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Fingerprint sensor and laser auto focus , can you please add those?
Yes thats only stopping me from flashing roms
I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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Nevermind,I updated the first post with the bug list so the users can take a look at the bugs in the original CM12.1 thread.
I agree to what @LiquidSolstice said.It's not a big deal to build a bunch of ROMs and post them over the development forum.Maintaining them are difficult. It would've been much better if you maintain a single ROM and work with it.Now you have like 3-4 WIP ROMs without proper testing and it seems like you doesn't own the device
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Sorry if I'm being a douchebag
I maintain all of my ROMs thoroughly.I still say,maintaining is NOT an issue for me.I give out the ROMs to the testers,they test the ROM and report me back with their issues/bugs (if any).I've been building ROMs since 5 months and I like sharing my work with all the people.Yeah,sure thing,anyone can take a look at the ROM building guides out there and make builds and post here,just like me.I've been working on other development projects too (other than building ROMs) but they're not ready yet.You see,interacting with other developers and tech people increases your morale and confidence to do pull yourself deep into the core of the stuff you're working on.For some other guys,I'm just a douchebag who got a good PC with some decent specs and builds all day.Yeah,hell yeah I'm a noob with little development skills,but I'm learning stuff day by day,incorporating and applying that knowledge into my development.I try to maintain all my projects so the users don't get disappointed.I don't have enough money to buy a server so I got a decent PC and start building on it.My only motive is to spread my projects all across the XDA,sharing stuff with people makes me happy.It's just a start,I'm reaching out to the most valuable and efficient developers here in XDA so that I can gain more knowledge.Ofcourse,I am not the greatest dev here but I want to become like one of them.Even though I might be the sh*ttiest maintainer in this whole XDA,but I try to maintain all of my ROMs so that the users don't get disappointed.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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I respect your opinion but I'd still consider it my way,expanding my base and providing more support of ROMs to the community.I just wanna make sure that nobody makes a buzz about me maintaining multiple ROMs while I build on my little machine.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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Sooo.. hold on... OP is a copycat and the HW features of the phone are not working ?
Thanks for being supportive to everyone who used my ROMs.Appreciate it!
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Dear all
Got my HTC HD2 today,Need ur help guys to share best working rom without any bugs,I want to dual boot my HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 & Android
Thanks in Advance
munishjoshi said:
Dear all
Got my HTC HD2 today,Need ur help guys to share best working rom without any bugs,I want to dual boot my HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 & Android
Thanks in Advance
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Congrats bro and welcome aboard.
Just wanted to point out, this is the Dev forum, Q&A going in the General Section.
Anyhow, you Have Sense rom, Sense 2.1 and CM7 (no Sense, other ui such as LaunchPro or ADW).
You got too many choice.
Pick which you want to test first and enjoy flashing once you get addicted.
You could also put more than one Android build on your SD card. So you can test more than one at once without deleted the other.
Whichever you choose, Good luck
PS: Most famous are CM7 builds
Thanks Bro for replying
i m not new into flashing..already flashed so many phone..m already flashing addicted...i saw so many roms in this forums...i just would like to know that which one is bugs freeee
Thanks
munishjoshi said:
i m not new into flashing..already flashed so many phone..m already flashing addicted...i saw so many roms in this forums...i just would like to know that which one is bugs freeee
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Anyone who knows anything about software(or real life for the matter) will tell you - "it does not exist"
You will have a better luck asking what ROMs people are using and would recommend.
it's hard to say which rom doesnt have bugs... try first. i like the rom from MCCM HD 4.0. i'm using it at this time.
I can personally recommend the AmeriCan Android rom, been using it past months and updates makes it better and better ^^
Personally though, uninstall the NetFlix thing right after putting the rom on, it made my HD2 uber slow, the second it was gone, it was back to super speedy
Hi, could somebody please link me the thread where the multiple versions of abdroid is expaned? Thanks
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Just buy a HTC phone with Android like DHD.. That is not any bug.
I personally like and use JAGUARMIUI 5.
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manhktqd said:
Just buy a HTC phone with Android like DHD.. That is not any bug.
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I´ve been running AmeriCanAndroid GB2.3.3 on my HD2 for over 2 months now and have less bugs than my friend with a stock (updated) DHD.
I could recommend this one and version 2.3.4. I suggest you try that one and give it a go. I can't imagine that this ROM is not good. Be sure to read the last 10 pages of the ROM thread to be sure. I think that´s the best way to check if the latest version doesn´t have any significant bugs. Good luck!
American android. You wont look back
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I have used the following SD Builds during the last 3-4 months. Do not want to switch to NAND as I still have some use for WM. Even tried some of the older RAM builds like Darkstone's SuperRAM Froyo. I am giving my preferences below and check my sig for other info.
1. AmericanAndroid, have tried almost every build since it came out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957652
The two most recent Builds, 05172011, 05192011 and 05212011 have given me the most issues with significant screen lag and persistent wait periods when using these. I tried them with three different SD cards (4G C2, 8G C4, 8G C6) and still had issues. I am now back to the 05032011 Build which runs superbly on two different SD cards (4G C2, 8G C4). I was surprised to find that the Class 2 SD card was the smoothest although I am sure there are variations based on other factors beyond the scope of my intelligence. Everything works like a charm on 05032011 build except Market acts up sometimes. Follow the link for all Builds by date here: http://uploading.com/linklists/debamfea/ACA
2. May 14 BOYPPC Build
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970542
is good too but as is usual we all have our personal preferences and I feel more comfortable with AmericanAndroid. This would be my backup if AmericanAndroid goes loopy.
3. Have used MccMBoxMaX Build too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038694
I have kept it on a separate SD just in case. Pretty solid build but I am sticking to AmericanAndroid for the time being.
I have tried at least 8 releases for the past 6 mths. From one chef to another chef. But for the past 3 mths, I m using MCCM SE V3.3 . I must say it is stable n fluid. I have also recently tried other GB version from MCCM n other chefs..... but I guess its not really that stable yet. Probably someone can recommend me a stable GB version. Would LOVE to get my hand on one of em.
this isn't to mislead anyone...i feel i've gotta say.....mccm doesn't compile his builds from source. his is completely reliant on switching files around....i have yet to see anything i'd trust for a second from him. he's had previous problems with actual chef's and even developers because he breaks xda's rules and steals builds....this isn't just a warren dislikes mccm thing.
use those builds if you wish......but those very builds are 100% reliant on the taking of someone elses compiled source. if he at least built from source code, he'd get some credibility from me.
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this isn't to mislead anyone...i feel i've gotta say.....mccm doesn't compile his builds from source. his is completely reliant on switching files around....i have yet to see anything i'd trust for a second from him. he's had previous problems with actual chef's and even developers because he breaks xda's rules and steals builds....this isn't just a warren dislikes mccm thing.
use those builds if you wish......but those very builds are 100% reliant on the taking of someone elses compiled source. if he at least built from source code, he'd get some credibility from me.
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@warrenb213, thx for letting us know about this issue. I wasn't aware of it but will treat MccM's work cautiously. I'm going to head over to the AmericanAndroid thread to give you thanks which I should have done some time ago.
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this isn't to mislead anyone...i feel i've gotta say.....mccm doesn't compile his builds from source. his is completely reliant on switching files around....i have yet to see anything i'd trust for a second from him. he's had previous problems with actual chef's and even developers because he breaks xda's rules and steals builds....this isn't just a warren dislikes mccm thing.
use those builds if you wish......but those very builds are 100% reliant on the taking of someone elses compiled source. if he at least built from source code, he'd get some credibility from me.
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Hi... Warrenb long time no see. How can u give comments without thinking . Any proof that i stealing your build ? In xda rules u can post build if the other dev give u permissions . Just after giving permissions then give fake info to Moderator after u realized that i better tweaker than u . I got ban because of warez , big 'thanks' to u . But at the end just live with it . If u want to give comment think carefully please.
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Warrenb213
14th May 2011, 09:51 PM
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I feel like I've got to ask....
Did Tytung approve of this SD-build? I ask because Tytung has experience in this already, I don't know why he/she wouldn't convert the build themselves? lol
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This is the reply from the man him self :
tytung
15th May 2011, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenb213
I feel like I've got to ask....
Did Tytung approve of this SD-build? I ask because Tytung has experience in this already, I don't know why he/she wouldn't convert the build themselves? lol
Yes, I approve it.
Thanks to HaPeWe for the time and effort to convert it from NAND ROM.
I have no time to install WM just in order to test SD build.
And I won't like to release a SD version without testing.
That's why I don't release it myself.
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OH man ... feel hurt right
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Hi... Warrenb long time no see. How can u give comments without thinking . Any proof that i stealing your build ? In xda rules u can post build if the other dev give u permissions . Just after giving permissions then give fake info to Moderator after u realized that i better tweaker than u . I got ban because of warez , big 'thanks' to u . But at the end just live with it . If u want to give comment think carefully please.
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This is the reply from the man him self :
OH man ... feel hurt right
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You were banned for good reason, not once....but twice.
You are NOT CURRENTLY stealing the ACA build because the mod's gave you the choice to take it down or be banned. Wouldn't get too confident. Most of the time, including in our case, you acted before getting permission. I wouldn't be surprised to find out most of your "builds" are the same.
If Tytung approved one of your "hack" builds then that is one example where you did in fact get permission.
What you do though in messing with builds has been observed as quite sloppy, and has proved you to be more of a "theme" applier than anything. I have never seen evidence of anything more than a theme applied. You never have shown source code for the majority of your projects, and when you do it's typically been to a place of no actual value for other folks to check out the source. You can't post people to look @ CM code when your using another dev's compiled source which stems AWAY from the stock CM repo's, for example. But the mod's have been lenient in that regard.
I think carefully before I respond, each and every time. I've not said anything which you could refute, mccm. Or was there something I said more specifically about your technique which you wanted to address?
Tweaker? Sir, if that is what you are then we should give folks like you your own subforum under here, called "Tweaked builds from people that have never compiled a build themselves." ACA is a compiled AND tweaked build, and our files can be found in builds across the HD2 forums.
Any developer which would accept the idea that a fellow not building from source code could make their ROM better than they could themselves, would be kidding themselves and they'd know it.
Nuff said, moving on.
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You were banned for good reason, not once....but twice.
You are NOT CURRENTLY stealing the ACA build because the mod's gave you the choice to take it down or be banned. Wouldn't get too confident. Most of the time, including in our case, you acted before getting permission. I wouldn't be surprised to find out most of your "builds" are the same.
If Tytung approved one of your "hack" builds then that is one example where you did in fact get permission.
What you do though in messing with builds has been observed as quite sloppy, and has proved you to be more of a "theme" applier than anything. I have never seen evidence of anything more than a theme applied. You never have shown source code for the majority of your projects, and when you do it's typically been to a place of no actual value for other folks to check out the source. You can't post people to look @ CM code when your using another dev's compiled source which stems AWAY from the stock CM repo's, for example. But the mod's have been lenient in that regard.
I think carefully before I respond, each and every time. I've not said anything which you could refute, mccm. Or was there something I said more specifically about your technique which you wanted to address?
Tweaker? Sir, if that is what you are then we should give folks like you your own subforum under here, called "Tweaked builds from people that have never compiled a build themselves." ACA is a compiled AND tweaked build, and our files can be found in builds across the HD2 forums.
Any developer which would accept the idea that a fellow not building from source code could make their ROM better than they could themselves, would be kidding themselves and they'd know it.
Nuff said, moving on.
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Your right man. Move on! Stop interfere the members that want to share about build.. let them judge by their own.
Banned twice! I make history
U should know the ROM or Build is come from Google we are making it works for HD2. U your self are not builder. Or else u won't be here. U will working with Google.
XDA site is about sharing. I don't mind some one here can come out better build then me. i congrat them. Cause members can enjoy the build daily..
By the way,I being thinking to post up my GB build back here again it will be nice right?
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I see this has turned into a bad conversation.
I don't know why you need to quarrel guys, I mean I have no business of meddling but since you've startet arguing I feel I should add a small opinion, knowing I don't have much right to do so:
MCCM's builds don't even run on my device, and Warren's ones work for 5 minutes then corrupt my SD! and yes that includes AmDroid.
it's not SD-related since I'm already using a build that's stable enough to handle 3 days of constant work on the same card.
Both of you guys are great in what they do really, considering the number of users you serve, but I don't think a public thread is the right place to argue. PMs were created for a reason, and there are MODs to complain to and stuff like that.
In my opinion, no matter who's right here, you both are looking bad.
HD2one
It is an older build, but very stable. I get 2970 on quadrant so it takes full advantage of the HD2's power. I've tried new builds, but i always come back.
Hey everyone,
We've made a small change to this forum by giving it a different name. This is now the *default* Android development forum for Galaxy S II. Any works that are completely original will be filed in the Original Android Development forum. Everything else will go here.
We have a more long-term solution to the ROM situation in the works. It'll be a database-driven ROM upload tool that will make it super easy for users to find and rate the ROMs that you upload. You'll be hearing more about this in the coming months.
For now, please continue to provide feedback. Thank you for your help in making XDA a more organized place.
Thanks!
P.S. If you think your ROM should be placed in the Original Android Development forum, send me a PM.
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Sveitus,
I am dissapointed that the original explainatory thread was closed without reason after it was collecting opposing comments. Not cool.
I believe what you've posted (not done, I am confident that this was done with some consultation, somewhere) should be discussed in a wider context.
To that end, I've opened a thread in the XDA general forum with an admittedly emotive title "First and Second Class ROMS, 1st, 2nd class users". Please track this thread, assuming it's not lost amidst the noise.
I would have posted my concerns in the original notification thread except...
What gives?
Just imagine someone from sensation comes here and sees two development threads...
Sensation owners must be jealous by now..
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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I 100% support this view...
If this is the case, then no custom roms should be in "original" section, as they are all derived from the stock manufacturer's roms.
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But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
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The other thread was closed because it was a discussion on the Derived ROMs Forum format, which as you state wasn't what we hoped it would be. So, changed the forum format. The old discussion was closed and a new one started to discuss this iteration. The thread was also started and stuck by svetius.
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I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
Clearer..
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This titling does make it clearer..
Example:
Original Development: CM7
It's built from the ground up with a myriad of coded additions to be a truly 'Original' product.
Development: Everything else
All other ROMS are stock deodexed upgrades.
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Don't like this idea...
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
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Closed or deleted - did not see it but no big difference anyway.
And there is nothing obvious neither about the closing nor the separation.
If you like to install a new tool do so. Build it, introduce it. Till then leave things as they were, stop separation and maybe excuse for the mess you produced by an unbiased decision... My 5 ct
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I really don't understand what an "original ROM" is. Google wrote the only original Android ROM imho.
here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
Simple Result:
As far as I see; Some devs are out of business and as far as I feel, more to be...
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here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
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Uhm actually the fact that thread was buried a few pages until yesterday meant svetius may have missed it. Moved it across.
That's grand, we don't have derivated roms anymore, we have originals and others (stolen, fakes, not so cool). I like the way mods are listening...
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I must admit, the way the mods have chosen to separate the two development sections doesn't sit well with me at all. The criteria for which section a ROM goes in to is very subjective and open to various interpretations, all of which are prone to the moderator's possible bias.
Strictly speaking, only one or two ROMs are 'original development' and belong in that section. All the others are derivatives in some way or another.
A better way to clean up the dev forum would be to have a couple of sub-sections; perhaps one for all ROMs (regardless of source), one for kernels and related modifications and another for android-specific modifications. Then, be strict about enforcing the sub-section criteria. Also, ask ROM chefs to state in their OP whether the ROM is based on another ROM and to credit the original developer/chef.
Everything else goes in Themes & Apps.
Also, having a mandatory format for thread titles (a la the HD2 forum) is an excellent way to keep things tidy and ensure that people know when a new release has been posted and what the releases are based upon. It worked over in HD2 rather well I thought. After coming from an HD2 to the S2, I thought that the S2 forums were a little untidy to say the least.
Ok, serious mode off, back to my usual sarcastic self.
OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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No harm in disagreeing! If enough people disagree, the mods may relent on this decision.
Here is Our new forum.
XDA, the moderators and the powers that be.... have been wrestling with trying to differentiate the Difference between the Code-writing Development and the Quasi-developers that use rom cooking tools or are just porting roms.
To that end we will be going through the development threads in the next couple of weeks and moving the appropriate threads that meet the original code requirement to be placed in this new forum.
Please bear in mind that this is a "Work in Progress" and will take a bit of time to hone and perfect what goes where.
Also, please understand that this does not mean that some developers are on some special pedestal. That is not the case.
I will use an analogy to explain:
A music composer writes an original piece of music. The music composition may be awesome... but his performance of it, may not.
Such often is the case in developers..... often someone comes up with a awesome idea or new code application, but it often ends up being perfected by the use of others putting their creative spin on it.
That is the beauty of The Android Platform and ....XDA provides a fertile field for all to share ideas and collectively improve our experience.
Additionally, we need to provide and track the proper credit to the original code writing Developer and better comply with the GPL requirements of Android......
I hope this clarifys the potential questions
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I though this forum is for all the Samsung original/stock roms
TL;DR version.
Stuff you've made. Pure AOSP ROM's you've built from sauce. Or a AOKP ROM you've buildt.
"Cooked" ROMs, like taking a TouchWiz ROM and just adding some APKs etc is not original developement.
So does my Asylum ICS count as original? Since every version is built from source? And then modified to my liking?
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So does my Asylum ICS count as original? Since every version is built from source? And then modified to my liking?
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AFAIK, Asylum will be considered as a cooked ROM with AOKP/CM9 as the base
Saw this sometime back in HOX forums and liked the idea. Glad it's here in Note's forums too. If not anything, it will make the development forum a less pain to search, at least it was for me. Now I can look up to the original ROMs here, and their derivatives in the other section. Cool enough!
FIRRST!!!
Ah shoot!
Liking this idea, but it means an extra click for my daily routine, heh
This should be labelled "AOSP ROMs" and the other "TouchWizz ROMs" for better clarification.
Good to see a separate forum. Now it is well organized and less cluttered.
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AFAIK, Asylum will be considered as a cooked ROM with AOKP/CM9 as the base
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IMHO - any ROM or kernel built from source should be in original development.
I mean, with parth's logic, CM9 isn't original development as it uses AOSP as base...
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IMHO - any ROM or kernel built from source should be in original development.
I mean, with parth's logic, CM9 isn't original development as it uses AOSP as base...
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^lol good point there :good:
Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs. This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs.
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Use your hands.
This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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This is how it should be. If you want only COOKED ROM THREADS go to the old Development Section.
This Forum is a very good idea as I know exactly where I will be heading now.
anonymous572 said:
Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs. This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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+1 here, i think the developers and "porters" deserves the same credit, Developers for Develop new features and Porters to make speddy ROMs.
with this, new members can be confused (thinking that many do not read the rules and announcements)
Just my opinion...But the moderators has the decision
Cya
How do we request certain threads to be moved from Android Dev -> Original Android Dev and vice-versa? The few that have been put here appear to be a bit random...
eg. If GL_NOTECORE kernel is considered "original" dev, then why isn't the Goku kernel also here? Both of those are based off Speedmod K3-3 after all...
It is what it is. Let the mods do the job. I never lose my threads simply because I subscribe them under my favorite folders. Quite a smooth transition. I was not even aware some of the threads are moved here Now I know why there is separation in GT-I9100 sections.
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with this, new members can be confused (thinking that many do not read the rules and announcements)
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New members get confused because they do not read. The number of subforums (5 or 6) won't add much of confusion.
I'm happy with this new structure. I got a little bit tired from too many innovative ROMs with tweaks, themes, addons and - my favorite - boot animations. Even Kernels start to spread (like clones of hardore's SpeedMod).
Now I start every morning with the OAD forum looking for real changes.
Boy124 said:
Use your hands.
This is how it should be. If you want only COOKED ROM THREADS go to the old Development Section.
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Couldn't agree more.
aussiebum said:
How do we request certain threads to be moved from Android Dev -> Original Android Dev and vice-versa? The few that have been put here appear to be a bit random...
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If you know what you do, you can report them.
eg. If GL_NOTECORE kernel is considered "original" dev, then why isn't the Goku kernel also here? Both of those are based off Speedmod K3-3 after all...
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Not really, GL_NOTECORE is based on Samsung source (with inspirations from hardcore and others), while Goku kernel is based specifically on SpeedMod kernel :
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Introducing my custom built kernel for ICS Touchwiz ROMsFeatures:
- Built from HK ICS Opensource 1 (July 7th release)
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funky81 presents Goku Kernel, a kernel based on hardcore masterpiece, SpeedMod Kernel OCS K3-3
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Actually, both my own and Funky81's kernel (Goku) are both built from source with original development.
We are simply applying a patch that hardcore made for the original code source release which address some issues that we would have had to address anyway. there is no point in re-inventing the wheel. In my latest releases built from the newer source I am not even applying hardcores patch, just grabbing a few alterations that were made so the code compiles properly.
In fact, both of our kernels are vastly different from Hardcore's in respect to what we are trying to achieve with them. I am going for all out speed, and had to devise my own code (and follow the horrendously awful Exynos4 for developers manual from Samsung) to inject the correct overclocking PLL and register values into the code. This is not something that Hardcore, or anyone else apart from Thor (for cm9) has done with the kernel.
funky has made lots of alterations too, so neither of our kernels can really be called "speedmod clones" and to do so, without reading at the very least the OP of each thread and understanding what is being said, is a little disrespectful.
To follow another analogy along the lines of oka1's from the OP
If speedmod is building the basic car, Funky81 and myself are designing the turbo, exhaust system, air intake and tuning the ECU and packaging it all together. Both are as important as each other and both are original.
Thanks for your explainations. (out of thx for today)
Most of the official ROMS are still in alpha, beta or nightly with no milestone version. Why is that?
Because most people don't rely on roms....xposed framework has greatly impacted my usage of roms.
I dunno why. Most of what I have used certainly didn't feel like a beta.
I am pretty gosh darn thankful we have what we have considering the limited number of newer devices with Verizon that can be tinkered with.
Exactly,
You should be thankful for what you have and not question what you don't.
A lot of devs and myself have jumped to the nexus 6, yet we still come here and build for you guys.
jfriend33 said:
Because most people don't rely on roms....xposed framework has greatly impacted my usage of roms.
I dunno why. Most of what I have used certainly didn't feel like a beta.
I am pretty gosh darn thankful we have what we have considering the limited number of newer devices with Verizon that can be tinkered with.
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I'm only curious because it's over a year old and they are still in this stage. That's all.
bweN diorD said:
Exactly,
You should be thankful for what you have and not question what you don't.
A lot of devs and myself have jumped to the nexus 6, yet we still come here and build for you guys.
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What was the purpose of your reply?
digitallure said:
What was the purpose of your reply?
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What was the purpose of your question? To piss of the few devs that still build for the g3?
Because thats how it came off, as ungrateful.
bweN diorD said:
What was the purpose of your question? To piss of the few devs that still build for the g3?
Because thats how it came off, as ungrateful.
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Well you need some perspective glasses. My question was just that, a question. If you have a problem with my question, maybe you should've asked someone else what they thought I'd the question instead of jumping to the conclusion that my question was other than a question. Don't be a troll.
Why would you insult someone who is contributing to the community? He was just saying that you shouldn't worry about the state of the roms here just be thankful that there is something for you to flash since a lot of developers have moved on from this device. I don't think your original question was wrong but the way you handled the responses were. Again just be thankful you have what you have or install Linux and compile the roms yourself.
Wow... His question didn't seem too insulting to me, just a bit ignorant and curious.
Most 'Unofficial' ROMs are work that someone has ported to the device; they are not supported by the teams that made the original.
Official ROMs are created by and most supported by the team on the specific device; the download is usually a link to the team's website. However, in many cases, they may only have one device among them and have not tested everything to the extent that either a test group or the public at large would, naturally. Development is always a WIP, so the BETA indicator is almost universal in custom ROMs where there is not major funding. More often, stock-based ROMs are called stable, because they are working with the base of a stable product that includes all the proprietary drivers and frameworks, vetted by a commissioned dev team at the OEM and another at the carrier.
Some devs/teams here are able to do more testing than others, but the BETA is often an exemption for anything that might not have been found in limited testing. In short, a ROM is often in beta because it has not been thoroughly tested by numerous testers on a specific device, providing detailed feedback and some debugging to the dev team. The more that users here dig in and try to help as opposed to saying "Does this work on this?" or "Why this don't workee??", the more stable those Beta ROMs tend to be--and some are rock solid or only have a few niggles.
Also, if the codebase that a dev starts with is a beta or nightly release (e.g. CM or PA), the child/forked ROM will most always carry over the alpha or beta label.
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Why would you insult someone who is contributing to the community? He was just saying that you shouldn't worry about the state of the roms here just be thankful that there is something for you to flash since a lot of developers have moved on from this device. I don't think your original question was wrong but the way you handled the responses were. Again just be thankful you have what you have or install Linux and compile the roms yourself.
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But I wasn't complaining. Simply asking a question about alpha and beta ROMs for the device. How is that insulting? If that was insulting, then every post made should be insulting. Why go any deeper? I just asked a question.
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Wow... His question didn't seem too insulting to me, just a bit ignorant and curious.
Most 'Unofficial' ROMs are work that someone has ported to the device; they are not supported by the teams that made the original.
Official ROMs are created by and most supported by the team on the specific device; the download is usually a link to the team's website. However, in many cases, they may only have one device among them and have not tested everything to the extent that either a test group or the public at large would, naturally. Development is always a WIP, so the BETA indicator is almost universal in custom ROMs where there is not major funding. More often, stock-based ROMs are called stable, because they are working with the base of a stable product that includes all the proprietary drivers and frameworks, vetted by a commissioned dev team at the OEM and another at the carrier.
Some devs/teams here are able to do more testing than others, but the BETA is often an exemption for anything that might not have been found in limited testing. In short, a ROM is often in beta because it has not been thoroughly tested by numerous testers on a specific device, providing detailed feedback and some debugging to the dev team. The more that users here dig in and try to help as opposed to saying "Does this work on this?" or "Why this don't workee??", the more stable those Beta ROMs tend to be--and some are rock solid or only have a few niggles.
Also, if the codebase that a dev starts with is a beta or nightly release (e.g. CM or PA), the child/forked ROM will most always carry over the alpha or beta label.
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Thank you! Ignorant, yes. Curious yes, that's all. Ignorant because I don't know. Curious because I want to know why.
digitallure said:
Thank you! Ignorant, yes. Curious yes, that's all. Ignorant because I don't know. Curious because I want to know why.
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I get it, but you have to know your audience a little. Here, it's a bunch of developers and enthusiasts who freely give their time, skills, and work. While your question was about labels and versioning, the way that it is written, some may take it as "Why isn't your contribution further along and/or more stable than it is? Hell, it's been a year! How do you account for this?"
That BS isn't right when it's coming from someone who is paying you thousands for your work.
Please pay a bit more attention to the reason why most of us bought this phone: https://www.androidauthority.com/motorola-moto-z3-play-review-885207/
Must I stress this? I'm sure I am not the only one getting annoyed by the lack of Moto Mod support in most current Custom Roms.
(Pixel Experience and Lineage 15.1 implementing it the best when it comes to 8.1)
There is even an entire sub redit complaining about this...
I am no developer myself, but here it is laid out on how to make a ROM that supports most Moto Mods, this seemed a bit buried and hard to find, but seems extremely useful as if someone has already done the nitty gritty work:
There is a detailed Mod Porting tutorial at the bottom of this thread:
> https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72601804&postcount=2 <
And I don't know if this is possible but it would also be great to have something like a flashable zip or base that supported Moto Mods for treble or/GSI ROMS in the future.
If anyone can get a Pie rom working with MODS soon enough, you'll beat Motorola to it. Think about that... you could work for them, because sadly it's something they haven't accomplished yet lol.
This should be in MOTO Z2 PLAY GUIDES, NEWS, & DISCUSSION.
Try looking, it has been explained before why we only have battery mod support. Besides, development is dead, there are no Devs now.
Cupcake 1.5 said:
Try looking, it has been explained before why we only have battery mod support. Besides, development is dead, there are no Devs now.
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I looked and I found that it is possible to have more than the battery mod support, hence this post. The ROM I am on now, lineage 15.1 (Oreo 8.1 with November security patch)> works with my projector mode also.
Past custom Roms have also supported more than the battery mod.
I hope I don't have to explain the concept of looking to you, there are no Devs currently, development is not dead, they are waiting for/working on Pie. That you would know if you have been looking and reading the forums and posts by Devs.
moonlightdrive said:
This should be in MOTO Z2 PLAY GUIDES, NEWS, & DISCUSSION.
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Tell me, where is it more likely to be seen by Devs?
MusicAlleyInc said:
I looked and I found that it is possible to have more than the battery mod support, hence this post. The ROM I am on now, lineage 15.1 (Oreo 8.1 with November security patch)> works with my projector mode also.
Past custom Roms have also supported more than the battery mod.
I hope I don't have to explain the concept of looking to you, there are no Devs currently, development is not dead, they are waiting for/working on Pie. That you would know if you have been looking and reading the forums and posts by Devs.
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For your information, one of the old Devs here said only battery mod for z2 play because the other mods caused too many problems on custom ROMs. Also, nobody is working on pie on xda for z2p. The Devs that where here all left, they are not waiting, they moved on.
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For your information, one of the old Devs here said only battery mod for z2 play because the other mods caused too many problems on custom ROMs. Also, nobody is working on pie on xda for z2p. The Devs that where here all left, they are not waiting, they moved on.
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Even tho I have proof of the projector mod working very stable on my phone on lineage 15.1 January security update???? And other mods in the link I supplied in the post??? Cool story...
The whole point of this post was to help devs like that accomplish it. I am guessing this is one reason why many give up...You have no idea how incorrect you are obviously, I have read 2 devs for these mod compatible ROMS state they were waiting for Pie. Because 8.1 is sufficiently accomplished now. Waiting= no current activity/posts/8.1 updates. I just technically had a dev here work on lineage 15.1 for me yesterday, compiling the new security update.
Want the link to this best ROM for the phone right now or can you LOOK for it by yourself? Thanks to me it's really not hard to find.
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Even tho I have proof of the projector mod working very stable on my phone on lineage 15.1 January security update???? And other mods in the link I supplied in the post??? Cool story...
The whole point of this post was to help devs like that accomplish it. I am guessing this is one reason why many give up...You have no idea how incorrect you are obviously, I have read 3 devs for these mod compatible ROMS state they were waiting for Pie. Because 8.1 is sufficiently accomplished now. Waiting= no current activity/posts/8.1 updates. I just had a dev here work in lineage 15.1 for me yesterday, compiling the new security update.
Want the link to this best ROM for the phone right now or can you LOOK for it by yourself? Thanks to me it's really not hard to find.
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I was going to respond to your misunderstandings but, had to much of a giggle at your progressive edits to further attack me. Goodbye, no time for you.
Please explain this misunderstanding of mine:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z2-play/development/rom-lineageos-15-1-t3731228/page42
And look where that got me. 2 stable mods, 8.1 64 bit, January security patch and even a microg version.
Again I will add another screenshot taken from the post about mod compatibility.
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Fact: A Dev compiled a security update for lineage albus yesterday. Another made a microg variant a few weeks ago.
Fact: the link in this post is how stable mod support can be accomplished.
Cupcake 1.5 said:
Try looking, it has been explained before why we only have battery mod support. Besides, development is dead, there are no Devs now.
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K.O.
This was your original comment, you were clearly claiming we only have battery mod support now, and why that is.
On a post containing information to why that is not, and how we can achieve more than that.
Like wow...
MusicAlleyInc said:
K.O.
This was your original comment, you were clearly claiming we only have battery mod support now, and why that is.
On a post containing information to why that is not, and how we can achieve more than that.
Like wow...
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Correct, I was claiming based on the last information I had from a Dev. And you seem to have found the answer, I stand corrected. Finished?
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Correct, I was claiming based on the last information I had from a Dev. And you seem to have found the answer, I stand corrected. Finished?
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Sure, please enjoy the ROM.
I was initially perturbed mostly because you told me to go look, when I had already spent countless hours looking and finding. Thanks for acknowledging this.
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Tell me, where is it more likely to be seen by Devs?
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It's gonna be more likely to be seen in the right thread section (as now). Otherwise it looks like you believe that you are higher than the rules we all here try to respect (the convenient thing is to keep each section ordered).
Have a nice day. :good:
guys, guuuys !! You done bickering, have you?
Now please have a look back at your posts, they look better, don`t they?
Further inflammatory posts containing disrespectful and useless remarks like "stupid, idiotic, butt-hurt" and so on will be removed and not only edited would also unleash some "respectful" pm`s straight to your inbox.
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Tell me, where is it more likely to be seen by Devs?
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if it is a discussion then it must take place in this section, and "to be more visible" this is up to the level of conversation, what needs to be seen it will be always seen.
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Please keep it civil and enjoy the forums.
Thank you!
as long as the topic has drastically changed its direction and no one is interested anymore, I`ll be closing it.
I have nicely requested to keep it civil but it seems that no one cares. @MusicAlleyInc message me please when you think this thread can continue on the topic that has been created and I will reopen it.
Thanks for understanding
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