP address, but rest assured, many more people will be hating your company, when you stick crap in the face of people who would never use your product and are not even in your target demographic.
its completely useless
WHAT USE COULD POSSIBLY COME FROM SPAMMING AN ELITE 30 SOMETHING MALE WITH ADS OF WOMEN'S MAKEUP?
none..
its a marketing fail
and its worse than that, it actually hurts your company
and no, you cant ask your customers why your ad spamming bothers them and look at them like they're stupid for not wanting them on the limited space displays in their handheld devices
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and worse than those people are the ones who also want you to pay for complete functionality on a limited functionality app, or to remove the ads
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there is definitely solutions
Marketing companies taking over App Development from the too-geeky-to-get-it devs
let people click close on the banner, and dont make it re-open until the next time the app is opened
or something like youtube has done, "you can close this banner ad in 5-4-3-2-1"
the ability to 'click next' on the ad, with an option to say "this ad doesnt apply to me"
and for google to enforce these protocols, as well as require all in-app ads to be targeted to a specific demographic according to more than 3 demographic or psychographic criteria..
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oh, make no mistake, my friend, the problem is monumental
and, yes, there are many, many solutions to the problem.. indeed...
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I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
SammiSaysHello said:
I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
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its not a complete rebranding.. that is obviously the same current android logo, the android logo is very familiar, and it can have many different versions
the above version is just a suggestions.
Google is the brand, Android is a product line of the brand
and its in a dynamic market needing dynamic & innovative adjustments to keep up with the trends, technology, and social nuances
Adroid would be a re-introduction, an honest improvement over the current and inferior "Android"
Now, at this point I feel that I should point out to you that everything I have just said in this post right here is a joke.. not the haha type, but kind of a sad parody.. or more of a parable of sorts
it seems nobody here can really get a figure of speech that has a lesson beyond the surface text
the Adroid above is an example of everything that is wrong with the current situation in Google's Android platform and its connectors
its a Metaphor
for a real and devastating problem
shall I draw an image of exactly how annoying it is..
this is what it would look like on an HD Windows 7 Desktop
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Perhaps instead of a full banner, they could make a small corner icon, that says "Click to See Your Ads"
"what use is that", you say?
"who would ever click on that"? you say?
Before installing an ad-supported app from the Ad-supported app section of Google Play, you need to first install the "Special Offers Manager" app.. where you are given a list of options/ a short survey where you select the type of ads you are interested in
You can select things like "sports", "movies", Fishing" etc, entering your own text if suitable choices arent available
you can also sign up for ads from specific companies or products, like Pepsi, Nike, Walmart, etc..
and you only get those ads..
AND they are full-screen, multi-page ads
and they never auto-appear
so the ads are tailored to the person's interests and personal preferences, and thus spark their interest, and may even be anticipated, or the highlight of their android usage.
"But they wont click on them if they arent shoved in their faces" you angrily exclaim
but they will, because they know there is something relevant to them, and because they can be presented with ACTUALLY SPECIAL offers.. that is, offers the user finds special, not offers the company finds special
on clicking an ad, you see Pepsi or Walmart, you are presented with a full-page Coupon or page of coupons,, or swipable multi-pages, as a coupon book..
then you click "Save QR Code" on a specific coupon, and its stored in your "Special Offers Manager" which comes as a stand-alone app for people who want to use Ad-supported ads.. the ads can be viewed by company or by date..
and there is an option in the "Special Offers Manager" app to only update coupons on WiFi connection, so you can upload larger coupon books
and all ad-supported ads are labelled as such on Google Play, and searchable in a specific category, separate from "Free".. Free, and "Ad-Supported Free"
then you go to a store, pull out your phone, go to your 'Special Offers Manager', click "Get QR Code" for the offer you saved, scan it at the store, and receive your special offer.
users will actively seek out the ads, clicking through them on the "Next" and "Previous" buttons, cycling through ads made just for you, according to your needs.
no secret info collecting and guessing what people want
whatever.. America is 15 years out from this, yet.. if ever
And here's a well put together article for you take a gander at http://www.forbes.com/sites/ayoomojola/2013/09/26/ios-is-for-revenue-android-is-for-ads/
iOS users spend more on Apps, Android users don't. iOS users are going to shell out more $$$ for a product that's not always up to date or quickly falls behind the Android competitors.
So Android users it would seem have adapted and can deal with the ads. If it's something that bothers you so greatly, maybe you should take your money over to iOS. Pay more and get less ads. bye!
Surprise surprise this thread is going nowhere. I'm shocked.
Thread closed.