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Okay, so I've been with android since the G1, I've had a G2, and now I have the Amaze 4G, and with each new phone I've become more and more of a flashaholic. So I'm mostly familiar with the processes to root and flash android devices.
My issue is that I'm not familiar enough with what I'm actually doing to know whether or not I should go ahead and root my Amaze.
I've read through the discussions trying to make heads or tails of what the consequences are for doing it now instead of waiting, bit I'm not having much luck.
So, question: What exactly would I be giving up by rooting now vs waiting? I know it voids the warranty with htc, but does that also cause issues with my insurance plan from T-Mobile if I were to need a replacement? Will rooting now remove any chances of obtaining full s- off in the future?
Thanks for the help. I'm pretty sure this is my first post (lurker here) so if I'm in the wrong place or something, go easy on me. Haha.
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I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with s-off. I know it may take a while but will be worth it.
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
xboarder56 said:
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
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Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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xboarder,
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, if someone uses the htcdev unlock but then in the future, a locked bootloader is needed for a S-OFF exploit, can't we use the RUU you posted in the dev forum to re-lock it?
I mean, it won't reset the warranty, but shouldn't it re-lock the bootloader?
Spovik said:
Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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That was what I gathered as well. From reading all the posts I could find on it, everyone was saying something about S-Off and "Everything S-Off" were different things. Something about S-Off from the HTC unlocker only allows you to change roms and not kernels or radios or something. One guy (I can't find the post unfortunately) said that if you unlock it with the HTC tool, you will never be able to unlock it the rest of the way (everything s-off) so that you can customize the rest of the things. Then again though, I've seen others saying the opposite. Let me know if I'm not making sense. I can try to find the posts where I read this.
I'm not taking any chances.. I'll wait for s-off then root this bad boy.. so far I haven't had any problems with the stock Rom..
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You can relock I just figured this out a ruu can't be flashed unless you have a locked boot loader how you relock hmm
The relock zip I have so you can still get s off when it comes
And ps to the end users why you need s off any ways?
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Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
xboarder56 said:
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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Im not quite sure thats how it works, man, because if you officially void your warranty, Tmo and Assurion will know about that, make sure... i mean these are big companies that leave nothing to chance (especially insurance companies), so its a common sense to think that when it comes to the most expensive Tmo android smartphone right now, htc has a way of warning them about warranty voids! So even if you call saying youve lost it or got stolen, assurion may decline your request based on that... I wouldnt take the risk and will patiently wait till another way of unlocking the bootloader comes out, not involving htc... hopefully... you just keep up the great work, man, cheers!
Edit: Just found asurions insurance form, where under Exclusions says:
This insurance does not apply to loss or damage caused by or resulting from any of the following:
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i. Programming, Repair Work
Programming, cleaning, adjusting, repairing, modifying, or performing any other work upon Covered Property.
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http://www.phoneclaim.com/documents/MetroPCS/Terms-And-Conditions-New-York.pdf
Hope that sheds more light on this issue
My understanding, and maybe I'm being ubernoob, was that you needed to have S-OFF to COMPLETELY get rid of Sense. Beastmod comes close to the AOSP I want, but it still has the sense dialer and I hate it. (Unless I am misunderstanding and the sense dialer was included as a matter of preference, rather than necessity.)
Ideally, I'd like to be able to load Cyanogen if it ever becomes available but right now it's not that big of a deal. ICS would be nice, but that's so far down the line I'm not too concerned.
If I can get rid of ALL sense (maybe keep the camera apk), and have a stock, unmodified AOSP with no bloat, I'll be happy, but I don't want to jump on that if it screws my ability to flash CM.
U can still flash cm7 trust me and beastmod I tried a lot to get Sodom dialer but no able to would have to re do full framework but no source hard to redo framework
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Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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TheSneakerWhore said:
Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
Binary100100 said:
I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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They are around...just not like the old days. Still deving here and there.
\Fauk, I miss my G1.
\\Still have it, not so working anymore
Binary100100 said:
Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
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Good call - duh, why didn't I think of that? lol
I unlocked and rooted pretty much AS SOON as the threads were posted but then I read you would not be able to S-off. Kinda started sweating bullets because I know just being bootloader unlocked can limit how much you can modify/flash.
But "losing" my phone is doable lol if/when S-off is achieved and the htc dev unlock screwed us
So to answer the op's question - i LOVE my rooted Amaze. The two ROMs available by xboarder are awesome alternatives to stock and since you say you've had root before then you know all the cool things that come with the territory (removing bloat/crapware, root capable apps, etc)
Just do it already
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wow lol even in this thread I'm confused.
1. Is S-off method that is out now reversable?
2. Are current methods enough to have a full AOSP ICS rom?
The previous poster indicated sense remains in one way or the other with current method.
This is a noob question but is it possible to run two sense roms? Or make one into a launcher so you have to UIs?
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This is a noob question but is it possible to run two sense roms? Or make one into a launcher so you have to UIs?
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You can run different launchers.
You can also run different roms as long as you do a nandroid backup and restore for each. But not at the same time.
Binary100100 said:
You can run different launchers.
You can also run different roms as long as you do a nandroid backup and restore for each. But not at the same time.
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How would i set up the rom as a launcher? And how do i do nandroid back ups of roms?
TramainM said:
How would i set up the rom as a launcher? And how do i do nandroid back ups of roms?
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You can't set the rom up as a launcher. Just run 1 rom with different launchers.
I noticed that you seem to be interested in Sense 3.5 so unless you are one of the lucky ones with s-off then you really can't nandroid back and forth to different roms. But to backup your rom use recovery to do your backup. That's nandroid.
Binary100100 said:
You can't set the rom up as a launcher. Just run 1 rom with different launchers.
I noticed that you seem to be interested in Sense 3.5 so unless you are one of the lucky ones with s-off then you really can't nandroid back and forth to different roms. But to backup your rom use recovery to do your backup. That's nandroid.
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I take it that if your rooted you can't get S-Off can you?
TramainM said:
I take it that if your rooted you can't get S-Off can you?
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Do you want to get kicked in the head?
Binary100100 said:
Do you want to get kicked in the head?
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hahaha all the questions seemed legit until this last one!!
seansk said:
hahaha all the questions seemed legit until this last one!!
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My question didn't seem legit?
if s-off is ever achieved there's always boot manager, suuuuuper unstable but lets you switch between roms after restarting (no nandroid restore necessary)
F033x said:
if s-off is ever achieved there's always boot manager, suuuuuper unstable but lets you switch between roms after restarting (no nandroid restore necessary)
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It will be achieved, lets stay optimistic
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It will be achieved, lets stay optimistic
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F033x said:
if s-off is ever achieved there's always boot manager, suuuuuper unstable but lets you switch between roms after restarting (no nandroid restore necessary)
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Binary100100 said:
My question didn't seem legit?
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seansk said:
hahaha all the questions seemed legit until this last one!!
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I just want to be able to switch between thing that i need like if i want GPS i go to Revolution and when i get to work switch to bliss ill try boot manager for a while and then if i cant take it ill give up
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It will be achieved, lets stay optimistic
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F033x said:
if s-off is ever achieved there's always boot manager, suuuuuper unstable but lets you switch between roms after restarting (no nandroid restore necessary)
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My question didn't seem legit?
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hahaha all the questions seemed legit until this last one!!
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I just want to be able to switch between thing that i need like if i want GPS i go to Revolution and when i get to work switch to bliss
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I just want to be able to switch between thing that i need like if i want GPS i go to Revolution and when i get to work switch to bliss
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sense ui has a build in function for this!!! in its launcher, settings, personalize, scenes!! you can customize up to 7 or 8 of them
seansk said:
sense ui has a build in function for this!!! in its launcher, settings, personalize, scenes!! you can customize up to 7 or 8 of them
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Problem is the rom im running is the bliss ui which has no gps working! I just wish he would fix. Their is only 4 bugs left and a lot of people love the 3.5 series. Is their any other option besides s-off?
TramainM said:
Problem is the rom im running is the bliss ui which has no gps working! I just wish he would fix. Their is only 4 bugs left and a lot of people love the 3.5 series. Is their any other option besides s-off?
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You are not obligated to root or use 3.5. The developers are working hard and providing these roms free of charge. If you do not like something please change back to stock or to another rom. There are no other options at this point, and devlopers cannot service to every single demand they get from 1000's of individuals. That being said, developers are probably waiting for ICS and the official 3.5 Sense UI to come out before creating new roms based on it.
THERE IS NO S-OFF, please read before posting Three stickies on top of the page all state there is way to obtain S-off, S-off is not available, only a few phones have been shipped with S-off and are very very very rare. If you want to become familiar with things you need to read, and stop asking hundreds of questions, I say that in a friendly way, because by asking questions that can already be answered and can be found either by search or by google or doing some research and trial and error on your own, you're going to piss a lot of people around here!!
thank you
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You are not obligated to root or use 3.5. The developers are working hard and providing these roms free of charge. If you do not like something please change back to stock or to another rom. There are no other options at this point, and devlopers cannot service to every single demand they get from 1000's of individuals. That being said, developers are probably waiting for ICS and the official 3.5 Sense UI to come out before creating new roms based on it.
THERE IS NO S-OFF, please read before posting Three stickies on top of the page all state there is way to obtain S-off, S-off is not available, only a few phones have been shipped with S-off and are very very very rare. If you want to become familiar with things you need to read, and stop asking hundreds of questions, I say that in a friendly way, because by asking questions that can already be answered and can be found either by search or by google or doing some research and trial and error on your own, you're going to piss a lot of people around here!!
thank you
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Bliss sense 3.5 Has come out on the HTC Rhyme and Sense 3.5 Next Gen (NG) has arrived on the HTC ReZound 4 days before the amaze came out.................... That being said its not just me who wants a update on this rom. I personally like sense 3.5 It looks a lot better than 3.0. But sense 3.5 has been out officially by HTC for as old as the Amaze is. I'm just saying it would be nice to have the GPS working. So please don't tell me about my actions telling me that they are going to wait the Official sense 3.5 is out. I know when these UIs came so out so I think your should look at a the new ReZound on HTC so you can see it has 3.5 a Verizon phone. I simply looked for an alternative or looking to see if someone had a fix or possibly found a way to easily switch between two roms. Thank You Very MUCH.
Dreaming?
I have a dream... (yes, I watched too many of those video clips recently) and it's a wild one.
I wish to have iOS running on top of GB. We'd show it off to those snobby iPeople how smooth and fast it runs on the Amaze. And then, in front of their face, we return to GB saying, "I can't live with that clap!"
Seriously, we have so much space wasted on the device.
/system: 903080K total, 667188K used, 235892K available (block size
4096)
/data: 2580268K total, 1405756K used, 1174512K available (block size 4096)
/cache: 322524K total, 5324K used, 317200K available (block size
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I know from my experience with G1, the AOSP GB (w/tiny GAPS) would fit in a 76mb system partition. That's 1/3 the available space on the Amaze! Wait! We don't even need free NAND space... The old HD2 could run Android entirely off the sdcard.
My dream is getting wilder, so please don't bash me even if I am totally wrong!
If we can engineer the second OS (Dalvik engin, I suppose) to run on top of the first, then we don't really need to patch the SPL, do we? I am thinking something like the way XP-mode runs on Win7. Or soft-reboot into different OS. The two OS instances even can share the same kernel if the two OS's we want can run on it.
Knowing nothing about how to implement it, I woke up to the reality: Yeah, my Amaze is still the best phone around!
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I have a dream... (yes, I watched too many of those video clips recently) and it's a wild one.
I wish to have iOS running on top of GB. We'd show it off to those snobby iPeople how smooth and fast it runs on the Amaze. And then, in front of their face, we return to GB saying, "I can't live with that clap!"
Seriously, we have so much space wasted on the device.
I know from my experience with G1, the AOSP GB (w/tiny GAPS) would fit in a 76mb system partition. That's 1/3 the available space on the Amaze! Wait! We don't even need free NAND space... The old HD2 could run Android entirely off the sdcard.
My dream is getting wilder, so please don't bash me even if I am totally wrong!
If we can engineer the second OS (Dalvik engin, I suppose) to run on top of the first, then we don't really need to patch the SPL, do we? I am thinking something like the way XP-mode runs on Win7. Or soft-reboot into different OS. The two OS instances even can share the same kernel if the two OS's we want can run on it.
Knowing nothing about how to implement it, I woke up to the reality: Yeah, my Amaze is still the best phone around!
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off topic much but WTH are you talking about?
TramainM said:
off topic much but WTH are you talking about?
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Thinking aloud a possible method (concept) of achieving dual-booting without S-Off, I guess.
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Thinking aloud a possible method (concept) of achieving dual-booting without S-Off, I guess.
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I'm no devoloper but i have looked at the rom files and they come with a bunch of apks in them that get loaded on the phone. Just thinking if someone was to create an app that added your apps that you have in their you'd have that rom ready to go as soon as you loaded it. (Minus the missing contacts.) In addition to that you have an app that goes through the whole flashing prosses for you. Kernal and all. Just a thought but Idk I DIDN'T READ ANYTHING SO I DONT WANT TO PISS ANYONE OFF! But yeah thats my thought.
Hey guys just wondering if any devs have stated that they are working on achieving s-off for the evo lte?
" Is there any devs working on achieving s-off? "
*Are* there any devs working on achieving s-off?
please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
flex360 said:
please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
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Me personally, I was wondering the same. We don't need it but I, just as I'm sure there are others out there, would prefer not to go the HTCdev route. It's really just a simple question the OP asked. If you don't know don't answer, or say "I don't know". I don't know. I had heard there were some people working on it but I haven't seen anything in quite a while. Me, I want CM9. I haven't rooted yet and I was hoping that at some point in the near future we'd have s-off and a fully working CM9. If CM9 comes before s-off I'll do the HTCdev.
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please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
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Well to unlock the bootloader without htc knowing.
Isn't also easier to flash kernals through recovery,flash radios and firmware through the bootloader,without having to relock the bootloader and updating the device and then unlocking the device again?
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Well to unlock the bootloader without htc knowing.
Isn't also easier to flash kernals through recovery,flash radios and firmware through the bootloader,without having to relock the bootloader and updating the device and then unlocking the device again?
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It has been stated many times you don't need to be s-off to flash kernels, radios, splash screens, etc... basically the LTE with HTC unlock can do everything with s-on that a phone can do with s-off.
Back on topic, I was wondering the same but haven't asked (just waiting on the sidelines..) I would rather not go the HTC unlock route, but I'll probably do it just because at this point you can do it all with HTC dev unlock
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It has been stated many times you don't need to be s-off to flash kernels, radios, splash screens, etc... basically the LTE with HTC unlock can do everything with s-on that a phone can do with s-off.
Back on topic, I was wondering the same but haven't asked (just waiting on the sidelines..) I would rather not go the HTC unlock route, but I'll probably do it just because at this point you can do it all with HTC dev unlock
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Well I agree,but at this point it's about voiding my warranty,and also i used the evo lte for about five days with terrible 3G speeds and no 4g lte here in Miami,Florida,so I reactivated my evo 3d until there is 4g lte because there is WiMAX here.
there could be devs working on it, but without announcing anything until it's ready, just so they don't have to deal with the usual ETA questions
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there could be devs working on it, but without announcing anything until it's ready, just so they don't have to deal with the usual ETA questions
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That's what I was thinking. I remember with the 3D and the 1.5hboot I didn't see anything about progress until it was done (I also wasn't looking for it because I had a 1.4, s-off, launch day phone). I think it will come in time, I'm not too worried though because there's always HTCdev to fall back on.
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Hey guys just wondering if any devs have stated that they are working on achieving s-off for the evo lte?
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Any true dev wouldn't be wasting time trying to achieve S-off when the HTC unlock works fine. I rather have devs achieving good roms then wasting time on S-off just so "HTC wouldn't know"
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Any true dev wouldn't be wasting time trying to achieve S-off when the HTC unlock works fine. I rather have devs achieving good roms then wasting time on S-off just so "HTC wouldn't know"
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Of course they would its all about hacking devices and the thrill of achieving what's not given to us.
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Of course they would its all about hacking devices and the thrill of achieving what's not given to us.
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Why don't you wait around and find out, while I flash ROMS.
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i'd to see the dreadful warning on my splash to be gone. that alone would worth s-off
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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There's an inner circle working on S-OFF. You will not hear about it until it's done.
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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We can already do quite a bit if you know the commands in adb.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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jcase is not working on S-OFF. The first few people he unlocked before public release are (these are the inner circle, if you will). He will certainly know when it's accomplished.
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps, on the fly build.prop editing, the giant customization settings apps that many sense roms are coming with, etc etc
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps...
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Adblock Plus just came out with a new app yesterday with enhanced features for rooted users: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.android
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Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Funny....I remember a couple months ago when people were saying the exact same phrase in the d2vzw forums. We are all sharing the same optimistic thoughts.....but in the back of our minds, we all know its a load of sh*t.....we want s-off, trust me.
Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Do not buy a device based on what may be possible in the future. Buy it based on what is possible now. If s-off is important to you, then you do not want the DNA at this time. If you can live with the limitations, then go for it, but be careful not to turn into one of the disgruntled owners because you really wanted s-off and believed the rumors that it is "coming soon".
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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luigi311 said:
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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there are significant differences on this phone between dev unlocked and s-off (for those on pre release units that were lucky enough)
kernels: atm, s-off can flash in recovery, unlock in hboot (yes scripts can be done, but still)
radios: no-go on dev unlock, yes on s off
reverting to older RUU's: well none exist currently, but s off can, dev unlock cant
splash images: cosmetic, sure...but not possible on dev unlock
updating/reverting other firmware: only possible to update through a signed RUU for non s-off folks...s off folks can revert or update with just parts of the RUU that are extracted
/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
Dri94 said:
DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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I have nothing to do with s-off. I'd wait for hyuh and/or fuses to say something.
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
CharliesTheMan said:
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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Sir, your logic is NOT welcome here!
nitsuj17 said:
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/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
QD2DC said:
Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Is anyone able to remove bloatware from their DNA? This revert back issue with s-on seems to prevent it.
You have to unlock it, install a recovery, root it, and you can install a debloated stock Rom or a custom Rom.
I recently got an HTC One Max, after having 2 Samsung devices (Note 2 and 3) and I want to gain root.. Mostly so I can tweak the system a little and maybe at some point run a custom ROM.... It's been a while since I've used an HTC Device (The last HTC device I used was an Inspire 4G, and Vivid) and those were easy to root - I Just can't remember if I needed to S-off to gain root, or if I could just gain root.
But I can't find an exact answer, Some people are saying just use Rumrunner or whatever it's called - Others claim it no longer works and I have to pay $25 to gain root.
So my question is... Is there a way to gain root without forking over cash for the Verizon version.. or am I stuck with paying to gain root / S-off?
ZackFearheart said:
I recently got an HTC One Max, after having 2 Samsung devices (Note 2 and 3) and I want to gain root.. Mostly so I can tweak the system a little and maybe at some point run a custom ROM.... It's been a while since I've used an HTC Device (The last HTC device I used was an Inspire 4G, and Vivid) and those were easy to root - I Just can't remember if I needed to S-off to gain root, or if I could just gain root.
But I can't find an exact answer, Some people are saying just use Rumrunner or whatever it's called - Others claim it no longer works and I have to pay $25 to gain root.
So my question is... Is there a way to gain root without forking over cash for the Verizon version.. or am I stuck with paying to gain root / S-off?
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Rumrunner only works on older hboot. If you are still on sense 5.5 basically on the older hboot. If you're on sense 5 sunshine is the only way to go. Don't listen to the people having backups of firewater it doesn't mean anything since it's shut down server side.
sorry
Your going to have to pay the $25.00 if you want root, but it's the best 25.00you'll ever spend, get that babe rooted, and enjoy. I know someone who used sunshine and he said it worked like a champ, go get it :silly:
musicman625 said:
Your going to have to pay the $25.00 if you want root, but it's the best 25.00you'll ever spend, get that babe rooted, and enjoy. I know someone who used sunshine and he said it worked like a champ, go get it :silly:
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As much as I want root - I don't think I can justify paying for it. I realize devs work their asses off to find Roots, and exploits and making custom ROMs and stuff for phones... but I'm NOT rich, and $25 right now would be alot of money.
ZackFearheart said:
As much as I want root - I don't think I can justify paying for it. I realize devs work their asses off to find Roots, and exploits and making custom ROMs and stuff for phones... but I'm rich, and $25 right now would be alot of money.
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Ask a mod to close your thread please.
dottat said:
Ask a mod to close your thread please.
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Meant to say I'm NOT rich... but whatever
ZackFearheart said:
Meant to say I'm NOT rich... but whatever
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I actually knew what you meant....?
Only asked you to get this guy locked because this is about the point where things go down hill quickly.