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Does anyone know any info?
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jestercing said:
Does anyone know any info?
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Seems pretty unlikely if the Eris has been EOL'ed by VZW.
Big Red has absolutely no business incentive to push a new OS out to phones it no longer sells - what would their upside be?
Frankly, I am amazed (& happy) that Eris owners got 3 updates in 8 months - including a major OS version upgrade. VZW dangled the 2.1 update in front of their customers right from the moment the Eris dropped - but they had an incentive to do so, because they were selling the phone, and trying to recruit new buyers to a new platform (for VZW).
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okay, non leakers have hboot 1.47. leakers have 1.49. the big problem about rooting leakers is that we have no way of downgrading the hboot.
HOWEVER! seeing as 2.2 is essentially a hell of a lot different, if HTC ever gets around to making a 2.2 rom for the eris, they will probably have it on a whole new hboot image (1.50 or greater). now if that is made, then we MIGHT be able to root that. so the best bet for leakers is for htc to make a new hboot image for one reason or another, and we root it.
so:
IF htc makes a new hboot image for the eris will probably happen...
IF they make a froyo rom (not likely)
and IF we can root that...
then leakers might get root sooner or later. but seriously, those are some BIG BIG "IF"'s so dont hold your breath, but also, dont give out on hope.
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okay, non leakers have hboot 1.47. leakers have 1.49. the big problem about rooting leakers is that we have no way of downgrading the hboot.
HOWEVER! seeing as 2.2 is essentially a hell of a lot different, if HTC ever gets around to making a 2.2 rom for the eris, they will probably have it on a whole new hboot image (1.50 or greater). now if that is made, then we MIGHT be able to root that. so the best bet for leakers is for htc to make a new hboot image for one reason or another, and we root it.
so:
IF htc makes a new hboot image for the eris will probably happen...
IF they make a froyo rom (not likely)
and IF we can root that...
then leakers might get root sooner or later. but seriously, those are some BIG BIG "IF"'s so dont hold your breath, but also, dont give out on hope.
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wouldnt a higher hboot just make it harder for us to root?
Nikolai2.1 said:
wouldnt a higher hboot just make it harder for us to root?
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New hboot means potential new bugs, resurfacing of old bugs, or perhaps another leaked root.
New doesn't always mean it's better/stronger, new is opportunity.
Marisa said:
New hboot means potential new bugs, resurfacing of old bugs, or perhaps another leaked root.
New doesn't always mean it's better/stronger, new is opportunity.
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QFT.
also, there's now a root (somewhat...) for 1.49'ers so that might get it for you.
sprint just said the hero will not get 2.2....... doesn't look good for an official froyo
So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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If HTC gives us what they promised we will merely have a bootloader that is not cryptographically signed. That's it. No root. no s=off. Nothing else.
I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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If HTC is willing to play ball on our terms I think it only fair that we play ball on their terms.
...even though I think it is ridiculous.
In fact, without access to a custom recovery and ability to flash whatever I want I'm afraid of screwing up my phone in a way that I can't fix.....someone had a thread earlier about setting 'compatibility mode' off in Spare Parts causing bootloops and a factory reset didn't fix it. I've been there before but I had multiple avenues of recourse...right now I would have nothing I could do to fix that.
Granted, I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with the problem, but, the point remains.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
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I've been following this pretty closely for, well, about a month now...I've never heard anything spelled out specifically detailing it in this way.
However I have wondered the entire time what "unlock" means to HTC. We were only asking for the bootloader to not be crypto-signed, though that still means that we need to find an exploit...meaning we asked for open access to...well...more hacking of their software? If they are willing to take the biggest block out of the way, why not the whole kit and kaboodle? So I could see them (rightly) interpreting all of the "unlock bootloadar" demands to mean "give us unrestricted access to everything we need", though the cynic inside me also considered that they would stick to only offering the most specific thing they could--what we asked for. If they are really going to crack these phones wide open for us that really is a monumental statement...it could very well change the direction of this industry (for the better...for the consumer)...
...though that would blow my mind.
Anyone who really wants S-off and root, should definately not take the OTA updates. I've been down this road in the past with other devices. I have a lot more faith in our dev community unlocking this phone then I do in HTC. Just my thoughts.....
Okay, so I've been with android since the G1, I've had a G2, and now I have the Amaze 4G, and with each new phone I've become more and more of a flashaholic. So I'm mostly familiar with the processes to root and flash android devices.
My issue is that I'm not familiar enough with what I'm actually doing to know whether or not I should go ahead and root my Amaze.
I've read through the discussions trying to make heads or tails of what the consequences are for doing it now instead of waiting, bit I'm not having much luck.
So, question: What exactly would I be giving up by rooting now vs waiting? I know it voids the warranty with htc, but does that also cause issues with my insurance plan from T-Mobile if I were to need a replacement? Will rooting now remove any chances of obtaining full s- off in the future?
Thanks for the help. I'm pretty sure this is my first post (lurker here) so if I'm in the wrong place or something, go easy on me. Haha.
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I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with s-off. I know it may take a while but will be worth it.
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
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Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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xboarder,
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, if someone uses the htcdev unlock but then in the future, a locked bootloader is needed for a S-OFF exploit, can't we use the RUU you posted in the dev forum to re-lock it?
I mean, it won't reset the warranty, but shouldn't it re-lock the bootloader?
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Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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That was what I gathered as well. From reading all the posts I could find on it, everyone was saying something about S-Off and "Everything S-Off" were different things. Something about S-Off from the HTC unlocker only allows you to change roms and not kernels or radios or something. One guy (I can't find the post unfortunately) said that if you unlock it with the HTC tool, you will never be able to unlock it the rest of the way (everything s-off) so that you can customize the rest of the things. Then again though, I've seen others saying the opposite. Let me know if I'm not making sense. I can try to find the posts where I read this.
I'm not taking any chances.. I'll wait for s-off then root this bad boy.. so far I haven't had any problems with the stock Rom..
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You can relock I just figured this out a ruu can't be flashed unless you have a locked boot loader how you relock hmm
The relock zip I have so you can still get s off when it comes
And ps to the end users why you need s off any ways?
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Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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Im not quite sure thats how it works, man, because if you officially void your warranty, Tmo and Assurion will know about that, make sure... i mean these are big companies that leave nothing to chance (especially insurance companies), so its a common sense to think that when it comes to the most expensive Tmo android smartphone right now, htc has a way of warning them about warranty voids! So even if you call saying youve lost it or got stolen, assurion may decline your request based on that... I wouldnt take the risk and will patiently wait till another way of unlocking the bootloader comes out, not involving htc... hopefully... you just keep up the great work, man, cheers!
Edit: Just found asurions insurance form, where under Exclusions says:
This insurance does not apply to loss or damage caused by or resulting from any of the following:
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i. Programming, Repair Work
Programming, cleaning, adjusting, repairing, modifying, or performing any other work upon Covered Property.
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http://www.phoneclaim.com/documents/MetroPCS/Terms-And-Conditions-New-York.pdf
Hope that sheds more light on this issue
My understanding, and maybe I'm being ubernoob, was that you needed to have S-OFF to COMPLETELY get rid of Sense. Beastmod comes close to the AOSP I want, but it still has the sense dialer and I hate it. (Unless I am misunderstanding and the sense dialer was included as a matter of preference, rather than necessity.)
Ideally, I'd like to be able to load Cyanogen if it ever becomes available but right now it's not that big of a deal. ICS would be nice, but that's so far down the line I'm not too concerned.
If I can get rid of ALL sense (maybe keep the camera apk), and have a stock, unmodified AOSP with no bloat, I'll be happy, but I don't want to jump on that if it screws my ability to flash CM.
U can still flash cm7 trust me and beastmod I tried a lot to get Sodom dialer but no able to would have to re do full framework but no source hard to redo framework
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Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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TheSneakerWhore said:
Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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They are around...just not like the old days. Still deving here and there.
\Fauk, I miss my G1.
\\Still have it, not so working anymore
Binary100100 said:
Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
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Good call - duh, why didn't I think of that? lol
I unlocked and rooted pretty much AS SOON as the threads were posted but then I read you would not be able to S-off. Kinda started sweating bullets because I know just being bootloader unlocked can limit how much you can modify/flash.
But "losing" my phone is doable lol if/when S-off is achieved and the htc dev unlock screwed us
So to answer the op's question - i LOVE my rooted Amaze. The two ROMs available by xboarder are awesome alternatives to stock and since you say you've had root before then you know all the cool things that come with the territory (removing bloat/crapware, root capable apps, etc)
Just do it already
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wow lol even in this thread I'm confused.
1. Is S-off method that is out now reversable?
2. Are current methods enough to have a full AOSP ICS rom?
The previous poster indicated sense remains in one way or the other with current method.
Hey guys just wondering if any devs have stated that they are working on achieving s-off for the evo lte?
" Is there any devs working on achieving s-off? "
*Are* there any devs working on achieving s-off?
please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
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please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
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Me personally, I was wondering the same. We don't need it but I, just as I'm sure there are others out there, would prefer not to go the HTCdev route. It's really just a simple question the OP asked. If you don't know don't answer, or say "I don't know". I don't know. I had heard there were some people working on it but I haven't seen anything in quite a while. Me, I want CM9. I haven't rooted yet and I was hoping that at some point in the near future we'd have s-off and a fully working CM9. If CM9 comes before s-off I'll do the HTCdev.
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please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
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Well to unlock the bootloader without htc knowing.
Isn't also easier to flash kernals through recovery,flash radios and firmware through the bootloader,without having to relock the bootloader and updating the device and then unlocking the device again?
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Well to unlock the bootloader without htc knowing.
Isn't also easier to flash kernals through recovery,flash radios and firmware through the bootloader,without having to relock the bootloader and updating the device and then unlocking the device again?
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It has been stated many times you don't need to be s-off to flash kernels, radios, splash screens, etc... basically the LTE with HTC unlock can do everything with s-on that a phone can do with s-off.
Back on topic, I was wondering the same but haven't asked (just waiting on the sidelines..) I would rather not go the HTC unlock route, but I'll probably do it just because at this point you can do it all with HTC dev unlock
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It has been stated many times you don't need to be s-off to flash kernels, radios, splash screens, etc... basically the LTE with HTC unlock can do everything with s-on that a phone can do with s-off.
Back on topic, I was wondering the same but haven't asked (just waiting on the sidelines..) I would rather not go the HTC unlock route, but I'll probably do it just because at this point you can do it all with HTC dev unlock
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Well I agree,but at this point it's about voiding my warranty,and also i used the evo lte for about five days with terrible 3G speeds and no 4g lte here in Miami,Florida,so I reactivated my evo 3d until there is 4g lte because there is WiMAX here.
there could be devs working on it, but without announcing anything until it's ready, just so they don't have to deal with the usual ETA questions
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there could be devs working on it, but without announcing anything until it's ready, just so they don't have to deal with the usual ETA questions
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That's what I was thinking. I remember with the 3D and the 1.5hboot I didn't see anything about progress until it was done (I also wasn't looking for it because I had a 1.4, s-off, launch day phone). I think it will come in time, I'm not too worried though because there's always HTCdev to fall back on.
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Hey guys just wondering if any devs have stated that they are working on achieving s-off for the evo lte?
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Any true dev wouldn't be wasting time trying to achieve S-off when the HTC unlock works fine. I rather have devs achieving good roms then wasting time on S-off just so "HTC wouldn't know"
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Any true dev wouldn't be wasting time trying to achieve S-off when the HTC unlock works fine. I rather have devs achieving good roms then wasting time on S-off just so "HTC wouldn't know"
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Of course they would its all about hacking devices and the thrill of achieving what's not given to us.
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Of course they would its all about hacking devices and the thrill of achieving what's not given to us.
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Why don't you wait around and find out, while I flash ROMS.
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i'd to see the dreadful warning on my splash to be gone. that alone would worth s-off
I decided to do some extensive research on the following questions and while some were answered, most weren't.
For those of you who may or may not remember the good ol' days with the htc hero..where one click roots were common. Apps like z4root plunged me into the fantastic world of rooting. Now rooting is much more difficult, as I have come to determine with other sources. I am eligible for an upgrade and am going to get the HTC Evo 4G LTE. I would like to root it but keep the original stock rom as it has all these awesome features that come along with it. Unfortunately I heard that you can't get OTA software updates while rooted. I don't know if this means it just won't allow me to do it or if it'll brick my phone trying. This is an issue I haven't come across before as I had the HTC hero and it no longer received software updates. I did however see that some people said developers offer these updates with some additional features right out of the box. Does that mean people will be having sense roms perfected so to speak when the OTA software updates come out? Because that then leaves me with the question of having to unroot my phone. On another note z4root claims to be able to unroot phones instantly no matter how you rooted it. I really do want to root it because I'd like to take advantage of the apparent good features of sense...while deleting that annoying bloatware and having wifi tether. Until that EVO then gets to a point of dinasaur speed..at which I am fully ready to jump into Cyanogenmod. They have truly won me over. So just wondering if this is possible. Please feel free to correct any noob mistakes or wrong information as I am learning and need to continue to do so. Oh and last thing...if it's true that developers will be taking sense roms and adding stuff into it so people like me can have those new updates with root still..where would I go about finding such updates? Websites..etc. Thank you!
If you want to root it you can do it through HTC or go for s-off depending on your hboot.
Either way after an ota comes out there will be the updated stock from posted here if you want to get the updates. With HTC dev to unlock you get relocked if you take the ota's.
S-off you never want to take ota's as it may change your hboot and you may lose your ability for s-off in the future.
Also check out the stickies at the top of the forums for info on rooting the evo lte.
Naters
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I decided to do some extensive research on the following questions and while some were answered, most weren't.
For those of you who may or may not remember the good ol' days with the htc hero..where one click roots were common. Apps like z4root plunged me into the fantastic world of rooting. Now rooting is much more difficult, as I have come to determine with other sources. I am eligible for an upgrade and am going to get the HTC Evo 4G LTE. I would like to root it but keep the original stock rom as it has all these awesome features that come along with it. Unfortunately I heard that you can't get OTA software updates while rooted. I don't know if this means it just won't allow me to do it or if it'll brick my phone trying. This is an issue I haven't come across before as I had the HTC hero and it no longer received software updates. I did however see that some people said developers offer these updates with some additional features right out of the box. Does that mean people will be having sense roms perfected so to speak when the OTA software updates come out? Because that then leaves me with the question of having to unroot my phone. On another note z4root claims to be able to unroot phones instantly no matter how you rooted it. I really do want to root it because I'd like to take advantage of the apparent good features of sense...while deleting that annoying bloatware and having wifi tether. Until that EVO then gets to a point of dinasaur speed..at which I am fully ready to jump into Cyanogenmod. They have truly won me over. So just wondering if this is possible. Please feel free to correct any noob mistakes or wrong information as I am learning and need to continue to do so. Oh and last thing...if it's true that developers will be taking sense roms and adding stuff into it so people like me can have those new updates with root still..where would I go about finding such updates? Websites..etc. Thank you!
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Lot of different questions compacted into that large paragraph. Not clear on which questions you want answered and in what priority. I'll do my best to throw out some answers.
First, comparing the EVO LTE to the Hero will result in a bit of confusion. If z4root worked on the Hero, then the Hero did not have write protected internal memory. In the world of security, otherwise known as methods to prevent root access, internal memory write protection is one of the more complicated methods used on modern cell phones. Due to the complexity of the internal memory write protection, there are very few people and groups capable of reverse engineering and bypassing this security, which is why there aren't very many tools, usually only one or two. Prior to this internal memory write protection, back in the z4root days, methods of gaining root access were much simpler.
Now, to the modern day HTC devices with the internal memory locked down. HTC offers and official tool, after many users requested, that allows *most* of the internal memory to be unlocked and root access gained. There are some 3rd party methods of internally unlocking the memory, but these are rare due to the required complexity.
In regards to applying OTA updates, other than the internal memory locking controlled by the bootloader, as mentioned above, OTA updates have charged relatively little to the days of the Hero. All OTA updates remove root access, but in a very simple manner by changing permissions. This can easily be restored. On the other hand, HTC OTA updates sometimes will update the bootloader, which can have the impact of relocking the internal memory, or patching a 3rd party memory unlock solution.
All frustrations with gaining root access should be directed at the carrier and manufacturer as they have intentionally devoted time and labor to developing these methods and they are the only parties with the power to directly change the process.
Hope that information helps fill in a few gaps on the changes that have occurred from the Hero to the EVO LTE in regards to root access/security!
Wow you guys are fast I think e everything was answered. But now I have two new ones. So I can root it through HTC..could you please explain how I would go about doing this? Do I just send it to them asking them to root it? And as for the updating without having to unroot it developers will post like SENSE with additional out of the box stuff here I just gotta find it .
THANKS!!!
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Wow you guys are fast I think e everything was answered. But now I have two new ones. So I can root it through HTC..could you please explain how I would go about doing this? Do I just send it to them asking them to root it? And as for the updating without having to unroot it developers will post like SENSE with additional out of the box stuff here I just gotta find it .
THANKS!!!
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Go there and you can use the tool to unlock. As previous user posted, it allows most, NOT all, of the internal storage/memory/partitions to be written to.
You will void your warranty with HTC doing this though, however, most sprint stores from what I have read, don't know that you used the tool to unlock unless they specifically check for it in the HBOOT.
If you are on the 1.13 software, then, you can use the LazyPanda method to root and obtain full S-OFF (all paritions unlocked). If on 1.22, your only option at this point is to use the official HTC dev unlock method.
If you are on 1.15 use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690919
Its HTC dev unlock and all completely automated. It will unlock your phone, put on a custom recovery, and root teh stock ROM
If you have 1.13 run lazy landa to S-OFF
Thanks guys will do!