Ok, I got somebody holding my hand but I just don't want to abuse on his help too much so I'll be spreading a bit my Q's.
I'm ready to try a new ROM and I'm thinking in flashing xboard's Quicksense.
I just don't want to screw up so I just did a Titanium backup (free version) I did all users apps +sys data, so my question is...
If I screw up or the new rom has something that I need not working I just do a restore with Titanium and I'll get the phone exactly like I have it now???
Thanks,
Oh!
Another one...
If I do the "restore all missing apps with data" restore, after I did the whole "all users apps +sys data" backup, would it also istall back all the bloatware???
I'm afraid I can guess what the answer for that one is going to be
ferincr said:
Ok, I got somebody holding my hand but I just don't want to abuse on his help too much so I'll be spreading a bit my Q's.
I'm ready to try a new ROM and I'm thinking in flashing xboard's Quicksense.
I just don't want to screw up so I just did a Titanium backup (free version) I did all users apps +sys data, so my question is...
If I screw up or the new rom has something that I need not working I just do a restore with Titanium and I'll get the phone exactly like I have it now???
Thanks,
Oh!
Another one...
If I do the "restore all missing apps with data" restore, after I did the whole "all users apps +sys data" backup, would it also istall back all the bloatware???
I'm afraid I can guess what the answer for that one is going to be
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I'd recommend using ROM manager to create a backup of your current ROM. As for use of Titanium backup It's just to stick to backing up and restoring users apps and data only (system related restores can cause negative results). You might be able to freeze or uninstall any unwanted bloat with free Titanium if not the pay one can do it forsure.
Apps like Titanium and Rom Manager are worth buying! I use Titanium for just game data.
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ferincr said:
Ok, I got somebody holding my hand but I just don't want to abuse on his help too much so I'll be spreading a bit my Q's.
I'm ready to try a new ROM and I'm thinking in flashing xboard's Quicksense.
I just don't want to screw up so I just did a Titanium backup (free version) I did all users apps +sys data, so my question is...
If I screw up or the new rom has something that I need not working I just do a restore with Titanium and I'll get the phone exactly like I have it now???
Thanks,
Oh!
Another one...
If I do the "restore all missing apps with data" restore, after I did the whole "all users apps +sys data" backup, would it also istall back all the bloatware???
I'm afraid I can guess what the answer for that one is going to be
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To answer your first question, you would not get the phone exactly like you have it now if you backup with Titanium. Titanium backs up apps, not the entire phone. To backup the entire phone, you would need to go in recovery and make a nandroid backup or download the rom manager app and from there, make a backup
In regards to your second question, if you backed up the bloatware, you will get the bloatware back. Also, I am not 100% sure, but I think the back up missing apps with data does not involve the backup of all user apps + system data
Thanks guys, I look a bit more into it before I commit then just to be sure that I won't screw up.
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hey there..
in this topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740338
u can read about the apps u can uninstall and how...
but u can also do it via titanium backup pro cant u?
ive deleted road sync and all the other crap...
its gone... away from the phone... so why the hard way?
im a noob, so maybe there is a reason for it, people uninstall trough the command promp and gain superuser access. ive got superuser access trough my titanium backup..
for sure you can do it with Titanium backup Pro, the "problem" is that it is paid app, so not all of us can do those things by Titanium Backup..
sorry for offtopic, I do to understand why you created a separate thread for this question, you should ask directly there.. I do not think this question needs separate thread..
your right, shouldnt have needed a new topic..
and by the way...
Im using the free version of titanium backup aswell. just check it out... i uninstalled the original homescreen aswell with titanium backup (free version)
I don't really follow. Why would you want Titanium Pro? Everything worth doing (uninstalling, taking backup, scheduling backups) is available in the free version. Or am I wrong?
/Daniel
DanielMalmgren said:
I don't really follow. Why would you want Titanium Pro? Everything worth doing (uninstalling, taking backup, scheduling backups) is available in the free version. Or am I wrong?
/Daniel
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no ur right
Titanium is awesome for removing systems apps on a rooted phone. The problem with the free version is that it won't allow you to restore the backups you've made through the Titanium app. You could still do it manually though.
junglepunk said:
Titanium is awesome for removing systems apps on a rooted phone. The problem with the free version is that it won't allow you to restore the backups you've made through the Titanium app. You could still do it manually though.
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Ah, that explains it. So when I'm in deep **** I have to pay to restore everything I've backed up. Smart!
Anyways, what is it Titanium backs up? Is it just the apps or also app settings?
/Daniel
Backs up apps and data, full version does it and restores in one click. Well worth it!
to increase this thread's usefulness , I suggest that you try to share the apps you got.. =D paid and free.. thanks! [im begging]
Ok I tried following Myn's suggestion of unistalling Flash and now my phone won't reboot. I try to go into recovery and it won't let me. Any thoughts?
Trying not to freak out
I have an Htc Aria im trying to do this on it but when i do via titanium backup it restarts and i get a android with a yellow caution sign. Any ideas?
Im running TB Pro and I too am getting the Android with caution on reboot. Then I check and the App is still there. On Epic 4G
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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androidlover123 said:
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
silentsigma said:
glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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Theonew said:
You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
ferns_mccanus said:
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
ive done a fair amount of reading and searching and i just want to get some straight answers with these questions as sometimes, opinion with these seem to vary.
1. i use bloat freezer. are there major differences between it and titanium backup?
2. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before a fw/kernel update?
3. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before backing up?
4. is a restored backup with titanium backup as good as a clean wipe and full reinstall of the apps?
hope someone helps me clear it up once and for all and TIA
rab1412000 said:
ive done a fair amount of reading and searching and i just want to get some straight answers with these questions as sometimes, opinion with these seem to vary.
1. i use bloat freezer. are there major differences between it and titanium backup?
2. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before a fw/kernel update?
3. is it necessary to unfreeze apps before backing up?
4. is a restored backup with titanium backup as good as a clean wipe and full reinstall of the apps?
hope someone helps me clear it up once and for all and TIA
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1. From the point of view of freezing/unfreezing the apps, only real difference is the price
2. No, but if you change your firmware you will need to refreeze the apps you want to freeze.
3. Don't really know, but I would think no
4. Titanium backup, backs up more than just your apps, including system apps, data and setttings - so they are different
I have a question my self,
If you freeze apps using Titanium backup, is that mean that now Titanium back would run at the background and prevent those apps to start ?
If so, I better remove them right ?
ZagatoDB7 said:
1. From the point of view of freezing/unfreezing the apps, only real difference is the price
2. No, but if you change your firmware you will need to refreeze the apps you want to freeze.
3. Don't really know, but I would think no
4. Titanium backup, backs up more than just your apps, including system apps, data and setttings - so they are different
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as for no. 4
follow this thread, there is a mini discussion on titanium backup:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198334&page=90
pulser_g2, my fav developer, clearly states:
"You should only titanium restore USER apps and data, not preinstalled ones."
ShivaShidapu said:
I have a question my self,
If you freeze apps using Titanium backup, is that mean that now Titanium back would run at the background and prevent those apps to start ?
If so, I better remove them right ?
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im not sure about titanium backup, but for bloat freezer it isnt a running background service. but they should be working the same way.
personally, i choose freezing becasue, there is no perceptible performance hit between freezing and uninsall; and i can always infreeze if i need to use the program again
rab1412000 said:
im not sure about titanium backup, but for bloat freezer it isnt a running background service. but they should be working the same way.
personally, i choose freezing becasue, there is no perceptible performance hit between freezing and uninsall; and i can always infreeze if i need to use the program again
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It seems that no one really knows the answer to this question, but thanks for letting me know about bloat freezer.
I have an SGSII, rooted with Odin/CWM 4 and I cannot restore any system apps using Titanium Backup - it simply sits there saying 'Restoring App' and nothing happens. Normal apps can be restored OK. I tried changing the app processing mode in TB to Auto/Indirect but it didn't help.
Any ideas? I have TB Pro FWIW.
Can't you just restore systemdata? I assume the apps are there already.
ps you know the downside of restoring system apps?
I backed up and then uninstalled some system apps using TB Pro (TpLauncher, AccuWeather, etc.) but now I'd like to get some of them back. I assumed using the TB restore option was the way to go.
What's the downside of doing this? Can I restore these manually?
Same happened to me, I guess lesson is don't uninstall sys app unless you really don't want them.
Glad it's not just me and I have a nandroid so I can get everything back but it's annoying. I've reported it to the TB devs. If they come up with a solution I'll let you know.
I use root explorer backup the system apk, restore it when need it back.
what i do, is close titanium application then restart it again. then viola.
seems strange ... TB Pro always do the job for me
FWIW these were apps I first freezed, then uninstalled (without unfreezing). I wonder if this is relevant. Perhaps the permissions are screwed or something. If I could get a TB log I could find out. Hopefully the developers will help out.
Bump. Any updates on this? I'm having the same problem
Here is my reply from Titanium Backup support:
"We're sorry, system apps are critical and should not be removed in the first place. Some apps are tightly ROM bounded, while others are dependent on other system entities which could break things when they are removed. We have already provided the warning in the preferences that you will be held responsible of your own actions upon removing the system apps and we will not provide support for restoring them back. In most cases like this, you will have to reflash your ROM or restore your nandroid backup (you must always keep a nandroid handy)."
So in other words - tough sh*t! Not what I was expecting.
I restored my Nandroid and now only freeze apps, and they seem to defrost OK but after that reply I'm wondering if I should continue to use their product.
rec71 said:
Here is my reply from Titanium Backup support:
"We're sorry, system apps are critical and should not be removed in the first place. Some apps are tightly ROM bounded, while others are dependent on other system entities which could break things when they are removed. We have already provided the warning in the preferences that you will be held responsible of your own actions upon removing the system apps and we will not provide support for restoring them back. In most cases like this, you will have to reflash your ROM or restore your nandroid backup (you must always keep a nandroid handy)."
So in other words - tough sh*t! Not what I was expecting.
I restored my Nandroid and now only freeze apps, and they seem to defrost OK but after that reply I'm wondering if I should continue to use their product.
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In fairness they are right, anyone who uninstalls system apps is asking for trouble why would you want to do that in the first place,you can simply freeze any apps you don't use instead, i have most of the Samsung bloatware frozen in Titanium as i don't use them and many of them are responsible for excessive battery drainage.
BTW Titanium Backup is probably the best overall app in the whole market and they always release updates, i highly recommend this app to anyone who doesn't already have it.
As a software developer myself if one of my apps didn't work correctly and a customer asked for help I would do my level best to get to the bottom of the issue instead of fobbing them off.
The app lets you uninstall system apps and restore them again - why would you want to? because on some devices space might be at a premium - I freed up 100MB on my previous device (Xperia Arc S) using this feature for example - which made a big difference.
Luckily I don't need the space on my SII but I'm surprised that the TB devs wouldn't want to find out what the issue is.
rec71 said:
As a software developer myself if one of my apps didn't work correctly and a customer asked for help I would do my level best to get to the bottom of the issue instead of fobbing them off.
The app lets you uninstall system apps and restore them again - why would you want to? because on some devices space might be at a premium - I freed up 100MB on my previous device (Xperia Arc S) using this feature for example - which made a big difference.
Luckily I don't need the space on my SII but I'm surprised that the TB devs wouldn't want to find out what the issue is.
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They know what the issue is. The outcome of removing an restoring system apps is just unpredictable. They gave a warning that it could cause unwanted results. Messing with roms gives unpredicted results.
Same thing happened to my Galaxy Pocket. I uninstalled system apps and can't restore them.
THE solution is wen u want to uninstall an system app den first of all make an back up of DATA of that system app and den go 2 loaction of app through root explorer in internal storage and copy that APK file to ur sd card as backup .
den delete the APK file mannualy or uninstall using titanium backup...
wen u want dat app again den copy the APK to its original old location of system /app and restore the data using titanium backup and just restart the phone..
hope it helps ...
Yes, I can restore system data
Lennyz1988 said:
Can't you just restore systemdata? I assume the apps are there already.
ps you know the downside of restoring system apps?
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To be more thorough:
I am able to restore system data of an app but I can't restore an app.
In fact, if I locate the apk which titanium backup had backed up with a file browser and install it manually, it works fine! I can then restore data with titanium backup.
Issue on my Galaxy SII (no matter what ROM I use)
You shouldn't be restoring system apps at all/you shouldn't need to (the data may be another question though). Why are you wanting to restore system apps/which apps in particular ?
Hey, really quick [Q]
I know that Titanium Backup is pretty much fool-proof these days. But I want to know if it's safe to restore ALL APPS WITH DATA.
Could I potentially screw something up because my previous OS was ICS 4.0.4? I restored my old device ID because I've read that in 99% of circumstances you will want to do that.
So is all apps with data safe? Or should I go about the hours of manually restoring the data myself?
Cheers.
Yes it's safe. App data is independent from os.
So Titanium Backup won't restore older system apps that are incompatible with newer JB apps?
Coolio. Thanks. I literally had my finger hovering over 'backup' lol.
leijonasisu said:
Hey, really quick [Q]
I know that Titanium Backup is pretty much fool-proof these days. But I want to know if it's safe to restore ALL APPS WITH DATA.
Could I potentially screw something up because my previous OS was ICS 4.0.4? I restored my old device ID because I've read that in 99% of circumstances you will want to do that.
So is all apps with data safe? Or should I go about the hours of manually restoring the data myself?
Cheers.
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Use the very 1st restore option "missing apps with data" this will be your user apps. Once clicked u can then select which ones to restore. Never restore OS apps as this might create problems or fc's unless it's something like playlists or WiFi settings.
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