Here is Our new forum.
XDA, the moderators and the powers that be.... have been wrestling with trying to differentiate the Difference between the Code-writing Development and the Quasi-developers that use rom cooking tools or are just porting roms.
To that end we will be going through the development threads in the next couple of weeks and moving the appropriate threads that meet the original code requirement to be placed in this new forum.
Please bear in mind that this is a "Work in Progress" and will take a bit of time to hone and perfect what goes where.
Also, please understand that this does not mean that some developers are on some special pedestal. That is not the case.
I will use an analogy to explain:
A music composer writes an original piece of music. The music composition may be awesome... but his performance of it, may not.
Such often is the case in developers..... often someone comes up with a awesome idea or new code application, but it often ends up being perfected by the use of others putting their creative spin on it.
That is the beauty of The Android Platform and ....XDA provides a fertile field for all to share ideas and collectively improve our experience.
Additionally, we need to provide and track the proper credit to the original code writing Developer and better comply with the GPL requirements of Android......
I hope this clarifys the potential questions
Thanks from the Moderators
~~~ (oka1)~~~
I though this forum is for all the Samsung original/stock roms
TL;DR version.
Stuff you've made. Pure AOSP ROM's you've built from sauce. Or a AOKP ROM you've buildt.
"Cooked" ROMs, like taking a TouchWiz ROM and just adding some APKs etc is not original developement.
So does my Asylum ICS count as original? Since every version is built from source? And then modified to my liking?
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So does my Asylum ICS count as original? Since every version is built from source? And then modified to my liking?
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AFAIK, Asylum will be considered as a cooked ROM with AOKP/CM9 as the base
Saw this sometime back in HOX forums and liked the idea. Glad it's here in Note's forums too. If not anything, it will make the development forum a less pain to search, at least it was for me. Now I can look up to the original ROMs here, and their derivatives in the other section. Cool enough!
FIRRST!!!
Ah shoot!
Liking this idea, but it means an extra click for my daily routine, heh
This should be labelled "AOSP ROMs" and the other "TouchWizz ROMs" for better clarification.
Good to see a separate forum. Now it is well organized and less cluttered.
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AFAIK, Asylum will be considered as a cooked ROM with AOKP/CM9 as the base
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IMHO - any ROM or kernel built from source should be in original development.
I mean, with parth's logic, CM9 isn't original development as it uses AOSP as base...
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IMHO - any ROM or kernel built from source should be in original development.
I mean, with parth's logic, CM9 isn't original development as it uses AOSP as base...
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^lol good point there :good:
Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs. This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs.
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Use your hands.
This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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This is how it should be. If you want only COOKED ROM THREADS go to the old Development Section.
This Forum is a very good idea as I know exactly where I will be heading now.
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Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs. This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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+1 here, i think the developers and "porters" deserves the same credit, Developers for Develop new features and Porters to make speddy ROMs.
with this, new members can be confused (thinking that many do not read the rules and announcements)
Just my opinion...But the moderators has the decision
Cya
How do we request certain threads to be moved from Android Dev -> Original Android Dev and vice-versa? The few that have been put here appear to be a bit random...
eg. If GL_NOTECORE kernel is considered "original" dev, then why isn't the Goku kernel also here? Both of those are based off Speedmod K3-3 after all...
It is what it is. Let the mods do the job. I never lose my threads simply because I subscribe them under my favorite folders. Quite a smooth transition. I was not even aware some of the threads are moved here Now I know why there is separation in GT-I9100 sections.
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with this, new members can be confused (thinking that many do not read the rules and announcements)
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New members get confused because they do not read. The number of subforums (5 or 6) won't add much of confusion.
I'm happy with this new structure. I got a little bit tired from too many innovative ROMs with tweaks, themes, addons and - my favorite - boot animations. Even Kernels start to spread (like clones of hardore's SpeedMod).
Now I start every morning with the OAD forum looking for real changes.
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Use your hands.
This is how it should be. If you want only COOKED ROM THREADS go to the old Development Section.
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Couldn't agree more.
aussiebum said:
How do we request certain threads to be moved from Android Dev -> Original Android Dev and vice-versa? The few that have been put here appear to be a bit random...
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If you know what you do, you can report them.
eg. If GL_NOTECORE kernel is considered "original" dev, then why isn't the Goku kernel also here? Both of those are based off Speedmod K3-3 after all...
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Not really, GL_NOTECORE is based on Samsung source (with inspirations from hardcore and others), while Goku kernel is based specifically on SpeedMod kernel :
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Introducing my custom built kernel for ICS Touchwiz ROMsFeatures:
- Built from HK ICS Opensource 1 (July 7th release)
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funky81 presents Goku Kernel, a kernel based on hardcore masterpiece, SpeedMod Kernel OCS K3-3
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Actually, both my own and Funky81's kernel (Goku) are both built from source with original development.
We are simply applying a patch that hardcore made for the original code source release which address some issues that we would have had to address anyway. there is no point in re-inventing the wheel. In my latest releases built from the newer source I am not even applying hardcores patch, just grabbing a few alterations that were made so the code compiles properly.
In fact, both of our kernels are vastly different from Hardcore's in respect to what we are trying to achieve with them. I am going for all out speed, and had to devise my own code (and follow the horrendously awful Exynos4 for developers manual from Samsung) to inject the correct overclocking PLL and register values into the code. This is not something that Hardcore, or anyone else apart from Thor (for cm9) has done with the kernel.
funky has made lots of alterations too, so neither of our kernels can really be called "speedmod clones" and to do so, without reading at the very least the OP of each thread and understanding what is being said, is a little disrespectful.
To follow another analogy along the lines of oka1's from the OP
If speedmod is building the basic car, Funky81 and myself are designing the turbo, exhaust system, air intake and tuning the ECU and packaging it all together. Both are as important as each other and both are original.
Thanks for your explainations. (out of thx for today)
Related
The purpose of this forum is for XDA members to post any ROMs they make, which are derived from existing Galaxy S II ROMs (within the scope of the rules). We listened to your feedback, in wanting to separate ROMs from derivative ROMs to avoid confusion and to protect the original creators (the chefs) of such ROMs, and to make it easier to find major developments.
This forum is for ROMs that aren't an original creation by you in terms of the underlying software, meaning, they've been either 1. developed with assistance from a kitchen or are 2. a re-skinning/re-themeing/minor adjustment of a particular ROM developed by someone else.
We welcome your derviative ROMs, as they give even more choice to XDA users. When you post in this forum, we ask that you be respectful of the original creator by following rule 12, particularly:
1. Linking back to the source ROM
2. Mention the creator of the ROM upon which your deriviative ROM is based.
Thank you for your cooperation
P.S. This is a bit of an experiment. Should it make sense, we'll roll it out to other forums on XDA.
Well, finally you can seperate the men from the boys... !! Nice thought..!!
Good idea, but how do I get to this ROM from the XDA app?
thanks
DT
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Good idea, but how do I get to this ROM from the XDA app?
thanks
DT
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+1 i not can see in xda premium app
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+1 i not can see in xda premium app
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Go to the Stickies tab.
Edit: It's in the Topics tab now.
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Well, finally you can seperate the men from the boys... !! Nice thought..!!
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i dont know about that.
Personally I think this Derivative Rom subsection is a bit ridiculous. How does Litening Rom end up in that section. It was one of the first Rom's created for the SGS2 and sure it's a derivative of the original firmware but whose isn't. If that's the case why isn't Pusler_G2 Rom in there as well. With that line of thinking all Rom's should be placed in the derivative section except CM7, oh wait, but his is a derivative of AOSP. I think XDA's arbitrary judgement on what is a derivative or not needs some further consideration. IMO all your going to do is piss off developers with this new sub-section.
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Personally I think this Derivative Rom subsection is a bit ridiculous. How does Litening Rom end up in that section. It was one of the first Rom's created for the SGS2 and sure it's a derivative of the original firmware but whose isn't. If that's the case why isn't Pusler_G2 Rom in there as well. With that line of thinking all Rom's should be placed in the derivative section except CM7, oh wait, but his is a derivative of AOSP. I think XDA's arbitrary judgement on what is a derivative or not needs some further consideration. IMO all your going to do is piss off developers with this new sub-section.
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+1.....
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jlevy73 said:
Personally I think this Derivative Rom subsection is a bit ridiculous. How does Litening Rom end up in that section. It was one of the first Rom's created for the SGS2 and sure it's a derivative of the original firmware but whose isn't. If that's the case why isn't Pusler_G2 Rom in there as well. With that line of thinking all Rom's should be placed in the derivative section except CM7, oh wait, but his is a derivative of AOSP. I think XDA's arbitrary judgement on what is a derivative or not needs some further consideration. IMO all your going to do is piss off developers with this new sub-section.
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+1. Not a good idea. We need to be VERY clear on the rules here.. Right now, they don't seem to be clear, and or are not being applied correctly.
Anyone knows where Litening ROM is based from? Ive read the OP and saw litening is included. Im just curious
I like the idea of tidying up the fourm there alot of threads and alot of ROMS coming out.
I think that you would need to make clear rule on which section a new or current ROM should be in.
The main example which seems to be going on is between VillanROM and LightngPRO. They did appear near the same time, we know that Villian came first but they are each the individuals work are they not?
In creating the seperation you might end up giving the impression that one ROM is better than another.
Could you not make splits like Samsung ROMS/ASOP/Kernels?
Themes already have their own section.
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Personally I think this Derivative Rom subsection is a bit ridiculous. How does Litening Rom end up in that section. It was one of the first Rom's created for the SGS2 and sure it's a derivative of the original firmware but whose isn't. If that's the case why isn't Pusler_G2 Rom in there as well. With that line of thinking all Rom's should be placed in the derivative section except CM7, oh wait, but his is a derivative of AOSP. I think XDA's arbitrary judgement on what is a derivative or not needs some further consideration. IMO all your going to do is piss off developers with this new sub-section.
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Correct!
xda team must reconsider.
These are not serious stuff...
All custom roms are derrivatives of original firmwares.
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All custom roms are derrivatives of original firmwares.
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They are meaning that if it is a derrivative of another members ROM, not if it is made from the stock ROM, it is obvious that they have to be derrived from somewhere. and silly to say that all ROMs should be in here because they come from stock.
from what i can tell the section is trying to protect the work of ROM makers, by highlight the original work and moving works based on a ROM to this section.
Say if i took Villian ROM, adviced people to use Jame Bonds Kernel not CF. Themed it and removed some app. i have made a release but it is not my work the base was villian, so it was derived from that. hence it would go in this section.
EDIT: But i still think the hard part of a section like this is telling what the ROM was derived from. Who is going to do the checking
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Could you not make splits like Samsung ROMS/ASOP/Kernels?
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10 Char...
Crucio_ said:
They are meaning that if it is a derrivative of another members ROM, not if it is made from the stock ROM, it is obvious that they have to be derrived from somewhere. and silly to say that all ROMs should be in here because they come from stock.
from what i can tell the section is trying to protect the work of ROM makers, by highlight the original work and moving works based on a ROM to this section.
Say if i took Villian ROM, adviced people to use Jame Bonds Kernel not CF. Themed it and removed some app. i have made a release but it is not my work the base was villian, so it was derived from that. hence it would go in this section.
EDIT: But i still think the hard part of a section like this is telling what the ROM was derived from. Who is going to do the checking
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Exactly my point mate!
That's why it is pointless...
I'd like to point out that my rom is not derived at all, i even explained in my OP what was my IDEA and how i was able to get somethings new compared to other custom ROM.
It is the first rom based on XXKG1 release with HW accelerated browser, and it's my own experiment to built an Hybrid ROM (deodexed/odexed). In addition i am using a new kernel developed by angelom in italy!
I did everythings starting from the official (samfirmware) release XXKG1. I didn't use kitchen for theming i have done it by myself, if you don't believe me you can double check it in my Italian Blog that i realized video tutorials on how to theme for LG Dual!
That said, of course each developer use some cool stuff or mod that have been shared here, otherwise what's the point to have a developers community???
Even if there is some mod ready to be included inside a ROM, i always prefer to decompile things do a reverse engineering on smali code and remake mods by me in order to assure that stuff won't break things in my ROM (i.e. FC)
Sorry, but i like to be fair and i wanted to write it down!
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I'd like to point out that my rom is not derived at all, i even explained in my OP what was my IDEA and how i was able to get somethings new compared to other custom ROM.
It is the first rom based on XXKG1 release with HW accelerated browser, and it's my own experiment to built an Hybrid ROM (deodexed/odexed). In addition i am using a new kernel developed by angelom in italy!
I did everythings starting from the official (samfirmware) release XXKG1. I didn't use kitchen for theming i have done it by myself, if you don't believe me you can double check it in my Italian Blog that i realized video tutorials on how to theme for LG Dual!
That said, of course each developer use some cool stuff or mod that have been shared here, otherwise what's the point to have a developers community???
Even if there is some mod ready to be included inside a ROM, i always prefer to decompile things do a reverse engineering on smali code and remake mods by me in order to assure that stuff won't break things in my ROM (i.e. FC)
Sorry, but i like to be fair and i wanted to write it down!
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You are absolutely right, there are many dev who have done extraordinary things with their roms and put a lot of hours on their rom making. the only thing that has happened now is that you must go to two different places to look up different rom.
Agree. The Development forum is too big and confusing. It better be split in to:-
1) Samsung-StockROM-Mods (Insanity, VillainROM etc)
2) AOSP/Cyanogen-Based (MIUI, CM7 etc..)
3) Kernels
The so called derivatives/themer's ROMs should ideally be pushed to a sub-forum under Themes.
I don't like this idea. Somebody is bumping up his/her ego for nothing.
Mods/admins are creating illusion for first class and second class roms.
Just my two euros.
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Agree. The Development forum is too big and confusing. It better be split in to:-
1) Samsung-StockROM-Mods (Insanity, VillainROM etc)
2) AOSP/Cyanogen-Based (MIUI, CM7 etc..)
3) Kernels
The so called derivatives/themer's ROMs should ideally be pushed to a sub-forum under Themes.
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i like your idea, just gonna modify to my tastes
1) Roms (subforum)
2) Kernels (subforum)
3) Other Dev stuff (WIP, Guides etc) (this is main forum)
this way there can be no bias towards anything or anyone. It makes it easier to find either the deisred rom and/or kernel
Hey everyone,
We've made a small change to this forum by giving it a different name. This is now the *default* Android development forum for Galaxy S II. Any works that are completely original will be filed in the Original Android Development forum. Everything else will go here.
We have a more long-term solution to the ROM situation in the works. It'll be a database-driven ROM upload tool that will make it super easy for users to find and rate the ROMs that you upload. You'll be hearing more about this in the coming months.
For now, please continue to provide feedback. Thank you for your help in making XDA a more organized place.
Thanks!
P.S. If you think your ROM should be placed in the Original Android Development forum, send me a PM.
Edit from noppy22: this thread is no longer relevant so I unstuck it...
Sveitus,
I am dissapointed that the original explainatory thread was closed without reason after it was collecting opposing comments. Not cool.
I believe what you've posted (not done, I am confident that this was done with some consultation, somewhere) should be discussed in a wider context.
To that end, I've opened a thread in the XDA general forum with an admittedly emotive title "First and Second Class ROMS, 1st, 2nd class users". Please track this thread, assuming it's not lost amidst the noise.
I would have posted my concerns in the original notification thread except...
What gives?
Just imagine someone from sensation comes here and sees two development threads...
Sensation owners must be jealous by now..
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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I 100% support this view...
If this is the case, then no custom roms should be in "original" section, as they are all derived from the stock manufacturer's roms.
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But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
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The other thread was closed because it was a discussion on the Derived ROMs Forum format, which as you state wasn't what we hoped it would be. So, changed the forum format. The old discussion was closed and a new one started to discuss this iteration. The thread was also started and stuck by svetius.
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I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
Clearer..
<sarcasm>
This titling does make it clearer..
Example:
Original Development: CM7
It's built from the ground up with a myriad of coded additions to be a truly 'Original' product.
Development: Everything else
All other ROMS are stock deodexed upgrades.
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Don't like this idea...
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
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Closed or deleted - did not see it but no big difference anyway.
And there is nothing obvious neither about the closing nor the separation.
If you like to install a new tool do so. Build it, introduce it. Till then leave things as they were, stop separation and maybe excuse for the mess you produced by an unbiased decision... My 5 ct
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I really don't understand what an "original ROM" is. Google wrote the only original Android ROM imho.
here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
Simple Result:
As far as I see; Some devs are out of business and as far as I feel, more to be...
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here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
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Uhm actually the fact that thread was buried a few pages until yesterday meant svetius may have missed it. Moved it across.
That's grand, we don't have derivated roms anymore, we have originals and others (stolen, fakes, not so cool). I like the way mods are listening...
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I must admit, the way the mods have chosen to separate the two development sections doesn't sit well with me at all. The criteria for which section a ROM goes in to is very subjective and open to various interpretations, all of which are prone to the moderator's possible bias.
Strictly speaking, only one or two ROMs are 'original development' and belong in that section. All the others are derivatives in some way or another.
A better way to clean up the dev forum would be to have a couple of sub-sections; perhaps one for all ROMs (regardless of source), one for kernels and related modifications and another for android-specific modifications. Then, be strict about enforcing the sub-section criteria. Also, ask ROM chefs to state in their OP whether the ROM is based on another ROM and to credit the original developer/chef.
Everything else goes in Themes & Apps.
Also, having a mandatory format for thread titles (a la the HD2 forum) is an excellent way to keep things tidy and ensure that people know when a new release has been posted and what the releases are based upon. It worked over in HD2 rather well I thought. After coming from an HD2 to the S2, I thought that the S2 forums were a little untidy to say the least.
Ok, serious mode off, back to my usual sarcastic self.
OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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No harm in disagreeing! If enough people disagree, the mods may relent on this decision.
*Note: taken from related XDA sections.
These forums are about to explode with development now that we have S-Off/Root, so I figured we now need one of these. So from this day forward, ALL releases, whether they are mods, ROMs, Apps, WIPs, etc. MUST have their thread titles named as such:
IF YOU ARE RELEASING A ROM YOUR THREAD TITLE SHOULD BE AS FOLLOWS:
[ROM][DATE] <NAME OF ROM> [Version][KERNEL]
•[ROM] of course meaning that your release is a ROM
• The [DATE] must be in the [Month.Day.Year] form. Example: [FEB.5.11]
• The <NAME OF ROM> is of course whatever your ROM is called. BE SPECIFIC.
• [Version] OF ANDROID.
•The [KERNEL] tag is of course what Kernel your ROM uses. BE SPECIFIC.
An example title is as follows:
[ROM][07.29.2011]BertStare v2.2 *Sense 3.0* | Working Camera! [2.3.3] [Kernel 2.6.35.10]
Good idea, but are you a mod to make this a rule?
It's not in your place to make this sort of rule. A mod needs to post this and stick it himself.
I agree! It's so hard to go through the development section as it is even now and tons haven't really started yet. This should be a rule for everything (obviously modified titles depending on the project) but there are a lot of forums without a lot of information in the title
What the.....
This is funny. Welcome to Russia where rom makes you. LOL
Just trying to help my friends.
Read my other thread as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16132451
arozer said:
Just trying to help my friends.
Read my other thread as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16132451
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That thread is quite useful for the quick scan through that I did. I think the only problem with this thread is the "MANDATORY GUIDE" part. If it was a suggestion there would not be any problem with it.
animal7296 said:
That thread is quite useful for the quick scan through that I did. I think the only problem with this is the "MANDATORY" part. If it was a suggestion there would not be any problem with it.
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Well every section has one, and it's titled: [MANDATORY].
I know I don't have any actual "authority" here but hey.. if I"m able to help, I don't see a reason for Mods to have any problem with it.
In fact, they might sticky it when they see it. We'll just let them decide, to do as they wish. No worries.
No worries here. I dont cook roms anyway so it dont pertain to me. Just giving my opinion.
arozer said:
Well every section has one, and it's titled: [MANDATORY].
I know I don't have any actual "authority" here but hey.. if I"m able to help, I don't see a reason for Mods to have any problem with it.
In fact, they might sticky it when they see it. We'll just let them decide, to do as they wish. No worries.
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No, it's a problem when you tag it Mandatory when it's not. Stop playing a mod, let them do it.
My suggestion is as follows
[Rom,WIP,TUT,etc]/[State of the rom i.e. Daily, Beta, Alpha]/[Type of rom i.e. AOSP, Hybrid(sense+aosp), Sense, etc]/[Date] [Name] [Silly comment]
Example-
[ROM/Daily/Sense/7-30-11] Ava-FroyoV5 We use froyo still. yes.
Thats how i personally do it and i think it helps as many people new to roms look for those 3 things in particular.
plus i think it looks neater, and if every thread followed this outline in development, it would be a great place to be
Thanks for your suggestion. The mods will provide a naming convention in their own time, if they feel one is needed
I am a big advocate for this type of ROM segregation, so I hope the i717 gets one of these new "original Development" forums.
Story here:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
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The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
* Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
* Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
* Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
* Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
* A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
* A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)
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Well all you asking for is devs to debate what is original and what is not
I'd rather the Dev section broken into 3,mods roms kernals
I like the idea
Original biulds in one thread
Kangs/Mods in another
i like
it should sort things out nicer
and wouldnt be as cluttered
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Well all you asking for is devs to debate what is original and what is not
I'd rather the Dev section broken into 3,mods roms kernals
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Nobody is asking for a debate. The definitions are clear. If what you are publishing can be done by a user with root and USB debug access, it is not original. Period.
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Makes sense
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paleh0rse said:
I am a big advocate for this type of ROM segregation, so I hope the i717 gets one of these new "original Development" forums.
Story here:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
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What type of development do you do? Just curious.
andrawer said:
What type of development do you do? Just curious.
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I actually don't do any real development... yet. Why? What's up?
paleh0rse said:
I actually don't do any real development... yet. Why? What's up?
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I do like your work though, even if you don't call yourself a dev.
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I do like your work though, even if you don't call yourself a dev.
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I appreciate that, I really do! However, phMOD (the only thing I've ever really contributed) was simply an exercise in learning how to use winzip and a small script to create a flashable zip file of random apk's and lib files found elsewhere on XDA. There really wasn't any "development" involved, and the only real trick was finding versions of the apps and libs that actually work on our roms.
But again, thank you! I do really hope to do some genuine dev work someday!
paleh0rse said:
I appreciate that, I really do! However, phMOD (the only thing I've ever really contributed) was simply an exercise in learning how to use winzip and a small script to create a flashable zip file of random apk's and lib files found elsewhere on XDA. There really wasn't any "development" involved, and the only real trick was finding versions of the apps and libs that actually work on our roms.
But again, thank you! I do really hope to do some genuine dev work someday!
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Lol so modest
No matter what you say most regular phone users couldn't do that
Well looks like it is live now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1701
rajendra82 said:
Nobody is asking for a debate. The definitions are clear. If what you are publishing can be done by a user with root and USB debug access, it is not original. Period.
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Yeah ok, doesnt seem to be that easy as you put it, with the moderator's comment already: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1774759
taking weeks to pick out what what's easily considered original? ok u got it
besides the deodexed stock roms, I can think of onlyone rom that doesn't contain any original code whatsoever, so our own history with this problem hasn't been all that bad.
It'll sort itself out.
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Fingerprint sensor and laser auto focus , can you please add those?
Yes thats only stopping me from flashing roms
I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
aniket.lamba said:
The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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Nevermind,I updated the first post with the bug list so the users can take a look at the bugs in the original CM12.1 thread.
I agree to what @LiquidSolstice said.It's not a big deal to build a bunch of ROMs and post them over the development forum.Maintaining them are difficult. It would've been much better if you maintain a single ROM and work with it.Now you have like 3-4 WIP ROMs without proper testing and it seems like you doesn't own the device
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Sorry if I'm being a douchebag
I maintain all of my ROMs thoroughly.I still say,maintaining is NOT an issue for me.I give out the ROMs to the testers,they test the ROM and report me back with their issues/bugs (if any).I've been building ROMs since 5 months and I like sharing my work with all the people.Yeah,sure thing,anyone can take a look at the ROM building guides out there and make builds and post here,just like me.I've been working on other development projects too (other than building ROMs) but they're not ready yet.You see,interacting with other developers and tech people increases your morale and confidence to do pull yourself deep into the core of the stuff you're working on.For some other guys,I'm just a douchebag who got a good PC with some decent specs and builds all day.Yeah,hell yeah I'm a noob with little development skills,but I'm learning stuff day by day,incorporating and applying that knowledge into my development.I try to maintain all my projects so the users don't get disappointed.I don't have enough money to buy a server so I got a decent PC and start building on it.My only motive is to spread my projects all across the XDA,sharing stuff with people makes me happy.It's just a start,I'm reaching out to the most valuable and efficient developers here in XDA so that I can gain more knowledge.Ofcourse,I am not the greatest dev here but I want to become like one of them.Even though I might be the sh*ttiest maintainer in this whole XDA,but I try to maintain all of my ROMs so that the users don't get disappointed.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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I respect your opinion but I'd still consider it my way,expanding my base and providing more support of ROMs to the community.I just wanna make sure that nobody makes a buzz about me maintaining multiple ROMs while I build on my little machine.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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Sooo.. hold on... OP is a copycat and the HW features of the phone are not working ?
Thanks for being supportive to everyone who used my ROMs.Appreciate it!
Thread closed per OP request.