I was planning on getting the chichitec ones since those are the ones that have been getting the best word. But those batteries are rated at 3.7v while the OEM one is at 3.8v. Would switching between the two types of battery cause any damage to the phone?
Also are 3rd party batteries safe overall?
Sorry for the newb questions its my first android phone and I'm using the hell out of it and my battery can't keep up
In regards to whether switching mAh amounts will cause damage, no. Might just cause slightly inaccurate battery percentage reading.
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I was planning on getting the chichitec ones since those are the ones that have been getting the best word. But those batteries are rated at 1.7v while the OEM one is at 1.8v. Would switching between the two types of battery cause any damage to the phone?
Also are 3rd party batteries safe overall?
Sorry for the newb questions its my first android phone and I'm using the hell out of it and my battery can't keep up
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the voltage diff is minor.... at 100% charge the Li-ion battery is actually all the way up to 4.2v, when its nearly drained the protection circuit protect the battery around 3v and cut off the power, a fully discharged Li-ion battery would be irreversibly damaged
btw i think you meant 3.8v vs 3.7v
bitslizer said:
the voltage diff is minor.... at 100% charge the Li-ion battery is actually all the way up to 4.2v, when its nearly drained the protection circuit protect the battery around 3v and cut off the power, a fully discharged Li-ion battery would be irreversibly damaged
btw i think you meant 3.8v vs 3.7v
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Whoops, yeah I meant 3.x posted it this morning before breakfast xD
Anyway, since the voltage wont cause any issues with the phone, would the actual battery? In other words, are 3rd party batteries safe on average?
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Hi guys, what is the right way to prolong battery life? Keep the xda charged all the time when possible? Or run the battery until it says charge again. Btw im talking about the internal built in battery. Thanks in advance.
The best thing for rechargeables is to completely empty them before recharging on regular basis. In case of an XDA this is not a good idea since you loose all your data when the battery goes flat. So my guess is to wait with recharging as long as you dare. :wink:
Li-ion Polymer batteries have no memory effect
So my guess is to wait with recharging as long as you dare.
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Not really... Used to be true for NiCad batteries though...
The XDA has a Li-ion polymer battery. This page has a lot of interesting facts about this technology for those that want to know. Among other things, it says:
No memory effect
The so-called memory effect is a major drawback for NiCd technology. Although the effect is not well understood, the practical manifestation is that NiCd and NiMH cells which have been subjected to repeated partial discharge seem to 'remember' the electrical capacity last delivered and only then deliver this on the next discharge. The memory effect is only removed by undertaking a slow full discharge, which again causes major logistical problems.
Li-ion Polymer cells have no memory effect and can be recharged at anytime without the need for a full discharge.
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Why "deep battery cycling" or "conditioning," is bad for your battery
In summary, "conditioning" your battery is only good for calibrating the tools which predict how long your battery will last.
I.e. people seem to be recommending that new phones should be completely discharged a few times and then fully recharged. In some cases, people are recommending that the phones be left discharged for long periods of time before recharging. THIS IS A BAD IDEA AND WILL NOT HELP BATTERY LIFE.
Again, you can do this to calibrate the battery monitor, but this will not help the battery itself.
Here's a quote from wikipedia *since I am a new user I can't directly link but go to en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Li-ion_battery
Like many rechargeable batteries, lithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often. However, if they are not used for a long time, they should be brought to a charge level of around 40%–60%
Lithium-ion batteries should not be frequently discharged fully and recharged ("deep-cycled"), but this may be necessary after about every 30th recharge to recalibrate any electronic charge monitor (e.g. a battery meter). This allows the monitoring electronics to more accurately estimate battery charge.[27] This has nothing to do with the memory effect.
Li-ion batteries should never be depleted to below their minimum voltage, 2.4 V to 3.0 V per cell.
Li-ion batteries should be kept cool. Ideally they are stored in a refrigerator. Aging will take its toll much faster at high temperatures. The high temperatures found in cars cause lithium-ion batteries to degrade rapidly.
Li-ion batteries should not be frozen [50] (most lithium-ion battery electrolytes freeze at approximately −40 °C; however, this is much colder than the lowest temperature reached by household freezers).
Li-ion batteries should be bought only when needed, because the aging process begins as soon as the battery is manufactured.[27]
When using a notebook computer running from fixed line power over extended periods, consider removing the battery[51] and storing it in a cool place so that it is not affected by the heat produced by the computer.
Hope this helps someone.
Thank you DarkDvr, wikipedia credits to him
Also, feel free to read up at batteryuniversity(DOT)com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
*again, this is my first post so it wont let me link directly.
Good read. Al though, this is XDA after all and you will be flamed for using wikipedia as as a source. Just giving you heads up.
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Good read. Al though, this is XDA after all and you will be flamed for using wikipedia as as a source. Just giving you heads up.
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"battery conditioning" is only bad if you do it all the time and drain it completely dead often...
Lithium ion batteries don't really need this...
And should only be done if you think you have faulty battery stats due to flahing new software or roms....
We all know this and the people that don't now know.. thanks op for informing the uninformed!
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You need to condition it for the phones software as well... Otherwise it will shut off before the battery is actually dead. But yes, you shouldn't do it all the time.
People confuse why I needs to be done is all.
Yeah, should change the title. It's misleading.
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there is a diffrence between a deep cycle and a normal cycle.they are only resistant to developing a memory.
Yes, I know this xda, but this after reading some of the multiple battery life threads it seemed like there was some misinformation floating around. I mean, I know batteries are the cheapest part of the phone and easy to replace, but still. No point in going through all the trouble of multiple deep cycles when it actually does harm to the battery.
Also, I wonder what the people with 2 batteries do, and how this affects the battery meter. Or, if you switch to a higher capacity battery. At what point does the unit recalibrate itself?
Can anyone recommend a faster charger? The wall charger still takes upwards of 3-4 hours to charge, was hoping there was something that puts out some more power.
How many amps does the stock charger put out/how much can the phone 'handle'? (Sorry, I've never messed around with circuits and electronics like that, I'm not sure what the correct terms are)...
For example, http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-reVIVE-Dual-Charger-iPad/dp/B003N7NO4Q that car charger has a 2.1a socket, meant to charge the ipad, would that, in theory, charge the sgs2 quicker than a standard car charger, putting out ~1amp?
edit: realized this is better suited for the accessories forum, feel free to move.
I believe the wall charger is the fastest charger that we have available. I could be wrong, but I haven't found anything faster.
If you turn off your phone and throw it on the wall charger, it will charge faster as the phone is not on to use any battery... but thats probably not what you're looking for.
Your best bet would be to buy an extra battery and external charger and just swap the batteries when they are low. Thats what I do, and its much better than keeping your phone plugged in most of the day.
Our phone has an internally set 650 mA charge current limit - adding a beefier charger won't do anything.
It doesn't help that Samsung put in a crippled charger chip in our device with nonadjustable current, instead of using the more capable one already present in the MAX8997...
and even if the phone lets it charge faster, you really dont want a charger that charges too fast. I'm pretty sure that will murder the battery.
Thanks for the answers, all.
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Your best bet would be to buy an extra battery and external charger and just swap the batteries when they are low. Thats what I do, and its much better than keeping your phone plugged in most of the day.
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This is fine for "emergencies," but swapping batteries will throw off your battery stats.
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This is fine for "emergencies," but swapping batteries will throw off your battery stats.
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How would swapping batteries thow off battery stats? It seems like everything resets once you boot up with the new battery, and isn't battery charge read off the raw voltage?
Lithium Ion batteries require a very particular two-step charging procedure. The battery has to be charged at constant current until the voltage rises to 4.2V, and then it needs to be charged at constant voltage (4.2V) until the charge current drops to about 10% of its starting value.
The amount of current allowed in the CC phase is a function of the battery's chemistry and capacity. It's expressed as some multiple or fraction of "C", the capacity of the battery. A 1C charge rate on a 1000mAh battery is 1A. The large LiPo batteries I use for my RC Heli and Airplane fleet will charge at 5C, for some of them this is better than 10A. But Li-Ion batteries usually can't tolerate more than 1C (and they usually charge at half that rate since this makes them last longer).
The harder you push the charge rate, the faster you wear out the battery and the more likely it is to fail. If you exceed the maximum charge rate, the battery is very likely to fail catastrophically (failure = fire). I charge my big LiPo batteries in a fireproof box for this reason.
My advice is, leave the phone's charging circuit alone unless you know what you're doing.
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How would swapping batteries thow off battery stats? It seems like everything resets once you boot up with the new battery, and isn't battery charge read off the raw voltage?
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Sure, it reads raw voltage. But the top end and bottom end worsen as the battery ages, and batterystats.bin doesn't know where those values are for a given battery until it's seen them. The system wasn't really designed to take into account the user swapping in multiple batteries.
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Sure, it reads raw voltage. But the top end and bottom end worsen as the battery ages, and batterystats.bin doesn't know where those values are for a given battery until it's seen them. The system wasn't really designed to take into account the user swapping in multiple batteries.
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Huh... I'll let you know in a year how this battery swapping thing goes then. But wouldn't wear be the same on both batteries if I just swap them daily?
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Huh... I'll let you know in a year how this battery swapping thing goes then. But wouldn't wear be the same on both batteries if I just swap them daily?
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I did this with my captivate where I would swap batteries everyday. Much better than charging if you ask me.
Hello guys
Do you know what is the máximum charge for the bh6x and the bh5x
I wonder if for the bh6x is 4200mV, i'm having a several battery drain and i want to make sure that the battery is in good shape
bh5x is the one that came with my phone and i'm not sure of it's maximum capacity too.
I recently replaced my battery with the same one that came with the phone. Found a relatively cheap OEM on eBay, and I charge it every day (sometimes twice on days with really heavy usage).
IDK the maximum charges, but you can kinda tell when a battery isn't as strong as it once was when it came with the phone.
Then again this is EXACTLY why I want removable batteries on my cell phones and absolutely HATE integrated battery cell phones... (IDC how "cool" the phone looks)
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I have both of those and the maximum charge i get on the bh6x is 4200 and the bh5x is 4174
Hope that helps
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Hello guys
Do you know what is the máximum charge for the bh6x and the bh5x
I wonder if for the bh6x is 4200mV, i'm having a several battery drain and i want to make sure that the battery is in good shape
bh5x is the one that came with my phone and i'm not sure of it's maximum capacity too.
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Thanks. i found out that both charges uo to 4200 but everything depends on the power per hour they can deliver
Thankyou
Yes, I know that there is a battery life thread but this is question is not about SOT and what apps eat up battery. I'm just trying to figure out how to extend the battery's lifespan
Battery life on phones inevitably get worse over time. With the S6 being sealed so tight in one piece, it is not going to be easy to just pop in a fresh battery after a year or so when your battery starts lasting you just half a day.
I've read contradicting info on whether or not you should be using your battery right down to 0% to "break in" a new battery. One of my friends constantly drains his battery down to 0 before charging it, while I've read that this is bad for batteries from other places. Another thing I hear people doing is unplugging their phones from the charger soon as it reaches 100%, does this actually do anything? I just want some tips from people who would know how to get the most out of a battery over time.
Batteries are pretty smart these days, so they'll not over charge unless very defective. LI batteries do not need to be drained first... the old NiCad ones did IIRC. The life of a LI battery is going to be measured in full charging cycles, so partial charging makes no difference to the overall life of the battery vs draining completely before charging.
Coming from an HTC One, removable battery really want an issue for me. Although I'd certainly prefer it.
Like bjhill said, li-ion and li-polymer batteries these days should wash away any concern you have with the battery's lifespan.
Some people say occasionally you should drain your battery below 20% and charge it all the way to full without interruption (maybe once a month). Other than that there's jack all to do.
You don't need a new battery after a year, unless you did something stupid.
Just make sure that the phone doesnt overheat while charging. Thats the main reason for bloated batteries.
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Just make sure that the phone doesnt overheat while charging. Thats the main reason for bloated batteries.
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Quick charger isn't helping that cause