Hi guys I'm fairly new to the android hacking scene and am also one of the lucky guys who decided to flash GingerBread to his phone before everyone started posting about changes to the bootloader and now about fuses being burned.
Would anyone care to explain why an OTA update would burn a fuse like this? Is this some sort of software protection? Is there actual damage to the phone? Why would Motorola publish an update that does this? Please excuse my ignorance but I'm definitely confused about why they would do something that might lead to more returned devices.
Thanks much in advance.
Chad
nineismine said:
Hi guys I'm fairly new to the android hacking scene and am also one of the lucky guys who decided to flash GingerBread to his phone before everyone started posting about changes to the bootloader and now about fuses being burned.
Would anyone care to explain why an OTA update would burn a fuse like this? Is this some sort of software protection? Is there actual damage to the phone? Why would Motorola publish an update that does this? Please excuse my ignorance but I'm definitely confused about why they would do something that might lead to more returned devices.
Thanks much in advance.
Chad
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The OTA did not burn a fuse. Unlocking the bootloader burns the fuse, which is a hardware bootloader lock (unlocking the bootloader burns a fuse. Once unlocked, always unlocked). The new OTA GB upgrade puts a different bootloader on your phone making it nearly impossible to flash back to an earlier version. If you try to RSD back to 4.1.83 for example, you will have a nice paperweight afterwards. Motorola removed the ability to unlock the bootloader from the upgrade which was just released for reasons unto themselves. Many of us have unlocked bootloaders thanks to the devs, and are on a version of GB which we can flash back from if we want.
If you are not too worried about modding, and are happy with a stock phone, i.e. stock GB which Moto released, you have nothing to worry about. Just continue to update when they release OTA updates and you will be fine.
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I've been searching and searching and can't find anything where this question is really touched on, at least not from Google.
Basically the thing I'm looking at is this. I come from a Droid X which had and still has a locked bootloader. I was always under the impression that this means two things:
1) MUST use signed updates
2) Cannot use custom kernels
And based on those two things my understanding was that you can theme and modify some small framework and /system stuff, but could never truly update the phone like you could with an unlocked bootloader.
This is where I'm confused. So we have unlocked bootloaders on our Thunderbolts which allows us to flash unsigned zips. Cool. But how does this affect future versions of Android? Like our current Gingerbread roms, aren't they based off of a leaked RUU? What would happen if let's say, Gingerbread is the final OS Upgrade we get from Verizon. How will the next major update to Android be loaded to us?
Do the developers have the ability to port new versions of Android without these leaked OTA's? Or do we rely on the OTA's that include new Android OS versions to progress? Thanks
When Verizon sends out updates our Devs can take them and edit them to work with rooted users. Thats why you will see things come from (I think his name is football) who gives us the updates from Verizon and then our Devs modify them to keep our root privileges. If you are rooted on a custom ROM tho you wont receive OTA.
Thank you for the response. I understand that part, but really what I'm trying to find out is:
Thunderbolt is on Froyo -> Verizon WILL update us to Gingerbread via OTA
Had Verizon NOT updated us to Gingerbread, would devs be able to take us there thanks to an unlocked bootloader? Or would the phone forever be doomed to use Froyo?
Take that principle and apply it to whatever comes after Gingerbread, because I'm pretty sure 2.3 will be the last major OS update this phone gets officially.
i cant give you a sure answer but BAMF has made sense 3.0 work on our phones and that is never releasing as an OTA i would assume if the next version of android comes to any 1ghz phones or well any htc phones someone will find a way just allot more work and more time.
Well thats basically all I needed to know. As long as we have an unlocked bootloader and a dev community willing to work on it, people can basically port any new versions of the OS even from other phone updates.
I just fear the idea of EOL and no more future OS updates.
Good way to answer your question is to take a look at the d1 and even the eris. They are both eol yet i know for sure the d1 has gingerbread, and i believe the eris does also.
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Can anyone tells me about the advantages and disadvantages of unlocking bootloader? because i saw some people said that they regret unlocking it. So whats the point of unlocking it? thanks for anyone who willing to explain.
I'm just an user but from what information i got so far (pardon me if anything is innacurate):
Unlocking the bootloader may open up a series of improvements that were not possible before without workarounds, like having a proper custom kernel, a proper Cyanogenmod version etc. Maybe even real multitouch or 16 million colors are possible, but this is a bit harder since someone will need to write new drivers, and it's highly unlikely this will happen but... who knows?
But to take advantage of unlocked bootloader you need to DEVELOP for it first, for now it's like having root enabled without any root app available for it. Also, bricking the x10 was impossible, you could always go to flashtools and reflash your firmware and fix it if you screw up, but with unlocked bootloader there's a chance of actually brick it for real, so you must be extra careful.
Some people are so eager to have the latest novelty that they'll do it first and think about it later. But it's a positive advancement for sure, i'll be lurking the dev threads to keep up with the news.
Hi Everyone!
Just want to start off by saying I’m new to the Atrix, but not new to the forums or android itself. I’ve rooted and flashed ROMs and kernels on other devices for myself and others, but the Atrix seems different from all those, so I have a few questions that I couldn’t find definitive answers to (and yes, I know where the search button is).
First off “unlocking” the phone seems to be more of a risk than I am willing to take, considering I’m doing this for a friend.
So I realize I won’t be a able to flash custom ROM’s, but what can I do after rooting?
Can I even get CWM?
Can I flash a kernel that lets me overclock?
Can I do OTA updates? (I hear ICS is coming to the Atrix soon, which is why I’m not worried about custom ROMs at the moment)
Once I OTA update to gingerbread will I be able to unlock the phone down the line?
Also what are some other things you guys say are a "must do" for this phone?
I know I’m asking a lot of questions, but any help would be greatly appreciated (and yes, I know where the thanks button is too)
You can unlock up to and including GB 2.3.6. How do I know cuz I did it myself.
Second you are very limited on what you can do until you do in fact unlock your bootloader. CWM can only be installed after your BL is unlocked.
Finally there's a few YouTube videos that show you step-by-step instructions on how to do this (even on GB) so it's really not that bad. Just watch them a couple of times, go slow, and most of all make sure your phones battery is charged. In the end once you unlock, you'll be glad you did...
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Thanks for your answer, you've convince me to unlock it, but I have one more question.
Since my friend bought the phone new off amazon very recently is there a chance that unlocking the bootloader will be blocked, which I've seen other users saying.
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Thanks for your answer, you've convince me to unlock it, but I have one more question.
Since my friend bought the phone new off amazon very recently is there a chance that unlocking the bootloader will be blocked, which I've seen other users saying.
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No, use the following link to unlock the bootloader.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...r UNLOCK/ROOT for AT&T 1.26/1.57/1.83/4.5.91 [UPDATE%2007/31/11]
Follow everything the command say. Make sure at no point do you take the cable out, if you are asked at any point to select a command on the phone but it does not let you just carry on with the process. It worked for me. Mine was locked to Gingerbread 2.3.6 build 4.5.141
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No, use the following link to unlock the bootloader.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...r UNLOCK/ROOT for AT&T 1.26/1.57/1.83/4.5.91 [UPDATE%2007/31/11]
Follow everything the command say. Make sure at no point do you take the cable out, if you are asked at any point to select a command on the phone but it does not let you just carry on with the process. It worked for me. Mine was locked to Gingerbread 2.3.6 build 4.5.141
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+1 on unlocking usa att 2.3.6 4.5.141 with that program
MB860, CM7.2.0, Faux 026b1 1Ghz
One thing to consider though is that you´ll probably void the warranty. That would be the case in Brazil. IMHO, the benefits of rooting/unlocking far outweighs the loss of warranty. I would only let my friend know that even though it doesn´t happen very often, things can go wrong and you cannot be held responsible for any demage...just like we see in each every custom ROM disclaimer.
On my note 2 I accepted the OTA update and some how I rooted it with the OTA Root keeper. Evertything works fine but I cannot install custom recovery. What woould be the best way to unlock the bootloader and install custom recovery now.
I also have galaxy s3 and droid bionic both are rooted and custom roms installed and working great.
I have been with Verizon 16 years and it's abuot time to change but I think there all the same anymore $$$
If you took the ota then you can not unlock your bootloader as of this time.
why on earth are folks so hell bent on ota's???? fyi when you buy a device that came locked but was unlocked by devs at xda, YOU NEVER EXCEPT ANY OTA! It has been posted all over this forum...please research before you do anything!!
Totally agree! I won't even update an app until I know what the changes are, and even then I usually wait to see if any issues arise with the update.
Doesn't matter how many times you warn people no to install an OTA because it has a bootloader, someone won't listen.
I would never consider taking a ota until after our devs have a chance to check it out. Besides if you run a custom rom your developer will most likely be updating to the new build and you know you can safely flash it.
Besides I know verizon is more worried about blocking crap than they are on their real updates.
Forget the security update and give us official 4.1.2 screw verizon! Verizon ota usually means bad things.
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I would never consider taking a ota until after our devs have a chance to check it out. Besides if you run a custom rom your developer will most likely be updating to the new build and you know you can safely flash it.
Besides I know verizon is more worried about blocking crap than they are on their real updates.
Forget the security update and give us official 4.1.2 screw verizon! Verizon ota usually means bad things.
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4.1.2 has very little to offer us.
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4.1.2 has very little to offer us.
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I agree with that. However my point was instead of Verizon spending their time improving their devices they would rather spend their money and time trying to figure out how to screw us. I know 4.1.2 brings little to the table but maybe if they were not working on locking the bootloader they could improve on the builds instead. I would still rather have 4.1.1 over 4.2.1 any day.
Hi Everyone:
I am so new to the development world. simple question:
I have managed to unlock the bootloader and root My HTC one.
How am I going to do software update later when AT&T release new one for the device? (I Know they are going to have the fixes for multiple bugs, like camera improvement, back and home button sensitivity issue, battery life, etc ).
will I loose the root after the update, or I can not even do update through OTA since I unlocked the bootloader?
will whatever way for the approaching wipes the data and apps?
How will it work? hope someone can answer my questions, thank you in advance!!
since you unlock the bootloader, you can not recived the OTA notification maybe.
I am in europe and I have to check for the update manually. I rooted the device and it is working fine. I tired to install the latest HTC software update (1.29.401.12) but it failed. It restarts the device and boots into TWRP.
Appreciate some insight.
babyzone2 said:
Hi Everyone:
I am so new to the development world. simple question:
I have managed to unlock the bootloader and root My HTC one.
How am I going to do software update later when AT&T release new one for the device? (I Know they are going to have the fixes for multiple bugs, like camera improvement, back and home button sensitivity issue, battery life, etc ).
will I loose the root after the update, or I can not even do update through OTA since I unlocked the bootloader?
will whatever way for the approaching wipes the data and apps?
How will it work? hope someone can answer my questions, thank you in advance!!
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I wouldn't worry about ota updates ever again. Every time an ota is released someone puts out a stock rooted rom you can flash via custom recovery.
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gunnyman said:
I wouldn't worry about ota updates ever again. Every time an ota is released someone puts out a stock rooted rom you can flash via custom recovery.
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thanks for the reply,
to this day, I still dont quite understand how the phone work when come to bootloader, recovery, custom Rom.
do you have a good artile about how they work? what are the relationship between?