[Q] rooting? AND gingerbread 2.3.4?? - Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

what does exactly "rooting" means?? m new to android so don't knw lots of things.
does that mean hacking the phone??
what is the use or advantages of rooting??
and i heard that gingerbread's new version has come in the market. how should i update my current 2.3.3 version with 2.3.4??

shantanuparadkar said:
what does exactly "rooting" means?? m new to android so don't knw lots of things.
does that mean hacking the phone??
what is the use or advantages of rooting??
and i heard that gingerbread's new version has come in the market. how should i update my current 2.3.3 version with 2.3.4??
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(1) Looks like you didn't bother watching that registration video. ( SEE #2 )
(2) Please use the search functions of this forum and possibly of Google as this question "What is rooting, whats it mean....etc..." has already been answered.
(3) Please note that 2.3.3 is currently the only official release for the S2 at this time all other versions are simply leaked or test versions.
(4) I am also new to this and the best way to learn is to search previously answered questions.
(5) Cant stress this one enough. Any modifications to your phone will VOID THE WARRANTY depending is the stock files are available and if you got the jig you may be able to restore it to stock but this is no guarantee so be forewarned!

shantanuparadkar said:
what does exactly "rooting" means?? m new to android so don't knw lots of things.
does that mean hacking the phone??
what is the use or advantages of rooting??
and i heard that gingerbread's new version has come in the market. how should i update my current 2.3.3 version with 2.3.4??
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Use google and read up on rooting. Understand what it means and then come back, root the damn thing and become a flash addict.
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kirdroid said:
Use google and read up on rooting. Understand what it means and then come back, root the damn thing and become a flash addict.
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Lol yeah I'm noticing that with myself, initially I rooted it to unlock it from the sim lock...lil now i'm reading up on roms.
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Go0gle is your friend,

Yup,m doing that only
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1125282
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065995
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how fast will be 2.3.3 rooted

How long do you think until we have a way to root without having to flash a pre-rooted ROM... i am waiting to get titanium backup installed i saw wolfbreaks rom after i already upgraded so waiting waiting..
R u a troll?
There has been a root for 2.3 for over a day now.
Use the SEARCH
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Just Flash back to 2.1 vis Flashtool, root it, install xrecovery and follow Wolfbreaks instructions to get a working 2.3.3 rooted ROM.
Dude it's already rooted. There are rooted roms available. You should be dreaming lol
Willey1986 said:
Just Flash back to 2.1 vis Flashtool, root it, install xrecovery and follow Wolfbreaks instructions to get a working 2.3.3 rooted ROM.
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?? I just want to root, no flashing other ROM.. hw can i root it...
waiting.........
Not possible. If you want root you have to reflash atm.
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I'm still waiting for an updated tool to root this; with 2.1 I've had serious issues with X10i software on my X10a hardware and I'm not wasting my time with X10i this time.
That means when X10a is available, I need to root it. So far, only X10i is available pre-rooted.
I wouldnt of thought it will be too long till one of the devs work it out, im not sure how the pre-rooted ones work, and is a little more faffing around that id like at the moment, plus im quite happy with the bog standard 2.3.3, just want to restore my apps and stuff really
I don't think devs would root it, no point. Pre rooted roms work great.
DLpnd said:
I don't think devs would root it, no point. Pre rooted roms work great.
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well not everyone wants a generic rom, or one from another region, some people prefer certain roms, such as their operator roms and for people in the US some of them have problems with the X10i roms, and as such are stuck with the 10a roms or something like that, so thats where the seperate root comes into its own, as people can choose when they want to root.
KnightUK said:
well not everyone wants a generic rom, or one from another region, some people prefer certain roms, such as their operator roms and for people in the US some of them have problems with the X10i roms, and as such are stuck with the 10a roms or something like that, so thats where the seperate root comes into its own, as people can choose when they want to root.
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Look, It's possible to get a stock pre-rooted 2.3 onto our phones so looking for a way to directly root 2.3.3+ is a waist of time for our devices. You won't find any devs trying to root 2.3.3+ unless they are trying to gain root access on a device that can't be downgraded to an older version that there is a known rooting exploit for.
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nikhilonikhil said:
?? I just want to root, no flashing other ROM.. hw can i root it...
waiting.........
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Best of luck finding an exploit!!!
rageagainstthecage doesnt work
psneuter doesnt work
gingerbreak doesnt work
If u are lucky in few months MAY BE a new exploit might be discovered...
As for "operator customizations" u can flash ur regions fw then take a system dump and keep adding operator customized files on the prerooted roms...
P.S.: why is this question thread posted in dev section?
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BingoRingo said:
I'm still waiting for an updated tool to root this; with 2.1 I've had serious issues with X10i software on my X10a hardware and I'm not wasting my time with X10i this time.
That means when X10a is available, I need to root it. So far, only X10i is available pre-rooted.
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I'm an X10a owner currently running Wolf's X10i ROM. I'm a Roger's customer to boot. There isn't a single thing wrong with running the X10i firmware. Personally I've never ever experienced issues with anything X10i related. Give it a shot! My phone is ridiculously fast and doesn't have a single issue. The battery life alone is worth the jump. I've been on my phone all day reapplying settings/apps/etc and I just now hit under 50% battery. That's over 10 hours of consistent use.
shoby said:
R u a troll?
There has been a root for 2.3 for over a day now.
Use the SEARCH
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shoby dont give me a smug answer i searched before posting if you dont know the answer then dont answer it period.
dhruvaz said:
shoby dont give me a smug answer i searched before posting if you dont know the answer then dont answer it period.
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Maybe the problem wasn't his answer, it was your question?
You asked how long it would take for 2.3.3 to be rooted. As he responded, it already is. Looking at the first page in this section of the forums shows that very clearly as there are numerous ROM postings that clearly state "Rooted".
Perhaps a better question would have been "How long do you think until we have a way to root without having to flash a pre-rooted ROM?"
nekkidtruth said:
Maybe the problem wasn't his answer, it was your question?
You asked how long it would take for 2.3.3 to be rooted. As he responded, it already is. Looking at the first page in this section of the forums shows that very clearly as there are numerous ROM postings that clearly state "Rooted".
Perhaps a better question would have been "How long do you think until we have a way to root without having to flash a pre-rooted ROM?"
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fine i get it i will change my question. then

downgrading to 2.3 to be able to root and go to ICS?

Hello,
Have done some searches and I just wanted to see if this is right as my Note was rooted with Gingerbread 2.3 and I stupidly upgraded with Kies to the official AT&T ICS software and lost my root. I have just a few questions.
Would the only way to get a rooted stock ICS rom on the phone (such as those available in the forum) be to downgrade to Gingerbread and root (which I have done before) then install one of the custom "stock" roms to have ICS but have root access? Or am I completely out of luck on rooting a stock ICS Note?
If so, could someone direct me to the thread with downgrading to gingerbread, as a search has not helped me to find instructions for doing so, and with all of the information on this site, I believe it has to be there and that I a just missing it?
Feel free to delete my post if I am completely lost and have posted erroneously in the wrong forum or anything to that effect.
myke nytemare said:
Hello,
Have done some searches and I just wanted to see if this is right as my Note was rooted with Gingerbread 2.3 and I stupidly upgraded with Kies to the official AT&T ICS software and lost my root. I have just a few questions.
Would the only way to get a rooted stock ICS rom on the phone (such as those available in the forum) be to downgrade to Gingerbread and root (which I have done before) then install one of the custom "stock" roms to have ICS but have root access? Or am I completely out of luck on rooting a stock ICS Note?
If so, could someone direct me to the thread with downgrading to gingerbread, as a search has not helped me to find instructions for doing so, and with all of the information on this site, I believe it has to be there and that I a just missing it?
Feel free to delete my post if I am completely lost and have posted erroneously in the wrong forum or anything to that effect.
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Root with odin like you would on gb but on ICS. Just try the cm9 roms though, it will change your life
You do not need to downgrade to GB to root. What you need to do is boot the phone into download mode, and use Odin to flash a custom recovery (such as CWM). Once you have the custom recovery flashed, you can boot into recovery mode and flash the Superuser or Supersu zip file to give you root. Using this method is the most foolproof way.
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and, you would get better answers if you would post a question in the Q&A thread, not in general...
Look in the custom rom section of this loser's thread...he is such a loser...make sure you flame the hell out of him, but here is his link....
go the custom rom section...you will the awesome ics offical already root...and debloated, and one thread has the pure virgin stock ics ....blah blah blah....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740367
myke nytemare said:
Hello,
Have done some searches and I just wanted to see if this is right as my Note was rooted with Gingerbread 2.3 and I stupidly upgraded with Kies to the official AT&T ICS software and lost my root. I have just a few questions.
Would the only way to get a rooted stock ICS rom on the phone (such as those available in the forum) be to downgrade to Gingerbread and root (which I have done before) then install one of the custom "stock" roms to have ICS but have root access? Or am I completely out of luck on rooting a stock ICS Note?
If so, could someone direct me to the thread with downgrading to gingerbread, as a search has not helped me to find instructions for doing so, and with all of the information on this site, I believe it has to be there and that I a just missing it?
Feel free to delete my post if I am completely lost and have posted erroneously in the wrong forum or anything to that effect.
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i can't stand bigjoe. he is such a tool.
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Why, because he shamelessly promotes his own rom with every chance he gets? Ya that sounds about right.
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Me tooo...
xshaftx said:
i can't stand bigjoe. he is such a tool.
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jpoirier587 said:
Why, because he shamelessly promotes his own rom with every chance he gets? Ya that sounds about right.
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Think he was kidding...I think...LOL, and I try to promote all...hence the GNote Community thread, with all tools and ROMs and extras...(btw I dont have a ROM, but I do have DD...daily driver for a ROM)
[REF&Road Map]{G-NSET}: Galaxy Note Super Everything Thread (I717)
I will also be features Chef Ramsey dishes and the how to's....
of coarse i was kidding. stupid text and there lack of sounding sarcastic
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xshaftx said:
of coarse i was kidding. stupid text and there lack of sounding sarcastic
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good to go...no worries...
LOL

New to Android

Hello all!
My first post here and expectedly, it's regarding the fundamentals of the Android platform..
I have just gotten a Huawei phone, a Huawei Honor to be specific. It's running on Android 4.1 which is Jellybean right?
Hmmm should I do an upgrade to ICS?
And what's this thing about rooting? Is it an requirement to root my phone?
Thanks for the help, much appreciated
y3kesprit said:
Hello all!
My first post here and expectedly, it's regarding the fundamentals of the Android platform..
I have just gotten a Huawei phone, a Huawei Honor to be specific. It's running on Android 4.1 which is Jellybean right?
Hmmm should I do an upgrade to ICS?
And what's this thing about rooting? Is it an requirement to root my phone?
Thanks for the help, much appreciated
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Android 4.0.x was ICS. The newer version is 4.1.X called jelly beans. So you'd be basically downgrading if you went to ICS.
Rooting is done to allow you adminstrator priveliges in Linux, similar to being an administrator in Windows rather than a standard user. You don't need to be rooted, most of the thing can be done without rooting. However, as you continue to use your device, you will often find apps that require changes in the system, hence their requirement will be to be rooted. Trying out different ROMs, customising it so that your wife/gf doesn't recognise your device will P) require you to root your device. For most devices , its pretty simple to root. However, you will learn as you read through posts and threads, and watch videos. Welcome to the Android world!
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y3kesprit said:
Hello all!
My first post here and expectedly, it's regarding the fundamentals of the Android platform..
I have just gotten a Huawei phone, a Huawei Honor to be specific. It's running on Android 4.1 which is Jellybean right?
Hmmm should I do an upgrade to ICS?
And what's this thing about rooting? Is it an requirement to root my phone?
Thanks for the help, much appreciated
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Yes, 4.1 is Jellybean but ICS is a downgrade. It came before Jellybean so you're better off sticking with JB.
It's not a requirement to root your phone but it's great because it gives you complete control of the phone. More control than the phone companies want us to have.
But I would suggest that you don't concentrate on rooting just yet. I say this because you're new to Android and trying to learn too much too quickly can become really confusing.
Before you even think about being ready to root, use these forums and read up about rooting and you'll learn everything you need to know.
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Check out this [GUIDE] How to be a New User (and not a noob)
Sorry I got it wrong!
My phone, after I did a check, is running 2.3.6, which is Gingerbread right?
Ok thanks for the replies. It was informational
Anyway, if I were to root the phone, every different version has its own process to root right?
For example if I am running 2.3.6, and root it.. After I do a upgrade to ICS, I would have to re-root right? Am I getting this right?
y3kesprit said:
Sorry I got it wrong!
My phone, after I did a check, is running 2.3.6, which is Gingerbread right?
Ok thanks for the replies. It was informational
Anyway, if I were to root the phone, every different version has its own process to root right?
For example if I am running 2.3.6, and root it.. After I do a upgrade to ICS, I would have to re-root right? Am I getting this right?
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Yes that's Gingerbread.
The bit you're wrong about is the rooting bit. Rooting a device doesn't allow you to update to ICS when you couldn't before. If all you want to do is update to ICS then you don't need to root, you just need to look into flashing the device. When flashing it puts a whole different eom, kernel, theme etc onto the device.
You'll be better off looking that up through threads here on XDA or by watching videos on YouTube to show you how to do it. That's how I learnt to do it all.
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KidCarter93 said:
Yes that's Gingerbread.
The bit you're wrong about is the rooting bit. Rooting a device doesn't allow you to update to ICS when you couldn't before. If all you want to do is update to ICS then you don't need to root, you just need to look into flashing the device. When flashing it puts a whole different eom, kernel, theme etc onto the device.
You'll be better off looking that up through threads here on XDA or by watching videos on YouTube to show you how to do it. That's how I learnt to do it all.
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Okay...
So I want to root as well as upgrade to ICS, how should I go about doing it?
I will go do a youtube and forum search now as well
y3kesprit said:
Sorry I got it wrong!
My phone, after I did a check, is running 2.3.6, which is Gingerbread right?
Ok thanks for the replies. It was informational
Anyway, if I were to root the phone, every different version has its own process to root right?
For example if I am running 2.3.6, and root it.. After I do a upgrade to ICS, I would have to re-root right? Am I getting this right?
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That depends. If you root your phone, and YOU perform the upgrade, i.e. you flash a modded rom, 99.9% of the time the dev who created it will add the su(superuser) app into the rom so that you end up flashing the rom and re-rooting your phone in the process.
With that being said, if you happen to receive an OTA update randomly, telling you that android needs to update, and you decide that's what you want to run, flashing that one WILL take away your su privileges. That is due to the fact that these OTA's are pushed out by your phone manufacturer, and what you are trying to do (gain su access) isn't what the manufacturers wants you doing, per say, so THEY don't include the su app. Happy hacking. Number one tip I could give ya: don't b afraid to Google every question, or topic you're interested in. Make Google your best friend.
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y3kesprit said:
Okay...
So I want to root as well as upgrade to ICS, how should I go about doing it?
I will go do a youtube and forum search now as well
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Each device has a different method of rooting and flashing ROMs..... you can check out your device's forum here on xda where I'm sure you'll find a suitable guide to help you out. Happy flashing
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The way I done it was to use the program SuperOneClick (there's a thread for that on here) then a few days later I got ParanoidAndroid flashed on to here (there's a thread for that aswell).
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First steps

So hello there sgs3 community!
I just received my sgs3 yesterday and wanted to know what should i do first with it?
I mean root and etc, could anyone help me with that?
It depends, are you happy with stock firmware?? Only you can decide buddy, its your phone. I rooted mine because their are a lot of good ROMs out their, each with different assets etc, but mainly because I didn't want to be limited on what I can do with my device, but if you want my opinion, I'd root and flash Tamaseks kang of CM10 naked android is always the best p.s make sure you have the international S3 (quad core) before you flash anything in this section because inevitably you will brick your device if you dont. Good luck buddy
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speedyjay said:
It depends, are you happy with stock firmware?? Only you can decide buddy, its your phone. I rooted mine because their are a lot of good ROMs out their, each with different assets etc, but mainly because I didn't want to be limited on what I can do with my device, but if you want my opinion, I'd root and flash Tamaseks kang of CM10 naked android is always the best p.s make sure you have the international S3 (quad core) before you flash anything in this section because inevitably you will brick your device if you dont. Good luck buddy
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Well I live in Lithuania and on the box says that it's quad core
I'm thinking just rooting it...
Is there any bootloaders (like HTC) i have to unlock?
The S3 comes with an unlocked bootloader out of the box but if you know what you're doing, go ahead buddy but make a backup after rooting
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speedyjay said:
The S3 comes with an unlocked bootloader out of the box but if you know what you're doing, go ahead buddy but make a backup after rooting
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I have a question, when I root my s3 (CF-Root v6.4) do I need to install any other recoveries or some other programs (like triangleaway) to flash custom roms?
1st Step : Read the stickies
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Arsaw said:
1st Step : Read the stickies
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They should put that on the box!
edruig said:
I have a question, when I root my s3 (CF-Root v6.4) do I need to install any other recoveries or some other programs (like triangleaway) to flash custom roms?
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Triangle away isn't a recovery, its just an app that erases the flash counter in case you want to send your device to Samsung for repairs because you should know, unauthorized mods void your warranty. CF-Root has a recovery and will be installed upon flashing with Odin
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Heyy,im jumpin in this thread also,got my sgs3 few days ago.
I was an iphone user (poor me) for a long time and started early with jailbreaks etc etc so i know alot about iphone, but this is all new to me and im just starting to get the hang of everything RoMS kernels mods bla bla..
Thinking should i root or not..
anyway my question is when i root my phone is there a how to say switcher between a stock firmware and looks and the other that i put on so if i dont like the new one i just swap and take the stock one?
I know i have to read stickies but there is so much of that and i need a thread from ground up that teaches u. Just got to forum page nr.7
Thanks in advance
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asukaj said:
Heyy,im jumpin in this thread also,got my sgs3 few days ago.
I was an iphone user (poor me) for a long time and started early with jailbreaks etc etc so i know alot about iphone, but this is all new to me and im just starting to get the hang of everything RoMS kernels mods bla bla..
Thinking should i root or not..
anyway my question is when i root my phone is there a how to say switcher between a stock firmware and looks and the other that i put on so if i dont like the new one i just swap and take the stock one?
I know i have to read stickies but there is so much of that and i need a thread from ground up that teaches u. Just got to forum page nr.7
Thanks in advance
Sent from my nokia 3310
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The only way of switching to and from custom and stock, is to root, make a nandroid backup then flash custom firmware. The only downside is that your official firmware will always be rooted, unless you start afresh with Odin hope this helps buddy, welcome btw, good choice in switching from iPhone to S3....you won't regret it
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asukaj said:
Heyy,im jumpin in this thread also,got my sgs3 few days ago.
I was an iphone user (poor me) for a long time and started early with jailbreaks etc etc so i know alot about iphone, but this is all new to me and im just starting to get the hang of everything RoMS kernels mods bla bla..
Thinking should i root or not..
anyway my question is when i root my phone is there a how to say switcher between a stock firmware and looks and the other that i put on so if i dont like the new one i just swap and take the stock one?
I know i have to read stickies but there is so much of that and i need a thread from ground up that teaches u. Just got to forum page nr.7
Thanks in advance
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Once you rooted your phone which also include cwm, you can backup your rom with cwm and flash other rom. If you don't like it, use cwm to restore your previous rom
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Most important: back up EFS! Store it somewhere safe, because if anything goes wrong, you're going to be very happy you've got a backup
See the countless IMEI 00000000 threads
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Hi, I am new to the Atrix :)

Hey all, before I had a Motorola Defy, now I am with an Atrix 4g
My basic question is, what should not do to brick my phone? should I update it? Like I said, I came from a Defy, Defy has a locked bootloader so it is almost impossible to brick it, now I am a little scared with the Atrix hehe. Thanks !
Feche said:
Hey all, before I had a Motorola Defy, now I am with an Atrix 4g
My basic question is, what should not do to brick my phone? should I update it? Like I said, I came from a Defy, Defy has a locked bootloader so it is almost impossible to brick it, now I am a little scared with the Atrix hehe. Thanks !
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you shoudn't flash an sbf file that is not the same as your current version. to update or not to update, that is entirely up to you. if yoh're satisfied with a gb os (2.3.x), don't upgrade. if you want ics (4.0 4) or jb (4.1.x-4.2.2), then update. just unlock the bootloader, root your phone, and enjoy
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palmbeach05 said:
you shoudn't flash an sbf file that is not the same as your current version. to update or not to update, that is entirely up to you. if yoh're satisfied with a gb os (2.3.x), don't upgrade. if you want ics (4.0 4) or jb (4.1.x-4.2.2), then update. just unlock the bootloader, root your phone, and enjoy
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Should I use the updater that is under About phone -> Updates?
Feche said:
Should I use the updater that is under About phone -> Updates?
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you could if you wanted, but most of the updated versions are available through the rom superthread thread in the development section. just be sure to pay attention to carrier specific roms if you chose to use one of them. and i did just see your post in another thread saying that you were on froyo. after seeing that, i would say yes, upgrade your phone to a better os. gb works great, ics and jb work well and will work better now that we have the new kernel, but expect bugs to be present, but they are still very usable roms
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palmbeach05 said:
you could if you wanted, but most of the updated versions are available through the rom superthread thread in the development section. just be sure to pay attention to carrier specific roms if you chose to use one of them. and i did just see your post in another thread saying that you were on froyo. after seeing that, i would say yes, upgrade your phone to a better os. gb works great, ics and jb work well and will work better now that we have the new kernel, but expect bugs to be present, but they are still very usable roms
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Yep, I am currently on Froyo 2.1, it has some lags on lockscreen.
By the way, my phone is unlocked, what rom should I pick up? do you recommend using About phone -> Updates to update it? thanks hehe :good:
How about you do some reading on your own? It's not like the information is not out there. It's all here, in great detail. You just need to read it.
Can you imagine the chaos if every new member decided to skip all the reading and just opened a new thread?
ravilov said:
How about you do some reading on your own? It's not like the information is not out there. It's all here, in great detail. You just need to read it.
Can you imagine the chaos if every new member decided to skip all the reading and just opened a new thread?
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I am sorry, but I did read, it's just not clear..

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