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Their is almost nothing on their facebook about the unlocked bootloader. Maybe they decided it is not worth their time since most people forgot about it already or simply do not care. We need to keep bombarding them with emails and posts just like we did when it was first announced. If HTC thinks that we have forgotten or no longer care then they might not even bother. Persistence is key!
its been done already. Trust me, if they wanna do it they will, if they go back on their word it will be a mess for them. I dont think the emails are going to do any better at this point, since they have already said it, and what more can we get from them? Now its in the hands of the decision makers as when to release it. Sending them email it probably a waste of your time and theirs, bunch of people have done and they say they will unlock it. I dont think you are going to hear anything different.
Its time for people to start actually returning their phones. Not only that, but post on FB/Twitter and tag HTC in the post.
its all about that people saw that devs here at xda are close to this, so they dont care anymore
Them not mentioning the bootloader is not a reason for everyone to just give up on the 3d. This is an extremely nice phone that hasn't been out for 2 weeks, be patient people it'll come.
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I just don't think that will be especially helpful. But I dont mind posting on their fb page later today. Ill just ask for a date.
They have already stated that they will unlock the 3D but they are working out the details. It will happen but it might be another month or more before it actually happens. Emailing them isn't going to make it happen faster. And returning your phone isn't going to cause them to do anything either. We are a minority ourselves and then there is a minority of the minority that would be willing to return their phones which isn't enough volume to make HTC even blink.
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Their is almost nothing on their facebook about the unlocked bootloader. Maybe they decided it is not worth their time since most people forgot about it already or simply do not care. We need to keep bombarding them with emails and posts just like we did when it was first announced. If HTC thinks that we have forgotten or no longer care then they might not even bother. Persistence is key!
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what do you mean 'YOU people'???
So, what happens if I do return the Evo 3d? If I don't get another phone, and use an older phone that I have, will my upgrade status be set to a full upgrade? Or do I have to get another new phone? Will I still have a 2 year contract, or will it be reset to what it was? Just wondering, because I don't know what other phone I would get. Also If I return it now, can I buy it again at discount price once Htc unlocks it? I know there are a lot of people here who work for sprint. Also, I purchased it from RS if that makes a difference. Thanks
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What do YOU mean "you people"?
Htc does not care if you return your phone. Sprint buys the phones from HTC, then sprint sells the phones with their plans. HTC has their money they already sold the phones to sprint. So if you return the phone HTC could care less its no money out of their pocket. It would be sprints loss more then anything.
Let's not forget that HTC NEVER said they would unlock the EVO 3D bootloader. They said they would change their policies on FUTURE devices. They also stated that since the EVO 3D was already far into production that their statement did not apply to the EVO 3D but that they are reviewing whether or not to unlock the bootloader for the EVO 3D.
I'm all for being patient and the phone is currently still kicking ass in spite of Sense..but...we are losing developers. Perhaps not right this second, but, with every minute that goes by we march closer and closer the the 30 day window closing more and more devs are wondering what to do, keep it or get the SGS2 which will be no problem to dev for?
It's going through nearly ever users mind (here) and probably every devs mind. HTC is dragging their heels, developers are losing interest, users are getting scared...HTC has their money, what do they care if they take 3 months? By then developer interest will be close to gone and if/when we get CM8 it will be extra buggy for us for a while...and a month or two later the next big phone I'm going to get will be announced...
I think this screen is absolutely gorgeous and going to the SGS2 would be a giant downgrade in resolution--screw the overblown colors, compare your EVO3D to your EVO4G side by side...the resolution difference will be missed...
...but, I miss theming, custom roms, custom kernels, overclocking, wifi tether, the security in having a nandroid backup, the security in knowing that if I **** something up *I* can fish around in there and fix it--which I currently lack.
I amazing devs are doing all they can, and I thank them graciously for their efforts...and perhaps HTC will unlock the phone--eventually--but will that be soon enough to save our "scene"?
After keeping an eye on the dev threads for the 3D and Sensation I see a lot of brilliant ideas being thrown around. Some seriously clever people in there...but also some very major roadblocks in this phone, all very intentionally engineered to keep us out.
I guess what I'm getting at is: What is everybody elses "worst case scenario" plan? If i bring the phone back and it gets cracked the next day I can always go buy another one. What phone will most of the user community migrate to? What of developers?
Mine is to bring back my phone on the 30th day if it is not cracked or officially unlocked. Then wait for for the SGS2...(my only concern being the crappy radio, but, the EVO3D has a pretty weak radio too). If during my wait the EVO3D is cracked or unlocked I have the option to buy that again, or even wait longer...
thoughts?
You're complaining about unlocked bootloader..?
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You're complaining about unlocked bootloader..?
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Read the tag on this thread.
Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
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The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
their reply.
I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Philip
Thought I would create a simple poll. Let the people voice their thoughts!!
The question's simple:"Would you buy another HTC phone if it was impossible to turn S-Off?"
Yes or No.After voting, please post in the thread explaining your choice.
If I reach 500 votes, I will personally spam every public avenue HTC has with a direct link to this thread so they can see the impact their choice to lock down their most recent devices has made.
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EDIT:: My answer is no. If it was impossible to turn the Security flag OFF then I would never purchase another HTC phone again. I am a firm believer that since it is MY property that I should be able to do with it whatever I want, when I want, how I want.. Without ANYONE telling me that I can't. PERIOD. If HTC want's to play these games and tell me what I can and can't do with my property then I will never purchase another HTC phone again.
Seeing as how my last 8 phones had the HTC brand on them, they will definitely be losing one very loyal customer...
I swore that I would never buy an iPhone because they are so locked down it's disgusting and consistently push out updates to try to stop attempts at jailbreaking the device. With that being said I stuck to my guns. I never bought one. Or any other Apple product for that matter. This is what the Amaze 4G is starting to remind me of.
HTC has officially dropped the ball this time and it's time we, the people, the one's paying idiotic amounts of money for these phones actually tried to do something about it.
I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
I find it insanely stupid to pay six hundred dollars and not own a device. I love this phone but it will more than likely be my last HTC phone. I won't go Apple but probably back to Samsung, even though I owned the Moment,worse phone ever, or maybe Google will do more with the Moto Mobile and put out a great phone. I just don't see HTC doing what's right and giving us S-off or making it any easier.
No I Will NOT Buy Another HTC...Amaze Is For Sale!
People having "FUN" with their phones...that's precisely what drives new phone sales now. When newcomers pop onto a Great Dev Site, such as XDA, it literally drives/motivates them to run out and buy "the phone everyone's having such a great time playing with"...because...everyone wants to have fun with their phone! HTC & others build great form & functionality into their phones, but that's not to say they know best...we're simply talking about a staff of engineers that are tasked with developing a phone which functions 100% of the time, for 100% of the buying public, which only speaks to whats best for THEM...while very commendable feats of accomplishment indeed, each individual being able to take that same phone & teach it to do "flips & cartwheels", in addition to the "sit-ups & summersaults" the engineers have already presented, is but a further testiment to their great feat of engineering. I would consider this to be very "complimentary"...opposed to the "intrusive" stance they seem to be taking. Think about it & stand in their shoes for a moment. Try to imagine what a proud engineer would say..."gosh, look what great things these people are doing with My Phone". Anyone can build a phone...HTC used to build FUN into their phones...that's why I bought my First HTC...second HTC...third HTC. People must have fun with their phones....I believe HTC is too smart to not allow that any longer. HTC cannot possibly believe the sales of this "locked-up, house-trained Parrot" will ever soar with "Eagles" such as the likes of the HD2, the DHD, the EVO, the Sensation, and many others to this point! How many potential sales of the AMAZE have been negated by people coming to XDA alone? I would very safely say...enough to make a couple of down-ticks on their not-so-Amaze-ing revenues. On a separate up-note...all the Devs here at XDA are very first-rate, thorough & innovative. I have followed practically all of them, used all of their ROMs, tweaks & gadgets to complete satisfaction...I personally Thank All of You Very Much......
...."You All Alllowed Me To Have FUN With My Phone"....
No Way
I totally agree with daswahnsinn. I bought the phone and it should be mine to use however I like.
MildewMan said:
I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
Still yes but i never buy new release phone wait for couple of months and see if there are any progress on the community for the device if it is rootable or the devs are interested to go on for further development.. there is a positive and negative side for this S-On S-Off thing..
first for the positive side yes it is a expensive device but there are alot of new comers aka (the one who doesn't carefully read and understand.) And if they saw a post like how to turn S-On to S-Off or Root your phone etc.. they just go straight away without reading the thread replies and so on and if that happen that it did brick there phone so to there last resort they will return there phone to htc for replacement or repair.. waste of time or money bad for htc to replace the unit that is defective.. that is why they impliment the locked S-On thing.
Negative is for us who want to fully expand the capabilities of our device yes we bought it in a highed price for this time and as a consumer once we bought it that means that we own it.. we need S-Off to customize and tell our phone what or how we want it to act up.. personal taste and personal preferences and that us consumers makes us happy for what we paid for..
as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
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I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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ATTN HTC:
IMHO, give the users S-OFF just like you've unlocked the bootloader. Force verified registration and have the users sign an EULA with all the caveats to removing S-ON.
Provide support/warranty for hardware only. Know that when you send your device in for hardware warranty purposes only, that your data will be wiped. Return the device (or a refurbed one) back to the user bone stock. Locked bootloader, S-ON, stock ROM, wiped internal SD, etc etc.
If the problem wasn't HW related and HTC has incurred costs fixing or diagnosing a software bug (ie: stupid luser bricked it because they didn't follow proper flashing instructions, etc) then send them a bill with the phone or send it back via UPS/FedEx COD. You want the phone back? Get your wallet out. You knew you were playing with fire when you registered for S-OFF/Unlocked bootloader.
The goal here is:
1) give the users what they want (S-OFF, Unlocked bootloader, Source, etc)
2) provide support for what should be supported or agreed upon (EULA)
3) hold the users accountable for their own mistakes (COD device returns for non-hw repairs)
4) provide world-class hardware & service and excel in this market via transparency
If I got this kind of service and support from a manufacturer; I'd be loyal to the brand for life.... and that's a lot of devices.
Cheers
(edit) and yes, I own an HTC Amaze 4G. my DD
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
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on your this point, it's not always that black and white, it's possible that, like me, their everyday phone just happened to break and they don't want to get a new one of their old phone, just to have to upgrade in a few months as they were planning on doing in the first place before their phone broke, as is the case with me... so I figured well I'll pay a little more for a new phone that will still be worth something when it comes time to get the phone I REALLY want...
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I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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I kind of agree, but samsung sure isn't having any issues selling new phones...
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as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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I think this would be the best route, that way people who don't care about the warranty and want to be able to do whatever they please with the device they purchased, can do so. And those who care about the warranty, can either wait it out, or choose to take a chance. Choice is the key here... that, to me, would be the easy way to do it that would be beneficial both to the consumer and to the manufacturer and distributors from a support standpoint.
If I wanted a locked phone, I'd have gotten the smugphone. I'm a technician with a bs in computer science. I don't need someone else telling me how use hardware that I paid the not subsidized price.
I don't have any statistics, but I'm willing to bet only a small minority of phone users actually root their phones and do the things we do here on xda. the reasoning that HTC is protecting us from ourselves or even protecting their own interest by not having to replace bricked phones is asinine. Samsung sold 20 million s2's so far and I'm willing to bet not even 10% of those phones have been rooted let alone sent back for root/modified related issues. Regardless, I'm not sure if sending them messages or whatever will help, but I still say go for it. It certainly wont hurt anything
its funny how samsung, sony and other companys are unlocking their bootloaders and stuff and HTC hasnt learned anything by this? xD
Yes, but only because if HTC doesn't get it together with Android I'm honestly debating going to WP7. I love the customization on Android but I don't like Samsung or any other Android phones so far (Maybe the Galaxy Nexus, which isn't on TMo). Maybe this will change, but as of now it's either HTC with Android or WP7.
I know it's taboo to mention WP7, but there are more and more tweaks and hacks coming out and they really are simple, beautiful, easy phones. I don't want to, but I hate the "business model" with Android manufacturers making tons of unfinished phones every year....
If it was truly impossible I would say a defiant NO! I'm really sick of this phone being so locked down I love htc's build quality but I am so tempted just to get a galaxy s 2 and not even waste my next upgrade on an htc phone if they keep this up
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Yes, I would, because I don't always have to root a phone/hack it to death to enjoy it, but that is just me and would be definitely in the shallow end of the pool on this site. I mean, I like to mess with ROM's and what not as much as the next guy, but it isn't a necessitie to me. I honestly still rocking a stock Amaze as it works fine for me. Now my MT4G is rooted and have been through a bunch of ROMS on it.
A lot of it is a time thing for me. Just have other interests taking a bigger role in my life currently. One day I may root this, but it won't ruin the experience for me.
I also don't get how someone posting this on February 24th can be this fabergasted by no S-off as it has been out since what November? The early adapters I can understand their frustration more so, but not someone who just recently got the phone or if they were an early adapter, waiting a few months to post how upset and fed up with HTC they are.
Just my opinion in a sea of many.
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If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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ya i guess we can all just cry and complain to htc, and threaten to switch to another manufacturer like you want to do right? get real... lol
you said htc has no logical reason for enabling this unnecessary security, i just gave you a good reason, they gave us unlock to allow us to somewhat modify our phones without the chance of bricking and thus claiming a warranty exchange...
and htc has never helped anyone achieve s-off, it's always been the hard work of some dev/team to make that happen, and that remains true today with our amaze, the problem being we don't have many devs working on getting s-off on our phones...
again just cuz htc isn't helping us achieve s-off, doesn't mean they are stopping us from trying or "keeping us from fully owning our phones"
Yes I would, imo, HTC is the best company out there, I honestly think that HTC devices are the most popular among developers and advanced users, also, you have lots of choices if you root, aosp, sense, or miui
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I've been saying for years to people that rooting does not affect your ability to return a faulty phone. I have returned dozens of phones rooted rommed and even a few bricks. Verizon does not give a ****, why would they? It's just software , and when the device is refurbished it is wiped with machines that are built to reinstall the factory condition (think of re imaging a pc harddrive with the manufactures build of windows)
But now with phones saying "tampered" I'm seeing more and more people worried ..
Well don't take my word for it...
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/1...ging-full-price-of-warranty-phones-if-rooted/
" Our friends at Verizon saw this post and wanted to reach out to clarify everything immediately. First up, is the fact that their policy says absolutely nothing about checking for root on devices. When a phone is received, a phone is checked for three things and that definitely isn’t one of them. They check to see if the box that the device was sent in is damaged, if the outside of the phone looks awful, and if it powers on – satisfy all of those and they move on to the next phone. So basically, these reports of being charged for a rooted phone simply mean that these people were sending in garbage phone with defects."
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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not every s-off method, is capable of turning back to s-on..
The point is.. it doesnt matter. Verizon is not checking that.
As I said , I've sent back many devices rooted. HTC dinc.. sent back like 6 of them with s-off.. same with thunderbolt and dinc2. And now.. between my wife and I, we sent in 3 rezounds.. they have all been unlocked and rooted.
So either I'm really lucky (which would he news to me) or verizon doesn't give a ****.. as indicated by them saying "we don't give a ****" in that article
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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Show me where this is stated explicitly.. otherwise your just perpetuating incorrect information
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not every s-off method, is capable of turning back to s-on..
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every phone ive had i could go back to s-on. hero, evo4g, tbolt, dinc2.
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Show me where this is stated explicitly.. otherwise your just perpetuating incorrect information
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not incorrect info. read the disclaimers on the htc dev site, the revolutionary unlock site, heck most if not all of the custom rom threads. if you unlock and root you voided the warranty, since if you relock the bootloader on the rezound both verizon and htc will know by it saying "relocked". im not taking the chance of being charged $500+ to ship it in for repairs.
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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Your s-off obsession is starting to worry me.. you need another hobby.
And read the disclaimers--it says you MAY void your warranty. HTC is effectively letting you know they'll choose to honor the warranty or not. And they may. Which means it's not voided. It means it might be voided.
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Your s-off obsession is starting to worry me.. you need another hobby
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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It's become a dead project because there's zero evidence that not being able to go back to a factory state matters in the slightest. To anyone. To the user, to Verizon, to HTC. It means nothing to have "relocked" stamped at the top of your phone.
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HTC is effectively letting you know they'll choose to honor the warranty or not. And they may. Which means it's not voided. It means it might be voided.
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might not void the htc warranty but it does void your insurance with verizon. which means i could not get a free replacement device without paying or going without my phone for a few weeks. that's all i was saying.
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It's become a dead project because there's zero evidence that not being able to go back to a factory state matters in the slightest. To anyone. To the user, to Verizon, to HTC. It means nothing to have "relocked" stamped at the top of your phone.
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point taken, to each their own but i knew the risks when i unlocked and i sure won't be the first to send my phone into verizon, ill just buy another.
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might not void the htc warranty but it does void your insurance with verizon. which means i could not get a free replacement device without paying or going without my phone for a few weeks. that's all i was saying.
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There's zero evidence of that as well. There's simply nothing to indicate your fears are grounded in any sort of fact.
Edit: Tons of people have sent in a relocked phone, myself included, and it's never been a problem for anyone. Ever.
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There's zero evidence of that as well. There's simply nothing to indicate your fears are grounded in any sort of fact.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in. it also boils down to what tech you have working on your phone. i remember in my sprint days some stores would flag your device and some would not.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in.
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Dude, tons of people have done it on this forum and others, with, as far as I know, a 100% success rate. You're not a guinea pig, you're among thousands of other people who have done the exact same thing.
I guess I don't really give a **** in the grand scheme of things, my Rezound is off contract, but it's a fear that has no basis in any sort of experience any user has had with Verizon, Assurion, or HTC. And if you have insurance, just dunk your phone in your toilet so it doesn't turn on if you're that worried.
I've sent two Rezounds back to Verizon, both rooted and relocked, no problems at all.
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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so even with a statement from Verizon saying they don't check for that stuff, you still think that they do? But you offer no evidence of this. That's fine..
I am going to get to the bottom of this, because it seems that everyone is just going off of what they "think" is the right answer, with no real evidence.
Im a researcher in physics and engineering, and I can assure you that if someone on my team said "well ya this is what happens because i said so..." it would not go over well.
If it takes me a day or a month, im going to get definitive answers about exactly what is covered and not covered under warranty replacements when it comes to rooting and unlocking.
my hypothesis is that if a phone has a factory defect (bad pixels, faulty buttons) then rooted or not, unlocked or not, it will be replaced. I base this off of YEARS of replacing DOZENS or devices, and not once have I ever "restored" them to factory conditions. I have never been charged for a device. They also say you have to return the device in 10 days or you will be charged. Ive returned devices 2 months later and never been charged, I often wonder if then even verify that it was returned at all..
Anyway, I will get back to this.. my biggest pet peeve is people passing faulty, or "propaganda" information with absolutely no evidence to support it. (myself included)
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so even with a statement from Verizon saying they don't check for that stuff, you still think that they do? But you offer no evidence of this. That's fine..
I am going to get to the bottom of this, because it seems that everyone is just going off of what they "think" is the right answer, with no real evidence.
Im a researcher in physics and engineering, and I can assure you that if someone on my team said "well ya this is what happens because i said so..." it would not go over well.
If it takes me a day or a month, im going to get definitive answers about exactly what is covered and not covered under warranty replacements when it comes to rooting and unlocking.
my hypothesis is that if a phone has a factory defect (bad pixels, faulty buttons) then rooted or not, unlocked or not, it will be replaced. I base this off of YEARS of replacing DOZENS or devices, and not once have I ever "restored" them to factory conditions. I have never been charged for a device. They also say you have to return the device in 10 days or you will be charged. Ive returned devices 2 months later and never been charged, I often wonder if then even verify that it was returned at all..
Anyway, I will get back to this.. my biggest pet peeve is people passing faulty, or "propaganda" information with absolutely no evidence to support it. (myself included)
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I have to agree with you Serinety. Gone through 30+ exchanges and not once has rooting been an issue. EVER.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in. it also boils down to what tech you have working on your phone. i remember in my sprint days some stores would flag your device and some would not.
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I agree, there's no point in arguing. Send it back, don't send it back, it's your choice in the end.
and you wouldn't be a guinea pig, I have, like the OP, sent back over a dozen phones between Eris, inc1, and inc2 that were each time still rooted with s-off, and never had an issue.
I am not however going to care whether or not you choose to do so, nor should anyone else. It's your phone, you paid for it, do with it as you please.
God Bless.
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Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader.
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key words here.. "MAY NOT" and "RESULTING FROM"
This means that normal factory defects will not be affected by rooting or unlocking. things like dead pixels, faulty buttons. etc.. as they are not "resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader"
this is pretty cut and dry in my opinion, still, I have emailed both VZW and HTC in order to confirm
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I agree, there's no point in arguing. Send it back, don't send it back, it's your choice in the end.
and you wouldn't be a guinea pig, I have, like the OP, sent back over a dozen phones between Eris, inc1, and inc2 that were each time still rooted with s-off, and never had an issue.
I am not however going to care whether or not you choose to do so, nor should anyone else. It's your phone, you paid for it, do with it as you please.
God Bless.
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This is pretty much the point I suppose. But for some reason, I feel compelled to dismantle this myth once and for all lol. Though like anything, sometimes you can present all the empirical evidence in the world and people will still believe what they want.
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This is pretty much the point I suppose. But for some reason, I feel compelled to dismantle this myth once and for all lol. Though like anything, sometimes you can present all the empirical evidence in the world and people will still believe what they want.
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I mean, it's not totally a myth--Verizon could, I suppose, decide tomorrow to start checking all phones for relocked bootloaders just to **** with us. But the point is that they haven't, and there's no evidence they will, and even if they decided to do that, we'd probably get wind of it.
I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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From what I have read, HTC says that even if you use their tool it voids the warranty. So good luck finding any way to not do that. I will just use my TEP if needed to get it swapped.
Will
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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scottspa74 said:
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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Exactly.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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Yea, which means you "unvoid" your warranty for lack of a better word.
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I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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Sweet, thanks! I just wish he would do it first so I can make sure my device won't brick lol.
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Haven't tried it. I use the official HTC one. But I will say this:
If you're worried about voiding a warranty, you shouldn't be mucking about with things you need an unlocked bootloader for. My 2 cents.
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Not really a douche thing to say. He's got a point: If you're worried about voiding your warranty (which all unlock methods technically do, whether you can 'unvoid' them or not) then you shouldn't worry about rooting. Every time you do an unlock, or mess with a ROM or firmware (especially firmware, radios and such) you chance bricking your device permanently. The warranty isn't designed to cover users wrecking their own phones. It's designed to cover hardware faults in the unit, or a bad firmware OTA from the carrier. It doesn't cover it if you run over it with the car (TEP does, but TEP also doesn't care about warranties because they have a deductible anyhow), or drop it in the toilet. Bricking or frying a phone because of a bad flash, or just not knowing what you're doing isn't covered by warranty (nor should it be). Just because you can wreck your device and get it replaced because they can't tell you've done things the phone isn't necessarily specced for doesn't mean it's 'right'...just that it's possible.
Now having said all that, I'd definitely try and use my warranty if I borked my phone. If not I'd spend the money on the deductible. I'm just saying that ethically it's wrong.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
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I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
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If it is a flag, it's probably somewhere in the Bootloader partition, which, once S-Off, you can completely replace within the OS using ADB. An S-Off reversion would probably get rid of the flag, but we won't know until we get it!
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I'm thinking of going with SquareTrade. I doubt they will check for unlocked bootloaders...
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I have to agree with you scottspa.... I know he doesn't know that I'm an informed Android and XDA user but it seems like he talks to everyone like kids that don't know any better on AndroidCentral.com, but it seems to me that WE'RE MORE informed then that jerk. Also seems to me that he doesn't care much. Of course not. Why would he? I'm sure he's swimming in phones.
BTW, I did make note of the HTC One X issues and actually called him out on it.
Check out my latest post (which he hasn't responded to yet, of course.)