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Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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androidlover123 said:
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
silentsigma said:
glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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Theonew said:
You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
ferns_mccanus said:
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
SO i made a backup with titanium backup of everything and manually made a copy of my internal sd. I flashed to 1.8.3 stock and then to the pudding enabled 2.3.4. What is the best way to get all of my stuff back? In the future, what is the best way to backup and restore everything easier? I have heard of this nandoid thing? What is that?
buckbomb56 said:
SO i made a backup with titanium backup of everything and manually made a copy of my internal sd. I flashed to 1.8.3 stock and then to the pudding enabled 2.3.4. What is the best way to get all of my stuff back? In the future, what is the best way to backup and restore everything easier? I have heard of this nandoid thing? What is that?
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just use titanium backup to restore it for now
Well, I understand that with a nandroid backup it will restore my phone to the exact same state? If I want to switch between roms in the future, is this the best way to maintain data across roms?
buckbomb56 said:
Well, I understand that with a nandroid backup it will restore my phone to the exact same state? If I want to switch between roms in the future, is this the best way to maintain data across roms?
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i beleive nandroid is a full system backup so it may be better not familiar i use ttb
Titanium Backup - Backs up your Apps + Data
Nandroid Backup - Takes an image of your phone, which can be restored at any time. Essentially everything will be exactly the same when you restore the backup.
ive read in the other threads that we should be doing backup when flashing kernels.
how important is it to backup for just flashing a kernel? is it even worth it? Im gonna be flashing Siyah Kernel
I heard nandroid only backups phone settings? did i understand it correctly?
Is it better to root first before doing backup? or should I unroot my phone first?
Please tell me if I got it right
Titanium = app backup?
cwm = nandroid backup?
a bit offtopic but does anyone experience battery drainage when connected to wi-fi even when not doing anything like surfing etc.?
anthony001 said:
ive read in the other threads that we should be doing backup when flashing kernels.
how important is it to backup for just flashing a kernel? is it even worth it? Im gonna be flashing Siyah Kernel
Your choice but a reasonably recent backup should be ok .
I heard nandroid only backups phone settings? did i understand it correctly?
NO it backs up all bar EFS and Modem .
Is it better to root first before doing backup? or should I unroot my phone first?
Not relevant as you cannot backup without root.
Please tell me if I got it right
Titanium = app backup?
YES
cwm = nandroid backup?
And more
jje
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anthony001 said:
ive read in the other threads that we should be doing backup when flashing kernels.
how important is it to backup for just flashing a kernel? is it even worth it? Im gonna be flashing Siyah Kernel
I heard nandroid only backups phone settings? did i understand it correctly?
Is it better to root first before doing backup? or should I unroot my phone first?
Please tell me if I got it right
Titanium = app backup?
cwm = nandroid backup?
a bit offtopic but does anyone experience battery drainage when connected to wi-fi even when not doing anything like surfing etc.?
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Nandroid backup makes images of yours phone partitions and saves them into separated files. Truly, I never needed to restore any backup, You doing this only for a precaution measures.
Titanium Backup stores only your .apk, their data and settings. Nandroid saves all and put it into safe place (including whole system).
It's good to have both of backups, but TB can also extract .apk from nandroid backup. In this case nandroid backup is much better.
OT: WiFi always draining your battery because of notification wakelocks and working antenna. Set your phone into energy saving mode, it should help.
SirKunon said:
Nandroid backup makes images of yours phone partitions and saves them into separated files. Truly, I never needed to restore any backup, You doing this only for a precaution measures.
Titanium Backup stores only your .apk, their data and settings. Nandroid saves all and put it into safe place (including whole system).
It's good to have both of backups, but TB can also extract .apk from nandroid backup. In this case nandroid backup is much better.
OT: WiFi always draining your battery because of notification wakelocks and working antenna. Set your phone into energy saving mode, it should help.
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really nandroid backups even apk? so lets say i have dino wars installed and fpse so will it also backup those? what about the saves will it also backup the saves? also when using fpse we have a file used to play games which i think is forbidden to write its name will it be backed up too?
anthony001 said:
really nandroid backups even apk? so lets say i have dino wars installed and fpse so will it also backup those? what about the saves will it also backup the saves? also when using fpse we have a file used to play games which i think is forbidden to write its name will it be backed up too?
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Everything in internal partitions system layout and .android secure partition on sdcard... just all you have got actually on your phones internal (system memory). Full backup including kernel, modem, system, apps and their data (saves, settings, etc.)
Of course if game save are stored in internal or external sd-card than its will NOT been stored into nandroid backup, but it remain on those sdcard(s) even after nandroid restore. Only formatting sdcard will remove those saves, data, etc. (also full factory reset with service code formats all phones partition including internal sccard).
If you know what a windows image backup then this works the same restores all .
But EFS and Modem .
Nandroid backup full working phone 10-am
Flash JB xxxx rom and it fails or dont like it .
Restore to 10-am full working phone Nandroid backup .
Modem and EFS stay on the phone the same .
Useful very i have done five Nandroid restores already to day after test modifications .
I also have copy of TB and Nandroid backups on PC just in case .
jje
Important thing is to restore backup on the same recovery (cwm) on which backup was make. If partition layout has changed after nandbacup you also cant restore it, phone will stuck on bootlogo.
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Hi
I want to install a costume Rom on my phone
but first I want to make a backup of my stock rom (just in case)
I found a backup option in the CWM app
so i need to know:
dose this option backs up only the Rom or will it back up the kernel also?
Are there better ways to backup the rom?
in general what does the "create a backup" option do? (in CWM in mean)
thanks in advance
best regards
backs up all but not the EFS and Modem
roostaamir said:
Hi
I want to install a costume Rom on my phone
but first I want to make a backup of my stock rom (just in case)
I found a backup option in the CWM app
so i need to know:
dose this option backs up only the Rom or will it back up the kernel also?
Are there better ways to backup the rom?
in general what does the "create a backup" option do? (in CWM in mean)
thanks in advance
best regards
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the backup option will backup every thing on you system and data partition but not the kernel and modem..
there is no better way than this..
correct me if I am wrong:
1-the backup options backs up my data (such as save data for games) too
2-if I want to restore to my stock firmware,this backup WON'T do it properly since it won't restore the kernel
roostaamir said:
correct me if I am wrong:
1-the backup options backs up my data (such as save data for games) too
2-if I want to restore to my stock firmware,this backup WON'T do it properly since it won't restore the kernel
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It backups everything including kernel except modem and efs. So if you restore it back you will have your stock kernel there
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roostaamir said:
correct me if I am wrong:
1-the backup options backs up my data (such as save data for games) too
2-if I want to restore to my stock firmware,this backup WON'T do it properly since it won't restore the kernel
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As Bala said Kernel is backed up..so I may be wrong here..but I read somewhere that kernel is not backed up..so anyways..you will have the stock kernel if I am wrong..
the games data is stored on your internal sdcard..so it wont be backed up..and in between if require a factory reset it will be lost..
thanks guys
you helped me so much (and fast)
and one more thing i remembered right now:
the backup will be a CWM flashable zip file.right?
roostaamir said:
thanks guys
you helped me so much (and fast)
and one more thing i remembered right now:
the backup will be a CWM flashable zip file.right?
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To restore you go to backup and restore and select restore(from internal or external sd card) depending on where the back up was created.
Can anyone advice me on what can be done if anything?. I have a S3 LTE Gt-I9305 I installed Titanium Pro and CWM. Did back ups on both and then decided to only keep CWM and promply went on to flash my ROM. It looks like the Ripper ROM has loaded but the touch screen won’t work visually it works fine but to unlock the screen, nothing happens. What could be the cause?. Secondly is there any way to re install titanium back on the phone as I have titanium backup files and hope that will restore the phone back to normal. Any advice???.
CWM & Titanium Back backups are two different things. CWM does a nandroid backup which includes your complete phone setup at the time of backing up. Titanium only backs up apps (user & system) & data.
Hence if you want to return to your old phone's setup you have to use your CWM backup.
Maybe read some of the guides in the FAQ thread to get up to speed on flashing, backups etc. first before you move on!
chrismast said:
CWM & Titanium Back backups are two different things. CWM does a nandroid backup which includes your complete phone setup at the time of backing up. Titanium only backs up apps (user & system) & data.
Hence if you want to return to your old phone's setup you have to use your CWM backup.
Maybe read some of the guides in the FAQ thread to get up to speed on flashing, backups etc. first before you move on!
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Thanks!. I know they two different thngs, hence me asking if there is any way of restoring Titanium back onto the phone, as I think the reason the touch screen on my phone may not be working because there could be a system file missing which CWM has not backed up. And CWM won't restore Titanium files or not that I am aware of.
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Thanks!. I know they two different thngs, hence me asking if there is any way of restoring Titanium back onto the phone, as I think the reason the touch screen on my phone may not be working because there could be a system file missing which CWM has not backed up. And CWM won't restore Titanium files or not that I am aware of.
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Sure you can restore from Titanium, but I guess a safer bet in your case would be to do a factory wipe and flash a stock ROM. Easier and cleaner way as CWM usually backups any file, would be strange if it misses a few.
anyone know how to restore just the SMS data history from Nandroid backup?
chrismast said:
Sure you can restore from Titanium, but I guess a safer bet in your case would be to do a factory wipe and flash a stock ROM. Easier and cleaner way as CWM usually backups any file, would be strange if it misses a few.
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Mmm.... Thats the problem I have done a factroy wipe and flashed a stock ROM didn't seem to help. Not even too sure i might have even accsedentally deleted a file from the phone when it was connected to my pc. and without the screen working I don't know that I can re load Titanium as the screen touch pad won't work.
Rich32 said:
Mmm.... Thats the problem I have done a factroy wipe and flashed a stock ROM didn't seem to help. Not even too sure i might have even accsedentally deleted a file from the phone when it was connected to my pc. and without the screen working I don't know that I can re load Titanium as the screen touch pad won't work.
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even if you deleted a file, you should be able to flash a stock ROM via Odin in Download Mode (as far as the hardware buttons still work).
If you really flashed a stock ROM already, you could still try to flash your nandroid via CWM (should also support navigation via hardware buttons or not?), and if this doesn't work I am out of options :-/
popeye3rd said:
anyone know how to restore just the SMS data history from Nandroid backup?
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Nandroid manager
Glebun said:
Nandroid manager
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Yes, I already installed Nandroid manager but i don't know where to look for it.
Is this the right one /data/data/com.android.mms
IIRC it has the option to restore SMS