Just curious after all these weeks and keeping up with the old threads. I'm assuming it's no longer a secret
Many apologies if it's detailed somewhere as I have yet to discover it.
It's not been released yet as to what it does exactly. And hopefully it stays that way... so HTC can't figure it out and stop it in a future update
I'm willing to bet HTC downloaded it like the rest of us, parsed through the file and figured it out fairly quickly. Unfortunately, I downloaded it like the rest of you, parsed through the file and have no idea what any of it is
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I'm willing to bet HTC downloaded it like the rest of us, parsed through the file and figured it out fairly quickly. Unfortunately, I downloaded it like the rest of you, parsed through the file and have no idea what any of it is
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Nor will you know what it's doing because they didn't release the source and it is nearly impossible to decompile it and figure it out the way they did it. I'm glad they did it this way even though I would like to know, it's just better this way.
It's a binary file. Which means it is extremely difficult to decompile and see the code to know what it's doing. Some strings may show in it, but it's near impossible to know what the rest says without out knowing what kind of data type every bit of data is.
do we know why serial was needed?
goodelyfe said:
do we know why serial was needed?
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Seriously, I want to know?
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goodelyfe said:
do we know why serial was needed?
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It's only there so that if something goes wrong (bricked phones, etc.) the Revolutionary team can pull the tool and not just have others uploading it and having more phones bricked. They r not interested in getting your serial number because it's unless without the IMEI anyway (as far as I know). Basically if u can't get a beta key you can't run the tool.
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do we know why serial was needed?
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It was just needed for beta key generation and use
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danaff37 said:
It's not been released yet as to what it does exactly. And hopefully it stays that way... so HTC can't figure it out and stop it in a future update
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I doubt it will survive the next update...
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I doubt it will survive the next update...
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So would it prolly be a good idea for the devs to disable the automatic update utility for us in all the custom ROMs?
They already do
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I am pretty sure they said that when running revolutionary it disables the ability to check/receive updates. Something with the radio or something.
lol sorry, very informational, I know.
Related
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...r-recovery-and-kernel-images-all-locked-down/
This is saying it's all locked down and encrypted. I really hope HTC doesn't go down the Motorola way.
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PixoNova said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...r-recovery-and-kernel-images-all-locked-down/
This is saying it's all locked down and encrypted. I really hope HTC doesn't go down the Motorola way.
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Well they confirmed it if it wasn't true they wouldn't have said anything
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Thats ghey...oh well still buying one.
Yeah same here.
That's a shame though.
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Well they confirmed it if it wasn't true they wouldn't have said anything
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I always hope for someone to make a mistake when reporting these things.
This sucks!
so basically we have to use the stock version????
me sad
ok, dont bite my head off but............
what does this mean exactly?
cant root?
cant load apps?
sorry, i'll always be a noob at this stuff.
well, with my Atrix, until we get our bootloader bypass straightened out, we're just running Pseudo-ROMs right now (AOSP SMS, Gingerbread theme, etc.)
I'm not sure how this will affect your root though? I know that even my Inspire was a b**** to root, and all I had to do for my Atrix was SuperOneClick.
kinextions said:
ok, dont bite my head off but............
what does this mean exactly?
cant root?
cant load apps?
sorry, i'll always be a noob at this stuff.
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It'll be like the DX/D2. No custom kernels, no totally getting rid of Sense if you don't want it, etc. With root you can remove bloat from /system/app. But like I said, not sure if this will affect root or not.
kinextions said:
ok, dont bite my head off but............
what does this mean exactly?
cant root?
cant load apps?
sorry, i'll always be a noob at this stuff.
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in theory i guess...
devs have faced hurdles before...i'm sure they will figure out a way
Andy0682 said:
in theory i guess...
devs have faced hurdles before...i'm sure they will figure out a way
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Yes, but look at the all the development for the Motorola devices. The Atrix, it seems like, is the only device that seems like it has a chance to run custom kernels besides the OG Droid.
The Defy has 2nd init running, which allows for ROMs, but not kernels.
Evo 3D devs have a lot of work to do if they wanna crack this, I think.
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Yes, but look at the all the development for the Motorola devices. The Atrix, it seems like, is the only device that seems like it has a chance to run custom kernels besides the OG Droid.
The Defy has 2nd init running, which allows for ROMs, but not kernels.
Evo 3D devs have a lot of work to do if they wanna crack this, I think.
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agreed...this bites the big one for sure
Didnt a engineering BootLoader leak in that RUU yesterday?
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Didnt a engineering BootLoader leak in that RUU yesterday?
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I don't think so? I never heard anything about bootloader leak. I'm sure that would have been said in the article if it had.
kinextions said:
ok, dont bite my head off but............
what does this mean exactly?
cant root?
cant load apps?
sorry, i'll always be a noob at this stuff.
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We should be able to get partial root, similar to what was originally released from unrevoked. No custom kernals or ROMs, but you will be able to run any app that requires root as well as remove anything from the ROM that requires root access i.e. remove from system/app
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/24/evo-3d-features-same-locked-bootloader-as-htc-sensation/
I say we start a twitter campain to try and get the bootloader unlocked.
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Didnt a engineering BootLoader leak in that RUU yesterday?
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Could you find it and check it out? That could be vital to unlocking it. Do you have a link?
Twitter campaign now!!!
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Oh well. Waiting for the next good thing or will get the nexus.
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oh man this is depressing :|
Twitter campaign. Use #dontbuyhtc
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Does anyone know what the OTA does/changes? I would hate to apply it for no significant reason and cost myself a chance at root in the future.
Not until Leo, tmartin, toast, or haus says so. They are working on root
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So in other wordss, don't apply it??
HTC EVO = my best friend
Do not apply it unless you want to wait for root.
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Do not apply it unless you want to wait for root.
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You and anybody else saying that is just as useful as me saying if you take the OTA, you wont have to wait.
At this point everything looks like its just pure speculation, nobody knows for sure.
When would you ever apply an OTA~ I don't recall a situation where it was a good idea LOL
Can't watch the Green Hornet until I update the software. No thanks.
I didn't update mine yet and it played green hornet just fine. It's a shame they didn't put a better movie on here it actually looks pretty darn good. It's the most impressive 3d content I've seen so far on the 3vo
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Where did you get your phone, Best Buy?
I applied the update and now my phone shortcut is missing from the lockscreen and the app drawer. I searched online and apparently it's a common issue and HTC is working on yet another update to fix it. Apparently the first OTA update allowed you to connect to the phone via ADB.... so it looks as if they MAY be in the process of unlocking the bootloader for us.
Either way, there are a few small bugs to work out.
I wouldnt apply the OTA.. i know that its not confirmed it will do anything to affect root. However my understanding is the devs working on root didnt do it and im not going to either. Id like my phone to be as similar to the ones they are working on as possible just in case it matters.
On top of that i dont see any problems from not installing the OTA.
Too funny. You guys say you don't trust the OTA but you trust the software that came on the phone to begin with? Anyhow, HTC put out an update for a reason- it fixes things that are broken. If you want a partially functioning and buggy device, do not apply the update. If we had root I could see why people would be so concerned about losing it. However, we do not have root and who knows when we will. So, if until then you want a phone that works properly, apply the update which probably isn't going to change a whole lot in regards to your ability to root.
So if I did apply the update I'm f'ed??
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OTA - KIA my 3VO
The OTA has screwed up my phone. It is stuck in a boot loop; I was able to go to the bootloader but the factory reset did not fix it. I am headed to the store to swap out my brand new phone.
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So if I did apply the update I'm f'ed??
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Nope. Its all speculation at this point.
mine worked fine did you give it some time?
I'd hold off on updating for the simple reason HTC is trying to fix their last OTA lol
My phone arrives Monday but I'll wait unless theres a bug that is really bothering me, otherwise I can hold off. If you want to update for the sake of updating then don't whine if it prevents you from rooting later.
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Nope. Its all speculation at this point.
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I sure hope that i didn't just ruin my chances of getting root!
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S_rob7488 said:
I sure hope that i didn't just ruin my chances of getting root!
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not likely, they said they are giving us root .. i kinda believe them since i doubt they want another backlash like they had
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Too funny. You guys say you don't trust the OTA but you trust the software that came on the phone to begin with? Anyhow, HTC put out an update for a reason- it fixes things that are broken. If you want a partially functioning and buggy device, do not apply the update. If we had root I could see why people would be so concerned about losing it. However, we do not have root and who knows when we will. So, if until then you want a phone that works properly, apply the update which probably isn't going to change a whole lot in regards to your ability to root.
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But it could and often does patch up holes that COULD be used to rout root...
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Would it be possible to take the ota that has been downloaded and add our own framework that would be odexed and have it install some cracks?
We have the ota and why not take that and take out the firmware inside and replace with our own methods. Since we already have the framework hacked to unlock the hotspot feature we should be able to replace it via update then.
Just a thought. I'm not sure if it would work but we can try
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The ota is signed. Modifying it breaks the signature.
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Hmm this sounds interesting..
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The ota is signed. Modifying it breaks the signature.
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Yeah, but we can't sign it? Or better yet, you can open a zip and push it in without breaking it. I've done that with classes.dex to hack the hotspot in framework.jar and no problems
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Even if you had all the same files and just rearranged what order they appeared it would still break the MD5sum, There is a very very small change that modifying a file would produce a collision between the signed copy and the modified copy
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Even if you had all the same files and just rearranged what order they appeared it would still break the MD5sum, There is a very very small change that modifying a file would produce a collision between the signed copy and the modified copy
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Ok.... Just wish we could manipulate their ota...
What if we didn't rearange. Like if we hacked the framework.jar and kept that the same but just swapped out theirs for ours keeping all else intact. WiFi tether is a huge plus right now until full root comes
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So do I, I haven't done any cooking or development myself. But I am almost done a physics and comp sci major and took a class on cryptography (the only reason I know how MD5 works) so I can follow along with some of the stuff.
I took the OTA myself, which people say is terrible, but the 2.3.3 will be rooted easy enough. It always is. I have faith in the devs.
Leoisright said:
Ok.... Just wish we could manipulate their ota...
What if we didn't rearange. Like if we hacked the framework.jar and kept that the same but just swapped out theirs for ours keeping all else intact. WiFi tether is a huge plus right now until full root comes
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Given what the guy said, I don't think that will work either. Time for some research!
I think it will still look for the changes and will probably become corrupted if it does find any.
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I think it will still look for the changes and will probably become corrupted if it does find any.
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Well worse case it won't get installed.
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I am not a programmer but my guess is they are looking at the OTA to see where they (HTC/Sprint) may have tried to patch a hole with the update and that is why they say dont run the OTA
Not going to happen.
Oh I know. For now I have run no ota. My main thing is root then hack stock WiFi tether. If I could do tether first, I would be a happy camper till the root happens
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WiFi tether is cool but that is something a dollar a day can fix.
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WiFi tether is cool but that is something a dollar a day can fix.
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Yup. I know...
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nfollin said:
So do I, I haven't done any cooking or development myself. But I am almost done a physics and comp sci major and took a class on cryptography (the only reason I know how MD5 works) so I can follow along with some of the stuff.
I took the OTA myself, which people say is terrible, but the 2.3.3 will be rooted easy enough. It always is. I have faith in the devs.
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You mentioned you're familiar with MD5s, do you think you may be able to figure out a way to modify something without affecting the MD5? I'm sure it has to have some weaknesses being how small it is compared to the size of the file
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Leoisright said:
Would it be possible to take the ota that has been downloaded and add our own framework that would be odexed and have it install some cracks?
We have the ota and why not take that and take out the firmware inside and replace with our own methods. Since we already have the framework hacked to unlock the hotspot feature we should be able to replace it via update then.
Just a thought. I'm not sure if it would work but we can try
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hmmmm I think this is what iI was "getting at", with my post;
"3VO No Root Needed?"
which is my point exactly..."If HTC or Sprint can do it when the phone is locked, why can't we?"
But this genious "idea" was moved to the "General" section... a bit too early, because some "nay-sayers" started posting that they left there 3VO in the sand over night with a family of oysters.... and the next day not only was it rooted but they also got a pearl!
lol
I still like the "idea" but everyone said it couldn't be done
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You mentioned you're familiar with MD5s, do you think you may be able to figure out a way to modify something without affecting the MD5? I'm sure it has to have some weaknesses being how small it is compared to the size of the file
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Haus, I've seen roms being changed yet the md5 the same. Chubbz asked a good question. Is it possible to make the md5 set? As I recalled many roms being basically stolen then revamped but the core had the same md5.
Just could he an open door we may want to pursue is all
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hmmmm I think this is what iI was "getting at", with my post;
"3VO No Root Needed?"
which is my point exactly..."If HTC or Sprint can do it when the phone is locked, why can't we?"
But this genious "idea" was moved to the "General" section... a bit too early, because some "nay-sayers" started posting that they left there 3VO in the sand over night with a family of oysters.... and the next day not only was it rooted but they also got a pearl!
lol
I still like the "idea" but everyone said it couldn't be done
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Sorry for it being moved. Not sure why it was. I think its a valid dev question. It's called thinking outside the box
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You mentioned you're familiar with MD5s, do you think you may be able to figure out a way to modify something without affecting the MD5? I'm sure it has to have some weaknesses being how small it is compared to the size of the file
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+1.
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Now that we have root, so is HTC still good to release their verion
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They will for sure just to show that they will actually do something they said they would.
I have no idea if they know we have gotten it done without them? I would love to of seen there faces when they found out we did it a month before they were even going to release it
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They will for sure just to show that they will actually do something they said they would.
I have no idea if they know we have gotten it done without them? I would love to of seen there faces when they found out we did it a month before they were even going to release it
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Oh they know that it got done without them, for sure. It's been posted all over their Facebook since it happened.
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They will for sure just to show that they will actually do something they said they would.
I have no idea if they know we have gotten it done without them? I would love to of seen there faces when they found out we did it a month before they were even going to release it
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That's the people they need working for them. are they might all readdy have it done and they sitting waiting how long it that us to get her done.
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Even if you have no coding experience at all, you can help. Testing is the easiest way to help. There are millions of lines of code and ways to set up these phones. Testing is the most important part of the development process. Without testers bugs will roam free. There are two separate major test categories, kernels and roms. Then minor testing such as mods/themes/etc. Kernels are the brains of the phone. Roms is the body. Both need to be tested and both need to be improved. When you test please do more than just quadrant. Make specific repeatable comments that will help some one fix the issue. Thanks and happy testing
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Ill do some testing.
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Even if you have no coding experience at all, you can help. Testing is the easiest way to help. There are millions of lines of code and ways to set up these phones. Testing is the most important part of the development process. Without testers bugs will roam free. There are two separate major test categories, kernels and roms. Then minor testing such as mods/themes/etc. Kernels are the brains of the phone. Roms is the body. Both need to be tested and both need to be improved. When you test please do more than just quadrant. Make specific repeatable commits that will help some one fix the issue. Thanks and happy testing
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Im in for some testing
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I don't have the time, got a few $$$ to help someone buy a phone. can sens to your paypal Joker?
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I have a photon already
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I don't have the time, got a few $$$ to help someone buy a phone. can sens to your paypal Joker?
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I think he is refering to sending you money to buy a phone strictly for testing.... so you dont brick yours
Oh well i dont mind. Its almost impossible to brick this phone. As long as you dont play with bad bootloaders(*cough yay4juggs *cough).
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I think he is refering to sending you money to buy a phone strictly for testing.... so you dont brick yours
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I do have a project i want tested. On the razr forum there is a project call debtop. Can someone flash my newest hardvfp kernel and test debtop on the photon. I believe i got the kernel to support it.
Edit gentop not debtop
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Ok - I'd love to help, but I'm not sure what your kernel is or the gentop is? I've rooted my phone, messed with a few simple things here and there, but other than that - I'm still learning. I did install a custom ROM on my old Hero, but I haven't messed with the Photon.
I do have time though - I work a lot of night shifts and if shown how to do something, I learn it quickly! If I can be any help, message me and I'll do what I can to help out!
I gotcha bubb. I'm in a 4G area if you you are still working on the bootloader
Hell I will even let you remote control my computer. Just don't go into the folder that says mmmm lol
No need. I actually know how to install a 64 bit operating system. Lol. Im slowly working on it. Its not a bootloader problem. Motorolas official engineering phones with real unlocked factory bootloaders dont have 4g. So obviously we gotta look elsewhere. Its possibly recovery related or some form of security check. Once we find exactly what it we can fix it. The best way is to dd everything. Like dd / lol. Once with stock, then after unlock only then recovey change. Once all three is pulled. Someone needs to run a diff, or physically cross check everything, eek. Once the culprit is found we will squash it. so obviously you can see this will be time consuming. Way more time then I ever get. I would have to take a vacation just to get that kind of time. I can do the squashing after the fact but atm im stuck trying to blindly fix it
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I gotcha bubb. I'm in a 4G area if you you are still working on the bootloader
Hell I will even let you remote control my computer. Just don't go into the folder that says mmmm lol
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melodic manatee men masturbating lonely over leftovers.
Nope wont open that folder
AJC9000 said:
I gotcha bubb. I'm in a 4G area if you you are still working on the bootloader
Hell I will even let you remote control my computer. Just don't go into the folder that says mmmm lol
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Okay this is to everyone wanting to help. Find me cool patches. Remember your looking for arm no neon stuff the kernel is 2.6.32.9(kinda). I might update to .50 if I can ever find those patches. Most stuff I can manually patch and do, but 2.6.32.* patches are huge and I need .patch's to do that. If you find kernels from other phones with cool stuff please make sure they actually post source. A bfs 400+ patch for 2.6.32.9 would be awesome, so would proper autogroups. Post findings here.
Thanks and happy hunting
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I'm not a programmer but I would like to help if I can. Picked up my MoPho 3 weeks ago, rooted it, and did a couple buildprop tweaks but nothing else. Haven't unlocked it yet, either. I would like to flash a different rom and/or kernel but want to do more reading first. I also need to get the right sbf and such, too. Currently system version 45.3.6.MB855.sprint.en.us; Android 2.3.4; Baseband N_01.28.07R; Webtop WT-1.2.0-160; Kernel [email protected] #2; Build 4.5.1A-1SUN-198.6
I'm a MoPho-er
This is good!
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I'd be happy to test, but I don't want to unlock the bootloader until it doesn't break 4g
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Joker this is just a thought but have you looked at the LTE drivers at all maybe something could be made from that or in any way be helpful
Lte drivers are there. Edit the build.prop
AJC9000 said:
Joker this is just a thought but have you looked at the LTE drivers at all maybe something could be made from that or in any way be helpful
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Not sure if I can say much on here but try to move the signal to Verizon.
I saw on the zumocast advert on the motorola website the photon was sporting the LTE icon. Maybe a minor error with one of the artists or maybe a hint...