First off I would like to say I love my DNA from a hardware point of view. Everything about this phone's hardware is awesome. Secondly I don't mind sense. The problem comes in when Verizon gets in involved. With this being a Verizon only device Verizon has almost complete control. I want an unlock able bootloader and SD card slot, Google wallet and the other features Verizon left out form the J Butterfly. Because of this I may, still a possibility, sell this phone for either the M7 or the Samsung s4 depending on their specs. The main reason is these phones will be multi carrier devices with much more likely hood to receive updates and dev... Otherwise the DNA would be a perfect phone.
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I'm kinda in the same boat. I'm really considering selling this and getting the moto x phone when it comes out.
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The X phone and the S4 sound tasty.
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The X phone and the S4 sound tasty.
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you guys are funny.
M7 99% isn't going to be unlockable on ATT or VZW without exploit. And if you import it, likely won't support all the bands we need.
Wanna place bets on the X phone being locked down?
Sorry verizon snuck into your home in the middle of the night and took away your sd card slot and google wallet. My phone happened to ship that way, so I don't mind as much.
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you guys are funny.
M7 99% isn't going to be unlockable on ATT or VZW without exploit. And if you import it, likely won't support all the bands we need.
Wanna place bets on the X phone being locked down?
Sorry verizon snuck into your home in the middle of the night and took away your sd card slot and google wallet. My phone happened to ship that way, so I don't mind as much.
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So I'm not allowed to upgrade to the newest thing according to you...
I was fully aware of the flaws of the DNA when I bought it and still love it, but I am also able to upgrade to a newer and better device when it comes out.
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So I'm not allowed to upgrade to the newest thing according to you...
I was fully aware of the flaws of the DNA when I bought it and still love it, but I am also able to upgrade to a newer and better device when it comes out.
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No, you're not allowed. you must continue to use the DNA
Seriously, though, being "locked down" is a pretty lame reason considering you'll likely still face that. And, if you don't switch carriers, you likely won't get wallet either.
And outside of probably having more storage, what do those phones have that the DNA doesn't? M7 is downgrade from DNA imo.
I cam from the Razr Maxx so this phone is amazing in comparsion. I do miss the battery life but i can still so far get through a day no problem. Now the storage is where i want to jump ship.
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No, you're not allowed. you must continue to use the DNA
Seriously, though, being "locked down" is a pretty lame reason considering you'll likely still face that. And, if you don't switch carriers, you likely won't get wallet either.
And outside of probably having more storage, what do those phones have that the DNA doesn't? M7 is downgrade from DNA imo.
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I don't want a m7. But even that will have a better camera and better screen, albeit slightly smaller.
But as far as the s4 and x phone. Better screen, better camera, better processor, better battery, and as you said, more storage.
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I don't want a m7. But even that will have a better camera and better screen, albeit slightly smaller.
But as far as the s4 and x phone. Better screen, better camera, better processor, better battery, and as you said, more storage.
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better screen, processor, and battery? Not arguing, but link me please. Didn't know better screens and processors existed yet.
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better screen, processor, and battery? Not arguing, but link me please. Didn't know better screens and processors existed yet.
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Well there are solux screens, which the m7 is supposed to have, and will become standard soon.
The s4 should come with their octa core processor, and the x phone will likely have one if the next gen processors announced last month at ces.
I don't feel like finding links for all of that, but a quick Google search will give you all the info on those things.
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Well there are solux screens, which the m7 is supposed to have, and will become standard soon.
The s4 should come with their octa core processor, and the x phone will likely have one if the next gen processors announced last month at ces.
I don't feel like finding links for all of that, but a quick Google search will give you all the info on those things.
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I think solux is just more marketing nonsense. Anyhow, 4.7" screen I'd actually prefer. I am keeping my eyes out for that one. I miss the size of my oneX
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Well there are solux screens, which the m7 is supposed to have, and will become standard soon.
The s4 should come with their octa core processor, and the x phone will likely have one if the next gen processors announced last month at ces.
I don't feel like finding links for all of that, but a quick Google search will give you all the info on those things.
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The octa core processor is going to be useless. The industry hasnt even fully embraced quad core yet. Octa core is going to be a waste of battery and is just there for bragging rights.
Give me one reason why you need one in a phone being made RIGHT now. There isnt any logical reason unless you think benchmarks mean everything.
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The octa core processor is going to be useless. The industry hasnt even fully embraced quad core yet. Octa core is going to be a waste of battery and is just there for bragging rights.
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No, how it works is that there are 4 super powerful cores and 4 low power cores. When it is not under stress it uses the low power cores but when it needs power it goes to the powerful cores. It actually offers up to 70% savings on batteries.
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No, how it works is that there are 4 super powerful cores and 4 low power cores. When it is not under stress it uses the low power cores but when it needs power it goes to the powerful cores. It actually offers up to 70% savings on batteries.
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Not sure how a cpu offers 70% battery savings when it never is responsible for 70% of the total battery usage in the first place.
Reminds me of the stuff intel says.
I suppose time will tell.
At any rate, my initial retort was for the op. "no wallet", "no unlock", etc.
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Not sure how a cpu offers 70% battery savings when it never is responsible for 70% of the total battery usage in the first place.
Reminds me of the stuff intel says.
I suppose time will tell.
At any rate, my initial retort was for the op. "no wallet", "no unlock", etc.
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70% less battery consumption by the cpu. Not total battery life.
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70% less battery consumption by the cpu. Not total battery life.
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Ah, I made the mistake of reading the words you typed should be an exciting year for phones.
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No, how it works is that there are 4 super powerful cores and 4 low power cores. When it is not under stress it uses the low power cores but when it needs power it goes to the powerful cores. It actually offers up to 70% savings on batteries.
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I don't think a octa core processor is going to be much useful. Most apps don't even use the quad cores on the newer phones. As for 70% less battery usage, we'll see about that haha...
The only problem i foresee having with the DNA is the 5'' screen...My hands aren't that big, and a 4.7'' would be nicer to have. I hope the M7 is awesome, and gets good development soon. CM mod + awesome phone = happy me
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I don't think a octa core processor is going to be much useful. Most apps don't even use the quad cores on the newer phones. As for 70% less battery usage, we'll see about that haha...
The only problem i foresee having with the DNA is the 5'' screen...My hands aren't that big, and a 4.7'' would be nicer to have. I hope the M7 is awesome, and gets good development soon. CM mod + awesome phone = happy me
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Again, its not 8 core in the fact that 8 full power cores are running, there are 4 high power/performance cores to do intensive tasks, then there are 4 low power cores which save lots of energy compared to current quad core processors. These 4 cores are what are used most of the time, they will handle simple tasks. Here's a good quote.
"Something like mapping data would be handled by the "little" processor, while graphic-intensive gaming would switch over to the "big" guys."
So what this means for the end user is higher performance for tasks that need it, but overall lower power consumption and better battery life. That isn't propaganda or a guess, it is a fact.
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So what this means for the end user is higher performance for tasks that need it, but overall lower power consumption and better battery life. That isn't propaganda or a guess, it is a fact.
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This is going to be a complicated configuration, will be interesting to see how it performs when it's released. I can only imagine the mpdecision and governor complications when we start introducing switching from slower processors to faster processors mid thread.
The reality is, when I use applications like "maps", most of the time 3 of the 4 cores are totally offline, and the core in use is ramping as needed. I can't yet dispute the benefits of running said application on a slower CPU, but it seems pretty counter-intuitive to the "go fast and sleep" mentality that has been a pillar behind cpu power improvements for years and years.
Time will tell.
One thing is for sure, we can hardly state "facts" when the item doesn't even exist yet. Until then, it absolutely is "speculation" and/or "a guess".
I'm not sure where everyone is hearing that Verizon is getting the M7 on launch. Last I heard, this is T-Mobile, AT&T, and Sprint on launch.
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I am not familiar with android os, so i wanted to ask people who have some knowledge behind it a question.
What do you see improving with the thunderbolt when gingerbread gets released?
Do you think the thunderbolt will be able to improve its chances to still stand out against the dual-core phones with the help of 2.3?
I love my thunderbolt, it is my very first Android OS device and i am glad to be an early adopter of the 4g LTE network, i do personally feel that i put myself in a rough position because i chose a phone with a single core. Should i feel this way?
Thanks XDA, i've spent so many hours learning about phones in general on this board. it is my new home!
No, single core is great.
1. Apps must be written to utilize dual core (the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, which is much faster than needed)
2. Any phone you buy will be outdated in terms of current technology within 6 months. (Don't compare to other technology. Compare to apps you want to run. There are no foreseeable apps the thunderbolt can't run well)
Imho, dual core is currently just a gimmick to attract buyers and I don't think it will be necessary to own one for about 2 years.
I've used the attic, compared to thunderbolt you can't even notice a speed difference.
As for the usual bionic/thunderbolt debate. I believe the Ram is more important then dual core ATM. And if the bionic really only has 512, the thunderbolt will do perfectly fine stacked against it.
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the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, aka the same speed as 1ghz dual core
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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i've played with an Atrix before the TB came out. The dual core did nothing for it. My TB is noticeably faster than the Atrix was. Plus ATT 4G service is a joke.
As far as differences between 22 and 23, check this out:
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-android-2-2-froyo-and-android-2-3-gingerbread/
Probably not alot to to write home about, but i def like the gingerbread keyboard over the froyo keyboard.
Ive never seen a dual core referred to as the speed of the 2 cores added. Every dual core I've heard of refers to the speed of the individual processors. ie, all the new ones (tegra 2, exynos, evo 3d snapdragon) have 2 cores each at 1 ghz
Leading to the equation:
2 x 1 ghz cores != 1 x 2 ghz core != 2 x 500 mhz cores
You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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miketoasty said:
Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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Lol, no he meant the quad cores processors coming out like the Tegra 3.
He said quad core not quadrant scores.
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You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
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Totally agree Roger. The real problem with dual core is Android software is not written to take full advantage of both cores. This was evident when I had a chance to play with my friends LG Optimus 2X. FPS was fantastic on nenamark averaging just below 80. All games in the Tegra zone played great. However, when it came to day to day stuff it lagged. For example, sometimes it took two swipes for the screen to register a touch. Web pages with heavy flash had awful load times.
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
and As for Quad Cores and Dual Cores, Im Loving the Battery life they are gonna bring to us. The Point isn't just performance but also low Energy Usage.
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I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Win indeed sir. I'm a VZW employee and can upgrade every 9 months
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Can you imagine the epic tears that will flow for quad core battery issues?
... just sayin'
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
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+1
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And while applications might not be specifically written for dual core, the OS is. That alone provides some improvement.
But whatever. Our processor will be fine for quite some time.
And correct, a 1GHz dual core runs at 2x1GHz, not 2x500Mhz
Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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As for the OP, I don't think enough improvements from 2.2-2.3 are going to be done to make it the same as an optimized dual core. Also, I don't think stock HTC Sense 2.3 will have much of a visual difference than stock 2.2 Sense. Once the 2.3 update comes out, I'll probably still stick with a custom ROM that is 2.2 until the 2.3 custom ROM's come out.
What I hope that HTC fixes is the GPS issues. The "fix" that is in the development forum (turning off Google Location Services) has worked wonders for me, but I'm hoping HTC just fixes it in a firmware or software update sometime in the future.
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Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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Gb is reportedly hitting thunderbolt in q2!
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Here is a link to a script that makes your phone smoother and less laggy. It works for all phones and is easy to install. Everything you need is here in this link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
Please tell others what settings worked best for you.
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This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Mrperf3ct said:
This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Thanks for letting me know
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I used to use this on my G2x, my quadrants and all benchmarks JUMPED with it, and worked REALLY well for it. But with the Amaze (I've already used it etc etc) I don't see any difference, the amaze's amount of ram is probably a big contributor to that fact but also probably the version of Android also, as my G2x was running 2.3.3....
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I used to use this on my G2x, my quadrants and all benchmarks JUMPED with it, and worked REALLY well for it. But with the Amaze (I've already used it etc etc) I don't see any difference, the amaze's amount of ram is probably a big contributor to that fact but also probably the version of Android also, as my G2x was running 2.3.3....
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It's the ram and the cpu the g2x is a 1Ghz dualcore we have 1.5Ghz dualcore the g2x only has a couple hundred MBs or ram amaze is 1GB... And that's why u see no improvement...
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It's the ram and the cpu the g2x is a 1Ghz dualcore we have 1.5Ghz dualcore the g2x only has a couple hundred MBs or ram amaze is 1GB... And that's why u see no improvement...
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I thought that's what I said.. hehehe probably not so much the CPU though as the script only modifies ram management.
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Mrperf3ct said:
This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Whoa newer version then I have currently, thanks Zep. Hah I don't have that option.. haven't checked for a long while I guess. I'm gonna go try it, yay.
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Cool feel free to post your findings
zeppelinrox said:
Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Ay smart guy they don't have a full gig of ram... You will not see any difference in performance on this device and thats why the EVo 3D didn't waste their time on it...
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Doesn't matter.
"Gurus" always say the same thing... last time it was that it won't do anything on a device with 512MB of ram...
How much ram does a SGS II have, smart guy?
Actually, seems the specs are close to this device... so here you go...
Android Spin article... author is using the SGS II
http://androidspin.com/2011/11/02/v6-supercharger-the-android-memory-fixer/
Bookmark it so you can read it whenever your phone lags
It's nice to see that people still don't get the concept of "work smarter, not harder" because it makes it easier for those that do work smarter to get ahead.
My settings don't "stick" after a reboot, and the help file is blank, 0 bytes.
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Did you run the latest update 9 RC3.2?
If not, use that.
Pretty sure that problem doesn't happen anymore with the newest versions.
no, I was using version 8, but I'll give the new one a try. thanks for the reply
Ok cool... there are alot more options so if you're unsure about what an option does, just select it and it will give an explanation before it does anything.
As i own a HOX I thought might as well try the "corecontrol" app from the hox sub forum and so far it seems to work well. One thing I noticed is that when I booted the app it said only one core was active. Easily fixed it by activating the 4 core. Anyways hopefully we can get a real port of this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26050801
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Wow, that app looks awesome, thanks for posting! BTW, how do you like your HOX? I am considering the snapdragon version.
David Dee said:
Wow, that app looks awesome, thanks for posting! BTW, how do you like your HOX? I am considering the snapdragon version.
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I love it I have the international One with the Tegra 3! Be careful about the build quality though. Buy it locally o if you have any problems with it just get a quick exchange. My first and only one X has been perfect from day one but on the forums there has been quite a few complaints. My favorite part is the screen because it's so crisp nd realistic! The camera is fantastic and the battery life seems to get better over time. I ended up buying a small external battery for $30 bucks which gives it one full charge, so I'm not complaining. Sense ui is nice but I like to switch between aosp roms and sense roms regularly. Sense roms are much better from my experience. It's a nice device beside my Transormer Pad 300t.
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So how many cores should we run? Does anyone want to share there battery profiles? ...thanks for any advice!
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The one core running is the "5th" core that is used for lower intensity tasks like browsing and what not. Supposed to preserve battery. Once you start something more intense all 4 kick on. At least that is how it is supposed to work. I don't know how well oems have been able to optimize this chip, seems most devices on tegra 3 have some..uh.. quirks.
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ryzilla23 said:
The one core running is the "5th" core that is used for lower intensity tasks like browsing and what not. Supposed to preserve battery. Once you start something more intense all 4 kick on. At least that is how it is supposed to work. I don't know how well oems have been able to optimize this chip, seems most devices on tegra 3 have some..uh.. quirks.
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That would be impossible because the Android system can't see or control the companion core. It kicks in when the device is in deep sleep.
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To bad my pad never enter deep sleep then. 45 hours ATM with no deep sleep reported in CPUSpy
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/15/benchmarks-lg-nexus-4-vs-htc-droid-dna/
Anyone else surprised? I thought the difference would be minimal, but the Nexus would be a bit faster due to the smaller resolution and being stock android.
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/15/benchmarks-lg-nexus-4-vs-htc-droid-dna/
Anyone else surprised? I thought the difference would be minimal, but the Nexus would be a bit faster due to the smaller resolution and being stock android.
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Wow I thought the n4 would have gotten better. Seems like a smoother device but wow. Good job HTC!
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Nexus 4 has some crazy thermal throttling oddity I thought I read...could be why.
Maybe the DNA's ram is faster? Otherwise, it should be the same exact hardware going in, performance wise (and rom, but I didn't think the rom speed would affect a benchmark).
EDIT: Or it's probably the throttling if that's true...
is there enough differences in 4.1 and 4.2 to where the benchmarks dont take that into account?
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is there enough differences in 4.1 and 4.2 to where the benchmarks dont take that into account?
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I'd say thats doubtful, the OS was not overhauled by any means. It was basically a security patch with a few framework modifications.
htc is really workin hard to make a comeback
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I'd say thats doubtful, the OS was not overhauled by any means. It was basically a security patch with a few framework modifications.
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i thought as much, but i just wanted to play devil's advocate
Does the nexus 4 have 2gb of ram? Because that could explain the difference in scores. I've always been an HTC guy, but honestly, quadrants don't and never will matter. The only way to see how a device really performs is to use it yourself.
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I think the HTD DNA has beefed up graphics to handle that large screen, I'll bet that is a part of the difference ...
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I think the HTD DNA has beefed up graphics to handle that large screen, I'll bet that is a part of the difference ...
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The adreno GPU is a beast without a doubt
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Does the nexus 4 have 2gb of ram? Because that could explain the difference in scores. I've always been an HTC guy, but honestly, quadrants don't and never will matter. The only way to see how a device really performs is to use it yourself.
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Yep 2gb of ram for the Nexus
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I think the HTD DNA has beefed up graphics to handle that large screen, I'll bet that is a part of the difference ...
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Nope, they both have the adreno 320. It is a new beefed up gpu though - twice as fast as the adreno 225 in the GS3 and other dual core s4 processor phones.
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Does the nexus 4 have 2gb of ram? Because that could explain the difference in scores. I've always been an HTC guy, but honestly, quadrants don't and never will matter. The only way to see how a device really performs is to use it yourself.
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They both have 2GB but might not be the same speed - and speed matters more at this point.
Nexus 4 has always benchmarked lower for some reason, it is essentially the same hardware that's inside the optimus G, since the only difference is the O.S may be it is taxing the system a lot more than 4.1, it might not look like much but there is significant difference when it comes to framework on the 4.2, may be it is taxing the system more in the background then 4.1
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They both have 2GB but might not be the same speed - and speed matters more at this point.
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The reason the Nexus 4 scores lower is because it features thermal throttling which reduced the CPU speed when it reaches a certain temperature to maintain battery efficiency. Stick it in a freezer and the benchmark numbers increase. http://androidandme.com/2012/11/sma...hmark-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-418705
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The reason the Nexus 4 scores lower is because it features thermal throttling which reduced the CPU speed when it reaches a certain temperature to maintain battery efficiency. Stick it in a freezer and the benchmark numbers increase. http://androidandme.com/2012/11/sma...hmark-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-418705
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Yep. This is the reason. It has been stated on Anandtech. It makes perfect sense. It's all related to both phones using different kernels.
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The reason the Nexus 4 scores lower is because it features thermal throttling which reduced the CPU speed when it reaches a certain temperature to maintain battery efficiency. Stick it in a freezer and the benchmark numbers increase. http://androidandme.com/2012/11/sma...hmark-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-418705
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Is it a feature, or a problem? It's possible the processor is more easily overheating in the Nexus 4 from it's position or something. From the sound of things, the DNA will get as good as or better battery life with 4G off.
It's also possible the software is cutting it off way too early. I once had an Asus gaming laptop that needed a bios update because it throttled the gpu down after it got half the temperature that gpu could take.
HTC always has crazy high benchmarks. It obviously means nothing in day to day performance. My one x scored more than twice as high as my galaxy nexus but the nexus usability wise was smoother.
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The Note 3 was launched today,
and confirmed 4.3 on it.
4.3 will come to other devices this October.
Hopefully this helps with the bootlader exploit.
JaeKay said:
Hopefully this helps with the bootlader exploit.
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Probably the opposite - it'll be locked down tighter.
Noremacam said:
Probably the opposite - it'll be locked down tighter.
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Well i hear it's kinda different with 4.3. Like rooting and stuff. So hopefully, stuff changes
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Fat chance of any opportunities to unlock. We can always hope.
Cant wait for the note 3, the hands one video looks killer.
I just worried the battery life might be worse than the note 2. Bigger screen higher resolution but almost the same battery..
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Maybe we'll get a Verizon pre-release leak of it which will also have an unlocked bootloader...
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Did anyone see a Dev edition note 3 announcement yet? Needs it & Wants it.
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Dubbsy said:
Did anyone see a Dev edition note 3 announcement yet? Needs it & Wants it.
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Ditto
Something new to dream for.
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Well i hear it's kinda different with 4.3. Like rooting and stuff. So hopefully, stuff changes
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i'm on the s3 and running slimbean which is on android 4.3. you have to go to the developer option then enable ADB + ROOT APPS, or something of that nature, to install supersu. just fyi
speaking of 4.3, what do you guys think is meant by "lower latancy in input for gamepad buttons and joysticks" means?
It is mentioned in this droid life article.
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/24/a-look-at-whats-new-in-android-4-3/
It also has other 4.3 features to (hopefully) look forward to
I will stay on ME7 and have update apks frozen with TB. I like using Flash and 4.3 is not too Flash friendly. 4.2 is better with Flash. ME7 works great, good battery life and amazing low battery bleed in sleep mode. This may have more to do with resource hungry stock apps being frozen, but still completely happy with ME7. No desire to rock an already fine boat, IMO.
Most likely to the international version in October. And months later in the US.
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I just worried the battery life might be worse than the note 2. Bigger screen higher resolution but almost the same battery..
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I'm not clear on what you mean by this. Are you saying the Note 2 had bad battery life to begin with or that a similar size with higher specs all around might make it less enduring? I'm assuming you mean the latter since in my experience the N2 had the best battery life out of any phone I've had.
In any event I think that even though battery tech isn't advancing at near the rate that the other hardware is (meaning typically bigger batteries, not better), I believe that it is advancing to some degree and that the software itself is being tailored towards improved longevity. Each iteration of Android has yielded improved battery life and I've read here and there that 4.3 has some optimization software-wise that improves on battery life.
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zerofighter1 said:
I'm not clear on what you mean by this. Are you saying the Note 2 had bad battery life to begin with or that a similar size with higher specs all around might make it less enduring? I'm assuming you mean the latter since in my experience the N2 had the best battery life out of any phone I've had.
In any event I think that even though battery tech isn't advancing at near the rate that the other hardware is (meaning typically bigger batteries, not better), I believe that it is advancing to some degree and that the software itself is being tailored towards improved longevity. Each iteration of Android has yielded improved battery life and I've read here and there that 4.3 has some optimization software-wise that improves on battery life.
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I think hes worried going from 720p to 1080p without much of change to the battery
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I think hes worried going from 720p to 1080p without much of change to the battery
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yea, i know note 2 had a great battery life, and im just afraid that with only a 100 mah boost, it might be slightly worse with the bumped up resolution and specs
Be aware, typically the Verizon release will trail 3-6 months of the international release. Not always, but almost always...
Why would they even bother getting 4.3 on it? Why not put any and all resources to getting 4.4 on the S4 since it is the flagship right now?
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Why would they even bother getting 4.3 on it? Why not put any and all resources to getting 4.4 on the S4 since it is the flagship right now?
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Uh because 4.4 hasn't come out yet. The only thing we know is the name. There's no release date or anything else. That's why.
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