ive done a fair amount of reading and searching and i just want to get some straight answers with these questions as sometimes, opinion with these seem to vary.
1. i use bloat freezer. are there major differences between it and titanium backup?
2. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before a fw/kernel update?
3. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before backing up?
4. is a restored backup with titanium backup as good as a clean wipe and full reinstall of the apps?
hope someone helps me clear it up once and for all and TIA
rab1412000 said:
ive done a fair amount of reading and searching and i just want to get some straight answers with these questions as sometimes, opinion with these seem to vary.
1. i use bloat freezer. are there major differences between it and titanium backup?
2. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before a fw/kernel update?
3. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before backing up?
4. is a restored backup with titanium backup as good as a clean wipe and full reinstall of the apps?
hope someone helps me clear it up once and for all and TIA
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1. From the point of view of freezing/unfreezing the apps, only real difference is the price
2. No, but if you change your firmware you will need to refreeze the apps you want to freeze.
3. Don't really know, but I would think no
4. Titanium backup, backs up more than just your apps, including system apps, data and setttings - so they are different
I have a question my self,
If you freeze apps using Titanium backup, is that mean that now Titanium back would run at the background and prevent those apps to start ?
If so, I better remove them right ?
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1. From the point of view of freezing/unfreezing the apps, only real difference is the price
2. No, but if you change your firmware you will need to refreeze the apps you want to freeze.
3. Don't really know, but I would think no
4. Titanium backup, backs up more than just your apps, including system apps, data and setttings - so they are different
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as for no. 4
follow this thread, there is a mini discussion on titanium backup:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198334&page=90
pulser_g2, my fav developer, clearly states:
"You should only titanium restore USER apps and data, not preinstalled ones."
ShivaShidapu said:
I have a question my self,
If you freeze apps using Titanium backup, is that mean that now Titanium back would run at the background and prevent those apps to start ?
If so, I better remove them right ?
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im not sure about titanium backup, but for bloat freezer it isnt a running background service. but they should be working the same way.
personally, i choose freezing becasue, there is no perceptible performance hit between freezing and uninsall; and i can always infreeze if i need to use the program again
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im not sure about titanium backup, but for bloat freezer it isnt a running background service. but they should be working the same way.
personally, i choose freezing becasue, there is no perceptible performance hit between freezing and uninsall; and i can always infreeze if i need to use the program again
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It seems that no one really knows the answer to this question, but thanks for letting me know about bloat freezer.
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Hi,
I have been using this to backup, but have trouble restoring xROM. Is it able to restore apps in say 2.1, backed up in 1.5 (app compatibility aside)
Thanks
Phil
To be honest, I have a problem with this too, I always regularly backup and tried to restore all my apps in CKDROID (2.1 ROM), but I couldn't even install most of the apps, some worked, but more than 70% of my apps were just skipped.
I have also found the Titanium backup a bit unreliable. I bought MyBackUp Pro and it is at the moment the best backup app (in my eyes)
shelnes said:
I have also found the Titanium backup a bit unreliable. I bought MyBackUp Pro and it is at the moment the best backup app (in my eyes)
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mybackup also skips apps. perhaps only 70-80%.
I use appmanager to backup my apps, and mybackup for data, that is the best way for me.
xlxl said:
mybackup also skips apps. perhaps only 70-80%.
I use appmanager to backup my apps, and mybackup for data, that is the best way for me.
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Yeah, that's correct. Skips a few, but not more than it's an easy job to re-download them from the market
I use mybackup pro for sms, call logs and all other data, and titanium backup for applications, although i too must admit it's a bit unreliable.
Is there any application that allows all apps to be restored with one click, using mybackup pro is a hassle as i have to press install for every app!
And what about if i use apps2d, do i have to restore them every time i flash a new rom or will they still be there?
Hi !
I'm the Titanium Backup developer.
For those who have problems with reliability (especially for the app restoration) I would recommend to try the "Problems?" button in the app which will download and install a known good version of busybox. This simple step usually annihilates most problem cases
e3zippo: thanks by the way for being a donator ! Just a question, I saw your post on the MoDaCo forum thread (sorry I can't post proper links as a new user. URL is: android.modaco.com/content/software/297171/new-software-that-can-backup-restore-all-settings-of-any-apps/ ) which led me to believe that everything worked fine for you. So which of your posts is the most up-to-date ? I assume you first had problems and then they got sorted out ?
Thanks,
Joël
joel.bourquard said:
Hi !
I'm the Titanium Backup developer.
For those who have problems with reliability (especially for the app restoration) I would recommend to try the "Problems?" button in the app which will download and install a known good version of busybox. This simple step usually annihilates most problem cases
e3zippo: thanks by the way for being a donator ! Just a question, I saw your post on the MoDaCo forum thread (sorry I can't post proper links as a new user. URL is: android.modaco.com/content/software/297171/new-software-that-can-backup-restore-all-settings-of-any-apps/ ) which led me to believe that everything worked fine for you. So which of your posts is the most up-to-date ? I assume you first had problems and then they got sorted out ?
Thanks,
Joël
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Hey Joel! I couldn't really live without titanium backup so i felt a donation was in order
I still have a few problems, when i restore using batch it skipped atrackdog and one more app i can't remember, i will try and download a known good version of busybox as you recommended, and we'll see what happens! Thanks for replying!
Hey all
I discovered this app and donated about a week ago...
I made just one restore and wasn't sure the order I should use after a wipe...
I did
1. Wipe
2. Market to download Titanium (But i didn't go in the download section so next time, it'll show all apps I previously downloaded)
3. Restore
4. Market
But I had to restore twice cause market wasn't showing all my apps...
How you guys do that ?
Hi maxqc,
Your procedure should be correct.
If the market link does not appear for an app, I see two reasonable reasons for that:
a) market cache needs clearing (does not apply in your case because you did a wipe)
b) market entries got deleted by the system a few seconds after I restored them.
I have noticed case "b" recently and indeed, this can be annoying but it's really the system that is removing what I just added in the Market data.
To resolve this without needing a 2nd restore, I will probably add a "repair all Market links" feature in Titanium Backup soon.
Have fun
One more thing that is important: always verify that the "Enable USB Debugging" checkbox in the phone settings is checked.
I will add a verification for that, in the next Titanium Backup release.
Would it be possible to add a feature so that titanium backup will also back up our home screen layout? This is the only feature that I find missing in your great software.
jdoo said:
Would it be possible to add a feature so that titanium backup will also back up our home screen layout? This is the only feature that I find missing in your great software.
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That yould be AWESOME!!
jdoo said:
Would it be possible to add a feature so that titanium backup will also back up our home screen layout? This is the only feature that I find missing in your great software.
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Hi jdoo,
This should already be in the current version: look for something green-colored, labeled either as "Launcher" or as "Home" (depending of whether you have a google or a HTC rom)
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Hi jdoo,
This should already be in the current version: look for something green-colored, labeled either as "Launcher" or as "Home" (depending of whether you have a google or a HTC rom)
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Thank you for the quick response! I must have missed it since the batch backup appears to skip over system type items.
Thanks again for your efforts on this program and your quick response - I absolutely love how fast the unattended batch restore is in the paid version.
Can you explain the different batch options for me? I'm a little confused by them.
What's the difference between the two "backup all user apps" options (why does the 'running apps will be auto-ended' one have more apps)? And what does the "force refresh of your backups" do?
daandman said:
Can you explain the different batch options for me? I'm a little confused by them.
What's the difference between the two "backup all user apps" options (why does the 'running apps will be auto-ended' one have more apps)? And what does the "force refresh of your backups" do?
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If you have an app running that you do not want to terminate, you can use the first option. The second option has more apps listed because it does not exclude apps that are currently running.
No idea on force refresh, but it seems like it will do a full backup of apps you backed up before, and also delete what you've uninstalled but had backed up.
daandman said:
Can you explain the different batch options for me? I'm a little confused by them.
What's the difference between the two "backup all user apps" options (why does the 'running apps will be auto-ended' one have more apps)? And what does the "force refresh of your backups" do?
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Hi daandman,
It's quite simple actually:
Option 1: The "Backup all user apps (running apps excluded)" will backup all user apps, *except* those which are currently running.
Option 2: The "Backup all user apps (running apps auto-ended)" will backup all user apps, *including* those which are currently running (it auto-kills them as needed before backing them up).
Thus it is normal that Option 2 always includes more apps than Option 1 !
The "Force refresh of your backups" option will remake any backups that you currently have:
- if you have the Free version it will simply overwrite the backup
- if you have the Donate version (and a backup history setting greater than 1) it will simply add a new backup for the app, and delete the oldest one if the max history length is reached for that app.
cigar3tte said:
If you have an app running that you do not want to terminate, you can use the first option. The second option has more apps listed because it does not exclude apps that are currently running.
No idea on force refresh, but it seems like it will do a full backup of apps you backed up before, and also delete what you've uninstalled but had backed up.
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Hi cigar3tte
Absolutely correct - except that "force refresh" will not delete backups of uninstalled apps.
cigar3tte said:
If you have an app running that you do not want to terminate, you can use the first option. The second option has more apps listed because it does not exclude apps that are currently running.
No idea on force refresh, but it seems like it will do a full backup of apps you backed up before, and also delete what you've uninstalled but had backed up.
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Hi cigar3tte
You are absolutely correct - except that "force refresh" will not delete backups (of uninstalled apps).
I have an SGSII, rooted with Odin/CWM 4 and I cannot restore any system apps using Titanium Backup - it simply sits there saying 'Restoring App' and nothing happens. Normal apps can be restored OK. I tried changing the app processing mode in TB to Auto/Indirect but it didn't help.
Any ideas? I have TB Pro FWIW.
Can't you just restore systemdata? I assume the apps are there already.
ps you know the downside of restoring system apps?
I backed up and then uninstalled some system apps using TB Pro (TpLauncher, AccuWeather, etc.) but now I'd like to get some of them back. I assumed using the TB restore option was the way to go.
What's the downside of doing this? Can I restore these manually?
Same happened to me, I guess lesson is don't uninstall sys app unless you really don't want them.
Glad it's not just me and I have a nandroid so I can get everything back but it's annoying. I've reported it to the TB devs. If they come up with a solution I'll let you know.
I use root explorer backup the system apk, restore it when need it back.
what i do, is close titanium application then restart it again. then viola.
seems strange ... TB Pro always do the job for me
FWIW these were apps I first freezed, then uninstalled (without unfreezing). I wonder if this is relevant. Perhaps the permissions are screwed or something. If I could get a TB log I could find out. Hopefully the developers will help out.
Bump. Any updates on this? I'm having the same problem
Here is my reply from Titanium Backup support:
"We're sorry, system apps are critical and should not be removed in the first place. Some apps are tightly ROM bounded, while others are dependent on other system entities which could break things when they are removed. We have already provided the warning in the preferences that you will be held responsible of your own actions upon removing the system apps and we will not provide support for restoring them back. In most cases like this, you will have to reflash your ROM or restore your nandroid backup (you must always keep a nandroid handy)."
So in other words - tough sh*t! Not what I was expecting.
I restored my Nandroid and now only freeze apps, and they seem to defrost OK but after that reply I'm wondering if I should continue to use their product.
rec71 said:
Here is my reply from Titanium Backup support:
"We're sorry, system apps are critical and should not be removed in the first place. Some apps are tightly ROM bounded, while others are dependent on other system entities which could break things when they are removed. We have already provided the warning in the preferences that you will be held responsible of your own actions upon removing the system apps and we will not provide support for restoring them back. In most cases like this, you will have to reflash your ROM or restore your nandroid backup (you must always keep a nandroid handy)."
So in other words - tough sh*t! Not what I was expecting.
I restored my Nandroid and now only freeze apps, and they seem to defrost OK but after that reply I'm wondering if I should continue to use their product.
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In fairness they are right, anyone who uninstalls system apps is asking for trouble why would you want to do that in the first place,you can simply freeze any apps you don't use instead, i have most of the Samsung bloatware frozen in Titanium as i don't use them and many of them are responsible for excessive battery drainage.
BTW Titanium Backup is probably the best overall app in the whole market and they always release updates, i highly recommend this app to anyone who doesn't already have it.
As a software developer myself if one of my apps didn't work correctly and a customer asked for help I would do my level best to get to the bottom of the issue instead of fobbing them off.
The app lets you uninstall system apps and restore them again - why would you want to? because on some devices space might be at a premium - I freed up 100MB on my previous device (Xperia Arc S) using this feature for example - which made a big difference.
Luckily I don't need the space on my SII but I'm surprised that the TB devs wouldn't want to find out what the issue is.
rec71 said:
As a software developer myself if one of my apps didn't work correctly and a customer asked for help I would do my level best to get to the bottom of the issue instead of fobbing them off.
The app lets you uninstall system apps and restore them again - why would you want to? because on some devices space might be at a premium - I freed up 100MB on my previous device (Xperia Arc S) using this feature for example - which made a big difference.
Luckily I don't need the space on my SII but I'm surprised that the TB devs wouldn't want to find out what the issue is.
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They know what the issue is. The outcome of removing an restoring system apps is just unpredictable. They gave a warning that it could cause unwanted results. Messing with roms gives unpredicted results.
Same thing happened to my Galaxy Pocket. I uninstalled system apps and can't restore them.
THE solution is wen u want to uninstall an system app den first of all make an back up of DATA of that system app and den go 2 loaction of app through root explorer in internal storage and copy that APK file to ur sd card as backup .
den delete the APK file mannualy or uninstall using titanium backup...
wen u want dat app again den copy the APK to its original old location of system /app and restore the data using titanium backup and just restart the phone..
hope it helps ...
Yes, I can restore system data
Lennyz1988 said:
Can't you just restore systemdata? I assume the apps are there already.
ps you know the downside of restoring system apps?
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To be more thorough:
I am able to restore system data of an app but I can't restore an app.
In fact, if I locate the apk which titanium backup had backed up with a file browser and install it manually, it works fine! I can then restore data with titanium backup.
Issue on my Galaxy SII (no matter what ROM I use)
You shouldn't be restoring system apps at all/you shouldn't need to (the data may be another question though). Why are you wanting to restore system apps/which apps in particular ?
Ok, I got somebody holding my hand but I just don't want to abuse on his help too much so I'll be spreading a bit my Q's.
I'm ready to try a new ROM and I'm thinking in flashing xboard's Quicksense.
I just don't want to screw up so I just did a Titanium backup (free version) I did all users apps +sys data, so my question is...
If I screw up or the new rom has something that I need not working I just do a restore with Titanium and I'll get the phone exactly like I have it now???
Thanks,
Oh!
Another one...
If I do the "restore all missing apps with data" restore, after I did the whole "all users apps +sys data" backup, would it also istall back all the bloatware???
I'm afraid I can guess what the answer for that one is going to be
ferincr said:
Ok, I got somebody holding my hand but I just don't want to abuse on his help too much so I'll be spreading a bit my Q's.
I'm ready to try a new ROM and I'm thinking in flashing xboard's Quicksense.
I just don't want to screw up so I just did a Titanium backup (free version) I did all users apps +sys data, so my question is...
If I screw up or the new rom has something that I need not working I just do a restore with Titanium and I'll get the phone exactly like I have it now???
Thanks,
Oh!
Another one...
If I do the "restore all missing apps with data" restore, after I did the whole "all users apps +sys data" backup, would it also istall back all the bloatware???
I'm afraid I can guess what the answer for that one is going to be
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I'd recommend using ROM manager to create a backup of your current ROM. As for use of Titanium backup It's just to stick to backing up and restoring users apps and data only (system related restores can cause negative results). You might be able to freeze or uninstall any unwanted bloat with free Titanium if not the pay one can do it forsure.
Apps like Titanium and Rom Manager are worth buying! I use Titanium for just game data.
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ferincr said:
Ok, I got somebody holding my hand but I just don't want to abuse on his help too much so I'll be spreading a bit my Q's.
I'm ready to try a new ROM and I'm thinking in flashing xboard's Quicksense.
I just don't want to screw up so I just did a Titanium backup (free version) I did all users apps +sys data, so my question is...
If I screw up or the new rom has something that I need not working I just do a restore with Titanium and I'll get the phone exactly like I have it now???
Thanks,
Oh!
Another one...
If I do the "restore all missing apps with data" restore, after I did the whole "all users apps +sys data" backup, would it also istall back all the bloatware???
I'm afraid I can guess what the answer for that one is going to be
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To answer your first question, you would not get the phone exactly like you have it now if you backup with Titanium. Titanium backs up apps, not the entire phone. To backup the entire phone, you would need to go in recovery and make a nandroid backup or download the rom manager app and from there, make a backup
In regards to your second question, if you backed up the bloatware, you will get the bloatware back. Also, I am not 100% sure, but I think the back up missing apps with data does not involve the backup of all user apps + system data
Thanks guys, I look a bit more into it before I commit then just to be sure that I won't screw up.
First of all, its a very nice ROM! Reliable, smooth and fast!
I did a minor mess and ask for your advice, after installation I did a full recovery of my apps and data with titanium backup. After that I experienced two annoying issues, the browser didn't start (browser.android.com error) and the new calendar have a conflict with the old one restored.
If I reflash without wiping that issues should go?
Many thanks!
Going forward, do not restore system apps. There are ways to fix this, but I would go the clean way and factory wipe. Then simply restore non-system apps. I also then go in and freeze a lot of system apps since Task has what I consider to be bloat... once you have frozen them and do not experience any issues you could uninstall them (though if frozen, no real need to)... ie, you could do this on the calendar.
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
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s15274n said:
Going forward, do not restore system apps. There are ways to fix this, but I would go the clean way and factory wipe. Then simply restore non-system apps. I also then go in and freeze a lot of system apps since Task has what I consider to be bloat... once you have frozen them and do not experience any issues you could uninstall them (though if frozen, no real need to)... ie, you could do this on the calendar.
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I think everyone makes the system app restore mistake once. s15274n is right though, its best to always just go ahead and start clean, just to make sure there are no complications that haven't shown themselves yet, and then all of a sudden your tablet won't rotate anymore... (that was my super experience with not wiping completely)
Thanks.
I full wiped all again reinstalled the rom, restored the 3rd part apps and data. It's working now!
Hey, really quick [Q]
I know that Titanium Backup is pretty much fool-proof these days. But I want to know if it's safe to restore ALL APPS WITH DATA.
Could I potentially screw something up because my previous OS was ICS 4.0.4? I restored my old device ID because I've read that in 99% of circumstances you will want to do that.
So is all apps with data safe? Or should I go about the hours of manually restoring the data myself?
Cheers.
Yes it's safe. App data is independent from os.
So Titanium Backup won't restore older system apps that are incompatible with newer JB apps?
Coolio. Thanks. I literally had my finger hovering over 'backup' lol.
leijonasisu said:
Hey, really quick [Q]
I know that Titanium Backup is pretty much fool-proof these days. But I want to know if it's safe to restore ALL APPS WITH DATA.
Could I potentially screw something up because my previous OS was ICS 4.0.4? I restored my old device ID because I've read that in 99% of circumstances you will want to do that.
So is all apps with data safe? Or should I go about the hours of manually restoring the data myself?
Cheers.
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Use the very 1st restore option "missing apps with data" this will be your user apps. Once clicked u can then select which ones to restore. Never restore OS apps as this might create problems or fc's unless it's something like playlists or WiFi settings.
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