So I'm running my aria on CM7-07282011-Nightly. I'm having battery issues, not battery-life issues, but general battery function issues. My stock battery died, then I bought two identical 1500mah batteries, which I have been charging with a standard Li-ion smart charger which I normally use for battery packs I build for various other projects. I just charge one battery while I use the other battery. Anyways the problem is that my phone's battery meter will never go over 80%. I boot up on a fully charged battery, and after two or three minutes have passed(when it first boots up it just shows the % it was at when I took the other battery out), the phone reads something like 74%.
I've thought maybe there was just a problem using two different batteries, so I tried charging one of these batteries in the phone and of course they stop a little above 70%, and sometimes the battery even drains while plugged into, well, any, of my 4 AC wall-plug type chargers or my computer.
I've tried wiping the battery stats, but it didn't do anything, and all the calibration methods I see say to charge until it's at 100%, which I can't get to...
I just wish there was a way to plug in an externally charged battery and reset the battery meter and force it to recognize whatever value is actually 100%....I've searched these forums and googled for two days and found no solution.
Does anyone know how I can fix this??
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I'm not sure if there is anything you can do about it. There's almost always going to be some quirks with third party batteries.
A tip is never get 3rd party batteries and the batteries we use love charging so charge whenever possible because if you let your battery die before charging waste builds up and leaves less space for charging.
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well, the phone works as long as if the battery has been charged to 100%, so I just wondered if the was something I could do...
So even if the batteries work a long time when fully charged from my external charger, there is no way to fix the battery meter? If I continue using it normally would battery stats eventually callibrate? they are good batteries...just seems like a software problem to me
Where did you buy the batteries from, E-bay??? E-bay and other on-line markets are loaded with Chinese knock-off batteries & SD cards that are fakes and/or not to manufacturer spec products.
If that's what you have, you can't expect the phone to "fix" it.
Battery stats do take a few days to calibrate, but I believe it should still show 100% when charged, if you have a real battery and not something out of spec.
I don't know what the manufacturer specs are, but a fully charged battery reads 4.2v, well within standard Li-ion open-circuit values. There is nothing wrong with these batteries....
chaldeman1984 said:
I don't know what the manufacturer specs are, but a fully charged battery reads 4.2v, well within standard Li-ion open-circuit values. There is nothing wrong with these batteries....
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Problem is that the percent battery available is not determined my measuring the cell voltage, rather reading a value out of the fuel gauge built into the battery pack. Li-Ion batteries have a rather flat discharge profile then crater at the end, making the cell voltage an unreliable predictor/measure of battery capacity.
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I notice that there's a warning message when the phone is fully charged, advising you to disconnect the charger. I usually leave my phone charging every night, meaning that it's still connected to the charger for hours after it's fully charged. I'm pretty sure that the S2 has "smart" charging, but would the overnight charging damage the battery by exposing it to unnecessary heat for this extended period?
No it shouldn't. Like you said the phone has the ability to shut off the charge when the battery reaches 100%.
I've been charging mine all night for most nights out of the past 3-4 months and it's fine.
That warning is essentially Samsung's attempt to give you a green consciousness, since leaving the charger connected to the wall draws a trickle of current. Sammy figures that millions of people following those instructions to the letter will help save the planet.
It will reduce your batteries life, leaving it on the charger. Will it does stop charging it then drains to 99% then tops it up, which over time uses up the recharge cycles and will reduce the time until it can't hold a charge.
Lithium ion battery doesn't have recharge cycle.
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Lithium ion battery doesn't have recharge cycle.
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Exactly. This was true until Litium Ion batteries came the norm in handsets.
Nowadays its just to be seen as being 'green'
That is strange since this site devoted to teaching about batteries makes it seem like they do. But also reading it says that being at a constant full charge is more damaging then cycling the battery.
That is in the second paragraph under the "Depth of discharge" chart on this site
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
With the frequency cellphone batteries are charge/discharged, they crap out after two years anyway, and unlike some other fruity product it takes us 10 seconds to plop in a new one, so don't worry about it.
Even if it damaged your battery the effect wouldn't come noticeable before a long time I think. And in case the battery does get damaged, you can always replace it, that's one of the nice things about this phone, if you compare it for example to an iphone.
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...And in case the battery does get damaged, you can always replace it, that's one of the nice things about this phone, if you compare it for example to an iphone.
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exactly why i didn't buy an iphone
The only things really damaging your battery are:
- excessive heat
- heavy use while charging
- turning on the phone over and over after it turned itself off on it's own due to low battery
there are more, for sure, but just to name a few.
I always charge my phones over night and my HD2's battery is as good as ever after 2 years. My SGS2's battery is still the same, and I still thing that when the battery is full there are no discharge/recharge cycles but something like a suspend mode in the charger.
Can anyone recommend a faster charger? The wall charger still takes upwards of 3-4 hours to charge, was hoping there was something that puts out some more power.
How many amps does the stock charger put out/how much can the phone 'handle'? (Sorry, I've never messed around with circuits and electronics like that, I'm not sure what the correct terms are)...
For example, http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-reVIVE-Dual-Charger-iPad/dp/B003N7NO4Q that car charger has a 2.1a socket, meant to charge the ipad, would that, in theory, charge the sgs2 quicker than a standard car charger, putting out ~1amp?
edit: realized this is better suited for the accessories forum, feel free to move.
I believe the wall charger is the fastest charger that we have available. I could be wrong, but I haven't found anything faster.
If you turn off your phone and throw it on the wall charger, it will charge faster as the phone is not on to use any battery... but thats probably not what you're looking for.
Your best bet would be to buy an extra battery and external charger and just swap the batteries when they are low. Thats what I do, and its much better than keeping your phone plugged in most of the day.
Our phone has an internally set 650 mA charge current limit - adding a beefier charger won't do anything.
It doesn't help that Samsung put in a crippled charger chip in our device with nonadjustable current, instead of using the more capable one already present in the MAX8997...
and even if the phone lets it charge faster, you really dont want a charger that charges too fast. I'm pretty sure that will murder the battery.
Thanks for the answers, all.
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Your best bet would be to buy an extra battery and external charger and just swap the batteries when they are low. Thats what I do, and its much better than keeping your phone plugged in most of the day.
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This is fine for "emergencies," but swapping batteries will throw off your battery stats.
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This is fine for "emergencies," but swapping batteries will throw off your battery stats.
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How would swapping batteries thow off battery stats? It seems like everything resets once you boot up with the new battery, and isn't battery charge read off the raw voltage?
Lithium Ion batteries require a very particular two-step charging procedure. The battery has to be charged at constant current until the voltage rises to 4.2V, and then it needs to be charged at constant voltage (4.2V) until the charge current drops to about 10% of its starting value.
The amount of current allowed in the CC phase is a function of the battery's chemistry and capacity. It's expressed as some multiple or fraction of "C", the capacity of the battery. A 1C charge rate on a 1000mAh battery is 1A. The large LiPo batteries I use for my RC Heli and Airplane fleet will charge at 5C, for some of them this is better than 10A. But Li-Ion batteries usually can't tolerate more than 1C (and they usually charge at half that rate since this makes them last longer).
The harder you push the charge rate, the faster you wear out the battery and the more likely it is to fail. If you exceed the maximum charge rate, the battery is very likely to fail catastrophically (failure = fire). I charge my big LiPo batteries in a fireproof box for this reason.
My advice is, leave the phone's charging circuit alone unless you know what you're doing.
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How would swapping batteries thow off battery stats? It seems like everything resets once you boot up with the new battery, and isn't battery charge read off the raw voltage?
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Sure, it reads raw voltage. But the top end and bottom end worsen as the battery ages, and batterystats.bin doesn't know where those values are for a given battery until it's seen them. The system wasn't really designed to take into account the user swapping in multiple batteries.
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Sure, it reads raw voltage. But the top end and bottom end worsen as the battery ages, and batterystats.bin doesn't know where those values are for a given battery until it's seen them. The system wasn't really designed to take into account the user swapping in multiple batteries.
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Huh... I'll let you know in a year how this battery swapping thing goes then. But wouldn't wear be the same on both batteries if I just swap them daily?
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Huh... I'll let you know in a year how this battery swapping thing goes then. But wouldn't wear be the same on both batteries if I just swap them daily?
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I did this with my captivate where I would swap batteries everyday. Much better than charging if you ask me.
Is it better to charge them separately?
From what I heard, the dock charges the Tablet. So if I charged with the two connected, the dock would charge, and it would in turn charge the Tablet...sounds kind of inefficient to me, and maybe even bad?
I usually charge my TF101 tablet from it's dock and have done so since September, perfectly fine and no negative impact on the battery. Just don't make a habbit of burning the batteries too low, like 1% before you charge.
My dock does drain a little faster after having gone through a bunch of heavy discharges but that's why I usually charge before I get to like 3% .
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I usually charge my TF101 tablet from it's dock and have done so since September, perfectly fine and no negative impact on the battery. Just don't make a habbit of burning the batteries too low, like 1% before you charge.
My dock does drain a little faster after having gone through a bunch of heavy discharges but that's why I usually charge before I get to like 3% .
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That's odd since it is recommended that you run the batteries down before charging them instead of putting it on the charger before it gets below 10%. Charging them without running the power down has a negative effect on the amount of charge it can hold.
That is not required anymore.The ideal charge level for these batteries is about 40%.
Charge cycles aren't a problem either so discharge is required once a month or even more.
These devices use LiPo and Co batteries.
For these, it is recommended NOT to fully let the battery discharge (unlike older batteries with memory effect).
It is however recommended to fully charge then fully discharge your battery ONCE when you first use it on order to calibrate the battery (ie: let the software learn what level means full and what level means empty)
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That's odd since it is recommended that you run the batteries down before charging them instead of putting it on the charger before it gets below 10%. Charging them without running the power down has a negative effect on the amount of charge it can hold.
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You can check the link in my Sig. there is some info on recent batteries and calibration.
Yup, running it till it shuts off is mainly to calibrate the battery gauge. Most Lion batteries have auto shutoffs built into them to prevent discharging past the point of no return (which is why ebay batteries are so cheap, usually they lack this and other features, like temp sensors to kill the device before it melts)
As to charging both devices, i dont see how charging each together would harm anything aside from running more power through the dock might eventually wear it out? Honestly i dont think you have anything to worry about XD
But I can see the dock being discharged to zero so often. So far it has happened 4 times without me even knowing it since its often connected to the tablet. I wish there was a way to use the dock and disable the charging to the tablet.
Its better to have a few full discharge n full charge cycle for any new battery operated product to maximize the new battery capacity after a few cycles it will reach its peak capacity.
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Its better to have a few full discharge n full charge cycle for any new battery operated product to maximize the new battery capacity after a few cycles it will reach its peak capacity.
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But I'm sure on many occasions just by the usage and nature of the dock that it will end up being drained to 0% quite often. I don't think my dock battery will survive too long -.-
Does leaving your Galaxy Note plugged in after it has reached 100% charged harm the battery?
From what I heard and read numerous times, you shouldn't leave a phone on a charger for more than 24 hours. I have heard many different opinions on this, but I think leaving a phone to charge overnight (6-10 hours average???) on a consistent base shouldn't harm the battery in general.
Is there "memory"?
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Is there "memory"?
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Only in nickel cadmium batteries
I thought with Li-ion batteries its the number of total charges before it starts going bad?
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I thought with Li-ion batteries its the number of total charges before it starts going bad?
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Yep. Same with all batteries.
Hard to say how many charge cycles the OEM batteries are rated for.
From Samsung sdi...
No Memory Effect
Lithium ion batteries have no memory effect, as seen in Ni-Cd and Ni-MH batteries, from which repeated charging and discharging reduces charging capacity to an insufficient level.
Long Life Cycle
Lithium ion batteries last through more than 500 repeated charges and discharges, making them very economical.
also from other readings...
I am pretty sure that Lithium-ion batteries for smartphones cannot be overcharged because the device's circuitry stops charging the moment it reaches 100% and allows it to drop a certain % till it recharges. That's why sometimes your phone's battery % will reduce so quickly after a full charge because it is really not at 100% when you unplug it.
Manufacturers, however, will still recommend disconnecting after a full charge.
Another...
it is not good to allow your Lithiumo-ion battery to fully drain then recharge repeatedly, as many suggest, to "train" your phone...that's puts a stress on the battery and is not good.
A low % (15-20%) then recharging to full one time will reset the meter and make it more accurate but not lengthen the batteries life.
all that said...I plug mine in at night and unplug in the morning.
This link talks about the Samsung battery and charging. It sounds educated on the issue but who knows....
http://www.geeksailor.com/how-to-improve-samsung-galaxy-note-battery-life/
Summary
1. Use wall charger not computer
2. Unplug when charged
3. Don't recharge until battery is below 10%
I put the phone on my desk dock every night whether it needs it or not. I do find myself topping it off too much also.
Has anyone checked the ROG phone "Battery health" on AccuBattery Pro? Mine is showing Estimated Capacity as 3,548 mAh, Design Capacity 4,000 mAh. I completely discharged then charged to 100% as calibration. Brand new phone.
Mine is showing 3,531mAh after around a week of usage.
Someone should report this on the Asus forums
mine also show 3500mah after 2.5 weeks of use
I have posted this issue on ASUS's Forum
https://www.asus.com/zentalk/thread-249329-1-1.html
Please feel free to add your battery capacity screenshots on their forum so we have a reference for the future
Mine's at 3462 after a little over a month. With a health of 87%
OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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Same here: 3536 mAh 88% health with Accubattery first charge out of the box after discharging to 15% following first power up.
Either Accubattery has a problem with our phone, or Asus is ripping us off.
If the batteries were bad, we'd all have different readings.
I am guessing the AI charging might affect the measurement from AccuBattery. However I also don't think the battery capacity is full 4000 mAh. My last phone from Motorola has a 3000 mAh battery on the spec chart, but the battery itself prints 2810 / 3000 mAh (min/typ). From the ROG phone tear down videos, this battery isn't marked though.
From the asus zen forum the only solution the person provided was to bring the device to a service center to get it tested
I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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Samsung does that. Note 9 is 4000mah but Accubattery says 3800mah on new phones. Every one of them.
Power reserve to not kill the battery early.
Anyway, 3500 mAh seems like one heck of a left over reserve.
Our batteries should last 5 years at least
Same "problem" here, but maybe it is because program has small amount of gathered data about battery usage. I did full discharge and full recharge yesterday, and goz about 3567mAh, but ill try to calibrate battery and use measuring app for longer time to get more accurate results.
Ps: I am using only slow charger to avoid overheating to eliminate battery damaging when recharging
I have not checked my ROG Phone in any 3rd party apps as I have not had a reason to question the 4,000 MAH
It is not a problem, lithium ion battery deteriorate faster if kept fully charge all the time or when discharged to low. Since most people have the bad habit to plug their phone all the time and keep them full for a prolonged period of time, oem have to be creative to fight this. Some will show your battery is charged at 100% while in reality its only charged at 90% .That is what your program most likely reading.
lithium ion should only be charged at 100% before you leave the house, i tend to keep mine between 50 and 90 usually . With quick charge there is no reason to keep a phone plug overnight, 10-20 min before leaving the house is plenty.
I have turned on AI for battery charging and as soon as my Battery reaches 100 it stops charging which is good enough for me to have faith in the charging technology in the phone and battery capacity.
I do leave mine plugged in over night however with the right equipment to check its hard to get a good understanding of whats happening. Theres inbuilt battery health tools so i would always advise using these and going through the features of this over 3rd party jank applications and trust them. Its the only tools Asus are going to support in any diagnostic troubleshooting.
Hi guys, I am returning after some time of usage and charging. After some charging cycles I have to admit my battery capacity is "increasing" - well better say, it is getting used to be charged properly. Now I passed 7 full charging cycles, but after 3rd one every next charge had more mA. I started at 3479mAh with full battery, now I ended with 3711mAh - hope it gets even better (I'll be glad for at least 3800, but who knows?). Everytime I tried to charge only when I was below 3%.
I have to say I am using slow charger with 5V and 400mA current. Battery checker from mobile manager was not detecting any issue with this way of charging nor AccuBattery Pro. I also know, that batteries shall be charged only about 80% of its capacity, but I am still sceptical about that rest 20% so I am charging to max everytime.
Hope I helped...
...another time passed and I am back with another results. After a lot chrging cycles I am stuck at between 3500-3700mAh of total capacity. I was searching around whole internet and found out, that phone manufacturers are "decreasing" battery capacity with SW at 90% of total capacity to prolong battery life and avoid battery wear, because everytime you charge the phone, you think you are charging to 100%, but in real you are charging to 90% only - rest of 10% is "hidden" to save your battery life - due to my calculations and testing it might be true. Anybody else had something different, so we can compare it?
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
Hellindros said:
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
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Heres mine so far only a few cycle's in but I've lost quite a bit capacity