Clearwire says that, while they aren't abandoning wimax, they plan to add LTE Advanced technologies to their existing infrastructure. LTE Advanced, or "true" 4G according to the original 4G designation, allows for download speeds of over 100Mbps.
Not sure how they plan on affording it, but more power to them. I'd love to have a phone, and 4G network, that would download at speeds that high
http://www.androidcentral.com/clearwire-announces-plans-lte-advanced-network-still-committed-wimax
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
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beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
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Hahahaha, that's what I get for thinking about what I wanted to write...
would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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Wimax only, I'm pretty sure.
I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope so too. Just wondering where Clearwire is getting the money to do all this. I could have sworn that they were broke.
Clearwire is heading towards TD-LTE, later upgrading to LTE-Advanced. They are not immediately going towards the latter. Clearwire also didn't chose to use Sprint's Network Vision, short reason being negotiations tactic. Smart move though without Sprint's funding, they are not deploying this network. That subliminal jab at LS shows that they are tight about that move, so the saga continues.......
On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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Yeah, it makes me think that the desire for "LTE" is for nothing more than marketing...cuz WiMAX and LTE on the same frequencies will yield nearly identical results in practical application. I'm a bigger fan of the WiMAX protocol since it's essentially a burly version of WiFi which itself is a very mature protocol...though in everyday use (on the same frequencies, mind you) they have essentially the same results....I'm sure high-up tech guys at Clearwire (and Sprint for that matter) know all about this...and I'd hate to think that management-bloat is so pervasive at such large companies that technical merit would lose out versus some marketoid who thinks that LTE (regardless of implementation) is obvious the thing we need--even if for nothing more than the ability to say the letters L, T and E in advertising.....but perhaps I'm being idealistic.
...but it sure seems like that. WiMAX on Verizons spectrum would spank the **** out of LTE on Sprint/Clearwire's spectrum....the protocol is nearly a moot point...but that really seems lost on these people. I mean, even as a stop-gap measure this seems utterly pointless except for marketing...
This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
iModMM said:
This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
4g is basically useless around Detroit.
Evo3D
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
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I have had the epic since it came out, bought this retail. And still no 4G around me at all! No where near me! Its all the way up in Grand Rapids! There is absolutely no 4G in michigan! I doubt they will have 4G where I live by end of year. And where I live everyone has sprint or verizon! A lot of sprint users! And verizon has 4g lte everywhere around me! they have it everywhere in michigan too! I read sprint has like 68 wimax markets in usa, vzw has more just in MI. SMH sprint, smh!
If people can't tell the difference between WiMax limit of 5MHz, to Clear using 20MHz towards their LTE, then this conversation is dead in the water. It's no comparison when it comes to speeds, and I was already a witness to their real life speeds. Indoor signal should be a little bit better, but 2.5MHz is 2.5MHz. As of right now, Sprint and Clearwire only have a deal on the table for WiMax, which isn't moving. They are not a part of Sprint's Network Vision, so this news doesn't have nothing to do with Sprint and it's subscribers. Sprint is still the only one who didn't officially announce the switch to LTE, and they are dealing with a broke company who can't fend for themselves. They need to completely buy Clearwire before it's too late.
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Has anybody seen 4G expand into their city in the past 4-6 months?
I'm searching the web and can't find any evidence that they are continuing to expand their 4g. I read on a couple web sites/forums that they just need to flip a switch and their existing 4g towers will increase the area they are covering but I can't find any evidence to support that they are actually doing this.
It seems as though Wimax expansion has halted. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
-Thanks, Jack
WiMax 4G dev has come to a slow crawl due to Clearwires $$$$ problems and there new LTE test markets, Clearwire has already started its FCC approval for LTE/WiMax Modems.
For the latest Rollout Coverage News visit
http://corporate.clearwire.com/releases.cfm
Well, looks like I won't see 4G anytime soon.
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Well, looks like I won't see 4G anytime soon.
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Yep pretty much.
Nope WiMax is pretty much dead. Sprint just announced this,
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
Looks like there going a different route with LTE. Clearwire was a great concept but they grew too fast and overstretched themselves.
While Sprint hasn't announced anything, Clear has continued to turn on towers nationwide to avoid the FCC breathing down their necks about not using their licenses.
Best place to look for 4g coverage is www.clear.com/coverage
I think it is complete BS. I dont have 4G in my area and honestly dont think I will within the next 2 years. When I first bought the Evo 4G, I thought I would have 4G within the year. 6 months after purchase I had I feeling it would never make it here. I bought the 3D with no expectations of ever being able to use the 4G on it....it sucks, but its reality
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Nope WiMax is pretty much dead. Sprint just announced this,
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
Looks like there going a different route with LTE. Clearwire was a great concept but they grew too fast and overstretched themselves.
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stop jumping the gun kid... this doesnt mean jack **** for end users...
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Has anybody seen 4G expand into their city in the past 4-6 months?
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Yup, 15 days ago. See this Engadget article and click on Show Press Release. I live in one of those towns (Paramus) but unfortunately I'm on the side of town where I have no Sprint coverage and rely pretty much entirely on the free Airrave they gave me.
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Has anybody seen 4G expand into their city in the past 4-6 months?
I'm searching the web and can't find any evidence that they are continuing to expand their 4g. I read on a couple web sites/forums that they just need to flip a switch and their existing 4g towers will increase the area they are covering but I can't find any evidence to support that they are actually doing this.
It seems as though Wimax expansion has halted. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Just because Sprint doesn't show it on their coverage map doesn't mean there's none in your area. My co-worker makes it a habit to check Clear's coverage map daily. A couple months ago he noticed they had our town (40,000 people) lit up pretty well. Turned on 4G and sho' nuff I was able to connect. It shows up as Sprint and the speeds not bad. Check www.clear.com/coverage
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New Sprint 4G rollout plans
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There's going to be some major announcement this fall.
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There's going to be some major announcement this fall.
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This all sounds good, it all sounded good when Sprint's 4G first rolled out, and I bought the EVO 4G last year. So over a year later and STILL no 4G in all of SC, I mean come on.
Hell, I'd be happy with just GOOD 3g coverage, not 150 kbps crap speeds.
4g rolled out in May here, I couldn't get it inside though, noticed the other day I get a single bar inside now. Clearwire is still rolling it out. Sprint argued with me about 4g being in my area when I upgraded to the 3d.
Download sensorly from the market and use that instead.
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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This all sounds good, it all sounded good when Sprint's 4G first rolled out, and I bought the EVO 4G last year. So over a year later and STILL no 4G in all of SC, I mean come on.
Hell, I'd be happy with just GOOD 3g coverage, not 150 kbps crap speeds.
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'effin A right! Last year, I switched to Sprint and got the Evo 4G with high hopes of getting 4G in my bustling college town in Central VA. Now, over a year later, I've stepped up to the 3D and still don't have reasonable 3G coverage, much less 4G. I'll stick with Sprint a while longer, but this ****'s gotta stop. Big promises only get new customers for so long before they get pissed off and leave.
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'effin A right! Last year, I switched to Sprint and got the Evo 4G with high hopes of getting 4G in my bustling college town in Central VA. Now, over a year later, I've stepped up to the 3D and still don't have reasonable 3G coverage, much less 4G. I'll stick with Sprint a while longer, but this ****'s gotta stop. Big promises only get new customers for so long before they get pissed off and leave.
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AND on top of that, Verizon rolled out their LTE here (I'm just outside Columbia, SC) and my house is in LTE coverage. A buddy of mine has a verizon work phone (droid charge, hes in columbia) he pulls 24 meg down and like 5-6 meg up, from his house. That stuff pisses me off. Sprint was first with 4G, Verizon was late to the game but they've expanded far more than Sprint ever did, and ton's faster and in my area!
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I think it is complete BS. I dont have 4G in my area and honestly dont think I will within the next 2 years. When I first bought the Evo 4G, I thought I would have 4G within the year. 6 months after purchase I had I feeling it would never make it here. I bought the 3D with no expectations of ever being able to use the 4G on it....it sucks, but its reality
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I think its still rolling, just slowly. I used to never get 4g at work, I now get it with solid signal.
I still am leaning towards the LTE being for voice over LTE. A few weeks ago they had a bunch of positions open up specifically to set up a voice over lte network, that was the whole point of the jobs.
I've been waiting on 4G since the day the OG evo came out, I bought it thinking I'd eventually have it, if not a year, then by the end of my contract.
Fast forward to today, I have an Evo 3D and still no 4G. But now the town over has 4G, and it's not the biggest or most crowded town, but what I don't understand is why they didn't turn 4G on in the metropolitan town of Springfield MA, instead of west springfield? There's gotta be way more sprint users in Springfield, and I'm there everyday.
Verizon's LTE is looking better and better everyday. If they get a superphone like the Evo 3D or the Sensation, I might just switch. Especially since Sprint can never seem to bill me properly
This is what's Going to happen.
Sprint Invested Heavily with Clearwire they own 51% + market share
Sprint Just invested in LightSquared with a 15year Deal
Clearwire has been rumored to switch to LTE when the market required it.
Dan Hesse 4g Announcement This Fall.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/19/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-big-4g-announcements-coming-this-fall/
Clearwire Switch to LTE will be announced this Fall.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/06/clearwire.talks.about.lte.switchover.with.sprint/
So what does that Entail, Clearwire / Lightsquared for LTE network.
Clear to switch over current market to LTE, w/ the option of wimax as a backup.
Lightsqaured to pick up the slack in the currently missing markets to fill the void
i seen on androidcentral big V is flippingon 15 new cities and expanding 10 more
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-flipping-4g-lte-switch-tomorrow-15-more-cities-expanding-10
its sad sprint was the first in the 4g market and now i think they are dead last i understand clearwire has had cash problems. sad 4g was stated to be flipped on in my city on launch day now its pushed back to WHO THE F**K KNOWS
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i seen on androidcentral big V is flippingon 15 new cities and expanding 10 more
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-flipping-4g-lte-switch-tomorrow-15-more-cities-expanding-10
its sad sprint was the first in the 4g market and now i think they are dead last i understand clearwire has had cash problems. sad 4g was stated to be flipped on in my city on launch day now its pushed back to WHO THE F**K KNOWS
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well, VZ is in a much better financial situation than Sprint/Clear. Im glad they are switching to LTE though. Wimax stinks
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well, VZ is in a much better financial situation than Sprint/Clear. Im glad they are switching to LTE though. Wimax stinks
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yea but who knows when the lte will be out and rocking if i didnt have a great deal with sprint i would have jumped but 4 phones unlimted everything for under 200 a month i just can't leave that lol
I'd rather pay less and deal with decent 3g than pay what Verizon charges for every little random thing.
I can watch Netflix while sitting at the park, or browse while listing to chronix radio, Im not trying to beat a missle in download speeds here lol.
The equipment is up already so it'll be fast. That's the last worry I have. I just hope we don't go through a year of only lte netbooks & data cards before we see the phones.
My Wimax speed is fine, I just want better range & wall penetration for when I'm at the office.
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I'd rather pay less and deal with decent 3g than pay what Verizon charges for every little random thing.
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id agree fully IF i had decent 3g speeds lol 2 towers have been fubar for about 9 months in my area and sprint's not in any big hurry to fix it seems
Until very recently VZW also made you choose 4g and an old phone or 3g and a new phone. Droid 3 3g only work phone FTL.
Makes me wish I had switched to Verizon. I have my little brother rolling around the house bragging about his 4g all the time. Pisses me off
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Yeah my buddy brags all the time about his speeds
E3D
This is the second time they've expanded service here in Atlanta. I noticed it when I was up around spaghetti junction that I actually had LTE on my TB damn near to Rome. Folks thought VZW was playin when they said they're going to have their whole 3G network covered in LTE by 2013.
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I'd rather pay less and deal with decent 3g than pay what Verizon charges for every little random thing.
I can watch Netflix while sitting at the park, or browse while listing to chronix radio, Im not trying to beat a missle in download speeds here lol.
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Hell for many of us the 3G isnt even decent.
its not wimax that sucks
wimax>lte
its the frequency and backhaul that sucks which wimax has nothing to with.
kinda like 3g in that you don't blame 3g, you blame sprint. same concept
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its not wimax that sucks
wimax>lte
its the frequency and backhaul that sucks which wimax has nothing to with.
kinda like 3g in that you don't blame 3g, you blame sprint. same concept
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Well clear sucks that seems to be more fitting.
NewZJ said:
its not wimax that sucks
wimax>lte
its the frequency and backhaul that sucks which wimax has nothing to with.
kinda like 3g in that you don't blame 3g, you blame sprint. same concept
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ehhh lets not start a debate here, but LTE is superior to Wimax, which is why all the major carriers are using it and or about to. (sprint)
The inherent flaw with Wimax is the frequency it uses, BUT isnt dependant on Sprint. Clearwire modems have the same trouble penetrating buildings and stuff like that because of the high frequency. TRUE wimax could be theoretically better, but LTE is more practical in real world usage because of the lower frequency it uses, which is better when it comes to range and penetration.
The variable here is the LTE network on VZ has barely been tapped into. Who knows what real world speeds will come when it finally gets saturated with 4G users.
So as of RIGHT NOW. LTE is beating out Wimax...Dan Hesse has admitted it
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ehhh lets not start a debate here, but LTE is superior to Wimax, which is why all the major carriers are using it and or about to. (sprint)
The inherent flaw with Wimax is the frequency it uses, BUT isnt dependant on Sprint. Clearwire modems have the same trouble penetrating buildings and stuff like that because of the high frequency. TRUE wimax could be theoretically better, but LTE is more practical in real world usage because of the lower frequency it uses, which is better when it comes to range and penetration.
The variable here is the LTE network on VZ has barely been tapped into. Who knows what real world speeds will come when it finally gets saturated with 4G users.
So as of RIGHT NOW. LTE is beating out Wimax...Dan Hesse has admitted it
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My LTE speeds have actually gotten faster since I got my TB. Got a bump after the outage and again after the first expansion. I'm yet to go below 18 MB/sec and average around 22-25. AND I got it while the data was still unlimited.
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My LTE speeds have actually gotten faster since I got my TB. Got a bump after the outage and again after the first expansion. I'm yet to go below 18 MB/sec and average around 22-25. AND I got it while the data was still unlimited.
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holy ****!! the fastest Ive gotten on Sprint was about 8-10MB/s. When I was on Tmobile i was getting between 7-14.
My buddy avg's 20 megs down on his Thunderbolt. Also I didn't make this thread to start a fight over what's better. Just found it sad how slloow they are moving
E3D
Yeah makes me wish I would have switched to Verizon the day before they implemented the data caps. I had called up a Verizon business rep and everything, but I couldn't justify the huge price increase.
i wish i could say that i dont care about 4g because 3g is ok, but 3g blows just as hard as 4g in my area (ok not AS bad, i literally dont get 4g here) but my 3g speeds generally range from 5-40kbps and usually get almost no upload at all. even with getting a good price on my plan, sub dial up speeds is literally ridiculous.
Lmao My dad brags about the data speeds (Verizon) over sprint. I said so what do you want a cookie? If I wanted to be on Verizon Id be on Verizon. He dropped it after that.
While not Evo 3D related, sprint is moving forward with their Network Vision plan. Everyone has to start somewhere.
http://www.goodandevo.net/2011/12/f...int-marks-major-network-vision-milestone.html
I hope this means good things for me. I'm about an hour drive north of where they started with lte
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this is great because Sprint has so many LTE phones to choose from.
Hopefully the deployment will go much better than the joke that was the deployment of Wimax.
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Hopefully the deployment will go much better than the joke that was the deployment of Wimax.
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Yeah, hope they keep their promise of every customer having LTE by 2013. Haha
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This is saddening yet joyful
t3project said:
this is great because Sprint has so many LTE phones to choose from.
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bwahahahahahaahahaha
This is why I'm waiting until long after my renewal upgrade is available (march) to re-sign. I'd be an idiot to waste my upgrade on a phone that can't take advantage of the coming upgraded tech. I'm hoping my 3D is only going to be needed for 6mths or so.
The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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That would be awesome.
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That would be awesome.
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Too bad it's totally false. It's either going to be a WiMax device or an LTE device (for 4G phones.)
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The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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I'm with you on that one, Slim. I switched to Sprint 18 months ago (EVO 4G) on the promise of 4G. Now, my bustling college town 100 miles from DC STILL doesn't have Wimax, 3G is STILL a joke here and there's no way I can reasonably expect LTE to be implemented here for at least another year or so. Oh yeah, and voice coverage is so bad that walking inside a one-story brick building, my office, routinely causes dropped calls.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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read up much? obv not....
WiMax was up well before Sprint had a WiMax phone b/c Clearwire had WiMax up and was doing nothing but data plans for people.
Regardless of History the VP Sprint has already stated many times their first LTE phone will come around 2nd half of 2012. Lately being more specific he said it looks like 3rd qtr of 2012.
You can say what you want about their lack of wimax in cities after saying they would have it but i bet you wont find where the VP was stating wimax would be in city X by time X and then they failed to comply. Most of the claims of wimax coming to city X's are from sprint reps which we all know is complete crap. All the other statements are very general.
LTE phone will be on sprints network next year i guarantee it, willing to bet whatever you want on that. The WiMax rollout is completely different than the LTE rollout. LTE already has its suppliers signed up and set to roll out in their respective sections of the US. On top of that they have Lightsquared coming in too doing their LTE, and then in future after 2015 you have Clearwire going LTE.
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LOL, right?
I manage to live in this pocket of the bay area that technology has forgot. I don't get it. There's almost literally money falling out of trees here (or, off of vines, I suppose ) but the technology is SO far behind in every way.
Next time I move I will be paying a LOT more attention to the technology aspect of where I am going. I won't be holding my breath expecting to get LTE here by 2013, and probably no where near then.
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read up much? obv not....
WiMax was up well before Sprint had a WiMax phone b/c Clearwire had WiMax up and was doing nothing but data plans for people.
Regardless of History the VP Sprint has already stated many times their first LTE phone will come around 2nd half of 2012. Lately being more specific he said it looks like 3rd qtr of 2012.
You can say what you want about their lack of wimax in cities after saying they would have it but i bet you wont find where the VP was stating wimax would be in city X by time X and then they failed to comply. Most of the claims of wimax coming to city X's are from sprint reps which we all know is complete crap. All the other statements are very general.
LTE phone will be on sprints network next year i guarantee it, willing to bet whatever you want on that. The WiMax rollout is completely different than the LTE rollout. LTE already has its suppliers signed up and set to roll out in their respective sections of the US. On top of that they have Lightsquared coming in too doing their LTE, and then in future after 2015 you have Clearwire going LTE.
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IIRC, Clearwire LTE "hotspots" will be available in 2013.
I am also certain that the first LTE phone will available in Q3 2012 as planned. Otherwise, Sprint will become a penny stock, and we will have to lynch CEO Dan Hesse.
Jayavarman said:
IIRC, Clearwire LTE "hotspots" will be available in 2013.
I am also certain that the first LTE phone will available in Q3 2012 as planned. Otherwise, Sprint will become a penny stock, and we will have to lynch CEO Dan Hesse.
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yeah i said 2015 for main clearwire move to LTEAdvanced b/c Sprint stated they are supporting WiMax through 2015.
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yeah i said 2015 for main clearwire move to LTEAdvanced b/c Sprint stated they are supporting WiMax through 2015.
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Well if Sprint didn't support it till then they would piss a lot of people off, just saying,
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As long as they get a phone with LTE by July, I'll be happy.
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As long as they get a phone with LTE by July, I'll be happy.
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not likely. VP said 3rd qtr last time he spoke. few months wont make much diff anyway. I just hope that "phone" hes talking about isn't the iPhone5 with LTE as i refuse to get that.
I just dont want to deal with HTC releasing another WiMax super phone in juneish and then doing a LTE phone the following year. Unless that WiMax phone has the new qualcomm chips that have LTE modem built into the die! That will be my next phone whenever it comes period.
Something new to discuss everything about Wimax while it last! ... Antennas, tricks, etc.. Check it out!
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So LTE is replacing Wimax?
unfortunately
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
Awesome. I thought they were going to force me to upgrade again. I'd be like, ''Damn, I just got this!''
I agree that LTE is faster than Wimax but i also know that the Wimax network never got to see a full well established deployment.
Wimax could of been much better than what it is, but I just think it came in to late (like everything in this country regarding cell phone technology does) and not enought time and money was put in to it.
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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because of this
megabiteg said:
I agree that LTE is faster than Wimax but i also know that the Wimax network never got to see a full well established deployment.
Wimax could of been much better than what it is, but I just think it came in to late (like everything in this country regarding cell phone technology does) and not enought time and money was put in to it.
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wimax is a better technology, however, only sprint has wimax and has it on a bad frequency, if wimax was on a lower frequency you would see much better signal and penetration. Because verizon and at&t have better backbone they can provide faster speeds to their towers and so they gave LTE a better name in the consumer market, it has nothing to do with the technology but unfortunately sprint has to get the consumers to buy into their service and when the consumer see's that LTE gets better speeds (regardless of why) then sprint has to sell the consumer LTE to stay with the pack.
Wimax can offer faster speeds and more connections per tower but it is limited by sprint and the terrible speeds that sprint offers the towers. Do Not expect to get great speeds with sprint LTE as it will be just as slow as the wimax when the number of lte phones gets to be as high as the wimax phones on the sprint network.
Wimax had great speeds before the Evo 4g was released, just as you see the screen shots of sprint's LTE speeds. also dont forget that verizon lte had great speeds when it first came out but their speeds are similar to sprint's wimax now.
tl;dr wimax>LTE, sprint sucks right now, beer is good
Sprint did give wimax a bad name cause it's sucks big time. I'm in a "well covered" 4G area and good luck driving down the road keeping a signal. It's total crap & is completely worthless. Who cares if LTE is faster, wimax speeds would be totally fine if it could actually stay connected. What good is it if your phone can never stay connected to it. I'm hoping once Sprint lights up LTE I can actually stay connected to it without it cutting in and out all the time interrupting my music with buffering.
yousefak said:
How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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OMG LTE is NOT Faster than WiMax. Verizon's current LTE is faster than Sprint/Clear's WiMax but that does NOT in any way mean LTE is faster than WiMax b/c that is far from the truth.
speed depends on a ton of other things not just the general tech behind the protocol.
NewZJ said:
because of this
wimax is a better technology, however, only sprint has wimax and has it on a bad frequency, if wimax was on a lower frequency you would see much better signal and penetration. Because verizon and at&t have better backbone they can provide faster speeds to their towers and so they gave LTE a better name in the consumer market, it has nothing to do with the technology but unfortunately sprint has to get the consumers to buy into their service and when the consumer see's that LTE gets better speeds (regardless of why) then sprint has to sell the consumer LTE to stay with the pack.
Wimax can offer faster speeds and more connections per tower but it is limited by sprint and the terrible speeds that sprint offers the towers. Do Not expect to get great speeds with sprint LTE as it will be just as slow as the wimax when the number of lte phones gets to be as high as the wimax phones on the sprint network.
Wimax had great speeds before the Evo 4g was released, just as you see the screen shots of sprint's LTE speeds. also dont forget that verizon lte had great speeds when it first came out but their speeds are similar to sprint's wimax now.
tl;dr wimax>LTE, sprint sucks right now, beer is good
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My friends LTE device did 26k in SC in a non metropolatin zone. I was like.. **** ME
yousefak said:
How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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Technically, WiMax is the 'faster' technology. Realistically, though, not so much.
heathmcabee said:
My friends LTE device did 26k in SC in a non metropolatin zone. I was like.. **** ME
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26kb or 26mb?
if the first, there is something wrong. if the second then he must be in a very low saturation area. I've seen tests up to 40 something mb/s with Verizon lte before the thunderbolt came out.
I've also seen 20 something mb with Wimax done in a populated area ie Houston by a photon. it depends on how many are connected and utilizing the bandwidth.
if be blown away if i saw more than 10 on mine
I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
I'm not sure if HTC is going to make an Evo LTE. They are usually first with this stuff and it seems like the Galaxy Nexus will be the first Sprint LTE device. Still, there is the possibility of an Evo LTE.
if all that happens, and we get to keep our unlimited data plans ill be forever joyful
after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone.
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Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
sitlet said:
Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Right.
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Cool. So I'll be able to change phones at the end of my two year contract. Awesome.
Evo_J said:
I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
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Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
tailsthecat3 said:
Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
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I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
megabiteg said:
I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Here's the rebuttal
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/01/sprint-and-clearwire-ink-new-4g-wimax-and-lte-agreement/
Now where is the fact the OP got? That's right, a "friend". He is full of ****
Evo_J said:
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This is from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint.....
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And the world is gonna end December 21,2012.....no LTE for anyone
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Jayavarman said:
Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
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+ 10000000000 that's what I was gonna say noobs lol
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Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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can i haz Q1 roadmap/training documents plz?
luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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No, You are wrong. They will not run Tri-mode. Though Sprint did mention at the CES that there is a Sierra Wireless Tri-Network Hotspot device that will work with 3G/Wimax/Lte.
"The new tri-network (CDMA, WiMAX, LTE) mobile hotspot offers that for data-hungry customers. Owen said that tri-network phones are cost prohibitive, so it will offer CDMA/WiMax and CDMA/LTE devices at the same time as it completes its transition from WiMax to LTE 4G networking technologies. " - source: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/ne....com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=21930619=3475
sitlet said:
Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Wrong again. Sprint has stated many times they are committed to supporting WiMax THROUGH 2015.
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luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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no offense but you also are wrong as previously noted by another poster in regards to tri-mode stuff. Hotspot device is the only one that will be "tri-band."
And all the info about the Sprint Nexus was mentioned at/during CES so you being an employee has nothing to do with it really.
From what I understand...
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
Raghnall said:
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
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One thing your wrong about is that it wont be ALL towers getting the network vision upgrade. BUT the ones that dont get it will NOT be used any more. Part of NetworkVision is eliminating some towers for them completely.
Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
cruise350 said:
Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
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Sprint isn't, but Clear probably is.
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