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I am not familiar with android os, so i wanted to ask people who have some knowledge behind it a question.
What do you see improving with the thunderbolt when gingerbread gets released?
Do you think the thunderbolt will be able to improve its chances to still stand out against the dual-core phones with the help of 2.3?
I love my thunderbolt, it is my very first Android OS device and i am glad to be an early adopter of the 4g LTE network, i do personally feel that i put myself in a rough position because i chose a phone with a single core. Should i feel this way?
Thanks XDA, i've spent so many hours learning about phones in general on this board. it is my new home!
No, single core is great.
1. Apps must be written to utilize dual core (the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, which is much faster than needed)
2. Any phone you buy will be outdated in terms of current technology within 6 months. (Don't compare to other technology. Compare to apps you want to run. There are no foreseeable apps the thunderbolt can't run well)
Imho, dual core is currently just a gimmick to attract buyers and I don't think it will be necessary to own one for about 2 years.
I've used the attic, compared to thunderbolt you can't even notice a speed difference.
As for the usual bionic/thunderbolt debate. I believe the Ram is more important then dual core ATM. And if the bionic really only has 512, the thunderbolt will do perfectly fine stacked against it.
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the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, aka the same speed as 1ghz dual core
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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i've played with an Atrix before the TB came out. The dual core did nothing for it. My TB is noticeably faster than the Atrix was. Plus ATT 4G service is a joke.
As far as differences between 22 and 23, check this out:
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-android-2-2-froyo-and-android-2-3-gingerbread/
Probably not alot to to write home about, but i def like the gingerbread keyboard over the froyo keyboard.
Ive never seen a dual core referred to as the speed of the 2 cores added. Every dual core I've heard of refers to the speed of the individual processors. ie, all the new ones (tegra 2, exynos, evo 3d snapdragon) have 2 cores each at 1 ghz
Leading to the equation:
2 x 1 ghz cores != 1 x 2 ghz core != 2 x 500 mhz cores
You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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Lol, no he meant the quad cores processors coming out like the Tegra 3.
He said quad core not quadrant scores.
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You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
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Totally agree Roger. The real problem with dual core is Android software is not written to take full advantage of both cores. This was evident when I had a chance to play with my friends LG Optimus 2X. FPS was fantastic on nenamark averaging just below 80. All games in the Tegra zone played great. However, when it came to day to day stuff it lagged. For example, sometimes it took two swipes for the screen to register a touch. Web pages with heavy flash had awful load times.
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
and As for Quad Cores and Dual Cores, Im Loving the Battery life they are gonna bring to us. The Point isn't just performance but also low Energy Usage.
papi92 said:
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Win indeed sir. I'm a VZW employee and can upgrade every 9 months
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Can you imagine the epic tears that will flow for quad core battery issues?
... just sayin'
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
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And while applications might not be specifically written for dual core, the OS is. That alone provides some improvement.
But whatever. Our processor will be fine for quite some time.
And correct, a 1GHz dual core runs at 2x1GHz, not 2x500Mhz
Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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As for the OP, I don't think enough improvements from 2.2-2.3 are going to be done to make it the same as an optimized dual core. Also, I don't think stock HTC Sense 2.3 will have much of a visual difference than stock 2.2 Sense. Once the 2.3 update comes out, I'll probably still stick with a custom ROM that is 2.2 until the 2.3 custom ROM's come out.
What I hope that HTC fixes is the GPS issues. The "fix" that is in the development forum (turning off Google Location Services) has worked wonders for me, but I'm hoping HTC just fixes it in a firmware or software update sometime in the future.
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Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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Gb is reportedly hitting thunderbolt in q2!
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I was watching tonight's show and right before a commercial break Kimmel pops out with a 3D. Our phone seems to be getting a lot of notice.
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I was watching tonight's show and right before a commercial break Kimmel pops out with a 3D. Our phone seems to be getting a lot of notice.
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You know why? Cuz eve 3d is freaking cool that's why. No for real, I have been showcasing my 3vo to friends at work with them YouTube 3d feeds and they all were like WOW!!!!! I say that's right, meet my 3vo.
Awesome...I just saw EVO 3D on Late Night Show with Jimmy Fallon as well...
I have no idea why people were dogging this phone so bad before it was released. It has turned out to be a great smartphone so far how many others can say you have a 1.8ghz smartphone
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sn0b0ard said:
I have no idea why people were dogging this phone so bad before it was released. It has turned out to be a great smartphone so far how many others can say you have a 1.8ghz smartphone
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My evo 3d comes htc stock at 1.2 ghz. the chipset is stock 1.5. 1.8 is a nice way to kill the battery and not having a fan in there must be great too.... just sayin
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sn0b0ard said:
I have no idea why people were dogging this phone so bad before it was released. It has turned out to be a great smartphone so far how many others can say you have a 1.8ghz smartphone
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Cause people need something to ***** about...especially on this site LOL....its never ending it seems....OG EVO forums we're bad, but not this bad..this device should get this much attention...very cool
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Is this on YouTube yet, or can I view it on NBC's site? He's on NBC, right?
EDIT: Found him on ABC. Checking for the video.
EDIT: So I watched the entire show from last night, and did not see this. You were watching the episode from last night, or another day? Last night's episode had a bunch of promotion for the Cowboys & Aliens movie coming out tomorrow night.
Apologies to all, it was the Fallon show. Guess the old guy (me) had a senior moment and mixed up the names.
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Guess its a Late Night talk show host thing... I saw Craig Ferguson at The Grove a couple weeks ago and he was talkiing on an Evo 3D. Nice guy... Ive seen a couple live tapings for his show.
I don't need 1.8ghz. Mine runs 1.5ghz with setcpu throttling the phone when it needs to. Also, I undervolted my CPU when I overclocked to 1.5ghz, so the battery drain isn't a problem.
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issafram said:
My evo 3d comes htc stock at 1.2 ghz. the chipset is stock 1.5. 1.8 is a nice way to kill the battery and not having a fan in there must be great too.... just sayin
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well, not really.. you wont really kill the battery faster.. it depends on how you use the phone.... i am waiting till we can root the phone to mess with it, i havent even done the temp root..
but with the right kernel you can OC and undervolt.. giving you great battery life and you can tone it down when you dont need the extra boost.. most of the time i was running conservative with my OG Evo
and heat... this phone just like any other smart phone will get hot, people just need to pay attention to that and everything is golden.
Here is a link to a script that makes your phone smoother and less laggy. It works for all phones and is easy to install. Everything you need is here in this link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
Please tell others what settings worked best for you.
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This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Mrperf3ct said:
This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Thanks for letting me know
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I used to use this on my G2x, my quadrants and all benchmarks JUMPED with it, and worked REALLY well for it. But with the Amaze (I've already used it etc etc) I don't see any difference, the amaze's amount of ram is probably a big contributor to that fact but also probably the version of Android also, as my G2x was running 2.3.3....
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I used to use this on my G2x, my quadrants and all benchmarks JUMPED with it, and worked REALLY well for it. But with the Amaze (I've already used it etc etc) I don't see any difference, the amaze's amount of ram is probably a big contributor to that fact but also probably the version of Android also, as my G2x was running 2.3.3....
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It's the ram and the cpu the g2x is a 1Ghz dualcore we have 1.5Ghz dualcore the g2x only has a couple hundred MBs or ram amaze is 1GB... And that's why u see no improvement...
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It's the ram and the cpu the g2x is a 1Ghz dualcore we have 1.5Ghz dualcore the g2x only has a couple hundred MBs or ram amaze is 1GB... And that's why u see no improvement...
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I thought that's what I said.. hehehe probably not so much the CPU though as the script only modifies ram management.
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Mrperf3ct said:
This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
zeppelinrox said:
Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Whoa newer version then I have currently, thanks Zep. Hah I don't have that option.. haven't checked for a long while I guess. I'm gonna go try it, yay.
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Cool feel free to post your findings
zeppelinrox said:
Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Ay smart guy they don't have a full gig of ram... You will not see any difference in performance on this device and thats why the EVo 3D didn't waste their time on it...
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Doesn't matter.
"Gurus" always say the same thing... last time it was that it won't do anything on a device with 512MB of ram...
How much ram does a SGS II have, smart guy?
Actually, seems the specs are close to this device... so here you go...
Android Spin article... author is using the SGS II
http://androidspin.com/2011/11/02/v6-supercharger-the-android-memory-fixer/
Bookmark it so you can read it whenever your phone lags
It's nice to see that people still don't get the concept of "work smarter, not harder" because it makes it easier for those that do work smarter to get ahead.
My settings don't "stick" after a reboot, and the help file is blank, 0 bytes.
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Did you run the latest update 9 RC3.2?
If not, use that.
Pretty sure that problem doesn't happen anymore with the newest versions.
no, I was using version 8, but I'll give the new one a try. thanks for the reply
Ok cool... there are alot more options so if you're unsure about what an option does, just select it and it will give an explanation before it does anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxSwFv6GaU8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Nova3 is tearing, mc3 the same, gta3 with high details too.
What is wrong with this phone? I have stock ICS, did a wipe. Sd card class 10 sandisk mobile ultra. On gingerbread it was the same, even on roms with 1,8ghz OC.
On htc Sensation this game is fluid, so wtf?
Any help? Ppl say that on their evo there is no lag or tearing.
Oops, I never try any high quality 3D game on my androidphone. I only play the games like temple run doodle god etc. I dont care about game performance on cellphone because the size of screen is only 4.3......If I really want to play game, I will enjoy it with my xbox360 and 46``HDTV
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Alexsandra said:
Oops, I never try any high quality 3D game on my androidphone. I only play the games like temple run doodle god etc. I dont care about game performance on cellphone because the size of screen is only 4.3......If I really want to play game, I will enjoy it with my xbox360 and 46``HDTV
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Or with Xbox 360 with an 55' 3d smart tv
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i had GTA 3 on GB,ICS Sense 3.6 and ICS Sense 4.0.it was zero lag.like on a game console.
The thing that pissed me off is that ppl say there is no problem with MC3 and nova3. On my phone there are problems. So may it be that my phone has worse sillicon and drops framerate etc.
On console you dont have gyroscope, and i dont like console games. I like android ones.
Try chain fire 3D
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Do you use go locker?
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With the latest ICS the phone can barely manage 2000 quadrant, so top end games are always going to lag. Even temple run stops and starts and lags sometimes for me, not to mention the crappy crackling sound.
..forcing dual core and setting the governor to performance helps a bit, but it's still not up to par where an S3 should be.
But I know it's possible since on my GSM version when putting some of the old GB mui based roms on I could get 4000+ quadrants with a bit of overclocking and games ran noticeably better.
My guess is because the screen is 3D capable it's not as efficient as other phones even when running in 2D, so HTC throttled the crap out the cpu/gpu/mem-bandwidth to equalise the battery drain.
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Try chain fire 3D
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Good idea, but now I don't even have a root access. I'm tired of those things sometimes.
Sactum said:
Do you use go locker?
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nope.
meangreenie said:
With the latest ICS the phone can barely manage 2000 quadrant, so top end games are always going to lag. Even temple run stops and starts and lags sometimes for me, not to mention the crappy crackling sound.
..forcing dual core and setting the governor to performance helps a bit, but it's still not up to par where an S3 should be.
But I know it's possible since on my GSM version when putting some of the old GB mui based roms on I could get 4000+ quadrants with a bit of overclocking and games ran noticeably better.
My guess is because the screen is 3D capable it's not as efficient as other phones even when running in 2D, so HTC throttled the crap out the cpu/gpu/mem-bandwidth to equalise the battery drain.
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Some ppl complain at ICS performance in games. Benchmarks dont tell **** cause every phone has lower scores at ICS I think. Look at galaxy nexus.
With this screen thing its interesting, but for me either my phone is faulty, or there are some drivers issues. I have 5+5 mpix gsm version, so that maybe its worse or sth.
meangreenie said:
With the latest ICS the phone can barely manage 2000 quadrant, so top end games are always going to lag. Even temple run stops and starts and lags sometimes for me, not to mention the crappy crackling sound.
..forcing dual core and setting the governor to performance helps a bit, but it's still not up to par where an S3 should be.
But I know it's possible since on my GSM version when putting some of the old GB mui based roms on I could get 4000+ quadrants with a bit of overclocking and games ran better.
My guess is because the screen is 3D capable it's not as efficient as other phones even when running in 2D, so HTC throttled the crap out the cpu/gpu/mem-bandwidth to equalise the battery drain.
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Forcing dual core?how? Do you mean our dual core processers only work under one core?
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by default the way its supposed to work is, the first core is always on, running to run apps and system. The second core is supposed to kick in on demand. When what you are running demands more, the second core is supposed to kick in.
This worked well on GB roms because thats the way they wrote the code. It was designed that way.
On ICS roms, there are ways to turn on both cores. There is a patch. There are some apps. The best one I've found is system tuner pro. You can set it to turn on both cores on completed boot and they will always be on.
This kicks up the performance of the phone significantly. However, there goes your precious battery life.
The EVO 3D has a pretty powerful dual core processor. Without it, the 3D would be totally useless.
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Thanks for your explanation. But I am still confused about one thing. Do you mean the cellphone running ICS rom tuns on both of two cores when it completes boot? And no matter what I run, it always keep dual core running? If it was, the cellphone would spend more energy than GB rom.and generates more heat.....
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That all depends on what rom you are using. Some developers have init.d edited to where both cores are always on. Or they've applied the patch to do so. By default, ICS is supposed to do the same as GB where the first core is on and the second is supposed to kick in on demand. I just feel that GB did a better job at managing it this way.
Chad Goodman always recommended turning on both cores and leaving them on in ICS as you will always get the best performance possible. Personally I like the option to turn em on if I want to with system tuner pro or leave only the first core on to save on battery life.
Chad had a very good explanation of this - how it works - even how to edit the file yourself. I just did a search for it and it appears to be gone.
Here is some more info on this -- more technical:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1635676
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Iam now using official IC'S rom, GSM version. I don't know how HTC tweaks dual core......I think should test my cellphone first and see how many score I can get.
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But these games should work nice on stock. See the htc sensation which has the same hardware. Many ppl say it runs games much better than evo. Games that I play the most often are mc3, nova3, gta3. They should work nice on evo, as they run ok on single core phones.
First off I would like to say I love my DNA from a hardware point of view. Everything about this phone's hardware is awesome. Secondly I don't mind sense. The problem comes in when Verizon gets in involved. With this being a Verizon only device Verizon has almost complete control. I want an unlock able bootloader and SD card slot, Google wallet and the other features Verizon left out form the J Butterfly. Because of this I may, still a possibility, sell this phone for either the M7 or the Samsung s4 depending on their specs. The main reason is these phones will be multi carrier devices with much more likely hood to receive updates and dev... Otherwise the DNA would be a perfect phone.
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I'm kinda in the same boat. I'm really considering selling this and getting the moto x phone when it comes out.
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The X phone and the S4 sound tasty.
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The X phone and the S4 sound tasty.
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you guys are funny.
M7 99% isn't going to be unlockable on ATT or VZW without exploit. And if you import it, likely won't support all the bands we need.
Wanna place bets on the X phone being locked down?
Sorry verizon snuck into your home in the middle of the night and took away your sd card slot and google wallet. My phone happened to ship that way, so I don't mind as much.
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you guys are funny.
M7 99% isn't going to be unlockable on ATT or VZW without exploit. And if you import it, likely won't support all the bands we need.
Wanna place bets on the X phone being locked down?
Sorry verizon snuck into your home in the middle of the night and took away your sd card slot and google wallet. My phone happened to ship that way, so I don't mind as much.
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So I'm not allowed to upgrade to the newest thing according to you...
I was fully aware of the flaws of the DNA when I bought it and still love it, but I am also able to upgrade to a newer and better device when it comes out.
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So I'm not allowed to upgrade to the newest thing according to you...
I was fully aware of the flaws of the DNA when I bought it and still love it, but I am also able to upgrade to a newer and better device when it comes out.
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No, you're not allowed. you must continue to use the DNA
Seriously, though, being "locked down" is a pretty lame reason considering you'll likely still face that. And, if you don't switch carriers, you likely won't get wallet either.
And outside of probably having more storage, what do those phones have that the DNA doesn't? M7 is downgrade from DNA imo.
I cam from the Razr Maxx so this phone is amazing in comparsion. I do miss the battery life but i can still so far get through a day no problem. Now the storage is where i want to jump ship.
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No, you're not allowed. you must continue to use the DNA
Seriously, though, being "locked down" is a pretty lame reason considering you'll likely still face that. And, if you don't switch carriers, you likely won't get wallet either.
And outside of probably having more storage, what do those phones have that the DNA doesn't? M7 is downgrade from DNA imo.
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I don't want a m7. But even that will have a better camera and better screen, albeit slightly smaller.
But as far as the s4 and x phone. Better screen, better camera, better processor, better battery, and as you said, more storage.
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I don't want a m7. But even that will have a better camera and better screen, albeit slightly smaller.
But as far as the s4 and x phone. Better screen, better camera, better processor, better battery, and as you said, more storage.
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better screen, processor, and battery? Not arguing, but link me please. Didn't know better screens and processors existed yet.
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better screen, processor, and battery? Not arguing, but link me please. Didn't know better screens and processors existed yet.
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Well there are solux screens, which the m7 is supposed to have, and will become standard soon.
The s4 should come with their octa core processor, and the x phone will likely have one if the next gen processors announced last month at ces.
I don't feel like finding links for all of that, but a quick Google search will give you all the info on those things.
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Well there are solux screens, which the m7 is supposed to have, and will become standard soon.
The s4 should come with their octa core processor, and the x phone will likely have one if the next gen processors announced last month at ces.
I don't feel like finding links for all of that, but a quick Google search will give you all the info on those things.
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I think solux is just more marketing nonsense. Anyhow, 4.7" screen I'd actually prefer. I am keeping my eyes out for that one. I miss the size of my oneX
Bigandrewgold said:
Well there are solux screens, which the m7 is supposed to have, and will become standard soon.
The s4 should come with their octa core processor, and the x phone will likely have one if the next gen processors announced last month at ces.
I don't feel like finding links for all of that, but a quick Google search will give you all the info on those things.
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The octa core processor is going to be useless. The industry hasnt even fully embraced quad core yet. Octa core is going to be a waste of battery and is just there for bragging rights.
Give me one reason why you need one in a phone being made RIGHT now. There isnt any logical reason unless you think benchmarks mean everything.
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croppz said:
The octa core processor is going to be useless. The industry hasnt even fully embraced quad core yet. Octa core is going to be a waste of battery and is just there for bragging rights.
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No, how it works is that there are 4 super powerful cores and 4 low power cores. When it is not under stress it uses the low power cores but when it needs power it goes to the powerful cores. It actually offers up to 70% savings on batteries.
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No, how it works is that there are 4 super powerful cores and 4 low power cores. When it is not under stress it uses the low power cores but when it needs power it goes to the powerful cores. It actually offers up to 70% savings on batteries.
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Not sure how a cpu offers 70% battery savings when it never is responsible for 70% of the total battery usage in the first place.
Reminds me of the stuff intel says.
I suppose time will tell.
At any rate, my initial retort was for the op. "no wallet", "no unlock", etc.
beaups said:
Not sure how a cpu offers 70% battery savings when it never is responsible for 70% of the total battery usage in the first place.
Reminds me of the stuff intel says.
I suppose time will tell.
At any rate, my initial retort was for the op. "no wallet", "no unlock", etc.
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70% less battery consumption by the cpu. Not total battery life.
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70% less battery consumption by the cpu. Not total battery life.
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Ah, I made the mistake of reading the words you typed should be an exciting year for phones.
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No, how it works is that there are 4 super powerful cores and 4 low power cores. When it is not under stress it uses the low power cores but when it needs power it goes to the powerful cores. It actually offers up to 70% savings on batteries.
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I don't think a octa core processor is going to be much useful. Most apps don't even use the quad cores on the newer phones. As for 70% less battery usage, we'll see about that haha...
The only problem i foresee having with the DNA is the 5'' screen...My hands aren't that big, and a 4.7'' would be nicer to have. I hope the M7 is awesome, and gets good development soon. CM mod + awesome phone = happy me
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I don't think a octa core processor is going to be much useful. Most apps don't even use the quad cores on the newer phones. As for 70% less battery usage, we'll see about that haha...
The only problem i foresee having with the DNA is the 5'' screen...My hands aren't that big, and a 4.7'' would be nicer to have. I hope the M7 is awesome, and gets good development soon. CM mod + awesome phone = happy me
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Again, its not 8 core in the fact that 8 full power cores are running, there are 4 high power/performance cores to do intensive tasks, then there are 4 low power cores which save lots of energy compared to current quad core processors. These 4 cores are what are used most of the time, they will handle simple tasks. Here's a good quote.
"Something like mapping data would be handled by the "little" processor, while graphic-intensive gaming would switch over to the "big" guys."
So what this means for the end user is higher performance for tasks that need it, but overall lower power consumption and better battery life. That isn't propaganda or a guess, it is a fact.
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So what this means for the end user is higher performance for tasks that need it, but overall lower power consumption and better battery life. That isn't propaganda or a guess, it is a fact.
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This is going to be a complicated configuration, will be interesting to see how it performs when it's released. I can only imagine the mpdecision and governor complications when we start introducing switching from slower processors to faster processors mid thread.
The reality is, when I use applications like "maps", most of the time 3 of the 4 cores are totally offline, and the core in use is ramping as needed. I can't yet dispute the benefits of running said application on a slower CPU, but it seems pretty counter-intuitive to the "go fast and sleep" mentality that has been a pillar behind cpu power improvements for years and years.
Time will tell.
One thing is for sure, we can hardly state "facts" when the item doesn't even exist yet. Until then, it absolutely is "speculation" and/or "a guess".
I'm not sure where everyone is hearing that Verizon is getting the M7 on launch. Last I heard, this is T-Mobile, AT&T, and Sprint on launch.