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I've got thick skin so feel free to throw things.
Watching the forum over the last month I've seen a proliferation of ROMs to the point that I've stopped updating - also partly because my favorite and second favorite teams have stopped putting out new versions. I finally succumbed to the burning urge to try another ROM last night but ended up with buyers "meh."
The ROM environment has become so fragmented that it's hard to know what the advantage of ROM a is over ROM b other than appearance.
A comment from one of the ROM makers brought the problem into sharp focus. "I've renamed my ROM because I didn't know one of my team members already had a ROM named X."
How can you be part of a "team" and not know what's being produced by that team?
It seems like we've got more themers producing work in the form of full ROMs rather than themes. I've got nothing against themers, I love packages that can completely change the look of my device and I'm always on the lookout for cool new themes.
I'd rather see ROM maintainers and themers working together where the former group produces faster and more reliable ROMs while the latter group produces mods for those ROMs.
Do the two groups just not want to work closely together or are there predominantly just mostly lone wolves working at the ROM/theme level in Android?
Wrong section. Suppose to go in q&a (QUESTIONS and answers)
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I disagree because it's directly applicable to development and is aimed at the developers. It's not a general q/a question
I agree with this. There's no need to make a "rom" if you just change the theme. Just make a theme and zip it up then post it in the themes section. And oh yea I believe people refer to these people as "winzippers".
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OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.
are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>
But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".
For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.
Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)
If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.
I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)
Wrong section, but I agree.
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Br1cK'd said:
OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
jimmynguyen91 said:
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.
I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
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ferhanmm said:
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
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dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid
them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button
Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.
If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .
But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?
Dear all
Got my HTC HD2 today,Need ur help guys to share best working rom without any bugs,I want to dual boot my HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 & Android
Thanks in Advance
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Dear all
Got my HTC HD2 today,Need ur help guys to share best working rom without any bugs,I want to dual boot my HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 & Android
Thanks in Advance
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Congrats bro and welcome aboard.
Just wanted to point out, this is the Dev forum, Q&A going in the General Section.
Anyhow, you Have Sense rom, Sense 2.1 and CM7 (no Sense, other ui such as LaunchPro or ADW).
You got too many choice.
Pick which you want to test first and enjoy flashing once you get addicted.
You could also put more than one Android build on your SD card. So you can test more than one at once without deleted the other.
Whichever you choose, Good luck
PS: Most famous are CM7 builds
Thanks Bro for replying
i m not new into flashing..already flashed so many phone..m already flashing addicted...i saw so many roms in this forums...i just would like to know that which one is bugs freeee
Thanks
munishjoshi said:
i m not new into flashing..already flashed so many phone..m already flashing addicted...i saw so many roms in this forums...i just would like to know that which one is bugs freeee
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Anyone who knows anything about software(or real life for the matter) will tell you - "it does not exist"
You will have a better luck asking what ROMs people are using and would recommend.
it's hard to say which rom doesnt have bugs... try first. i like the rom from MCCM HD 4.0. i'm using it at this time.
I can personally recommend the AmeriCan Android rom, been using it past months and updates makes it better and better ^^
Personally though, uninstall the NetFlix thing right after putting the rom on, it made my HD2 uber slow, the second it was gone, it was back to super speedy
Hi, could somebody please link me the thread where the multiple versions of abdroid is expaned? Thanks
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Just buy a HTC phone with Android like DHD.. That is not any bug.
I personally like and use JAGUARMIUI 5.
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manhktqd said:
Just buy a HTC phone with Android like DHD.. That is not any bug.
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I´ve been running AmeriCanAndroid GB2.3.3 on my HD2 for over 2 months now and have less bugs than my friend with a stock (updated) DHD.
I could recommend this one and version 2.3.4. I suggest you try that one and give it a go. I can't imagine that this ROM is not good. Be sure to read the last 10 pages of the ROM thread to be sure. I think that´s the best way to check if the latest version doesn´t have any significant bugs. Good luck!
American android. You wont look back
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I have used the following SD Builds during the last 3-4 months. Do not want to switch to NAND as I still have some use for WM. Even tried some of the older RAM builds like Darkstone's SuperRAM Froyo. I am giving my preferences below and check my sig for other info.
1. AmericanAndroid, have tried almost every build since it came out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957652
The two most recent Builds, 05172011, 05192011 and 05212011 have given me the most issues with significant screen lag and persistent wait periods when using these. I tried them with three different SD cards (4G C2, 8G C4, 8G C6) and still had issues. I am now back to the 05032011 Build which runs superbly on two different SD cards (4G C2, 8G C4). I was surprised to find that the Class 2 SD card was the smoothest although I am sure there are variations based on other factors beyond the scope of my intelligence. Everything works like a charm on 05032011 build except Market acts up sometimes. Follow the link for all Builds by date here: http://uploading.com/linklists/debamfea/ACA
2. May 14 BOYPPC Build
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970542
is good too but as is usual we all have our personal preferences and I feel more comfortable with AmericanAndroid. This would be my backup if AmericanAndroid goes loopy.
3. Have used MccMBoxMaX Build too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038694
I have kept it on a separate SD just in case. Pretty solid build but I am sticking to AmericanAndroid for the time being.
I have tried at least 8 releases for the past 6 mths. From one chef to another chef. But for the past 3 mths, I m using MCCM SE V3.3 . I must say it is stable n fluid. I have also recently tried other GB version from MCCM n other chefs..... but I guess its not really that stable yet. Probably someone can recommend me a stable GB version. Would LOVE to get my hand on one of em.
this isn't to mislead anyone...i feel i've gotta say.....mccm doesn't compile his builds from source. his is completely reliant on switching files around....i have yet to see anything i'd trust for a second from him. he's had previous problems with actual chef's and even developers because he breaks xda's rules and steals builds....this isn't just a warren dislikes mccm thing.
use those builds if you wish......but those very builds are 100% reliant on the taking of someone elses compiled source. if he at least built from source code, he'd get some credibility from me.
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this isn't to mislead anyone...i feel i've gotta say.....mccm doesn't compile his builds from source. his is completely reliant on switching files around....i have yet to see anything i'd trust for a second from him. he's had previous problems with actual chef's and even developers because he breaks xda's rules and steals builds....this isn't just a warren dislikes mccm thing.
use those builds if you wish......but those very builds are 100% reliant on the taking of someone elses compiled source. if he at least built from source code, he'd get some credibility from me.
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@warrenb213, thx for letting us know about this issue. I wasn't aware of it but will treat MccM's work cautiously. I'm going to head over to the AmericanAndroid thread to give you thanks which I should have done some time ago.
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this isn't to mislead anyone...i feel i've gotta say.....mccm doesn't compile his builds from source. his is completely reliant on switching files around....i have yet to see anything i'd trust for a second from him. he's had previous problems with actual chef's and even developers because he breaks xda's rules and steals builds....this isn't just a warren dislikes mccm thing.
use those builds if you wish......but those very builds are 100% reliant on the taking of someone elses compiled source. if he at least built from source code, he'd get some credibility from me.
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Hi... Warrenb long time no see. How can u give comments without thinking . Any proof that i stealing your build ? In xda rules u can post build if the other dev give u permissions . Just after giving permissions then give fake info to Moderator after u realized that i better tweaker than u . I got ban because of warez , big 'thanks' to u . But at the end just live with it . If u want to give comment think carefully please.
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Warrenb213
14th May 2011, 09:51 PM
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I feel like I've got to ask....
Did Tytung approve of this SD-build? I ask because Tytung has experience in this already, I don't know why he/she wouldn't convert the build themselves? lol
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This is the reply from the man him self :
tytung
15th May 2011, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenb213
I feel like I've got to ask....
Did Tytung approve of this SD-build? I ask because Tytung has experience in this already, I don't know why he/she wouldn't convert the build themselves? lol
Yes, I approve it.
Thanks to HaPeWe for the time and effort to convert it from NAND ROM.
I have no time to install WM just in order to test SD build.
And I won't like to release a SD version without testing.
That's why I don't release it myself.
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OH man ... feel hurt right
mccmjoon76 said:
Hi... Warrenb long time no see. How can u give comments without thinking . Any proof that i stealing your build ? In xda rules u can post build if the other dev give u permissions . Just after giving permissions then give fake info to Moderator after u realized that i better tweaker than u . I got ban because of warez , big 'thanks' to u . But at the end just live with it . If u want to give comment think carefully please.
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This is the reply from the man him self :
OH man ... feel hurt right
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You were banned for good reason, not once....but twice.
You are NOT CURRENTLY stealing the ACA build because the mod's gave you the choice to take it down or be banned. Wouldn't get too confident. Most of the time, including in our case, you acted before getting permission. I wouldn't be surprised to find out most of your "builds" are the same.
If Tytung approved one of your "hack" builds then that is one example where you did in fact get permission.
What you do though in messing with builds has been observed as quite sloppy, and has proved you to be more of a "theme" applier than anything. I have never seen evidence of anything more than a theme applied. You never have shown source code for the majority of your projects, and when you do it's typically been to a place of no actual value for other folks to check out the source. You can't post people to look @ CM code when your using another dev's compiled source which stems AWAY from the stock CM repo's, for example. But the mod's have been lenient in that regard.
I think carefully before I respond, each and every time. I've not said anything which you could refute, mccm. Or was there something I said more specifically about your technique which you wanted to address?
Tweaker? Sir, if that is what you are then we should give folks like you your own subforum under here, called "Tweaked builds from people that have never compiled a build themselves." ACA is a compiled AND tweaked build, and our files can be found in builds across the HD2 forums.
Any developer which would accept the idea that a fellow not building from source code could make their ROM better than they could themselves, would be kidding themselves and they'd know it.
Nuff said, moving on.
warrenb213 said:
You were banned for good reason, not once....but twice.
You are NOT CURRENTLY stealing the ACA build because the mod's gave you the choice to take it down or be banned. Wouldn't get too confident. Most of the time, including in our case, you acted before getting permission. I wouldn't be surprised to find out most of your "builds" are the same.
If Tytung approved one of your "hack" builds then that is one example where you did in fact get permission.
What you do though in messing with builds has been observed as quite sloppy, and has proved you to be more of a "theme" applier than anything. I have never seen evidence of anything more than a theme applied. You never have shown source code for the majority of your projects, and when you do it's typically been to a place of no actual value for other folks to check out the source. You can't post people to look @ CM code when your using another dev's compiled source which stems AWAY from the stock CM repo's, for example. But the mod's have been lenient in that regard.
I think carefully before I respond, each and every time. I've not said anything which you could refute, mccm. Or was there something I said more specifically about your technique which you wanted to address?
Tweaker? Sir, if that is what you are then we should give folks like you your own subforum under here, called "Tweaked builds from people that have never compiled a build themselves." ACA is a compiled AND tweaked build, and our files can be found in builds across the HD2 forums.
Any developer which would accept the idea that a fellow not building from source code could make their ROM better than they could themselves, would be kidding themselves and they'd know it.
Nuff said, moving on.
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Your right man. Move on! Stop interfere the members that want to share about build.. let them judge by their own.
Banned twice! I make history
U should know the ROM or Build is come from Google we are making it works for HD2. U your self are not builder. Or else u won't be here. U will working with Google.
XDA site is about sharing. I don't mind some one here can come out better build then me. i congrat them. Cause members can enjoy the build daily..
By the way,I being thinking to post up my GB build back here again it will be nice right?
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I see this has turned into a bad conversation.
I don't know why you need to quarrel guys, I mean I have no business of meddling but since you've startet arguing I feel I should add a small opinion, knowing I don't have much right to do so:
MCCM's builds don't even run on my device, and Warren's ones work for 5 minutes then corrupt my SD! and yes that includes AmDroid.
it's not SD-related since I'm already using a build that's stable enough to handle 3 days of constant work on the same card.
Both of you guys are great in what they do really, considering the number of users you serve, but I don't think a public thread is the right place to argue. PMs were created for a reason, and there are MODs to complain to and stuff like that.
In my opinion, no matter who's right here, you both are looking bad.
HD2one
It is an older build, but very stable. I get 2970 on quadrant so it takes full advantage of the HD2's power. I've tried new builds, but i always come back.
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.
I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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RockoDev said:
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.
moparfreak426 said:
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin
Th3Bill; said:
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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shabbypenguin said:
......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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willysp said:
Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the
jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
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A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)
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Fingerprint sensor and laser auto focus , can you please add those?
Yes thats only stopping me from flashing roms
I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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Nevermind,I updated the first post with the bug list so the users can take a look at the bugs in the original CM12.1 thread.
I agree to what @LiquidSolstice said.It's not a big deal to build a bunch of ROMs and post them over the development forum.Maintaining them are difficult. It would've been much better if you maintain a single ROM and work with it.Now you have like 3-4 WIP ROMs without proper testing and it seems like you doesn't own the device
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Sorry if I'm being a douchebag
I maintain all of my ROMs thoroughly.I still say,maintaining is NOT an issue for me.I give out the ROMs to the testers,they test the ROM and report me back with their issues/bugs (if any).I've been building ROMs since 5 months and I like sharing my work with all the people.Yeah,sure thing,anyone can take a look at the ROM building guides out there and make builds and post here,just like me.I've been working on other development projects too (other than building ROMs) but they're not ready yet.You see,interacting with other developers and tech people increases your morale and confidence to do pull yourself deep into the core of the stuff you're working on.For some other guys,I'm just a douchebag who got a good PC with some decent specs and builds all day.Yeah,hell yeah I'm a noob with little development skills,but I'm learning stuff day by day,incorporating and applying that knowledge into my development.I try to maintain all my projects so the users don't get disappointed.I don't have enough money to buy a server so I got a decent PC and start building on it.My only motive is to spread my projects all across the XDA,sharing stuff with people makes me happy.It's just a start,I'm reaching out to the most valuable and efficient developers here in XDA so that I can gain more knowledge.Ofcourse,I am not the greatest dev here but I want to become like one of them.Even though I might be the sh*ttiest maintainer in this whole XDA,but I try to maintain all of my ROMs so that the users don't get disappointed.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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I respect your opinion but I'd still consider it my way,expanding my base and providing more support of ROMs to the community.I just wanna make sure that nobody makes a buzz about me maintaining multiple ROMs while I build on my little machine.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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Sooo.. hold on... OP is a copycat and the HW features of the phone are not working ?
Thanks for being supportive to everyone who used my ROMs.Appreciate it!
Thread closed per OP request.
can someone tell me why the developers have 2.3.4 rom in development, with bugs and little support ??? when it is better to devote time to a single good and seriously attended !!!!
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Same question. There are a few devs who would work on one build then abandon the project completely, and make another build of a different ROM.
Because most of that So called Development is just copy paste job. those guys don't actually develop anything by themselves. otherwise they could have fixed it, instead they wait for actual developers to fix it and just copy from them. :silly:
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Because most of that So called Development is just copy paste job. those guys don't actually develop anything by themselves. otherwise they could have fixed it, instead they wait for actual developers to fix it and just copy from them. :silly:
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[email protected] said:
can someone tell me why the developers have 2.3.4 rom in development, with bugs and little support ??? when it is better to devote time to a single good and seriously attended !!!!
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Because most of that So called Development is just copy paste job. those guys don't actually develop anything by themselves. otherwise they could have fixed it, instead they wait for actual developers to fix it and just copy from them. :silly:
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1. You will know then answer when you try to compile one ROM (Not developing).
2. Compiling a ROM is not just a Copy & Paste work. If it's so... Do yourself.... (its just copy & paste nah..?)
So here is a answer. I'm also started Android Development just 2 weeks ago. And i compiled 4 different ROMs : Lineage, Candy, Slim, Glaze. I'm not doing it for you. But for me. I wanted to learn, no one can start from "Coding Everything from Scratch" especially legacy softwares like kernel and other things. So we start from compiling.... When we successfully compiled a ROM by facing and fixing many Errors. We move on to a new ROM, Coz New ROM will give new errors and we can learn to fix them. You may ask "Why you cant learn from Improving a rom...?" and my answer is "NO ONE IS GONNA TEACH ME HOW TO IMPROVE A ROM". Self learning needs lots of trial and error. So we building many ROMs. If you don't like that or you are a cry baby who cries for "XXXXX is not working" or "Poor XXXX". Just stick with STOCK ROM. XDA is for Learning and Not Only for SERVING YOU A BUG FREE, FULLY OPTIMIZED, FULLY FEATURED CUSTOM ROM for FREE.
Sorry.... if anything hurts anyone... I mean it.
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1. You will know then answer when you try to compile one ROM (Not developing).
2. Compiling a ROM is not just a Copy & Paste work. If it's so... Do yourself.... (its just copy & paste nah..?)
So here is a answer. I'm also started Android Development just 2 weeks ago. And i compiled 4 different ROMs : Lineage, Candy, Slim, Glaze. I'm not doing it for you. But for me. I wanted to learn, no one can start from "Coding Everything from Scratch" especially legacy softwares like kernel and other things. So we start from compiling.... When we successfully compiled a ROM by facing and fixing many Errors. We move on to a new ROM, Coz New ROM will give new errors and we can learn to fix them. You may ask "Why you cant learn from Improving a rom...?" and my answer is "NO ONE IS GONNA TEACH ME HOW TO IMPROVE A ROM". Self learning needs lots of trial and error. So we building many ROMs. If you don't like that or you are a cry baby who cries for "XXXXX is not working" or "Poor XXXX". Just stick with STOCK ROM. XDA is for Learning and Not Only for SERVING YOU A BUG FREE, FULLY OPTIMIZED, FULLY FEATURED CUSTOM ROM for FREE.
Sorry.... if anything hurts anyone... I mean it.
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Why did you took it personally lol? it was just an observation. yes there are people who want to learn and they have to start somewhere. nothing wrong in that. but when you see same people doing exactly same thing for a long time and not improving upon that. it becomes clear what they are doing.
and i never ask for fix this fix that, cuz i know who are actually developing and who are just waiting for fix to be developed by someone else. so no point asking. you sound like someone who wants to learn. but that doesn't mean everyone else is like you. there are people who as i said haven't learn anything but just copy paste cherry-pick for donation money. i rarely see anyone with their own piece of code. happens even more with kernel btw.
and yes i have compiled cm13 2 year ago that's the reason why i know this, and currently using my own (copy-paste haha) kernel for both MG5/nexus 5x. although i haven't released it. nor i'll. (source is on my git if you don't believe).
Anyway, best of luck for your learning, i hope you will learn a lot and will be able to fix problems by yourself instead of waiting for others. it's a long road ahead :good:
First of all, people always mistake ROM/Kernel etc development (not talking about app and other development which are indeed) as profession of devs, they do it in their FREE time because they like it, for example you play basketball because you like it.
Secondly, when there is shortage of ROMs, you yourself would complain about it, please correct me if I'm wrong. Different ROMs have different flavours, and everyone of us likes tasting different flavours. If you're worried about why a thread owner isn't updating it, you can migrate to other one instead of complaining about it.
Some guys have enough skills to compile ROMs, but not the ability to work on source code. So they wait for fixes by those who work on source, and update their ROMs as soon as bug is fixed. Also, compiling can be the start of learning development for guys.
Although I agree with @kraatus90 on some points, there are some things that I don't. First of all, there's no point of redoing the whole kernel, vendor, tree source stuff when you can use the available code with some modifications, obviously the one who uses it have to give proper credits to the bringup dev and other contributors. Also it should be moral duty of the forker to improve the forked code, be it in small or big ways. Simply forking, compiling and PUBLISHING is certainly disheartening and condemnable.